I have been incredibly soft on your position. Can you supply a robust and coherent definition of the terms “male” and “female” that shows I am wrong?
I have been incredibly soft on your position. Can you supply a robust and coherent definition of the terms “male” and “female” that shows I am wrong?
Oh, is this your new thing? Yesterday, it was the "thought experiment" and now it's demanding a definition that isn't actually necessary under our position?
So if you believe science cannot say what male and female mean in a coherent way then have the honesty to put forward a positive position and say so.
Science absolutely can say what male and female are in a coherent way. We have absolutely put forward a positive position which you have repeatedly ignored. Not really my problem if you can't find it.
I have not seen that positive position. What does “female” mean? What do we mean when we say my parrot is female?
That it exhibits a set of characteristics that generally falls into the female category for whichever species of parrot it is.
Still waiting on stats by the way, coward.
I think it's a good day, Rob - FOR SCIENCE.
FOR SCIENCE!
No, you see, he's just very mad he gave a definition that undermines the very argument he's trying to make, and thinks he can try to twist it around.
I did not you clown. Nowhere in that paper do the authors defacing l describe sex as “bimodal”. The entire paper is about why only two discrete sexes evolved. Your position is moronic.
Of course they don't. Because they very specifically say they're using one specific definition for the purposes of their paper. Wait, did you not understand that when they said there are many definitions of sex they meant they were choosing one definition that doesn't include everyone?
They did not say that.
They explicitly did. In the definition. "The definitions of 'sex' and 'sexes' varies. Here we..." They literally say that the definitions vary and that in this specific paper they are choosing one of the variations. Are you unable to use reason and logical deduction to understand what that means?
They did not say they were choosing a definition that “did note include everyone”. That was in your head. Not in the paper.
Mischaracterizing what Julie said is not going to help you.
I directly quoted her.
Link the post.
Did you even realize that the authors discuss how in some cases people have both male and female gametes at the same time? You didn't, did you...
Sweetie, you're just entirely in over your head right now.
male adjective 1 a(1): of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to produce relatively small, usually motile gametes which fertilize the eggs of a female 1 a(2): having or producing only stamens or staminate flowers 1 b: having a gender identity that is the opposite of female
Which one are you adopting for what we mean when we say an animal has a sex?
They're all equally valid, coherent definitions.
So when I say my parrot is female which definition is being used here?
Any clues?
1 c: made up of usually adult members of the male sex : consisting of males 1 d: characteristic of boys, men, or the male sex : exhibiting maleness 1 e: designed for or typically used by boys or men 1 f: engaged in or exercised by boys or men
1 g: having a quality (such as vigor or boldness) sometimes associated with the male sex 2: masculine sense 3: designed with a projecting part for fitting into a corresponding female part
“Male.” Merriam-Webster.com Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/m.... Accessed 29 Aug. 2025.
Of note, "typically has the capacity" in 1 a(1), because sex cannot be defined exclusively by gamete production, and equally valid definition 1 b, only listed as "opposite of female" Unless, of course, Merriam-Webster is wrong.