I wish white and male actors would do the same.

"It'S nOt hIsToRiCaLlY aCcUrAtE!!!!!" That's what these morons hone in on? This is a play where the character's race has 0 (zero) bearing on the plot. As long as a character's race, sex/gender, sexuality aren't integeral to their story, who gives a crap? We all interpret things differently.

This was back in june

I consider myself as "woke" as people say nowadays and yet I hate content (films/books) modified/changed to ENFORCE diversity where they are not supposed to be. It will just anger most people. Creating new content would be more interesting in many ways.

You would have an argument about the Black Anne Boleyn in a recent movie because AB was an actual historical white person. To make R&J about racism is fully in the spirit of the play. So kwitcherbitchin’.

I won't have an argument over it, I just find it non logical. I don't think this is the spirit of the play but I see what you mean. My point is that you will not convince/make thinking evolve for anyone by angering them, never worked, whatever the subject.

It is but it’s not going to end anytime soon.

Juliet should be played by a white man the way Shakespeare intended.

@madisondixon.bsky.social

She is beautiful and the perfect actor to play that part!

Racists are stupid

I wish I could say there would be less, but the fires are being stoked. :(

It feels like the world is regressing in so many ways. We need to amplify the voices of positive & forward thinking people.

Hamilton - that was a fabulous cast. And no one said a word. And we let it go and enjoy the show. Be kind.

Here in Canada I've seen several productions with a Black Juliet. It is shameful that folk (likely those who have never even seen a play outside their kid's pageant) make such noise.

In the last 9 years, the media has shown, and yet not enough, our elected leaders to be devoid of character, morals, empathy and the ability to lift up all people. This is so sad as well as a demonstration of incredibly poor leadership and behavior.😞

Bc ppl are pigs

Black women aren't going to be forced into token support roles anymore. They will be treated like the stars they always have been. The racists can cry while their old ways die.

As much as I love black representation, we have enough creatives to make our own movies, literature and art. We don’t need to race swap to feel represented. It’s shallow and superficial

We should go back to the original Shakespearian casting! Nothing but white guys.

You mean Italian. “White people” is an American construct

Shakespeare was English you fuckin dunce

“Romeo and Juliet” is based in Italy. Read a book. Your part of the collective ignorance that’s poisoning American consciousness

It's you're btw.

Based on Italy, certainly. But where was the first showing? Was it in Rome? No, it was in fucking London in 1597. Do you know who would have been acting in 1597 England? White English men.

You’re right that the first English staging of Romeo and Juliet was performed by English men, but that doesn’t change the fact that the story is rooted in Italian culture and history. Shakespeare adapted it from an Italian tale, with its setting, characters, and themes all originating in Italy.

I don't know enough to make a counterpoint, so I'm going to concede the disagreement. Thanks for educating me regarding certain elements of the play.

I agree with all those sentiments. A ton of effort is spent on shallow and superficial. But I expect it is mainly for children so it may be useful. It's only the adults that see it for what it is.

You can’t fix stupid so I pray to live long enough to see it “die out” 🙏🏻

All this hate against non-whites and people who aren’t like them makes zero sense. They can’t live in an all white world in the 21st century even though they keep trying.

I once had somebody treat me very poorly because I am Hispanic... I told them, "You are treating me a certain way over something I had no control over... Why? "

My parents both came here from Mexico before I was born so I get what you’re saying.

Did they have an answer at all?

No, he was so stumped at the fact that I asked, didnt say a word after. Talk about some awkward silence.

White people only represent 15% of the global population. They have always been a minority. They just fear being treated the way they have always treated minorities. And they don't want to lose power.

Fear of #2043 as I see it and the deplorable reactions on the part of the “master race” to it.

It's a little strange when traditional white characters are replaced. Like when a film doesn't follow a book. But, all stories are applicable to *all* of us. It's the performance that matters so I think it's fine. If Jesus can look American, then Julliette can be non-white.

Are these the same folks who were adamant that people of color could not inhabit Tolkien’s fantasy world of Middle Earth ?

MAGA people believe wokeness will die and Hollywood will cater to them when Trump steps into office. It doesn't seem like it.

They can deny reality all they want, doesnt mean diversity is going away.

This play isn't problematic enough on its own with adolescent sex and suicide, they have to make skin color a problem, too? WTF? Don't like it, DON'T WATCH.

