simple mistake to make when your knowledge of biology is capped at about a 2nd grade level. conservatives are demonstrably stupid people. as evidence repeatedly shows.

Freedom Females

It makes me feel physically ill. And angry.

Masterblaster run Barter Town.

plus, now we're all lesbians! woot!

According to some, having sex for any other purpose but procreation is “gay sex”, so a lot of us are out here having gay sex anyway. 😂

Only later do the parts sort themselves out ... or not. Intersex is a biological reality. Binary sexes are a Western patriarchal construct. Did these asshats all fail biology? And if so, how are they qualified to be making decisions about ANYTHING?

Oh they’re not qualified at all. And the law stating that experts direct specific law from general law made by judges doesn’t exist anymore either. They don’t have to know anything to make a law about it. No matter how scientifically wrong they are.

I taught embryology for 25 years. No one has reproductive organs at conception, which by this ignorantly nonbiological definition would make us all asexual. Later, all embryos, regardless of chromosomal complement, have both "male" and "female" organ precursors, so for a while, we're ALL nonbinary.

This is somehow very validating to my existence as a gender queer person 💗

Fascinating! As a born asexual, I find this hilarious. ONE OF ME, ONE OF ME.

The Y chromosome doesn't develop until 6-7 weeks AFTER conception. By the very fucking definition, all embryos are indeed female at conception. FUn fact: Conception is literally the point when the sperm fertilizes the egg. since you appear to not understand basic biology.

Maybe this helps clarify? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279...

Great citation! But embryos aren't all XY or XX. XO (Turner Syndrome), XXY (Klinefelter Syndrome), XYY (Double Y Syndrome), and XXX (Trisomy X) embryos are all viable and produce healthy functioning adults with varying sexual phenotypes. Intersex can and does begin at conception. Biological fact.

Yes I realize embryos come in various phenotypes. I was hoping this article might help the conversation around embryos development timeline. No where does it refer to the Y chromosome “developing” later which someone on the thread was saying.

It (or they if XYY) are present from fertilization.

Of course not. It/they are present from conception. Expression of genes in the sex determining region (SRY) weeks into development initiates the male developmental pathway. But SRY mutations or other downstream gene mutations can still yield intersex phenotypes.

Um, she didn’t mention phenotypes, she mentioned genotypes. Do you not know the difference?

Thanks for posting! Sent the link to myself to read later. One of the most interesting classes I had in my senior year of college was an endocrinology class, back in 1980. And I remember this description in the textbook we used.

I loved embryology class! But my favorite was entomology, maybe I was stuck in the E’s.

??

If you Google the name of the person you're replying to, they literally have a PhD, references at a university and papers published online. But sure, you tell them Anime Cat Person. You seem to know more about this.

Thanks for the support.

Of course. I'm one of those crazy people that still believes in higher education and listening to those more knowledgeable than ourselves. Radical thinking these days, I know. Thanks for sharing in the comments.

That's nice n' all. but I'm not gonna believe some shmuck on social media just because they share a name with someone that owns a PhD. Especially with how rampant disinfo is nowadays.

Hope that feedback you've received has given pause for thought. The more anyone learns about something, the more they understand how much remains to be learned. What I learned in grad school was similar to what you posted, but understanding has changed, I've learned more, and you can too.

Early embryos are sexually ambiguous. If my PhD in bioanthropology & human anatomy and 25 years teaching anatomy and embryology to medical students isn't sufficient authority, may I refer you to Langman's Medical Embryology, 15th ed. and/or Moore's The Developing Human, 11th ed. Happy reading!

You seem to not understand advanced biology. I'm not sure why you are being hostle. What she stated isn't wrong by any means. You are not wrong either but yours is basic and hers is advanced. When you get more into different sciences they become a lot more detailed and complicated than middle school

I think they were referring to the part about the reproductive cells, which are not present at conception in an embryo

they're still wrong. Still considered female until that Y chromosome develops.

The Y chromosome doesn't develop. It is present or absent depending on the conceptus genotype. Sexually ambiguous labioscrotal swellings, genital tubercles, & Mullerian/Wolffian ducts follow different developmental pathways depending on later gene expression. Please just read the books.

Chromosomes don't "develop"! They're either there or they're not. However, they can be EXPRESSED differently depending upon all sorts of factors. Perhaps that's what you meant?

