Then please enlighten me on what a better option than voting against Trump was Do you think I should have voted for Trump?
Then please enlighten me on what a better option than voting against Trump was Do you think I should have voted for Trump?
I think you should have joined a union. You should have joined a community aid group. You should have breathed teargas in protest of our criminal regime like I fucking did, starting in the Clinton administration. You should have paid attention before Trump was in the headlines, and maybe weπ§΅
I did pay attention before Trump, and I remember people were far more civil before Trump showed up. Maybe you should have fixed the government the day you were born since you think everybody has so much power.
Being 'civil' means nothing. Caring about 'civility' is supporting the status quo. I'm a white American. I've been yelled at and threatened with bodily harm by Black and Native activists, told to fuck off and die by trans activists (before I came out, obvs), and once upon a time even told I didn't
Yes, clearly being civil to you means nothing to you. You people have made up one strawman argument after another and then attacked me because of who you want to believe I am. It is interesting that you complain people have treated you badly and your answer is to treat others badly
Also, regarding civility as a principle of debate, I've been more civil to you in this discussion than I am with my partners, parents, siblings, and cousins when they talk bullshit to me. And vice versa. You wouldn't last five minutes in an academic session.
You didn't have to come in here and make excuses for what you did, to people who had a stronger moral compass than yours. You didn't have to insist that the genocidal fascist with a different mascot is so bad you have to blame foreigners and countryfolk who have principles for what he does.
Thing is, I treat people who aren't fascist scum really well. My family expect great things of me, my partners tell me I'm a hero, my coworkers believe I'm the solution to all problems, and randoms on the internet tell me I'm amazing. Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what makes you cheer
You have not seen what makes me cheer because you know nothing about me
Belong in a queer club. (That one was pretty confusing). Civility has never been a big part of activism. If you're sincere, what you do is take that criticism on board and act different in the future. Or acknowledge that you already know the score, and they have a legitimate grievance. Tbh,
You can hate me all you want but if you go back in my post history you will see. I probably defend you far more than you defend me I defend anybody that I feel is being unfairly attacked, because I believe that is wrong.
I believe that people have the right to exist and live their life in the way they want. You don't need to live your life my way anymore than I need to live my life your way. Clearly you don't believe that, You don't seem to believe that I have the right to see things differently,
You're defending a genocidal empire. You have no claim to live and let live. If your like would fuck off to treaty territory or Mars oe what-the-fuck-ever the rest of us could come to some accommodation. I already know some Klamath, learning a language is no great price for peace.
I don't give half a dram of stale rat piss about your post history. I'm responding to what you said here, in this thread, mostly to me. And I'm not defending you, where did you ever get that notion? You've declared your allegiance repeatedly, you're no friend or ally of mine.
do you want a sticker that says "GOOD ALLY" or whatever?
I don't hate you. I just think you're an ignorant moron and I want you to be better. But that requires you to self reflect, which I think you for whatever reason are incapable of because of ego or pride.
I self-reflect all the time, far more than average people. And throwing insults is a funny way to say you don't hate somebody
Did anyone here say they don't hate you? I'm gonna need a citation there. I mean, I don't really hate you, the most I can manage is vague despite, but you don't seem to know the difference.
Based on that first sentence? You're full of bullshit. I would know best as the resident cow here.
I personally have found that to defuse tense situations better than anything else. That's literally all anyone has asked of you: stop fucking defending it.
wouldn't be here now if you and your like had stepped up at literally any time.
Do I think you should habe voted for Trump? No. But it wouldn't matter if you did. You voted for the same policy decision they agree on, which is supporting fascist Israel. Call me crazy. But if you are supporting foreign fascism, is it really such a leap to assume they support domestic fascism?