Wait…didn’t Holland come out and endorse their conservative candidate last cycle? Like he traded lower taxes for standing with bigots in that party? Huh so is the performative now… or was that then? So confused as morals seem to have a $$$ tag.

For the yanks… The Conservative Party in the IK are called Torries.

Who did he endorse?

He didn’t endorse anyone. He doesn’t have US citizenship.

I took it as a UK candidate but I can't find anything about it and tbh I doubt he'd have endorsed any of the Tories

I do believe it was a conservative policy not a candidate per say like Brexit and his endorsement in the final days was stunning. There was a video interview with him. If you think it bs, it certainly can be and carry on.

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Nope, the only Tom Holland being pro Conservative I could find is not the actor

Aye I saw the author, too. No it was a few years ago (2,3?) and remarkable because he doesn’t do endorsements & deeply disappointing. About the same time Mark Ruffalo got slapped down for proPalestinan tweets & had to walk it back Crazy time x.com/MarkRuffalo/...

I can’t find anything on it for either country. 🤷‍♀️

Yep, probably bs

Tom holland didn’t endorse either because he’s British and doesn’t have a dual citizenship. He can vote in our elections. Idk who you’re thinking of but it wasn’t him.

Torries… ul conservatives

Can’t**** vote in our elections

Tom Holland is British and has famously stayed out of politics. It's highly unlikely he would have voiced support for conservatives in the US or UK.

Don’t think he did. There’ll surely be a link to a reliable source for this though. That isn’t referring to other Tom Hollands such as the historian.

Actors play roles. So I’m fine with it. I was also fine with Depp playing a Native American for the same reason. If finding the truth in a role is dependent on somehow being associated personally with that role movies would cease to exist.

We need an adaptation with Juliet played by a boy in drag next time around, will be the perfect response to these shenanigans

Which, of course, would be closer to the casting of Juliet when originally performed.

Exactly! 💯

Oh do, please, let it be a Black young man in drag... the outrage would power several small cities....

I would watch that so friggin hard.

Same idiots that complained about "HAMILTON"

As I discovered working in the arts, the people who produce the most conservative art forms (theater, dance, opera, orchestral music, choir) are surprisingly liberal. Their patrons, not so much.

It will never improve as long as capitalism is allowed to flourish.

If anything the play could be more relatable in these modern times as to the feud between the families with a beautiful black Juliet.

FFS, people are absolutely ridiculous with these "historically accurate" arguments when discussing FICTION. All stories are speculative, race is a social construct and has no bearing on anything unless someone is choosing racism.

Not only should they both be white, they should both be Capulets. Or both Montagues. Everyone knows they don’t mix!

George- I’m not thinking less🥺

oh, so Juliet cannot be with Romeo? I see, hmm

Stop changing gender and races of historical characters.

They're just mad because they don't get to make out with Tom Holland. And they'll never make a better version of Romeo and Juliet than the 90s Baz Luhrmann version. Never. Don't even try.

The sickest bullshit EVER. WHITE MAN drags native Africans here for slave labor, and still those same white assholes are falling back to the hatred they themselves invented. Why? Because the same mindset must be maintained to give fodder for their own need to feel the thrill of Imagined superiority

Don't get your hopes too high. America just voted for "The Woke Mind Virus will destroy us all". And we all know what they really mean when they complain about "woke".

It amazes me how short minded people can be with their phobias here in the USA. And billionaire’s words are taken like scripture. I thought we would evolve better.

Same thing happened with the Harry Potter Production when Hermione and her daughter were cast as black. One of the coolest things around in the Version of Othello where Patrick Stewart is Othello and Ron Canada is Iago.

Yep. That's why they've now retconned it that she was always black all along.

It's working as intended, Hollywood making racists uncomfortable is always a good goal.

Awful. Back in the 80s I really thought society was making progress, but it seems somewhere along the way things started to go backwards.

Only white people seem to be shocked by racism

Especially in the world's best-known play about racial disharmony

Fun facts: modern-day Verona, where Romeo and Juliet is set, is widely considered one of the most racist cities in Italy. At the same time, their patron saint, Saint Zeno, was African.

I bet I can guess who they voted for.

Romeo is almost 30...

So?

