I admire your optimism, but why did the Democrats line up in favor of Eric Adams when he won the primary but now they have "concerns" about Mamdani? Not trying to be antagonistic but this is gnawing at me 😊
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This is Jamelle’s point, that’s not “the Democrats”, that’s a handful of high-profile members. The Party itself, the local & regional clubs, are endorsing Mamdani, and quite a lot of NYC members of the Dem Party were out pounding the pavement for him! A small set of loud assholes isn’t “The Party”
jul 8, 2025, 2:41 pm • 5 0 • view
Sadly, to most people, it is. If they have outsized influence, if they are the loudest voices, then they have the most pressure on them to do the right thing and endorse their nominee. At least to send a signal to national Democratic voters, if not to NYC voters specifically.
jul 8, 2025, 2:43 pm • 0 0 • view
Some of my in-laws are registered Dems in NYC, and thus are as much The Party™ as Hochul etc., despite being far less influential b/c they’re not famous electeds. There’s millions of folks like that in NYC. So why are we saying “the Party hates Mamdani” when the votes say otherwise?
jul 8, 2025, 2:44 pm • 0 0 • view
Because we are talking about the party establishment. Regular Democratic voters love Mamdani. The problem is that the interests of the establishment differ so much from the interests of their own voting base.
jul 8, 2025, 2:46 pm • 0 0 • view
That’s a problem, yes, and being clear-eyed about how said establishment (which is really only 1 faction of said establishment) is the only way we deal with them & reclaim elected positions from assholes like Cuomo & Trump. At the end of the day, you need actual votes from voters to win elections.
jul 8, 2025, 2:49 pm • 1 0 • view
It's not just one faction, it is the faction that is in control of the party.
jul 8, 2025, 2:50 pm • 0 0 • view
If they were in control, Mamdani would not have even been a candidate, much less the winner of the Dem primary in NYC.
jul 8, 2025, 2:52 pm • 3 0 • view
That is an extremely simplistic view. There's a reason they call it the establishment. They can't dictate primaries, but they did try to stop him, even trotting out Bill Clinton 😂 Their problem is they didn't think he could win until the last second. You are denying reality, so you're done now.
jul 8, 2025, 2:55 pm • 0 0 • view
It really isn’t. There is _no mechanism_ for them to have blocked Mamdani from running in the primary. None! Zero! The structure of NYC’s elections require it if there’s >1 candidate on the Dem side. They tried to stop him by influencing voters. Clearly, they cannot control him though!
jul 8, 2025, 2:57 pm • 2 0 • view
Who do you think "trotted out" Bill Clinton? You don't think that he acted on his own volition?
jul 8, 2025, 3:21 pm • 0 0 • view
The Cuomo campaign 😂
jul 8, 2025, 3:27 pm • 1 0 • view
Hey Jeff did you vote for Kamala Harris to be the Democratic Party’s presidential candidate?
jul 8, 2025, 2:43 pm • 1 0 • view
I sure did.
jul 8, 2025, 2:43 pm • 0 0 • view
That was a trick question. Nobody did. There was no primary.
jul 8, 2025, 2:44 pm • 0 0 • view
Yes there was. I cast my vote in it here in MA.
jul 8, 2025, 2:45 pm • 1 0 • view
When Biden was running?
jul 8, 2025, 2:46 pm • 0 0 • view
What state did you do that in? They didn’t run a primary in my state
jul 8, 2025, 2:43 pm • 2 0 • view
You have zeroed in on the one thing the Dem Party _actually_ can control, and I’m with you: not having a primary is bullshit.
jul 8, 2025, 2:45 pm • 1 0 • view
Okay so we can drop the pretense that we’re all the party. Thanks Jeff
jul 8, 2025, 2:45 pm • 0 0 • view
I’m literally a registered Dem, as are my in-laws in NYC. Which means we’re literally members of the Dem Party. And there’s no mechanism for removing me or anyone else from the Party. Hand-waving away how our political parties work doesn‘t help us if we want to make change!
jul 8, 2025, 2:46 pm • 2 0 • view
We are just pointing out how the establishment tries to thwart the will of the voters.
jul 8, 2025, 2:49 pm • 0 0 • view
Sure, then point at that faction, not “The Dem Party”. It’s counterproductive to lump DSA, progressives, and other more-left factions in the Party in together w/ the old guard/3rd Way/establishment/whatever faction(s). Hand-waving “the Dems are terrible” does Mamdani & other Dems a disservice
jul 8, 2025, 2:51 pm • 1 0 • view
Don't try to tell us what language to use. When we talk about the Democrats we mean the establishment. If we want to talk about Democratic voters we will say Democratic voters. You need to learn how to discern context and stop being the language police.
jul 8, 2025, 2:53 pm • 1 0 • view
That is correct. And I’m a member at the gym. I am not The Gym. You can continue to debate the semantics if you want but I’m muting this thread
jul 8, 2025, 2:49 pm • 1 0 • view
Well played
jul 8, 2025, 2:49 pm • 0 0 • view
That comparison doesn’t even work; you don’t get to vote on what The Gym does b/c you’re a member. You get to vote on what the Dem party does as a member. Join your local Dem club if you wanna make change!
jul 8, 2025, 2:50 pm • 1 0 • view
Thinking that the amount of attention that letter from Paterson got was really telling. I don't think anyone has given Paterson a thought since his career flamed out due to bribery 15 years ago, but he sees either Cuomo or a second Adams administration as a path back to relevance.
jul 8, 2025, 2:56 pm • 1 0 • view
Oh for sure. Like many, he’s in it for himself & clearly will happily hitch his wagon to the anti-Mamdani faction if it brings him opportunities & power.
jul 8, 2025, 2:58 pm • 1 0 • view
It also in no way surprises me that a lot of the opposition seems to be coming from real estate people and the owner of what sounds like a crappy grocery store chain who are ostensibly Democrats, but not in practice.
jul 8, 2025, 3:20 pm • 2 0 • view
I'm glad to see most of the party is supporting Mamdani -- he's a solid candidate, seems to be a good person, people are genuinely excited about him and the voters just made him the nominee by a wide margin, both as their first ballot choice and after RCV worked through its iterations.
jul 8, 2025, 2:59 pm • 3 0 • view
Me too, and it would be _really_ great if folks would acknowledge that the majority of the Dem Party, shown by an election, supports him & wants him to win! I deal w/ loud minorities a lot in pro-housing work, this is another version of the same thing. A loud but tiny set of assholes.
jul 8, 2025, 3:00 pm • 2 0 • view