Sperm typically cary either an X or a Y chromosome. Generally as soon as a sperm fuses with an egg the the Y chromosome is present if there is ever going to be one.

The benefits of only having law and finance degrees running a country full of industries and sciences they just don't comprehend

Looking for the Constitution, don't bother, it's gone. www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-wh...

Prob took one look at it and were all "no pictures?!" Take that shit down.

They're scrubbing it! 😡

Holy shit, they actually took down the Constitution.

It's not like they're using it anyway.

😰

Science!

Sex is not differentiated in utero until about the fifth week of gestation. “At conception” we are all ambiguous. Does that make us all “other?” Or the “X” that they want to remove?

Hm, good point. I think he just removed all gender with the EO instead

Yup. Lolz

So hear me out... This EO effectively defines all humas as females. If The Felon also bans same-sex marriage as expected, then this idiot just will make ALL marriages illegal. See what happens you you put a moron in chage of things.

I wish I could edit LOL

If a marriage turns fraudulent, does that make all married couples tax evaders?

As if we didn’t already know, a complete moron with no understanding of science is running our government.

You can’t expect them to believe how science works,can you?

there's so much ignorant stuff like this in every executive order, after reading them all this morning im literally wondering how this isn't a joke

The point of it all to “flood the zone”. Put out so much garbage that it’s hard to see the actual dangerous stuff. Also, they know these will all get tied up in court battles for years to come. Having 100’s of court cases to fight reduce capacity for resistance.

Writers from The Onion wrote half of them.

The world would be a better place if that were true.

It’s also why we all have nipples

He couldn’t even pay attention in biology.

😁

I’m calling male DT supporters “sis” and “girly pop” from here on out.

Are they smokin wacky tabacky???

shall we start calling him by his real name, 'Donna' tRump?🤣🤣🤣

I think this means all Congressional bathrooms should be women's rooms & everyone should have to use them. I want a camera crew following Nancy Disgrace.

I want to put this in front of all MAGA voters and tell them that if they currently identify themselves as male, they are considered trans

God that's funny!

They really are the stupidest people in the room at all times.

Schooled!

Realistically, no they aren't. Thinking fascists and their sympathizers care about what they said in the past is the biggest mistake you can make. They will lie, cheat, and abuse any rule. They will just claim you're wrong or that it's a joke or a troll and break the law they themselves wrote anyway

You can't "Gotcha" them, because they KNOW they are lying. They will just laugh at you secretly, because they don't care about truth. Don't ask them to acknowledge the mistake. Instead, make fun of them as hard as you can. ACTUALLY start adressing them as women (They're fascists, they hate women)

So we should refer to him as Madame President? Love that for him.

They don't know basic terms like "ova/egg cells" or "spermatozoa/sperm cells", but they're going to pretend they're the ones that understand basic biology?!

Are you female at conception? No, the sex of the embryo is determined at fertilization and depends on whether the sperm that fertilizes the egg carries either an X or a Y chromosome (sperm only carry one or the other, because they are “haploid” cells). All eggs carry an X, because females are XX.

While you'll find that in text books, it's a simplification. Biological sex is much more complex, and falls along a spectrum. Here's a rundown of some of the issues: sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-science-...

Thank you for your medical knowledge gained through years of *checks bio*.... Pottery.

During early development the gonads of the fetus remain undifferentiated; all fetal genitalia are the same and are phenotypically female. After approximately 6 - 7 weeks of gestation, however, the expression of a gene on the Y chromosome induces changes that result in the development of the testes.

Oooh... someone knows how to cut & paste.

I am married to a doctor.

I've met many ignorant bigoted doctors.

You need to make me a fresh coffee as my current one has been spat out. 😂

No need to spit out coffee. I have LGBTQ family & friends. Gender is determined at birth (male or female genitalia) it does not determine sexual orientation. My medical information comes from being married to a retired doctor & have a son who is a neuro-diagnostic tech.

Intersex? You're ignorant and ill-informed.

Girls!

And that my children is how you have trans and intersex people. Hormone expression changes the internal and external body and wouldn’t ya know, like all other animals we too are on a spectrum depending on what is expressed and how much.

It's all a bit more complicated than Trump understands. But that's what you get when you have a real estate grifter attempting to wrap their brains around genetics.

He didn't write this. He just signed everything put in front of him. This was written by the Project 2025 people. Trump is now a rubber stamp for anyone who "supports" him.

Well, obviously, they didn't understand it either.

