Crazy how Chrome was known as slow and a memory hog, and how that's shifted to Firefox now. It was my favorite browser for a very long time, sucks to see it slowly becoming worse... www.theregister.com/2025/06/17/o...
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am I too weird if my reasons to stay on Firefox are its dev tools and the Sidebery extension? can't get myself used to Chromium dev tools, that UI feels so uncomfortable, and some inspect features are lacking
jun 18, 2025, 4:47 am • 2 0 • view
I'm on the same board and switched to Zen for privacy reasons, which is quite enjoyable. I have high hopes for Ladybird, but that will be at least another year before the first Alpha release.
jun 18, 2025, 10:17 am • 1 0 • view
I use Brave now, as it was made by the same people who originally made FireFox. I stopped FireFox completely a long time ago. It just ain't what it used to be.
jun 18, 2025, 2:53 am • 1 0 • view
Firefox will soon become the only browser that makes browsing bearable as it still supports uBlock Origin.
jun 17, 2025, 6:00 pm • 12 0 • view
i couldnt care less about the browser wars thats so last millennia brave works fine for me needs responsive enough doesnt interfere with any programs im running or make demands of me just displays the web pages i want to visit 99% of the time not perfect but good enough for my random casual needs
jun 18, 2025, 4:56 pm • 0 0 • view
Firefox's engine runs my latest CSS monstrosity super smoothly, whereas Blink struggles and WebKit can't.
jun 18, 2025, 6:18 am • 10 0 • view
Zero sources or credible accounts other than “users report” And as someone who used to work next to their office, I can tell you they do more with less than any engineering team I’ve met The real story is: our browsers have been balkanized by corporate and no one cares, devs blame open source
jun 17, 2025, 8:36 pm • 14 0 • view
Quite literally Google is Mozilla Firefox’s biggest donator They pay just enough to keep Firefox around so Google doesn’t get sued the same way the IE monopoly got Microsoft sued in 2001 Want a better browser? Legislate one into existence. This is a political challenge not engineering
jun 17, 2025, 8:46 pm • 6 0 • view
Yeah, but Mozilla also no longer uses much of that money to reinvest back into the browser. They do the bare minimum to keep it ticking at this point
jun 17, 2025, 10:26 pm • 1 0 • view
That’s also not true Mozilla spends over half of their total “revenue” on software development expenses alone, their expenses usually outshine total “revenue”, they have over 500 employees, flagpole for web standards for over 20 years It’s in the wiki even en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla...
jun 17, 2025, 11:06 pm • 4 0 • view
Could you share where you're getting those numbers from, because that's not what I've ever seen. I think their browser team has always punched above their weight and will never say a bad thing about them, but Mozilla as a company isn't any better than any other
jun 17, 2025, 11:23 pm • 1 0 • view
Sure! It’s a real quick google search They publish a financial audit every year www.mozilla.org/en-US/founda... Also there’s a difference between the Mozilla foundation (non-profit org) vs the even smaller Mozilla corporation But the numbers end up the same
jun 18, 2025, 12:05 am • 1 0 • view
Their biggest donator makes 17billion alone in YouTube add revenue every year and yet mozilla still out performs Firefox, thunderbird, tabbed browsing, synced tabs, privacy modes, abandoning flash, literally the rust language … These productivity metrics aren’t comparable
jun 17, 2025, 11:10 pm • 2 0 • view
I’m sure none of the “opinion” pieces have anything to do with the EU fining apple and google for anti-competition more than they spend on open source to exist www.reuters.com/technology/r... www.reuters.com/sustainabili...
jun 17, 2025, 11:17 pm • 1 0 • view
You had me until you suggested legislation as the path to a better browser. What, involve government, the opposite of efficient and free? The success of modern development is to create things that fly in the face of authoritarianism.
