"Nobody makes rock music anymore" because we have all agreed for some reason that when women make rock music it is pop music. We've already moved on to Nobody Makes Pop Music Anymore, keep up!
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*stares in Lzzy Hale*
jul 21, 2025, 5:20 pm • 0 0 • view
I really do lose patience for these sorts of arguments when, like, the entire world has irrevocably changed in ways that are enormous -- and probably good for humanity! -- and we're just pretending like this little scrap of archipelago is everything
jul 21, 2025, 3:32 pm • 22 0 • view
All of your kids have memorized every song to KPOP DEMON HUNTERS and that is on the *conservative* side of the pop landscape, you are probably further behind than your grandparents were when rock music happened
jul 21, 2025, 3:36 pm • 17 0 • view
(not politically conservative, obvs, just, like....normie)
jul 21, 2025, 3:36 pm • 10 0 • view
Aaanyway, if you're reading this far, I am writing about this a lot now! www.otherdavemoore.com/p/the-rise-o...
jul 21, 2025, 3:45 pm • 4 0 • view
Funny you should say this I was feeling all relevant because I recognized what the ppl at the coffee shop were talking about due to my kid’s obsession w K-pop demon hunters. Didn’t help we just went on a long car trip where that soundtrack was in heavier rotation than I, personally, would’ve chosen.
jul 21, 2025, 6:26 pm • 1 0 • view
Was surprised when my kid (who is 8 and loves KPDH) knew and loved this one www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgay...
jul 21, 2025, 6:44 pm • 1 0 • view
Plus, there's still plenty of active rock bands. It has just evolved a bit, with some pop influences, and more experimentation.
jul 21, 2025, 4:23 pm • 3 0 • view
I'm sure that previous genres have had a similar phase of shifting themselves as new styles emerged, then not so much dying as becoming consciously Heritage Music with even its younger performers being self-aware keepers of past legacies including/especially as newer styles absorb them
jul 21, 2025, 5:05 pm • 1 0 • view
yeah, I actually think this is kind of where what most people currently think of as "pop" is right now (that is, "a-pop"), which if my track record is any indication is an argument that will finally go semi-viral 10-15 years from now
jul 21, 2025, 5:07 pm • 1 0 • view
I can’t think of the last new sub genre of rock music… can anyone fill me in on a few new ones over last 10 years? I stopped listening to new “rock” after the indie wave of early 2000’s
jul 21, 2025, 7:54 pm • 2 0 • view
Windowpane, baby www.otherdavemoore.com/p/the-rise-o...
jul 21, 2025, 8:06 pm • 0 0 • view
Women or men, you hear a fair amount of rock on top 40 radio these days, just the very fact that it’s popular disqualifies it from being rock to a good % of millennials and Xers I think
jul 21, 2025, 6:20 pm • 1 0 • view
and of course guitar albums from other countries not the U.S. don't count
jul 21, 2025, 4:02 pm • 2 0 • view
Yeah honestly the most popular guitar music I listen to from the 2020s is European and Australian. Viagra Boys, IDLES, the Chats, Amyl and the Sniffers. There's just no rock songs in the US top 40s anymore.
jul 21, 2025, 5:31 pm • 2 0 • view
yeah, that observation is a bit of a trojan horse for me these days to say "aha don't you see" about getting people to read my a-pop stuff lol
jul 21, 2025, 4:03 pm • 2 0 • view
And its not even true on its face! Several times this year ive been in a sold out multi thousand cap venue where 20-somethings are playing rock music for other 20-somethings and teenagers. Some peoples' perception of culture is as shallow as the little condensation tray on my air conditioner
jul 21, 2025, 5:59 pm • 0 0 • view
Check out The Warning
jul 21, 2025, 4:30 pm • 2 0 • view
Stick with the music you like and avoid the music you don't like it's that simple
jul 21, 2025, 4:42 pm • 1 0 • view
When I think about women in rock music I immediately think of Blondie
jul 21, 2025, 4:31 pm • 0 0 • view
The Warning Plush As December Falls Spiritbox Make Then Suffer Here are some bands off the top of my pointy head that kick ass and have a female singer or is an all female band. There are a shit ton of bands out there that rock. Hard.