Obviously. Wait until they find out there are some people with XY chromosomes who can produce an ovum.

So without mandatory gene testing of all unborn children with the attendant risks is... the EO will boil down to 'if you are born with male bits you are male' and 'if you are born with female bits you are female'. And for the few born with intersex bits... watch republican brains explode.

More than a few are born intersex

Right?! Follow the science bs makes me crazy because science shows it’s much more complicated than male & female

Well yeah but we can still shitpost about technicalities that got missed

I’d like to congratulate Donald Trump on being the FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT of the United States!🎉

All marriages are now same sex....gonna be a doozy telling everyone their marriages no longer count!

Hi Sisters

Zygotes run the world!

This is the most unintentionally gender affirming thing I've ever read! Good to know that they consider me female! I should apply to get my documents changed based on this! There's some prime malicious compliance in doing that.

"Small reproductive cell". Now you know why Trump favors this.

Of course ladies let’s go get him!

Oh man….that is so hillarious!

Finally we have a woman president, just mad it's Donald Trump

No this is presumably retroactive, George Washington was our first woman president

The Dems were right, the future IS female!

Whooooops

I wish 90% percent of them stayed female.

" a developing human starts as “a blank slate” with undifferentiated structures, and although only the X gene expresses first, it isn’t exactly right to say “all humans start as female”" factmyth.com/factoids/all...

At conception there is an egg. The chromosomes from the sperm don't get incorporated until cell division which happens after conception.

Also, if life starts at conception then every "male" is trans!

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

I always knew that Lieutenant Hikaru Sulu was the best TOS character and George you confirm that every day more and more!

Woman Power!

Welcome to the club Georgina!

and the lines for the women's room was long before this...

*were 🤦

Ridiculous.

But surely the heritage foundation consulted all of their many well-informed medical scientists when drafting this

In the clerb, we all ma’am

Let's go girls.

That’s why male humans have nipples.

😀😂🤣😁💗😍😂😃💙

Biology, chemistry, physics, civics, did these cretins sleep through every high school class?

Stupid fucks

.. some never evolve, sadly. Like those who prepared and executed Trump’s Executive orders, for example.

My husband has been pointing this one out too.

Has anyone gone on to his Wiki page yet and changed his pronouns to she/her?

I cannot begin to tell you how this pleases me! 🤣

At conception? That's barely a zygote, not an embryo. It doesn't even have reproductive organs. There's no sex at that stage it's an amorphous blob.

This is the danger of denying science.

⚡️😍 Doin' The Blitzkrieg Bop

Apparently women and, about time too!

As someone who has even a basic level of biology knows!

Science knowledge seems to be lacking in the Republican party

Actually based on that you're all now non-binary. You don't produce gametes at conception.

Except they think the presence of a y chromosome means you're a man. There are no Y chromosomes in eggs at conception.

Is conception when an egg is guaranteed to be fertilised or when it is functionally fertilised and starts dividing. Depends on that. But it clearly says at conception you need to belong to a category that produces either large or small gametes you don't have gametes at conception.

Humans that have y chromosomes typically have them as soon as the egg and sperm fuse.

Yes but that happens AFTER conception. The genetic material from the sperm isn't incorporated until cell division. There isn't a sex AT conception because there isn't a person. But if they are going to be this stupid then all eggs are female because they contain no Y chromosomes.

Not everything fits into a strict binary. Sexual development is complex and just because a cell is not male doesn't automatically make it female. Likewise there are fully formed adult humans who don't fit neatly into male and female buckets.

Can you show me a source that says conception is a point before the fusion of the egg and sperm into a single cell? I found two definitions, one is when the cells fuse, creating a diploid zygote, and the other, which was new to me, is at a much later point when implantation occurs.

Small and large reproductive cells? Couldn’t be bothered to crack open a biology book or even search the web for reasonable definitions? One could easily argue that we’ll all female as all of our reproductive cells are small. Glad they’re incompetent at least.

Females have large reproductive cells (eggs). Males have small ones (sperm/pollen). In some species all the individuals produce reproductive cells of the same size. Not all people produce reproductive cells at all. Reproductive cells don't define a humans gender.

Small and large is extremely subjective, and ridiculous to use to define a complex issue. That’s my point.

Sex on an individual level is complicated. The executive order denying the existence of intersex people is stupid. Gamete size is however a pretty standard way to distinguish males and females on a species level. Within any given species eggs are much larger than sperm.

