They could just block those payment services from being used on their site until the situation is fixed. They are complicit in this behavior. The fact people are defending homophobes is genuinely disgusting.

Okay and say they do this - nearly every payment processor is involved in this to some degree. How are they gonna sell anything with no payment processors operating on their site?

Doesn't matter. You're still complicit if you're ok with censoring LGBT works. Quit. Defending. This.

So... you want the platforms to just die and leave NO WHERE for this stuff to be hosted then? Because that's the alternative.

It's literally NOT being hosted there because it's getting BANNED???????

Yeah. Because the alternative that itch had was shutting down entirely. At which point ALL indie creators are fucked over. And there would be ZERO chance of getting any of the LGBT+ content back online where it belongs. Steam's in the same boat. They are literally having a gun hold to their heads

They did not want this but made the only logical choice to STAY UP, which is important because all this can be UNDONE if they are still up, but if they die, it's fucked forever.

They could have went dark until the situation got fixed.

Tell that to every creator on itch then. Or every publisher on steam. And every customer that "oh sucks for you, you have NOTHING until the problem is resolved", while you sit here with ZERO idea of how long that could actually take.

you mean like the queer creators and audiences are having to deal with right now?

Quit defending their actions. You genuinely NEED to stop. This is NOT ok.

So you want all indie creators to be fucked out of a platform, period. You'd rather watch things burn entirely so that there's no hope of it being fixed. Good to know, you're an idiot.

Sorry that I refuse to be homophobic unlike you. Genuinely go fuck yourself man.

Homophobic? You really are an idiot. I AM BI. I AM NONBINARY. I AM AFFECTED BY THIS. But I can at least acknowledge that the alternative is Itch and Steam die forever and there is zero chance of any of the unjustly banned content being reinstated.

(Man is being used gender neutrally here. I am really pissed off at you, but I'd never misgender you. Just clarifying since that might be taken wrong.)

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They are, indeed, just following orders.

We all have choices and I'm only reacting to their choices. If you want to join the heralds of satanic panic 2.0 be my guest

Their choices are "kowtow" or "stop existing." Get angry at the correct people at least, you clown.

Would you rather they delist all games? Because that's the other option. No developer making money.

I just refuse to let them act as innocent. And will do continue to support creators find a middle men that at least has the gal to stand up to the creators they exist to support. Until then they are scum beneath my boots, and a parasite taking money from creators.

There is no middle man that can support these creators right now, not unless they own their own payment processing company.

And do you wish to just roll over and take it? I refuse to allow this be the deathnell. Artists and creators have always found away. People commissioning through PayPal found away and we will do it again. Only thing that lets it die is compliance without a fight

I get your anger but the alternative is quite literally eventual bankruptcy in this case. Would you rather see the one mostly open storefront out there die? You could yell at Steam instead for not picking a different payment processor; though I'm not sure even their hands are any less tied

Do you understand that they do not control the payment processor policies

Correct, but they have also been known to have handled this situation incredibly poorly. They asked for this, if they do not stand for us than I refuse to stand for them. Money talks and their wallets shall hurt for their choices

How did they "ask for this", what is the alternative choice you would like them to have made

not supporting the commenter you're replying to as such but I do think that if your plan was to make a website for queer art then step 0 is making a service provider guild with other companies that can apply pressure to the anti-queer payment processors giants. but it's obviously not that simple 😔

It has been stated they were aware of issues since April yet no preparations, no better communication was made. If you wish to defend that as professionalism in this sloppy half assed response be my guest, but we shall never see eye to eye

Okay, so you don't actually have an answer

That was an answer, considering better communication and complete disparagements of it could be made. Of you see that as no answer you are truly lost.

Jfc you're arguing that every dev should lose all revenue to make a grandstand that steam wasn't willing to make despite having far more money to swing about.

I mean yea that's group action innit. A lot easier to get people to fight back if everyone is impacted by the problem. Not that it would be easy, fun or necessarily a good option when it seems like a lot of people are fighting the good fight already thankfully

Tbf value's history is anything to go for if payment processors push to hard valve could pretty much make their own. I refuse to stand for those who support censorship plain and simple. I don't have the rights to stop people from making and playing games. And neither should they

I have no reason to stand on the side of oppression

Correct, so go call the people who are actually doing the oppression. The payment processing companies.

por que no los dos

Already has been done and I'm going to continue tomorrow. I will make my distain, and dissatisfactions well know and encourage other's to do the same. At least I'm not bootlickin

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Cool, go contact and complain to the payment processors who are forcing these changes.

I'm holding all parties with blame in this responsible. If you wish to support a company over the people it fucked over, be my guest.

Hard to call them an ally when they themselves have given no reason to assume we are even on the same side. Honestly a horrendously flawed rebuttal. Companies are never your friends.

Companies are never your friend, but I am not to treat Global Duopoly Mega corporation with the power to change the course of first world nations, and online store that lives off donations like they are in the same category.