jul 21, 2025, 5:56 pm • 0 0 • view
A lot of this "where's all the rock music" discourse feels downstream from what's left of the monoculture being broken down into thousands of smaller slices and that change making older music fans feel irrelevant
jul 21, 2025, 4:07 pm • 5 0 • view
Olivia Rodrigo is a rockstar, but because she’s a cute girl she gets the pop star label
jul 22, 2025, 12:46 pm • 0 0 • view
What they probably mean is we’re not making Active Rock, a radio category, I think, besides like a few bands that never stopped doing that.
jul 21, 2025, 4:01 pm • 0 0 • view
One reason radio rock has been moribund for so long is because when women started making almost all of the good rock music, it just became "pop," reducing what would be played in the airplay category.
jul 21, 2025, 4:18 pm • 0 0 • view
Women could get to #1 on alt rock airplay around the Alanis Morissette boom (includes Hole and Garbage, and maybe Cranberries before that), and then again after Lorde breaks through in 2013. Both of these booms get integrated completely into the pop charts a few years later.
jul 21, 2025, 4:18 pm • 0 0 • view
Women were at least well represented as legitimate Rock at the height of things, but if you look now, that stuff isn’t given the same canonization. Heart, Hole, Pixies, Veruca Salt, Sleater-Kinney, etc., etc. were as interesting as everything else. Riot grrrl scene was big here (in Seattle).
jul 21, 2025, 4:23 pm • 1 0 • view
What I think is interesting is that there are times where this DOES tip over into legitimate radio channels, but these moments have historically been short-lived and the ensuing reaction has sort of razed the landscape: once in the 2000s (for the whole decade!) and again now
jul 21, 2025, 4:25 pm • 1 0 • view
I think what Rockists look for is a band. They think of Alanis and Taylor Hawkins and that’s built into a legacy they understand. When they think of Lorde etc. it doesn’t match what they expect and relate to their male-centric canon. I do prefer a band too re Rock music, but that’s preference.
jul 21, 2025, 4:26 pm • 1 0 • view
My line going way back was that single-name-performing-artist *is* usually a band (often a pretty consistent one) and is usually more about marketing than approach. (And by contrast men leading "bands" in name only.)
jul 21, 2025, 4:48 pm • 1 0 • view
Heck, even archetypal solo pop artists may be bandleaders of sorts, just most often a changing and/or electronic one (late-career Madonna the ur-example here, and Tom rightly likened her to James Brown in her highly conscious collaboration shifts)
jul 21, 2025, 4:56 pm • 1 0 • view
Which also isn’t true, it’s just that the radio has already locked in the old stuff, and so the person who wants it most doesn’t get to hear the new version they’re looking for, and think it’s still just the old stuff.
jul 21, 2025, 4:03 pm • 1 0 • view
Whereas other radio formats are adaptable and bring in the new stuff, nearly all Rock stations are now essentially Classic Rock.
jul 21, 2025, 4:08 pm • 1 0 • view
Now, this is a legitimate issue. The nostalgia-heads don't give the newer stuff a serious chance, which means new rock has to exist in the more broad stations. Since pop, country and hip hop are more popular over there, new-rock doesn't get as much exposure or prevalence like classic-rock gets.
jul 21, 2025, 4:31 pm • 2 0 • view
And that in turn creates incentives for young artists - let alone the labels that scout them - to go after these genres instead. Which often is more a matter of points of emphasis (and sometimes geography) than a sea change - arguably bro-country is the new Nickelback, for instance - but still...
jul 21, 2025, 4:53 pm • 1 0 • view
To me the most interesting development is in the indie/pop space where women doing what is basically just pop-oriented indie rock use their name, not a band name. There are almost no windowpane artists who go by a band name (men or women) www.otherdavemoore.com/p/the-rise-o...
jul 21, 2025, 5:01 pm • 0 0 • view
woops think I responded to the wrong thread, the perils of going semi-viral
jul 21, 2025, 5:03 pm • 1 0 • view
Now your posts are semi-pop too 😉
jul 21, 2025, 5:05 pm • 2 0 • view
the dream!
jul 21, 2025, 5:06 pm • 0 0 • view
Waxahachie, Big Thief go by band names, even though their pretty much one woman wrecking crews.
jul 21, 2025, 5:34 pm • 1 0 • view
This is one of the ways you can tell someone is making a play for old-school indie cred! And it's also not surprising to see the bands that make it in indie go solo soon after without breaking up the band. (This has always been somewhat true, but now it seems like solo act is the center of gravity.)
jul 21, 2025, 5:48 pm • 0 0 • view
They're...