Unintended consequences

As humorous as that would be, I believe recent studies refute the previously held belief that we all start out female.

Did Trump actually do this?? Yes she did! On the plus side, finally America now has it's first female president.

This is science, though, so it'll probably fall on deaf ears. If you can't convince a person that the earth is older than 5000 years old, or that it's not flat, there's no hope.

This is true. We all start off as female. Cue the GOP heads exploding.

The dumbnuts have no idea what conceptions means. 🙃

The “best people” showing their stupidity.

You know those maga idiots don’t believe in science

It’s amusing because they don’t understand basic biology. They also don’t care. They are laying the groundwork for genocide.

Before that, we all begin as a$$holes - deuterosomes specifically. Some, like Felon 47, never develop beyond that stage.

If thats true, that means that everyone in America is legally gay too, and all marriages are gay marriages! 😂😂 They'll have to rename it the Gay Old Party!

LOL!!!! Oh I cannot WAIT for someone to explain to Donald Trump that SHE is now the first FEMALE President.

Purr 💅

Have u seen the Mississippi's conception starts at erection bill? It's fire

Ohhh I had not. I love that for them.

They spent all that time sarcastically asking Democrats to define a woman. The irony is palpable.

By the way, what is with all this,”what is a woman?” I didn’t know the background for that statement. Every MAGAt at one time posts that to my comment. Is anyone willing to give the context?

It's also the name of a 2022 political documentary by Matt Walsh. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is...

Got it. I was not aware of that. Thanks. I will look into that.

It was also a "gotcha" question from the confirmation hearing of Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. Someone asked her to define the term "woman," with no clarifying context (the term has specific definitions in specific fields). The most accurate answer is, as with most things, "It's complicated."

They are looking for a "gotcha" moment regarding transgender women. They refuse to believe there's a distinction between biology and social constructs.

Thank you. Whenever I saw that comment from MAGAt, they seemed so stupid. It is fitting that they came up with that.

Science!

Yeah, science!

YES! A Biological fact.

Well, perfect. Now, everyone can use the ladies' toilet. And we thought he didn't know what he was doing.

So I need to list my gender on government forms as female now? OK. Just following the law...oh wait...that's gone. I am so confused. Am I male or female gender on a government form?!? Do I need to even fill out or comply with government stuff anymore? Asking for a couple hundred million friends🙂

Science was never tRump’s thing

Except.....no. trumps EO says we're all single-celled fertilized eggs with no sex traits or characteristics, and therefore genderless. Also it's unprovable and therefore unenforceable as it currently stands.

Wow they’re dumb. 🫠 how embarrassing!

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I snorted coffee thru my nose...lol...

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at conception we all have the capacity to develop as either male or female. If the Y chromosome isn’t present, or the fetus has androgen insensitivity, then the default development is to female. We are conceived given the capacity to develop as either sex which is why men have nipples

So now I'll be arrested using the men's room?

I also interpreted it as that you were assigned a sex due to the sex gametes you produce. Which, for people who are infertile means...??

I'm down with it

Some dudes, like Andrew Tate, never even get their male genitals. True story.

I love this for us!

George, why don’t heterosexual men just except the fact that they’re Christian God put their G spot in their bun hole. Personally, I think they’d be more happy if they just accepted their God’s will.

Bazinga!

The world is run by corporatists, autocrats, dictators, and other people who do not care and never will.

😆

Girls!

So you’re saying by executive order I am now trans. This government is getting more invasive every day….

Trump is our first female president

I guess people calling him a B! TCH WERE CORRECT

People who didn’t understand high school biology shouldn’t be politicians.

The embryo thing is true. And if a fetus doesn’t have testosterone receptors even as an XY individual it will develop as female.

Not quite. Human embryos start with "bipotential gonads" which differentiate either into ovaries or testes at about 6 weeks — usually, but not always, in the direction indicated by chromosomal XX or XY sex. So by their rules, we're actually all *androgenous.* www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK557...

Welcome ladies

Inaccurate

What is inaccurate about it?

Sperms carry the DNA for sex but don't develop until further along. Initially gonads are not identifiable.

All humans develop the female characteristics first the the male characteristics come in. The Law as Trump signed is considered from conception as a matter of genital presentation not genetic. Therefore you are wrong and Trump is a moron.

So who is going to break it to the proud boys that they are in fact the proud girls?

