The sad and fundamental truth is that neither the Obama administration nor the Clinton campaign took Russian electoral interference seriously, meaning that now, a decade on, Russia’s man keeps trying to prove that he’s not. www.nytimes.com/2025/07/31/u...
There's no likely about it it was
The Trump Administration is increasingly isolated with the rest of America. That includes many of his base. He’s incredibly unpopular. Democracy is fixing itself. @chriscillizza.bsky.social @chrislhayes.bsky.social
We all owe an apology to Mitt Romney when he said “Russia is the largest geopolitical threat to the world,” and he was told by Obama “that’s Cold War thinking.”
Asking for a friend, why is it all l here is what the Democrats did or didn’t do.This destruction of our country is Republicans doings. And the people that voted for them again. I hope they are all proud of themselves.
This fucking country has a memory of maybe 3 seconds . I recall them loudly talking about Russian meddling everywhere. Please read about the Magnitsky Act. It wasn’t electoral issues but the financial strain on Putin caused him to help get 🌮 politically relevant and elected (my theory).
They also wanted 1/2 of Ukraine at this time. The bottom half, off course.
I think you're right.
Wonder how things will be when putin dies
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Trump keeps claiming that he's not, but every day he shows us that he is 100% Putin's puppet
And he will make it easy for the Russians to do their dirty work.
Reminder: a “scandal” of that election was that Clinton was going to make a few donors ambassadors. Something Trump’s done every month since.
🚨The FBI pondered if Trump was a Manchurian Candidate, but were they aware of a Therapist fmr. Beauty Queen, who had access and skills to cultivate one. I cited the therapist to the Fed Gov in a 2013 fraud case for manipulating patients behavior.
No foreign country has ever interfered with American elections to the same extent as Israel.
Ummm, not quite true
Obama closed Russian offices across the US and deported Russians, and placed sanctions on the Russian government and individual Russians. The Trump campaign whispered to the Russians that they would undo them. I am unsure about the exact timeline; it may have been immediately after the election.
I believe the Democrats knew about it in 2016, but they were so sure that Clinton would win they decided not to make a fuss, and then fix it later.
Fantastical right-wing thinking dominates the political landscape, but that's in part because fantastical "centrist" thinking laid the groundwork. Also, corruption is a truly bipartisan phenomenon. (Left wing fantastical thinking doesn't survive the bipartisan corruption, for better or worse)
It was this guy that help lay the ground work for mainstreaming misinformation, disinformation, bullshit and Lies
You let them chip away until you suddenly end up with the statue only then wanted.
The fundamental truth is that Trump cheated in all three elections. Even worse, everybody is going along with every hideous thing he does. It's like all this horror isn't happening.
I expect you are right. But what’s the evidence?
There is none. But, based on the Russians in 2016 and all of his behavior, I am sure he did. Also, do you honestly think he won all 7 swing states just outside the hand recount margin????
Trump admitted election fraud by he and Musk. They belong in prison.
Musk has talked about it in more detail too.
It’s in the Epstein bank transfers. Follow the money.
And "hanging chads?" Provocation and permissiveness have had a well paved road to travel to their current place as "policy?" Pardon alliteration.
I agree about Obama but not so much about Clinton. The worst thing was Biden not taking the threat of tRUmpism as seriously as he should have and acting like it would all just go away.
That’s the democratic Achilles heel. It’s the moderate politeness. They dismiss the crazy&the emotional. They think they can play it cool by appealing 2 logic &facts. They don’t want 2 offend. Remember Biden didn’t want 2 go hard against Palin during the VP debates. However, it just gives crazy air.
The sad truth is that Hillary talked about it a lot, but people chose to trust the male candidate.
Maybe you should write a book about that.
Mueller, Comey, Jack Smith were craven institutionalists that refused to state things plainly and passed the buck knowing congress would do nothing Garland was a coward. These people are as responsible as anyone else.
All that sh** about Clinton and Obama framing Trump was a Russian hoax and Durham never disclosed it publicly. “ Mr. Durham concluded that the email from July 27, 2016, and a related one dated two days earlier were probably manufactured.” Gift: www.nytimes.com/2025/07/31/u...
Still wondering WHY…when most of US knew.
Um.... Hillary fucking talked about Russian interference for years. Go back and listen. She fucking warned everyone but no one listens to women.
I think he is referring to WHEN the admin knew that the Russians were hacking the election and that was well before they tried to tell people. They were afraid, themselves, that it would put a thumb on the scale but they should have done it anyway!