Ironic that this is what the play is literally all about

I was about to post this exact wording

Utterly Disgusting that this still goes on in this day and age!

As long as I live, I’ll never understand that mindset.

The assholes complain about things that they likely would never see anyway. That's really reaching for hate.

As if ANY of them would even be attending a shakespeare play themselves! Imagine getting so unbelievably worked up about something you will never participate in! ❄️

Hateful or ridiculous commentary speaks for itself.

Don’t hold your breath. The country elected a vile, hate-monger and his minions for another 4-year session of bullying.

Could I take a wild stab at their political allegiance?

There won’t be. If Hollywood would just write better parts for POC instead of trying to force them into historically white roles this wouldn’t happen. All this does is set up the actor and the film for failure. Are there no creative writers out there that can write something new?

This doesn't apply to Shakespeare. Shakespeare isn't Hollywood.

Damn fine question. I guess I would have to really study why it seems like it’s fine with people when POC play Shakespearean roles as opposed to roles in Disney movies. It’s all fiction and therefore anyone should be able to play the role. But that’s not reality.

MAGAs know about Shakespeare?

Of course not, they can’t read. Gotta make it to like, 7th grade to get into Shakespeare and they don’t stay in school past 5th.

'Tis the time’s plague when madmen lead the blind. W. Shakespeare, with thanks to Google

Is that King Lear? Or am I remembering that wrong? I’m old, been a long time since I studied Shakespeare lol

Yes -- I had to look it up. It's the Earl of Gloucester. Unintended irony, given the political moment: Gloucester trusts his lying son and distrusts his honest son, to his later regret.

Ahhhh, yes, that’s right. I’ve read all of shakespeare’s work at one time or another. Maybe this is my hint to reread them all lol

It’s 2025

That's highly doubtful, with Musk, oh I mean Trump, taking office.

Didn't we learn anything from West Side Story?

Of course, I have a feeling that the Republicans will never grow out of it, and I think the Democrats have better racial policies, don't you?

Love knows no color

You know what? Whoopi Goldberg was a Black woman playing a WHITE MAN in 1986. We don't HAVE to cast only white people to play white people, only men to play men, etc.

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Racists mentally abused Halle Bailey because she portrayed a FICTITIOUS mermaid. That's how sick they are with ingrained hatred.

Romeo and Juliet come from different worlds. Different races being cast makes sense. Racists are dumb. But also, how about Hollywood tries harder to make some original ducking stories instead of remakes every few years. 🙄🙄

It won't happen especially with people coming into power who support hateful rhetoric and are openly allowed to spew it without repercussion.

I hope so too. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem where our country is headed.😢

Watch their heads explode when you explain to them that back in Shakespeare's day, Juliet would have been played by a male actor

Yeah, I’m not counting on that. 😔

Once they see West Side Story, they'll have another hissy fit.

They called the Spielberg one “woke”. Nevermind that the original used brownface for many of the leads such as Natalie Wood.

As if this had not been done before. I'm also certain there is at least one adaptation explicitly about racism.

In Shakespeare’s time Juliet would have been played by a guy, so let’s do that as I know MAGA followers are such sticklers for facts and are such historians of the stage

Juliette is also 13. Romeo is at least 16. To be historically accurate, they'd need to hire actors who aren't in their 20s to play these roles.

This!

They voted for a rapist. I’m not surprised at anything today

I'm sorry, what?

They voted for rapist dictraitor don.

Can we just clarify the "they"

Dictraitor don supporters. If you haven’t lived in a cave, you should know that.

I'm aware, but there's no relevance to this subject. The "they"s in question are English.

No, it’s worldwide attacks.

Irregardless, the use of "they" doesn't work because people worldwide can't vote for Trump. As it's an English centric story, the assumption I made was that the "they" was targeted to the English, and we didn't elect a rapist.

Well, in my opinion, they is the Democrats because I think they’re the only ones who ever try to help us… and they never get it right because they don’t fight hard enough. The right is so brutal. It’s impossible.

The ones who put him in office those who voted for him and against humanity

They is being implied at the racist people upset about Juliet played by a black actress. Meaning those same eho complain about it probably voted for tiny hands.

The racist "they"s are English

The play is in England, but the racist attacks are online. Which means it can be anyone. However, I was simply stating who they meant.

