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Paolo Sandro @paolosandro.bsky.social

which makes the fallacy even more fallacious, if possible

aug 26, 2025, 9:03 pm • 3 0

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Jacob Gifford Head @giffordhead.co.uk

The only sensible way to do it would be to replace it with something else. But that would require telling the courts how things are supposed to work which is basically the impossible legal question.

aug 26, 2025, 9:05 pm • 3 1 • view
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George Peretz KC @georgeperetzkc.bsky.social

The answer to the paradox is, I think, that the JPP/Policy Exchange idea of “common law rights” is “rights that Lord Denning would have recognised”: property; a particular conception of free speech; not an enormous amount else.

aug 27, 2025, 8:44 am • 4 0 • view
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Paolo Sandro @paolosandro.bsky.social

But then 'common law rights' are clearly not able to provide equivalent protection to ECHR ones; which confirms that the Policy Exchange project is a reactionary one, as they argue for the most significant curtailment of the the rights of all citizens in the UK ever happened

aug 27, 2025, 8:54 am • 9 1 • view
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George Peretz KC @georgeperetzkc.bsky.social

Well, quite.

aug 27, 2025, 9:20 am • 3 0 • view
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Paul M 🇮🇪🇨🇦🇫🇷🇵🇸🚲🐟 @onebiskuit.bsky.social

Certainly wouldn’t have included the Presumption Of Innocence, even if that inconveniences the police and security services.

Denning was one of many judges involved in what’s becoming known as the Birmingham Six case, in which six men were convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment for the deadly Birmingham pub bombings of 1974. Former Master of the Rolls Denning’s role came in 1980, with the still-incarcerated Birmingham Six’s civil claim against the police. Dismissing the case, he said: “Just consider the course of events if their action were to proceed to trial… If the six men failed it would mean that much time and money and worry would have been expended by many people to no good purpose. If they won, it would mean that the police were guilty of perjury; that they were guilty of violence and threats; that the confessions were involuntary and improperly admitted in evidence; and that the convictions were erroneous… That was such an appalling vista that every sensible person would say, ‘It cannot be right that these actions should go any further’.” The convictions were quashed in 1991. The men would later, in 2001, go on to receive approximately £1 million in compensation each.
aug 27, 2025, 9:58 am • 1 0 • view
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Ms Anfield Park @msanfieldpark.bsky.social

I always used the Harry Hook Barnsley case when training Councillors destined to sit on licensing & similar regulatory committees, not just because it usefully illustrated the importance of hearings being conducted fairly but also to show the doctrine of proportionality in action.

aug 27, 2025, 3:17 pm • 2 0 • view
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George Peretz KC @georgeperetzkc.bsky.social

Very good point. Thanks.

aug 27, 2025, 5:51 pm • 3 0 • view
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Aileen McHarg @aileenmcharg.bsky.social

Also, being common law, easier to override by statute.

aug 27, 2025, 9:04 am • 4 0 • view
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Jacob Gifford Head @giffordhead.co.uk

It would be a curious form of Originalism. Especially since there might be a lively debate of whether it is the Lord Denning of the the 60s, 70s or 80s which should be the baseline. (I'm hoping it wouldn't be the Denning of the 90s as his views hardened even further...)

aug 27, 2025, 10:34 am • 1 0 • view
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mwhoyle96.bsky.social @mwhoyle96.bsky.social

I’m afraid I think this is an enormous straw man. Insofar as there is a single “Policy Exchange position” on this, it is not that the common law would in any way substitute for what the HRA currently does.

aug 27, 2025, 11:20 am • 0 0 • view
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Paolo Sandro @paolosandro.bsky.social

I'm afraid that you are mistaken, and that's what Ekins & co (Foran, etc) have been saying for a while now. Thankfully the receipts are easily retrievable: unherd.com/newsroom/we-...