She out front called Stein, Trump, and Gabbard Russian assets.
Gabbard was DNC vice chair when the servers were hacked.
Mmmmmmm
Still an asset
I was suggesting she helped hack the severs
The kill chain is well documented. GRU indictment, was phishing
I do not think I knew that!
What?? I knew she said she was a ‘Dem’then. A Libertarisn guy I knew thought she was great. I just said NO
Have to wonder if Gabbard's involvement in the Epstein cover up is to stop the trail from leading back to her boss. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crim...
It’s the NYT. They’re delusional, their deepest concern is protecting their access, and they’re actively normalizing what’s very definitely NOT normal. Next week there will be a story about how we could maybe be approaching what might be a possible constitutional crisis.
The billionaires who own these companies.
“But I didn’t like Hillary because of her voice! She sounded like my teachers, who were always trying to tell me things. I hated that. I’m not in school anymore. I like Trump because he whines and complains and blames everybody else all the time, just like I do!”
“I hate learning. I know everything I need to know already and whatever else I need I can learn from Fox or the manosphere.” The same American men who can’t get women to date them.
Wasn't it Mitch McConnell who made a big deal out of acknowledging Russia's interference and telling Obama it would be election interference to reveal it to the American people??
Harry Reid was briefed by the NSC about the Russians hacking the election. When he told McConnell and Ryan, they were delighted that they were helping their side. And they call themselves patriots.😲
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Oh good. Let’s start applying the Hatch Act a d start with the Trump Administration.
When the irrefutable evidence is presented, will this country have the temerity to hang the orange fascist for treason? Some were dealt with for less...
This part about Obama & Clinton is maddeningly a lie. Obama, specifically, was blocked by McConnell from releasing a bipartisan statement in the summer of 2016 by McConnell saying he’d disavow it, call it a lie & election interfering. Clinton talked endlessly about it. What are you talking about?
My thoughts exactly!
Inaction and impossibility to get bothered was always obama's string side. And dems in general.
I guess the majority of large donors are from Eastern Europe technically correct
Thanks NYT, telling us this ten years later. At the time, headline every day about Hillary's emails.
Russia have been doing it since the 60s. Social media have helped them up their game and be more effective.
The only thing I associate John Durham w/ is making it acceptable for FBI special counsel Robert Hur to write yet another hit piece on Joe Biden. Thus paving the way for partisan hacks to degrade the revered & demanded professionalism of such a position. Prestige was once an asset attributed to USA
Indeed, prestige was once a USA asset, until the descendants of the German-American Bund and their fascist supporters took over the Republican party starting with the McCarthy era of the 1950s
mmm, I've got some reading to do! I was referencing the RNC/GOP kowtowing to a bunch of hayseed shitferbrains. Then the sons of Fred Koch's John Birch Society foment the same batch of mildly retarded Christians into a hate group called the QTea/GOP, Tea Party and MAGA
I could list about 50 highly recommended books: For starters if you haven't read them yet: 'America the Farewell Tour' & 'American Fascists' by Chris Hedges and 'Hitler's American Friends' by Bradley W. Hart. Many people you reference are low IQ fascists others are organized, dangerous and serious
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Hillary took it seriously but they missed Cambridge Analytica. #WhatHappened 📖
Of course. I know it sounded dystopian then, but it's our reality now.
Who cares? Don’t you guys have a headline about Biden being old or something?
It's time to recognize that the system isn't broken; it's working better than anyone anticipated. Oppressing an entire people for profit has been the goal and the mission of the colonial capitalist state from Day 1. Time for a mindful and humanistic #GSUSGLOBAL revolution. #GSUS ❤️🔥✊️❤️🔥
It stands to reason that many votes were manipulated through a psyop. If one nut job grabbed a gun to storm a pizza shop, based on lies, how many people didn't go so crazy, but did vote differently. Obviously, that's hard to answer, but how many different instances of such weaponized lies were there
Which then lends itself to reason that given the future opportunity to manipulate any other attack points of our elections, with expectations of getting away with it, they would
I believe Clinton took it seriously, Obama, maybe not.
Obama and Biden were running around frantically trying to protect things before they left. They were all on their own with a very short timeline. They did a good maybe even great job under formidable circumstances. We may never totally know all they did for us if we don’t get Orange Turd the f out.