When I say they, I’m talking about the Democrats, they don’t fight as brutal as the right wing nut jobs who are running our country pretty much the Democrats don’t fight dirty like they do which is why we never get anything right

Yes, but the confusion comes from the term "they" when talking about an English play with English actors. I doubt many in America care as they're unable to watch it either way. We haven't elected a rapist over here.

You'd be surprised what racist people in the US worry about.

In that sense the UK is much smarter. Although, I sincerely hope the UK can resolve its economic issues caused by Brexit.

My hope is we just wait for most of the "leave" people to die and have another vote. Over 80% of people aged 16-24 voted Remain and nearly 70% of 25-34. It's not fair that all the old bastards lumped us with all this shit.

As a Black amerikkkan citizen, trust me, “they” as in racist white ppl, they absolutely care. See also: if the elected rapist was NOT white, he’d already be either dead or in jail. Instead THEY elected a felon.

It’s almost as if the racists never read the source material.

I honestly do not understand why people get so upset when you change a fictional character's skin color. Who cares? It is literally a made-up character. It's just racism hiding behind other excuses.

Racism is the one ‘ism’ that yields very little sustainable support….

Remember how the last Romeo and Juliet movie stared GARDEN GNOMES, but nooo, now this story about teenage double suici de must be protected apparently.

So sad but welcome to 45’s America!

With MAGA victory comes 4 years of racism

These people have no lives. They're just hateful, miserable assholes who want to make the world as hateful and miserable as they are.

I don't think those people are worth listening to.

I'm not a betting man, but I'd bet this is just the beginning. Their Orange Jesus is a known and adjudicated racist.

If they’re looking for “historically accurate” (which is ridiculous cope for racism), I’m sure these folks are okay with the Juliet role being played by a dude to keep it as “historically accurate” as possible.

"Historically accurate" is racist? That's a dangerous non sense.

Well if we want really accurate Romeo is supposed to be 16 and Juliet only 13.

And that Juliette is 13, and Romeo is older. By any current standards, it would be statutory rape and illegal.

A 14yo dude.

In front of a loud, drunken audience heckling the screen aswell.

And throwing various items when the performance is subpar

The actual play never says Romeos age. Modern times portrays it as 2 kids to make it less creepy. But remember. We are going for accuracy...

True, but I meant Juliet. Me, I would cast Romeo as 18, like a high school senior going after a frosh.

In Shakespeare's time, a fourteen-year-old dude would be quite typical to play Juliet as there were no female actors allowed.

Thomas Jefferson says "hold my beer".

We are very quickly regressing as a society. Too many people have rose-tinted glasses for a past they never even knew and want to pull us all back into it.

If white person A is mad that a black person is playing Juliet then white person A is a racist

I don't remember this type of bullshit talk when Denzel was cast in Much Ado About Nothing.

Probably because he played a character who didn't have sex with anyone. And I don't recall a lot of blowback about the 2019 Shakespeare in the Park production of Much Ado, because that was an all-Black cast, so again, no interracial romance. I think the underlying issue here is that Romeo is white.

Great point – I don't recall any, either.

Maga unleashed

With the incoming administration? Unfortunately they're just going to get bolder.

I wish that was the case, but with Trump in office, I think it’s going to get worse for so many and it breaks my heart and keeps me up at night.

In the world of Trump and MAGA I am not surprised.

You know they never actually say how old romeo was. It was actually most likely about a predator grooming a child. Historically speaking. Just sayin.

how is this still a worry now a days

Unbelievable and very sad

Hatred is easy. Hatred is lazy. Hatred is learned. Hatred is arrogance. Hatred is ignorance. Hatred works for dictators and despots.

For example, in one of the remakes of Sherlock Holmes, Lucy Lu plays the part of Watson. I watched it and got used to it, but having a female replace a male character from the past seemed a bit weird at first. Then I adapted and it was fine. In some cases one has to look at change as a new creation.

So... The worlds (families collide) in Romeo and Juliet, and there is a lack of acceptance to be sure. In a way, some people protesting this new creation may be carrying on the same divisions made back then. As for the sticklers for accuracy, I can see how some people are affected by some changes.

I think the optics of opposing such a TV show is terrible, no matter what reason a person may have. Some people are sticklers for accuracy of original works. It may have been very unlikely of such a mixed race relationship in that day. Yet, the whole story is about lovers from different worlds.

