[ @faolanwolf.bsky.social i don't think this should be not talked about!! serious exploitation groups are things that should be warned about. i just don't want to learn about it it in the format of someone doing hateful lolcowing about That Cringe Fatfur In UT, shit's a poisoned video. ]
Here I am, back to saying if you refuse to do ANY research into a situation then you should not discuss or discourage discussion on it. Because that's how you end up arguing that a group that pushed someone to attempt suicide twice, a group that has groomed children, shouldn't be warned about.
(Which to be clear. You did that. You argued it's rooted in bigotry to warn others about the dangers of a group that enabled and protected a man who tried to make BEASTIALITY CHILD PORN. You did that because you refused to do any research, and defended something you did not understand.)
Idc if the way you found out that the situation exists in the first place is because of a shitty video or the fruit site. Neither should be used as sources. But other sources are available with a simple google search. But you didn't want to do do that, and you send abhorrent things because of it.
[ i am sorry. callout and lolcow cultures have done irreparable damage to queer and kink and furry communities, and as a result i had an immediate feeling of repulsion the moment i first saw anything of this via a lolcow-type video about it. i should be more mindful of genuine victims. ]
[ i don't want to hear about people *as lolcows*. because lolcow culture is innately toxic, and i don't want to learn any toxic mindsets from that culture if i don't have to. ]
i'd be fine with a video about Samael's Child Grooming Ring, giving his history with undertale and fatfur stuff as simply context for who samael is... not so much okay with the video that *does* exist on the topic, this Cringe Undertale Fatfur Lolcow Is A Pedophile shit serving a side of hate. ]
[ ...all being said and done, i am not going to be in contact with samael at any point, so learning about such a drama would only serve as entertainment for me, like an hbomberguy video :p. and i'd watch that, sure! and care as a result. but, not my place so, yall help whatever victims there are ❤️ ]
[ sorry for upsetting you and making it come off like i don't care about predatory groups and want them to just be ignored. it's not that! it's just an intense aversion to lolcow culture, and a fear of that culture massively skewing facts, related or not, and pushing toxicity as a result. ]
[ @antithess.bsky.social @ing you too in case you weren't notified for the thread this far down. i get now that there's serious stuff! it was the lolcow lens i was presented the drama through that made me want it out of my sight ASAP, and that was disrespectful, i see that and i am sorry. ]
Thank you but like, you gotta understand that this situation is not unique: Toxic groups like kiwifarms like "making lolcows" out of people who are genuinely dangerous. Yes, obviously, the place should never be used as a source, and they do make shit up.
But someone (or in this case, a group) being targeted by those freaks is not in it of itself reason to disregard evidence and testimonies of abuse caused by them. That's why you really need to do basic research to see if non lolcow sources exist (in this case they do) and how good those sources are.
It can never be "oh some freaks declared this person to be a lolcow so everything serious and bad that I hear about them is made up."
[ this is just one of the cases where i didn't wanna have to look into it to begin with 😞 and i wish it didn't get to the point where i'm in a discussion about it. youtu.be/k1BneeJTDcU welcome to the internet i guess... ]
Like honestly! I get that! Totally understandable! It sucks to read and it sucks to learn about! It's a horrible situation that makes me want to puke!! I don't blame you! But if thats the case you shouldn't make assumptions about the situation and talk about it as if fact. Please be mindful of that.
[ not so much in that sense, more just, this doesn't involve me in any which way so why should i even be using my time hearing about and being involved in it @.@ i only have so much time in this life, i'd rather either enjoy it or learn things that can enable me to help others. and this isn't that ]
[ speak out to protect the victims, and speak out for change to combat child predation in our society. educate, liberate. push to teach youth about sex and boundaries, and to provide them with safe and controlled spaces for sexual exploration and socialization through their teens. ]