jun 18, 2025, 6:35 pm • 0 0 • view
Literally every part of the Internet stack was created or funded by a government body TCP/ip? Used to be called the DoD model. Http? CERN. TLS? Also gov started / funded Get over it Take your libertarian propaganda back to politics twitter
jun 18, 2025, 7:02 pm • 1 0 • view
Btw, what legislation caused the internet to be created? What legislation caused Chrome or Firefox to be created?
jun 18, 2025, 11:09 pm • 0 0 • view
Why would I choose inefficient and authoritarian models over more efficient decentralized services?
jun 18, 2025, 9:01 pm • 0 0 • view
That’s why I referred to modern development. Your argument about how things were past created, does not correspond to the logic of decentralized development. Your tone and attitude does not encourage civil discourse. Same with your assumptions that I am libertarian. Libs are still authoritarian.
jun 18, 2025, 9:00 pm • 0 0 • view
it sucks to see this. their dev tools are still my fav 😢
aug 9, 2025, 3:30 pm • 0 0 • view
What do you recommend as a good alternative?
jun 17, 2025, 5:27 pm • 0 0 • view
I'm not very exciting, I just use Chrome most of the time these days
jun 17, 2025, 10:20 pm • 1 0 • view
The one that not only tracks the sites you visit, but your time at them, your clicks, your scrolls, and even mouse movements and probably loads more. Great choice
jun 18, 2025, 6:26 am • 0 0 • view
Vivaldi is quite nice!
jun 18, 2025, 6:26 am • 2 0 • view
I’ll take a closer look at that. Thanks!
jun 18, 2025, 4:59 pm • 0 0 • view
The one caution: it lets you customize EVERYTHING, and took a fair bit of fiddling to get it dialed in the way I wanted it. Once I was setup, it was good, but SO MUCH trial and error!
jun 18, 2025, 5:44 pm • 0 0 • view
So I gathered from looking around, which is both awesome and a little intimidating at first. I think I’m gonna a give it a go anyway. 😊
jun 18, 2025, 6:15 pm • 0 0 • view
The issue is what do we use instead? Chrome? Hope you don't care about your privacy. Edge/Opera/Vivaldi? Chrome with extra steps. Safari? Only on Apple products. Arc? Murdered because of AI. Brave? Shitty CEO and crypto. Zen? Firefox with extra steps. 🤷
jun 17, 2025, 5:30 pm • 16 1 • view
You summed it up pretty well, to be honest 😆
jun 17, 2025, 10:21 pm • 2 0 • view
as anti-trump browser plugin developer, brave / libre-wolf user - exploring alternatives. hmmm, will checkout zen; cheers. #foss #nokings
jun 18, 2025, 4:51 pm • 1 0 • view
Brave CEO isn’t that bad and their use of crypto isn’t scam or damn ing
jun 17, 2025, 9:56 pm • 0 0 • view
Their BAT thing, to me, is such a middle finger to creators. "We'll block all ads, but if you opt in to our own injected ads instead of the ones that fund the websites you are visiting, we'll give you a small cut!"
jun 18, 2025, 11:46 am • 3 0 • view
I'm down for privacy, and the ad landscape on the web right now makes a lot of sites unusable, so I get blocking them, but screw that approach.
jun 18, 2025, 11:46 am • 3 0 • view
They don’t even tell the creators they’re doing it. If I’m a creator, who wants to get the money that brave collects, I need to opt into it. But brave will never tell me they’ve done it on my behalf.
jun 18, 2025, 1:17 pm • 2 0 • view
Yup, it's pretty scummy. The option should be to enable ads on a site-by-site basis, and it goes to the ads that site makes money directly from, and that's it. I get the browser needs to make money, but it's pretty ironic that the one known for privacy and ad blocking does it via ads...
jun 18, 2025, 1:20 pm • 3 0 • view
I literally have an Alfred snippet I use to respond to people when they email me asking how I feel about brave because this comes up so often. Just a laundry list of ways they are disgusting.