Good that they are finally putting black and brown people in these roles. They should have been included from the start. While I'm not a fan of the remake, I will definitely be watching this movie.

I wonder how many of these rabid idiots has, or would, even see any Shakespeare?

Wonder how many of them know what a Shakespeare is unless it's a gun, drug or below-14 teen.

Never heard them complain when a white bloke plays Jesus

I bet you i can guess who the racists voted for. Not to be political or anything.

less such hatred in the new year ahead... you crack me up.

Two households, both alike in dignity, In fair Verona, where we lay our scene, From ancient grudge, break to new mutiny, Where civil blood makes civil hands unclean.

I memorized that in 6th grade for musical theater.

My favorite line from the play is "Tis an ill cook who cannot lick his own fingers." Act IV, Scene 2.

Imagine the Yellow Fever if it was an Asian woman and a white man casted in those roles instead. The racist vitriol towards Black performers. SMH

Any that can't treat all people as people aren't fully human yet.

Sorry George. TRump's number 1 agenda is spreading hate. And MAGAats will help him.

Don't these morons know that Shakespeare wrote this play to point out just these differences? And that Tom Holland is actually dating a Black woman, Zendaya, in real life?

Video the performance and sell thousands of discs. Only way to penalize bigots is to do more of what they hate.

Hopefully, but we are headed into more of this everywhere. The hate for Black or Brown is everywhere.

The people that hate black people that are against a black woman playing Juliette must not be aware of the ending.

In the 80’s in a movie more progressive than the title suggests, Porky’s 2, was a fictional representation of racism in the 50’s. The high school actor playing Romeo received threats from the KKK since he was Native American. The main characters put those racists in their place. Bob Clark!

I can't wait for humanity to accept that we all matter. Regardless of skin tone. We've been blending as humans since the beginning of humanity. I'll get off my soap box now. 😌💕💕

I dont get it. One of my fav adaptatiations is Harold Perrineau as Mercutio, a black man. And he will always be Mercutio to me. No one complained. Stop the hate. Stop the incessant racism that doesn't belong. She will be Juliet. And she will be great!

I'm just tired of them acting like the story isn't about a 13 year old girl and an older guy. My issue is that the age gap is never accurately represented in any film adaptation thus far.

So tired of these 'learning experiences' for the antisocial. 😑

Racism used to be seen as a generational problem. “Once all the boomers die off, it will be better.” As a boomer myself, I used to hopefully agree. Now? Racism has taken hold in our youth. All I can do is to keep educating. Hang in there, Uncle George. You do good work.

Unfortunately, 77 million people voted for an Orange Rapist so I don't think it's looking good.

Unfortunately, I think we’re in for more of this kind of garbage, given the racist oompah loompah that’s about to occupy the Oval Office.

This is crazy because even Tom Holland is in a relationship with a beautiful woman of color. Weird racist people.

What’s next, a Puerto Rican Juliet?

Raul Julia took on a couple Shakespearean roles; we would surely find a way to forge ahead.

Expect it to multiply exponentially

The best Juliette I ever saw was a young Black woman in Ashland a couple of years ago.

TBH, Tom Holland is a little old for the part. 😀

Yet they have no issues with a White Jesus. SMDH

Wait til they hear that Jesus wasn't blond and blue eyed.

Northern Italy during the renaissance had a decent sized east and north African population due to trade

Juliet is a fictional character. Unless there is a plot-related reason why a fictional character must be a certain race then it shouldn't matter what race the actress/actor is who portrays them!

Proof that where ever White, male human beings live, so too will racism, sexism, and misogyny!

We are in the year of 2025, living in one of the greatest country on earth and racism is one of the topics talks about the most. If you are one of the racist bastard reading this, you should be ashamed of yourself cause you’re a disgrace to mankind.

The greatest? Not anymore. Let’s start with Health Care. Mortality Maternal mortality Gun violence Education Greenhouse gasses. I could go on for days. Racism is a symptom of our superiority complex.

We are not one of the greatest countries, please tale that American exceptionalism BS out back behind the barn and shoot it once and for all

That's an American solution to a problem, right there

More of an Old Yeller solution, but as that is an American book….point taken

In this case, it's not an American solution. It's a farmer/rancher solution that's international.