Quite apart from the 1998 Act, the ordinary law of the land — common law and statute — does most of the protecting of human rights. This was true in 1998 and is still true today. In relation to extra-judicial killing, the common law of murder forbids anyone, including police officers, from killing, save in self-defence or defence of others. Appendix 1 to the consultation reinforces the point, usefully noting some of the many statutes and common law rules that help protect the rights in question. Parliament would be entirely within its rights to conclude that the 23-year-old experiment that is the Human Rights Act has failed and to repeal it, without replacing it with some other, more palatable statutory bill of rights. Restoring the law as it stood until the 1998 Act came into force (which, incidentally, was in October 2000; the two years between enactment and commencement were not some kind of lawless free for all) would strip away an unconstitutional mode of rights protection. It would leave intact the main guarantee of our rights, which is the ordinary law of the land, upheld by independent courts and made and changed by government and Parliament. Amending, repealing or replacing the 1998 Act will not change the UK’s membership of the European Convention on Human Rights. The UK was a party to the Convention well before the Act came into force and would remain so if it were repealed. Membership of the Convention is no more necessary to protect rights than is the Act. In both cases, the question is whether the legal arrangement in question does more good than harm. In relation to the Convention, the position is not exactly stable, because the Strasbourg Court so often rewrites its terms.
aug 27, 2025, 3:14 pm • 1 0 • view
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Paolo Sandro @paolosandro.bsky.social

Well, in fairness to Michael, he's a bit more explicit about the reactionary nature of the project (for instance here: papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....)

aug 27, 2025, 3:16 pm • 0 0 • view
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George Peretz KC @georgeperetzkc.bsky.social

Well, quite. Some of the proponents of “common good constitutionalism” - certainly Vermeule - are happy to accept the correct label of “reactionary” though they tend not to volunteer it. “Obscurantist” and “pre-Enlightenment” will also do, though that tends not to be at the front of their argument.

aug 27, 2025, 5:58 pm • 1 0 • view
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George Peretz KC @georgeperetzkc.bsky.social

But essentially the idea is to dump any element of the common law (at least public law) that can’t be traced back to the scholastics. And certainly any element of common public law that recognises the courts’ role in protecting democratic values (about which they are at best ambivalent).

aug 27, 2025, 6:01 pm • 1 0 • view
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mwhoyle96.bsky.social @mwhoyle96.bsky.social

At its highest it would be that the principle of legality would act as a check on legislative control of rights. But the point of repeal would be to have a different, primary political, model of rights protection. I don’t think they are suggesting that wouldn’t make a difference.

aug 27, 2025, 11:24 am • 0 0 • view
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mwhoyle96.bsky.social @mwhoyle96.bsky.social

A related point is that the common law (in conjunction with other constitutional developments) had on the whole managed to secure a greater measure of rights and freedoms for the individual than was the case on the continent etc until the 19th (and possibly 20th) century.

aug 27, 2025, 11:29 am • 0 0 • view
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Paolo Sandro @paolosandro.bsky.social

That's a fairytale so thoroughly debunked by now that I'm not sure how can anyone still put it out there and expect to be taken seriously

aug 27, 2025, 3:22 pm • 0 0 • view
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mwhoyle96.bsky.social @mwhoyle96.bsky.social

But that was principally by subjecting the executive to the rule of law, imposing the ordinary law (and its specific claim rights) and judicial process upon it. Not by imposing general normative rights or by limiting legislative power.

aug 27, 2025, 11:29 am • 0 0 • view
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Adam Chapman @adamchapman.bsky.social

What little I know about Lord Denning suggests that - even more than Thatcher - your idea of the man and his work says more about you than him (and he was - as you note - mutable).

aug 27, 2025, 10:44 am • 1 0 • view
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Jacob Gifford Head @giffordhead.co.uk

That's an interesting point. Probably more so when it comes to Judges since there is often a split between their personal views, what they say in judgments & what they say in retirement.

aug 27, 2025, 12:59 pm • 0 0 • view
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Jacob Gifford Head @giffordhead.co.uk

Also, whilst Denning obviously did hear cases which affected civil liberties (& also some crime), I think these sorts of issues were perhaps less prominent in his judgments than they would be in a modern Master of the Rolls' cases.

aug 27, 2025, 1:02 pm • 0 0 • view
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kenfogg1971.bsky.social @kenfogg1971.bsky.social

Exactly. JPP are very keen on protecting rights of value to rich powerful white people. Other people, well, they’re not entitled to “rights” at all. A glance at the common law’s “protection” of trade union activity is most instructive

aug 28, 2025, 3:11 pm • 0 0 • view
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George Peretz KC @georgeperetzkc.bsky.social

Quite.

aug 28, 2025, 3:36 pm • 0 0 • view
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George Peretz KC @georgeperetzkc.bsky.social

Quite how you legislate to achieve that outcome is an interesting question that I hope will never need to be answered.

aug 27, 2025, 8:44 am • 3 0 • view