Obama’s performance remains puzzling. He was warned as early as 2014 that Russia would hack the 2016 Election. This subject was much talked about before that election, and he didn’t seem to have a plan in place after the FBI told him the votes were hacked. @bsky.app @ericswalwell.bsky.social
I remember Obama made a statement just before the 2016 election to this effect. Nothing big was made of it. More was made of Comey's comment about Hillary's emails.
why do people get on the internet and write stuff like this that is easily disproven . . .
Obama wanted to warn about it publicly in a joint statement or appearance with GOP during the election season in 2016 but Mitch McConnell & Paul Ryan wouldn't allow it. Said they would publicly blame Obama for meddling in the election.
I just wrote the same thing as you. I saw it in "Agents of Chaos" by Alex Gibney.
Paul Ryan & McCarthy knew and played it down. The highway to Hades was paved by men like these
This is why we must oppose all Republicans wherever they are wherever they seek power and whatever our former relationships with them, they’re fucking fascist garbage deference to them only leads to more fascism
How do you know that?
That’s 100% true!!!
It would have changed nothing. Voters believe what they want to believe. And Faux News would have spun it to trump's advantage.
I hope Mitch finds the hell he said so many others 'deserved'
It’s the NYT. They’re delusional, their deepest concern is protecting their access, and they’re actively normalizing what’s very definitely NOT normal. Next week there will be a story about how we could maybe be approaching what might be a possible constitutional crisis.
He should have had the cohones to do so. He was always too timid.
I remember this.
And that stopped him ….
Nonsense. Obama had the bully pulpit, he could have commanded the time to speak to the American people all he wanted and McTrutle couldn't have done squat. Obama played nice when he should have played cutthroat.
What do you think Fox News would have made of that? Remember, whenever any public figure speaks, only some media outlets will put it out. You'll never see it on Fox, or if they can do it, they'll twist it to have the opposite effect. It's happening now before your very eyes...
I agree.
Do you think the election would have gone differently if Obama had done that?
I am referring to when he was in the office only. As a civilian je no longer has the bully pulpit. As a citizen je is free to say as much or as little as je sees fit. Je is not responsible for 2024. Biden is.
H not J. Need an edit button for old men.
I’m talking about 2016
Obama let the banks off the hook and that laid the groundwork for greater inequality and discontent. My only real criticism. Sorry, missed the timeframe.
No.
I think his approval rating would've been in the stratosphere if he had shown any ability to fight the banks and corporations. The fantasy that maga people entertain is that Drumpf is a sheep in wolves clothing, the flawed redeemer. The Dem fantasy is that we have some wolves to dress up as sheep. 🤷♂️
That is my one criticism is he had the banks nu the short hairs and let them off the hook. Look what Iceland did. Told banks take a hike and bailed out the people and jailed banksters.
Ok but we’re talking about his handling of the Russian interference
Could je have said more? Probably. Would it have made a difference? I doubt it.
They're the ones with enough hubris to believe they can attenuate the amount of Russian interference in just the right amount to get their way. The ones that are stupid enough to be more afraid of consumer protection bureaus than playing footsie with a lethal dictator. Deutsche Bank, for instance.
If I wind up pushing a shopping cart full of all my worldly possessions to my nook under a freeway overpass, this is what I'll be mumbling over and over. "He should've gone after the banks. He should've gone after the banks."
The consequences of inequality go back decades before Obama. Some bailouts paid off at least in financial terms. QE was a disaster that re-inflated the rich assets and shifted the financial burden of the GFC middle class.
Middle class Americans lost their homes and retirements. Many never recovered. Hence an angry electorate.
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Yes. No lies detected. I just single out that moment as the last best chance we had before the mess we're in now. Banking reform is necessary for the future of the human species. The longer we delay, the more we suffer, and the more likely that we won't recover in time to preserve our habitat.
Just remember that it was George W Bush who made the deals to bail out the banks and shoved it down Obama’s throat right before he headed out the door. I remember his press conference. He literally announced that there would be no discussion or questions asked about it— EVER. Absolutely shocking!!
I remember that. Democrats play by Republican rules, which Republicans ignore at their leisure.
I remember that. No one did more damage to American democracy prior to Trump than Mitch McConnell.
Do you mean Republicans
Both campaigns thought Trump was a joke,not a serious candidate👍
Remember 💭 Trump said, “Russia if your listening?”
It’s in part Mitch McConnell’s doing. During the election, Obama went to Mitch and asked him to join a statement about Russian interference, but he refused and threatening to make it political and saying was all lies.
How do you know that?
it was widely reported and in several books.
#pedopotus
how did America get duped so badly? a russia asset is running your country a russian is running your country
Thanks to all the people who “ just can’t vote for “ Senator, Secretary, Chancellor, Professor Clinton “ . You really did a bang up job.