jun 18, 2025, 1:22 pm • 3 0 • view
It’s crypto, my guy. It’s inherently a scam. And using your money to fund anti-LGBTQ organizations makes you a shitty human.
jun 18, 2025, 6:56 am • 2 0 • view
He’s a homophobic piece of shit. Be serious.
jun 18, 2025, 6:27 am • 4 0 • view
Maybe LadyBird one day, but it's still far from being ready for the average user
jun 17, 2025, 5:46 pm • 4 0 • view
The ladybird founder is a sexist piece of shit
jun 18, 2025, 6:26 am • 3 0 • view
Yeah when I found that out I was super annoyed. Why do only assholes make browsers?
jun 18, 2025, 6:55 am • 4 0 • view
servo seems like it'll be good from what i can see? i dont think theres anything majorly wrong with it in that sorta vein? correct me if im wrong tho
aug 9, 2025, 3:14 pm • 0 0 • view
IIRC, DuckDuckGo's browser uses the pre-Chromium Microsoft Edge code, but I question their business practices since they want to monetize it sooner than getting a working ad blocker on it
jun 17, 2025, 6:53 pm • 1 0 • view
The enshitification of Firefox makes me sad, since I loved that browser for years, and it’s a struggle to find a good not chrome alternative.
jun 17, 2025, 5:39 pm • 3 0 • view
tbh this is just an extension of the various showstopper bugs throughout tech over the past few years, where the unsustainability of free software eventually leads to projects either withering away or getting flashy new vulnerabilities Firefox can never be good until we sort out that issue
jun 17, 2025, 8:20 pm • 1 0 • view
It's not slow for me. But I switched anyways after the recent privacy issues. Currently trying out Brave and Librewolf.
jun 17, 2025, 7:39 pm • 1 0 • view
For anyone who sees my comment, @keithamus.social , a Mozilla employee, has posted to ask for the community's feedback on which features need improving or what bugs are blocking us. It's worth submitting feedback or creating new Bugzilla tickets. bsky.app/profile/keit...
jun 18, 2025, 1:51 pm • 4 0 • view
I have to say - Firefox'es dev utilities: are much greater than ones from chromium based browsers; And their Engine is much less demanding on device resources; For that - their newest updates makes the personalisation much better (vertical tabs, tabs grouping, custom wallpaper on home-page).
jun 21, 2025, 7:10 pm • 0 0 • view
Rewrite to Rust (which meant, that devs had to check their code for browser entirely from scratch) made the software at 99,99% reliable, by that I had experienced a crash only because Microsoft's websites are trash. And for web-dev look I see no problems with any website.
jun 21, 2025, 7:16 pm • 2 0 • view
I do prefer Firefox, I don't trust Google. Been using an Android phone, since my iPhone broke, and it shows Google is an ads company and is hogging my data.
jun 17, 2025, 6:58 pm • 1 0 • view
Truly I still enjoy CSS Grid functionality in Dev Tools, even Mozilla’s rendering engines is highly effective and fast. I do also prefer Firefox network live analysis for web pages extremely helpful.
jun 17, 2025, 10:13 pm • 0 0 • view
Agreed, their grid visualizer is still the best, and their flexbox layout thing is amazing.
jun 17, 2025, 10:27 pm • 1 0 • view
FF the new IE 😅
jun 17, 2025, 5:20 pm • 1 0 • view
No, that's the role of Safari. If you don't support Firefox, unfortunately, few people will notice. But Safari has a lot of quirks and you HAVE to support it because other engines don't work on iOS/iPadOS (out of EU).
jun 17, 2025, 6:15 pm • 9 0 • view
Firefox the new Safari
jun 17, 2025, 6:54 pm • 3 0 • view
There is a difference between quirks and and support for a small percentage of users though. Just sad to see it go from a leader in pushing spec to falling behind.
jun 17, 2025, 9:47 pm • 1 0 • view