And we installed the Shah. And set up his secret police, Savak. Which was considered more brutal than the Gestapo.
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Whatever Big Oil in the UK and US did in 1953, The Islamic Republic occupied Persian Iran in 1979 and still does.
jun 25, 2025, 11:15 pm • 1 0 • view
The reason the Islamists came to power was a direct consequence of the USA and UK installing the Shah, a despot who used ruled the country with an iron fist and lived like a sun king. Context matters in cases like this.
jun 26, 2025, 12:00 am • 1 0 • view
Using Contra Factuals says you are predicating your argument on things that did not happen. Look at the history of the Moslems swallowing country after country. Do you think they would have hesitated to stage a coup against a democracy in Iran? At best, that's naive.
jun 26, 2025, 2:12 pm • 1 0 • view
I’m not getting into a discussion with anyone who either doesn’t know basic historical facts or picks selective aspects from the past that correspond with their particular prejudices. You totally ignore the violent history of every other (religious) empire that ever existed. I pass.
jun 26, 2025, 3:09 pm • 0 0 • view
You deny basic curren facts. What I do is view today from the viewpoint of today. Today Islam is the most violent religious empire in the world. The others like Russia, and China are political and ethnic. Iran is an Axis of Evil power today. Sorry you are so lost and confused.
jun 26, 2025, 11:15 pm • 0 0 • view
Abuse, and condescension are the tools of people with very fixed opinions. Putin is influenced by the Orthodox Church, the USA is ssteadiky becoming a theocracy, as are Turkey and India. This is my final message as I know I’m wasting my time.
jun 27, 2025, 2:18 am • 0 0 • view
You were both abusive and condescending from the outset of our interaction. BTW, Putin owns and operates the Orthodox church. Most of the priests are FSB agents. Putin finds the Orthodox Church useful as a tool of social control.
jun 27, 2025, 2:43 pm • 0 0 • view
I did. I can’t find anything abusive or condescending. If you can show anything I wrote that fits those descriptions put them in your reply. If you can show conclusively that I’ve been abusive and condescending I’ll apologise.
jun 27, 2025, 3:57 pm • 0 0 • view
Pointing out that context matters in a discussion is abusive?
jun 27, 2025, 3:30 pm • 0 0 • view
Go back and read yourself.
jun 27, 2025, 3:48 pm • 0 0 • view
Absolutely
jun 26, 2025, 12:07 am • 0 0 • view
💯 Savak were recruited by most disgusting ways, similar to ICE - unqualified thugs who were willing to be violent and carry out orders. My dad, an Iranian, said that once they tried to recruit him, and he was so embarrassed! Savak was trained by CIA! Shocking now some are considering his son!
jun 25, 2025, 3:06 pm • 3 0 • view
Whereas Vladimir Putin actually cares about the Iranian people and not the oil? Whereas China actually cares about the Iranian people and not the oil? If you're trying to make us feel bad about being Americans, you'll have to try harder than this.
jun 25, 2025, 5:22 pm • 0 0 • view
The Shah and his secret police brought the hard turn of the Ayatollah upon themselves.
jun 25, 2025, 5:55 pm • 0 0 • view
Yes !!! The same story repeated in the past. Guatemala in 1954, Chile 1973 and many counties in Africa. Every time a democratically elected government chooses to nationalize, the imperial forces -USA or else- topple that government. Iran’s theocratic regime is a product of the USA.
jun 25, 2025, 12:04 am • 3 1 • view
USA & UK both!
jun 25, 2025, 3:23 pm • 2 0 • view
France too :-(
jun 25, 2025, 5:44 pm • 2 0 • view
🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️😔
jun 25, 2025, 5:56 pm • 0 0 • view
I was at Clark AB to see the despotic Marco's regime, who was supported by the US, crumble with the People's Power Revolution.
jun 25, 2025, 3:54 pm • 1 0 • view
Yes !! Many examples like those. Globally, the USA commitment to democracy has always been symbolic and second (or third, fourth, etc) to the interest of the oligarchies and moguls in the oil, gun, mining, or what have you industries.
jun 25, 2025, 5:44 pm • 1 0 • view
I was stationed at s U.S. airbase that was training Iranians in 78, they were really great guys. Then the Revolution happened.
jun 25, 2025, 9:18 pm • 1 0 • view
The US has always been the largest terrorist organization in the world. The only reason we even have military bases is to protect big businesses that seek to profit in foreign countries, everything else they tell you is fodder. We've toppled democracies and installed dictators cuz they're for sale.
jun 25, 2025, 9:48 am • 2 0 • view
I knew it is about oil but I didn't know the timing
jun 25, 2025, 1:55 am • 2 0 • view
This snap from the 1960s shows glamorous locals kicking off their heels to do the Tehran twist to Iranian rock 'n' roll music of the day. (By NAOMI LEACH FOR MAILONLINE)
jun 25, 2025, 4:53 pm • 0 0 • view
But...was Savak more brutal than America's MAGA ICE Kidnappers?
jun 26, 2025, 2:39 am • 1 0 • view