Again you’re trying to bake in the two party system. It’s not a two party system anymore. FPTP is broken. Trying to use the argument “vote labour or you’ll get Farage, labour are the best we’ve got” is an incredibly base level argument that loses immediately.

Present your solution then. Because as far as I'm aware, unless they changed it secretly, it's still fptp.

So? It’s not a two party system now. My solution is never vote labour. I’m not a politician, it’s not my job to come up with solutions. Instead, useless morons like McSweeney come up with solutions that amplify the reform message and lose labour votes.

I wasn't asking you to run the country. So not gonna vote at all then, that's your solution?! Or some third party that will GUARANTEE a Reform win. And they truly are facsist! They'll take us out of the ECHR - and then we're truly fucked.

Blue labour would love to take us out of the ECHR. In fact, it’s something I wouldn’t be surprised they try and push. Blue labour, which is labour at this point, have said on record they’d like to leave the ECHR. Labour are not different to the Tories. I’m not voting labour because I’m not a psycho

Can you provide me with a citation of Labour wanting to remove us from the ECHR please.

Maurice Glasman “Third, we must immediately leave the European Court of Human Rights and scrap the domestic Human Rights Act. The ability to deport a drug dealer must not depend on the quality of chicken nuggets in Albania.” That’s who Starmer/McSweeney listen to. That could be labour policy…

First, I should apologise to you. You're merely going with what you see as the rational choice, and my anger is not directed at you. A lot may change in the next few years, not pinning myself to a mast yet.

No need to apologise, I'm enjoying this discussion (and playing devil's advocate a little tbh) And you're right. A lot may change. They'e already proven they're capable of revising policy under pressure, and it's going to take more than a year to rectify 14 years of the fucking Tories.

Definitely - but aping Reform's racism and implementing extreme right wing policies is not the way to do that.

Nothing will change. Labour will revise nothing. As everyone has seen so far they are not up to the task and are capable of nothing. Accounts like this one are highly suspicious, “it’s only been one year!” They say… Sure. One year too many. Add this one to the “labour propaganda” list

At this point you're just spouting right-wing propaganda, and I've had enough. Goodbye.

All you’ve been regurgitating is labour propaganda, which is right wing propaganda. You’re spouting right wing nonsense.