And who determines what the executive’s legitimate power is, JD? The executive?! Come on. Let me put it in terms you’d get. It’s like football. The judges are the refs, and they say whether you’re in or out of bounds. And Musk is waaaaaay out of bounds with these takeovers of our systems.
Trump admin is laying the groundwork to be allowed to > ignore < any refs making calls against them.
I mean, this is on brand for someone who doesn’t believe in war crimes nor does he think war crimes should be punished. JD is a couch fucker. Can’t expect anything good to come from him.
Yale must be so proud
Maybe it’s Mabelline
JD you stupid moron, Presidents aren't allowed to exceed their authority. That's where judges come in.
They all missed 7th grade where we learned about the 3 branches of government and checks and balances.
And Musk and his technobrats aren’t even on the roster to be in the game!!!
If a rich asshat loots the treasure of sovereign country, even with the best wishes of it's leader.. it's also illegal. Vance took an oath of office too. He also needs to go yesterday, for his flagrant and ongoing dereliction of duty to We the people...
Can any #Americans explain to someone across the pond whether due parliamentary (democratic) process is going to resume, or is the way forward just a load of #ExecutiveOrders from a deranged #POTUS?
?? I can give ??? to help answer your question. Right now there is a very slim MAGA majority and will be unlikely to actually pass many bills into law. I think they'll continue pushing the EOs because it makes them feel strong. Our media is spinning when not ignoring the crisis.
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Sorry, Jd: A judge can find a general guilty of war crimes. A judge can dismiss selective or vindictive prosecutions A judge can find the executive branch is over reaching its constitutional powers.
I wouldn't count on anything right now.
Vance graduated from Yale. He knows the law. He also knows what he is doing is treasonous.
He also knows that Republican voters don't know the law so what he is saying is plausible to them.
It's like they have no idea what's in the Constitution. Like they don't know what's in their religious book. But they're sure telling us what they think they say.
The positive side is.. this shows exactly who he is and how he is a traitor. It helps take him down as well.
Bingo! We have one functioning branch of government - the judicial branch. It's fragile, because it will only last until they ignore court orders & the DOJ (reporting to Trump) refuse to enforce court orders. If that happens, the court has no recourse on its own & we're screwed.
He doesn't care. His purpose is to be willfully, criminally obtuse and cause misdirection. He has no shame, no spine.
What happened to checks and balances? Oh yeah, Dump Truck placed his pawns and waited.
So funny he used the General’s analogy. There’s a whole Judge Advocate General’s Corp, JAG, that literally advises the Generals on what they can and cannot do legally. it’s not just a TV show.
Actually, that is exactly why we have the courts in the United States of America. Their key responsibility is to ensure the other branches of power do not overreach and violate constitutional law. How does a supposed attorney from Yale not know this?
This is so funny, George. But just imagine that it’s not like a game. It’s like a bar fight. Ooh, that was below the belt!! No fair!! For sure that would stop the fight,
AND THE PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE BACK THEIR RIGHTS
Generals do have to face judges when they step out of bounds
Just wait until he wakes up tomorrow and realize that executive orders are not how laws are made in this country. And that all federal judges also have magic pens that can override the his Führer‘s pen.
Judges are too allowed to check executive power. That’s why there are three branches of government. These people never read a freaking civics book??!??!!
Sure they have, but their voters haven't. They're spreading ignorance and fostering resentment to support their sociopathic pursuit of power and control.
The judges should be all over this administration's illegitimate power though.
Wow! Talk about "not clear on the concept!"
It’s almost as if he has never heard the term “checks and balances”.
Musk is the drunk guy who runs on the field.
It's almost like these elected officials aren't qualified for the positions they were elected for
They are indeed allowed to stop any and all politicians without any exceptions. They ensure the laws is followed. To change the behavior of the judges the laws must be changed. They are there to ensure everyone follow the guidelines set by the justice system and the constitution.
Judges certainly ARE able--and required!--to rule on what politicians do. Unless those politicians have been declared by SCOTUS to be above the law. Sadly for the nation, that has happened for one man. But it has NOT happened for Musk or any of Trump's other flying monkeys.
Roberts' concern that the orange dicktater wouldn't respect judicial decisions is coming to fruition. Is anyone surprised? Give a dictator want a be unlimited power, you get a dictator!
Go easy on him. It’s not like he went to law school or anything /s
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Apparently he didn’t read the constitution because that is exactly what they are supposed to do.
Someone needs some schoolhouse rock. Checks and balances anyone? 30 minutes on the history of the Constitution?
The judges determine what is “legitimate” and legal.
People call JD Vance smart and say what a great book he wrote. He clearly doesn’t seem to understand “checks and balance”. Too hard for little JD, it seems.
Musk is neither a general nor an attorney general. FAIL.
And as any veteran knows, it’s the JAG office that prosecutes commands that step out of line
1903, Marbury v. Madison firmly established that the Supreme Court of the United States has the power to determine the constitutionality and validity of the acts of the other two branches of government – a concept that is a fundamental characteristic of American government.
