Agreed. The programme became way too self-referential. I think after Earthshock, the next story that doesn't have some reference to the show's past is Paradise Towers, 5 years later.
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Actually, make that after Black Orchid, rather than Earthshock. Black Orchid has the joke with the Doctor being compared to the Master.
aug 31, 2025, 3:52 pm • 1 0 • view
Frontios? Twin Dilemma?
aug 31, 2025, 3:55 pm • 2 0 • view
Frontios has conversations about the Time Lords. Twin Dilemma is about the Doctor's regeneration and one of the characters is a Time Lord who's an old friend of the Doctor - Azmael may not be a returning character, but is treated as though he is, if that makes sense. At this point in the series...
aug 31, 2025, 4:01 pm • 0 0 • view
And I don’t really think mentioning the Time Lords here matters anymore than it does in say Underworld.
aug 31, 2025, 4:21 pm • 1 0 • view
For me, it feels different because Underworld is in a run where the only returning villains in three series are the Master and the Sontarans. Frontios follows a two year run of Cybermen, Master, Mara, Black Guardian, Master again, Dalek, Cybermen again, Yeti, Silurians and Sea Devils...
aug 31, 2025, 4:35 pm • 0 0 • view
... It feels like everything has to be connected to the past.
aug 31, 2025, 4:36 pm • 0 0 • view
Sure but I don’t think a passing menton of the time lords is that big a deal. Similarly, The Awakening. Tinclavic is just a word, not a need to see The Visitation.
aug 31, 2025, 4:40 pm • 0 0 • view
You're probably right - this is after all entirely a personal reaction on my part. One of the problems for me is the Master popping up once or twice a year. After he's succeeded in killing the Doctor in Logopolis, how do you stop further appearances from feeling anti-climactic?
aug 31, 2025, 4:54 pm • 0 0 • view
To be fair, the 5 Doctors actually has something interesting for him to do - be sent to rescue the Doctor and react badly when the 3rd Doctor tells him to sod off. But stories like Timeflight and Mark of the Rani feel very much "The Master's doing this because he's the Master and it's what he does."
aug 31, 2025, 4:57 pm • 1 0 • view
That’s to do with the character not the programme.
aug 31, 2025, 4:19 pm • 0 0 • view
... it feels as though everything revolves around the show's mythology. Even stories that otherwise have no connection still have references dragged in that really serve no purpose.
aug 31, 2025, 4:03 pm • 0 0 • view
Twin Dilemma has the costume sequence with a Pertwee jacket. Good call on Frontios, though.
aug 31, 2025, 3:59 pm • 2 0 • view
There are a couple of conversations about how the Time Lords mustn't find out about the Doctor interfering. Also the story revolves around the Tardis being destroyed - so it still feels weighed down by the show's mythology.
aug 31, 2025, 4:05 pm • 2 0 • view