The US is not one of the greatest counties on earth. The US ranks 17th globally in overall freedom, and we're down from 14th a few years ago. And we were tied with Japan for 14th place back then.

Unfortunately it's gonna increase with Trumpie and MAGA coming into power...

Very sad but not at all surprising! Racism is unfortunately alive and well! 😢😢

I know you were present when Kamala was campaigning.

They clearly have no idea how “foreign” Italian characters would have been to Shakespeare’s audience. The idea that they’d have identified them as being part of the same race as them is laughable. Racists are so boringly and predictably stupid.

I do not care because it is an act of fiction not a law of physics. Hell i say make the leads transgender and poc set in Canada. Piss them all off. This is tiring. Can they act? that is all i care about anyway. I just want to enjoy something all this excess drama by those on the right is dumb

I’d argue that’s a fresh, unique, modern, and badly-needed twist for Romeo & Juliet. I mean, if we absolutely *have to* remake that story yet *again* 😐, why not change it up. Great way to do it, I’d argue 🤷🏽 👍🏻

Wasn't it Megyn Kelly who became incensed at a black Santa?

On the bright side, we still can say it. We must cherish and defend freedom of speech.

💔

she could play Othello as well while we‘re at it

I'm only disappointed this open letter comes from her Black colleagues. Where's the resounding support from prominent white actors? White people made racism; only white people can take it down.

Some of the most poignant casting I've seen.

Also interesting that they are completely missing the point of Shakespeare's still-too-relevant social commentary.

What, again???

I'm afraid with the orange felon in power, less hatred won't be possible. 😢

So it's okay for Tybalt to be played by a Mexican in the Dicaprio version of Romeo and Juliet but it's not okay for a black woman to play Juliet? That's not only hypocritical but also pathetic. Hell, I would love to see that play, regardless of the casts' skin color. People need to grow up.

Heartbreaking, but sadly, also not shocking considering the state of things.

Black divas have been singing lead opera roles for half a century with no problems

Small minds will always breed contempt.

Oh my God-people have no shame. Is there no bottom to this? Shakespeare is for everybody!

I'm old enough to find it beyond heartbreaking. I find it deplorable, regressive and utterly ignorant. Not going back to the 60's. I already did them once.

Over this crap. Drowning them out with love and acceptance.

I am afraid it is only going to get worse. 😞

Two households both alike in dignity

It is heartbreaking, however I fear there will be more, significantly more, not less on 2025 for obvious reasons.

Romeo & Juliet is about two people being in love and dealing with society’s disapproval. So…?

In Shakespeare's day, when all the parts were played By men alone, in motley guise, No murmurs rose, nor voices complained. 'Twas custom, and naught did it constrain. Yet now, in these much Darker, harsher days, We find more tongues apt to judge and haze. Bigots be gone thou heinous wretches.

I bite my thumb at those racists.

Saw this play. She was absolutely brilliant

I remember when Misty Copeland danced Juliette and all the disgusting crap flung at her.

It's #thelittlemermaid all over again..

Trump started the rise in hate crimes back in 2016, I wouldn't count on it.

Its’s amazing to watch the MSM twist itself into trying to explain the election results. The headline is “Country controlled by racist misogynists that don’t care about common people elect a racist misogynistic president that doesn’t care about common people”

With the Trump administration? Probably not.

This is why this country will never ever have universal healthcare, fair hiring practices etc. This country is rooted in racism and it wont go away for generations.

Well, it's a London production and England has universal healthcare... and unfortunately, racism. That said, yes, combating American racism is a work in progress that will take generations. Will it ever be perfect? No. But it can be better. We have to work for it and appreciate those who did.

The uk racism has sky rocketed recently due to the media blaming "the boats coming across the channel" for all the uk woes and not the rich's fault for not paying any tax just lining each others pockets

Is that why there were those fights on camera from crowds attacking Africans etc i saw earlier this year?

I've been told the UK has in some areas but in others they don't really care. Thank you for informing myself and others who weren't aware of this. Perfect? Not at all but it should be levels better than what is present.

Yes. It should be better and we're struggling to keep the gains that others sacrificed so much for. It gets discouraging. But if others could work so hard for it, then we have to too.

Yes indeed we do. I believe if things get really bay people will actually stand together otherwise it wont end.

Alas, I see it going the other way, as Magats are now emboldened.

Sad little people ... Really.