Obama has always had a weak spot for Russia and Putin 👇 But many people choose not to admit it.
Uh huh ... But did President Obama suck putins dick as hard as drumpf does? - Like down on both knees leaning back full throat cock gobble?
Crimea was invaded, not 'annexed' Romney made little effort to aid the Obama administration after that fact. The reason a full-scale war with Russia did not happen is because Ukraine was not a member of NATO, which is why Putin continues to molest Ukraine
Hindsight is 20/20. Honestly, I'm not sure anyone else would have done differently. Americans brains are programmed to believe, "It can't happen here". Case in point, 9/11 terrorists flying planes into buildings. Hubris and a giant failure of imagination on full display.
1/ Timothy: you should know how and why DJTS has won twice: electoral fuckery via the dozen Russian hackers. The only difference between 2016 and last year is that, last year, the hackers had the help of Leon Skum's Starlink satellite. And, how can you claim that Obama and H. Clinton didn't take it
2/ seriously when they didn't know how deep the conspiracy went? What were they supposed to do? Clinton said that the Russians were helping DJTS. Confirmation of the cheating didn't come until after DJTS was inaugurated in 2017. Enough with your Siren Song of false equivalency; you should know
3/ much better than to write something like that. Have you forgotten what lengths Autocratic regimes like the Fascist GOP will go to "win" elections, in adherence to the 24th & final PoA, Principle of Authoritarianism, fraudulent elections?
??? www.congress.gov/118/meeting/...
bsky.app/profile/muel... ??? Much to sort out, for me....
Clinton's campaign BOOSTED Trump. She wanted an easy win and fucked us all.
The Russian dark art of manipulation is forcing the world to a "no future" and a gruesome presence. Why not launch a global information campagne about the good live, about human lives, about real safety, fearness and health. Make the lies visible !
But yet the spineless and useless Republicans continue to blame Hillary Clinton. Pathetic and deplorable Party.
Russian cultivated bothsideism was strong then and still is.
The sad and fundamental Truth is that Obama and Clinton were ready to make announcements about said interference over the summer and chose not to when Mitch McConnell said he wouldn't go along and would politicize it. You can't put that level of treason on Obama and Clinton.
If only we had just convicted Clinton...
Hmm maybe there was really a kabal, but not Democrats just rich ass morons influencing our governments around the globe???
Well said 👍🏾
Obama's most serious action was using the Red Phone, but he couldn’t fully comprehend Putin’s actions and motivation. PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, President Putin is less colorful, but typically the tone of our meetings are candid, blunt, businesslike --- and this one was no different.
We were completely naive to Russian influence techniques.
The loonie tunes keep on coming.As if Americans do the same thing in numerous nations.
There is no point in looking back, solves nothing. It’s time to look to the future and how to ensure that future elections give a result on what the majority of PEOPLE want.Change the electoral system and institutions from the inside.Look at how good democracies work. The American system is broken.
Furthermore, why didn't President Obama react with the EU to push back against Russia invading Crimea? This was a grave inaction that led to Russia invading Ukraine in 2022. Going forward, we cannot give Russia an inch because we see what happens. INVASION OF EUROPEAN COUNTRIES. 🌐☮️🇺🇦🤨
We have always been at war with Eastasia
As I recall, Obama tried to do a lot of things that Mitch McConnell blocked and subverted. It seems possible a lack of response to the Russian election interference might have been attributed to his efforts. He’s a thoroughbred quisling and a wanker.
“If the US has someone whom historians will look back on as the gravedigger of American democracy, it is Mitch McConnell.” —Historian Christopher Browning, a specialist in the areas of the Holocaust, Nazi Germany, and world war-era Europe.
Absolutely! moscow mitch is the lead traitor to America.
Quisling. 🍻 ... I swear I haven't heard or seen that in fucking years. Thanks for making me feel old, bitch. Hahaha
It’s a fitting word for our times. Why would it make you feel old, though?
Cos I am old. Goddamn egg & bacon on toast makes me feel old ...
Obama did try to warn of interference during the 2016 election. He was ignored.
Tulsi Gabbard was DNC vice chair when the servers were hacked. Just sayin…
So many failures. So many points at which this nightmare could have been stopped, if only the Dems in power had not blindly followed some ancient “rules” that stopped applying years ago. Same with Biden failing to insist Garland do his damn job.