That will need to wait. They are already overdue for their appointments to have other things broken.

They grew up this way. They know they're beta.

If all those MAGATS could understand biology, they'd be really upset.

If only the current administration knew how the human body works

This is worse than that. Using the “conception” language, wrong as it is, is another signal for their future plans on abortion (shocking no one I’m sure)

🤣🤣🤣

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My son said it’s because Trump wanted to be the first Madame President. 😂

Wow. Your son nailed it. He must be jealous of the fact VP Harris could have been the first Madame President in our history. He is so ego centered that he could feel jealous of that.

Girl power WOOOOOOOOO!

Women!

Why are these dumb fucks allowed to even speak?!?!?

Because we allow it.

I’m so excited! The bathroom debate is over, now we can all pee in peace.

Half the country just became trans.

🤣🤣🤣 I didn’t know this ↑. It’s so funny that his ignorance has tripped him up *again*

Jesus thinks we all need to become men anyways in the gospel of thomas, the apocrapha. Jesus supports becoming transgender.

Well, alright. I really don’t spend much—any time in the day thinking about what my gender…oops, naughty word…sex is, though.

YOU MAKE ME FEEL...LIKE A NATURAL WOMAN!

We should start addressing “him” as Madam President

So it’s official. America is stupid!

What a time to be alive 👯‍♀️

That's right! But, they don't believe in science.

and he still erases intersex persons

I’m a female. He’s a female. She’s a female. Cause we’re all female, yeah!

Women!

Welcome to AI generated executive orders with people too stupid and lazy to fact check because they know their base is too stupid and lazy to fact check because they made sure to make them too stupid and lazy to fact check with fear mongering and distraction.

It's not wannabe AI slop, it actually says that, here's the official link: www.whitehouse.gov/presidential...

Republicans really are that dumb

Trump just made everyone's pronouns, "She/Her!" 🤣🥳♀️

Technically should be they/them at conception.

I bet a whole lot of those macho men in the USA are going to be so shocked that they have to change their personal pronouns to she/her, and then they get in trouble with the 'gender police' for being in Lesbian Relationships with their wives and girlfriends!

♥️

I actually like that kinda means all males are transgender. Love that!

Hey wait, what’s that sound? MAGA heads exploding all around!

My highschool freshmen knew that as soon as he read the order. So we had a good laugh, but I'm thinking it's actually not a mistake and instead a step towards fetal personhood.

This is the most round about way for someone to come out as trans possible. Congrats Donna Trump!!!

This is accurate.

So now that everyone is one sex, I gotta tell people they were right to say being bi was a phase. Turns out we’re all just lesbians (or ace, love y’all!)

What a dumb ass!

Oh My!

Morons

But just think of all the good food with everybody in the kitchen, George

Another reason these clowns shouldn't be in charge of reproductive healthcare 🥺

According to the executive order, my firstborn is- *gasps* -non-binary! There was neither XX nor XY chromosomes in the genetic makeup, and there would be no production of either reproductive cells.

Girls!

Girls!

Women shall inherit the earth

Ooopsie!

Well technically there are no sex organs “at conception”

Wait, so DJT is.... our first..... ... ... female president?

Nope. They’ve all been female

Oh damn, they don't even get grandfath--excuse me, grandMOTHERed in? They've been Retroactively Transed™ ???

Hmmmm…we’re all ‘unclassified’ then - since there are no genitals present at conception. 6-7 weeks in they begin to develop and initially are undifferentiated. Kinda like placeholders - like clay that isn’t yet shaped into a mug or vase.

Gonna start calling some burly MAGAts ladies now!

Wait. Does that now mean I'm now a hetero-normative trans male … woman … Goddammit. I am so confused.

J--- Girls!

It would be funny if it didn’t have such awful consequences for everybody else.

Correct.

That's what happens when people who don't understand basic science get in power 🤪

Bitch, I am going to slay in that LBD.

Ooh very good point. But they won’t believe you because they didn’t take biology or didn’t understand the section on embryology.

As Trump only recognises male and female genders ALL other genders should refuse to pay tax

Lol, I guess they should have paid better attention in schools. We are being run by morons

Angry, spiteful, morons with no empathy or compassion.

And since gender doesn’t exist we can all we’re whatever we want. All brunches are drag brunches now.

And since there’s no gender we can all wear and do anything we want. All brunches are now drag brunches

I always wanted a world run by lesbians. This is the first step.