jul 21, 2025, 5:35 pm • 0 0 • view
I imagine the people who sit around and say “they’re not making ______ music anymore” still listens to FM radio as their main source of entertainment. There are a fuckton of new musicians and bands out there to discover.
jul 21, 2025, 4:27 pm • 7 1 • view
King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard:
jul 21, 2025, 6:48 pm • 3 0 • view
They’ve been saying that for decades and they’ve been wrong all along
jul 21, 2025, 5:42 pm • 0 0 • view
Anyone who says "-insert genre- is dead" after the last couple decades of flourishing home recording and self distribution is just... not looking -every single genre- of music is more alive and diverse than it ever has been, and is more so every day
jul 21, 2025, 3:49 pm • 1 0 • view
That's a big part of the problem though, making people aware of new music in such a flooded ecosystem feels practically impossible, without preexisting celebrity status for it.
jul 21, 2025, 3:52 pm • 2 0 • view
I think the new landscape has ushered in a huge number of very concerning problems! But none of them have to do with what type of music is being made, it's a volume and attention and...I dunno, global/multicultural question
jul 21, 2025, 3:54 pm • 3 0 • view
So far the most important thing I've written about this -- which is a topic I've banged on about much longer, too, and applies to more than music -- is the MONSTERVERSE, which is just the reality of globally competitive cumulative advantage www.otherdavemoore.com/p/the-rise-o...
jul 21, 2025, 3:56 pm • 1 0 • view
All it takes is finding one artist and seeing who they associate with, or if they work with a promoter Social media changed the promo landscape just like streaming changed "TV", and there's always been an element of searching when you get into music beyond the household names
jul 21, 2025, 3:56 pm • 0 0 • view
tbh i think anyone who really wants what's new and being made with genuine heart should be willing to click around and try some unknowns, especially since your average musician is being fucked by the industry in some way or another Consuming art means supporting art, not waiting for it to be given
jul 21, 2025, 4:00 pm • 0 0 • view
I don't have trouble discovering rewarding music per se, because I tend to find almost anything I put on has some interesting aspect to it. It's just that applying discernment to the expanse to know what's worth seeking out is a perverse mission for the non-psychics among us.
jul 21, 2025, 4:05 pm • 2 0 • view
I do work really hard on archiving, promo, exploring things for my own knowledge. Tends to be older stuff since gig-going in Bristol isn't fun anymore (venue closures, few friends in the scene by now, fitting it around working late nights). Older stuff gives us a more established "why" to look into.
jul 21, 2025, 4:10 pm • 2 0 • view
60s-70s prog and folk that's borderline lost media is a small obsession and cursed me to digging through every single bin of vinyl i ever see lol
jul 21, 2025, 4:17 pm • 1 0 • view
I mean i do have some bias as someone who's dredged the internet since I was a kid and got friendly with some small labels I kinda think youtube (not the music app) is still the best for discovering randoms tbh Find an uploader or live channel like GemsOnVHS and you'll find tons
jul 21, 2025, 4:09 pm • 1 0 • view
My favourite YouTube rabbit hole is all the full-length-upload Memphis rap mixtapes, from when they were literally distributed on tape by the artist 😁
jul 21, 2025, 4:14 pm • 1 0 • view
(The above is a studio recording, but the artist is most famous for those earlier mixtape appearances. Things we probably wouldn't get to hear if we aren't local or collecting the genre, if not for YouTube.)
jul 21, 2025, 4:19 pm • 2 0 • view
oh hey i also have a favorite old rap tape lol youtu.be/Sq4V_kl8piY?...
jul 21, 2025, 4:19 pm • 2 0 • view
Much appreciated 🌻
jul 21, 2025, 4:21 pm • 1 0 • view
lol there are all sorts of people making great and innovative rock music
jul 21, 2025, 4:55 pm • 0 0 • view
People who believe that make me mad. I have a cure for their ignorance-> youtu.be/b_8U93SvVyY?...
jul 21, 2025, 4:24 pm • 0 0 • view
I've got one that's not from 18 years ago, even. www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtHB...
jul 21, 2025, 4:37 pm • 2 0 • view
I dig it 🤟 Did you just call me Old 🤣
jul 21, 2025, 4:59 pm • 0 0 • view
Pretty sure I qualify as well in that case.
jul 21, 2025, 5:00 pm • 1 0 • view
it's cool we're all old lol
jul 21, 2025, 5:02 pm • 2 0 • view
🤣👍
jul 21, 2025, 5:03 pm • 1 0 • view