It is a sad state of affairs for sure. If you can spare a few bucks for something positive consider helping my sweet friend Bernard with his recovery. www.gofundme.com/f/bernard-lo...
Democrats Are naive. A problem. Or an asset. The latter in the long run.
Whereas Republicans are stupid and degenerate
And cheaters
Hillary wasn’t the problem here.
The Dems are great on doing fucking nothing for the working class
McConnell refused to sign on to a joint statement about Russian interference. He allegedly threatened to frame any public warning as a partisan attack, which dissuaded the Obama administration from going further before the election. Obama imposed sanctions and expelled 35 Russian diplomats/response
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We need to focus our anger on Epstein and the tariffs. Nymphomania and taxes are the defining issues of our time.
I recall when Obama expelled all the Russian diplomats. During record triple digit heat, the Russian embassy in SF was burning documents in their fireplace. People were arrested. Sanctions were levied. Am I remembering this incorrectly?
Yes.
www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber...
www.npr.org/2016/12/29/5...
Elaborate
Nope. You are remembering it correctly and reminding us about it.
This. We didn't follow through. We played paddy cakes with Trump. We let him make it partisan instead of the threat to America is was and is.
For fucks sake, Hilary took it incredibly seriously.
That’s because R rightly wasn’t believed to be a physical or economic threat anymore, & no one even considered it a disinfo threat because we were completely naive abt Russian skill w influence techniques. As well, the 9-11 terrorism thing started (i believe a psy op) to shift focus off Russians.
What they would do to bring down our nation. Revenge for the cold war, the end of the ussr, and our meddling. The current dictator of their nation was kgb during the fall, so he's got a vested and personal interest.
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Russia couldn't afford him
Prior to trump, no American political party ever gathered the uninformed or ignorant people together and convinced them that Russia or any other country were their friends rather than being contenders or at best 'friendly' competitors, and therefore nobody needed to worry about their interference!
But trump has not only tried to convince them that Russia really 'loves' the USa, but that Russia can help us in our elections by telling us who is good and who is bad ... He literally asks them to find 'dirt' on his political enemies ... It's obvious, that he trusts/loves Russia more than the USA!
fear of not being bipartisan
It's impossible to not ascribe hubris of tragic proportion to both of them and their crews.
Well, well, well.
… maybe it’s just because I’m tired, and bitter about the destruction I see growing every day, but I’m pretty sick of your pontificating from your safe Canadian redoubt. Why don’t you let the cut under your nose heal? At this point your “wisdom” rings pretty fucking hollow. And I bought 6 books ..
What’s an unfundamental truth?
Yes, the Obama and Clinton administrations did take Russian electoral interference seriously, there's a plethora of Op-eds and articles written about Russia trolling. About 240 former CIA agents were all in agreement with that fundamental truth. It is mainstream media's failure to convey the threat
This is sadly and undoubtedly true.
Obama has ALWAYS been weak on Putin. www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Pv...
seriously? blaming Democrats? were people calling for an investigation
And then the Biden admin did not take seriously the ongoing existential threat of Trump’s fascism to American democracy despite the fact that few threats to America have ever been more obvious..
And then the Dems around Joe let him run for re-election until the whole planet could see he wasn't up to it... 2 years late
Have to wonder if Tulsi's involvement in the Epstein cover up is to stop the trail from leading back to her boss. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crim...
Nothing will harm Trump, not even the prove that he has raped a child. And Putin is safe in Russia. If anything, Tulsi tries to protect Trump.
damn james comey
Hindsight is more than 20-20
One thousand percent this.
Fuck yourselves trumpers.
The Russian interference comes a distant 2nd to the fact that too many people in the US are let's be honest dumb as a box of rocks when it's comes to certain things, it is not for nothing that the ignorant American meme was a worldwide meme before Trump. US has large population, that is factor.
Other countries with comparatively large pop have similar dynamics, the information age has not led common knowledge partly because influencers earn money from saying bullshit, see excerpts of Megyn Kelly podcast,I am certain she is smarter then that but the almighty dollar has a way dumbing people.
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I feel the #1 “enabler” that has allowed Trump to get relected, disrupt the world with tariffs, disrupt medicaid, “bodycount”apprehended immigrants legal or not, manipulate the markets, extort law firms & universities, sue networks, unreg EPA AND, wait for it….ATTEMPED A COUP; Merrick Garland.
Meanwhile... The Epstein FBI Files & videos (The ones we all saw being recovered by the FBI from Epstein's New York home. ... )
We were way too weak and Merrick Garland had absolutely no will or spine.