I’m guessing you don’t understand the word coequal. Your analogy works if in football the two competing teams (executive and legislative) could override the referees in which they did in this case. It’s basic civics.
People are missing the fact that Elon brought Blackwater mercenaries to come guard the treasury building among some other buildings that doge was just working out of. At this rate the government building are going to be literally taken over by billionaires and enforced by a private army.
Musk wasn't elected and has not been confirmed as anything and therefore has no legitimate power.
#fuckjdvance
Vance is a traitor to America
He missed that day in Law school
Musk isn’t even one of the teams. He’s like the streaker on a field.
The king is the king. And Mr Vance is next in line for the throne.
someone clearly spent way too much time in school f-ing sofas and not enough studying the law
It's not illegal for a judge to tell a general what to do. They have military courts for just that.
But also like football, that only matters if the players and the league actually follow the ref's decisions.
I like the analogy, but I'd put it this way: if a 20 year old streaker ran onto the field at Superbowl with "I ❤️ Nazis" painted on his chest, should people complain that security ran on the field, or cheer when one of them tackles the streaker?
George, be kind. You have to take into account how f-ing stupid JD Vance is.
Then the Supreme Courts immunity ruling means nothing?
Well said
Another have no clue moment
He knows better but is creating a legal fiction
It’s a coup.
You would think a VP would have a better understanding of how our system of government works..... oh right, he was an unqualified DEI pick... right right...
He is the least qualified VPin history.
He is literally paid to be incompetent
The judge tells the General what is a lawful exercise of operational authority. A judge tells the Attorney General what is an unlawful exercise of prosecutorial discretion. In a Constitutional Democracy, a judge determines what authorities are within the rule of law and what behaviors fall outside.
JD Vance wants us to believe anything Trump does is "executive power." Gaslighting 101
Let me simplify: fuck Musk and this whole unqualified administration including VPVance!!
It is the job of judges to balance the scales of justice when one side (prosecutors, attorneys-general; or defense counsels) throw them out of balance. That's core to our system. Vance is pushing an anti-American, anti-Constitution agenda.
It's cute, though, in an ugly hypocritical way, that Vance now objects to judges "playing expert" in areas where they have no expertise. Generals in this case. Seems to me the same conservatives have been fine with judges pretending to understand theology at some profound level. Hint: they don't.
Legitimacy and any understanding of it escapes this poser
Poser is the perfect description of JD Vance, or whatever his last name is this year.
3 years of Yale law school tuition wasted.
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Ah, but the judge can determine if the power is legitimate or not, in accordance with the Constitution, and if not, the executive can be blocked.
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Tell me you failed 8th grade civics without showing me your report card. Or, tell me you're a wannabe dictator without actually trying to take over the... oh, never mind...
I believe that's called checks and balances, JD...
"We have the army we have the FBI, we have DOJ. Who will enforce a court order against us." "Hey, fat boy!"
President Musk keeps trying to give JD Vance a role to play. Unfortunately, every time Vance opens his mouth he blabbers nonsense.
It’s up to We The People to counter the lawlessness of Musk
That is the exact purpose of the Legislative and Judicial branches, as per the constitution 🤦♂️
He is making an attempt to sound strong, a true head of government. Unfortunately, he fails miserably. This only shows that his efforts are not well thought out, show weakness instead of strength, and is flailing to become the trumpanzee stand-in when he drops dead. THIS is what will replace him!
The thing folks need to realize is that, without saying it, the true believers all agree that when they're talking about "legitimate" authority they mean their god, and they've confused their inner monologue as being an ongoing dialogue with the creator of the universe....
You can't use that analogy, even the Refs are corrupt in the NFL, we've all seen it and what they say goes. So, pick up the flag, you have no challenge.
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Remember everything they are doing is counter to American values and the constitution. They have to say that to convince their followers they are right! When courts do stop them they can call it liberal BS!
well, at least Couch Guy has found his true calling in life: being a sycophantic yes guy for anything Trump/Musk want him to do, which seems to be mostly making up shit to rationalize their coup attempts. He’s certainly never accomplished much of anything else.
… and based on his complete ignorance of the way checks and balances work according to the Constution, he also apparently skipped or slept through every single basic government class he was ever enrolled in…
You forgot what country you're in JD.
And its called CHECKS AND BALANCES
JD is a sellout.
"The Bible is true because the Bible says it's true."
@bbcnewsnight.bsky.social why are you not reporting on this? The Trump admin is setting the stage to invalidate the courts.
Come back to the people, JD. Resist the power of the Dark Side. Darth Trump will only throw you under the bus as soon as you step out of line.
Lil JD, Peter Thiels mouthpiece.
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It’s a coup.
Vance is worse than the Orange Mafia Boss. But both are pure evil
Scary that we have a VP who either does not understand the separation of powers or who is deliberately setting up a scenario where the executive branch refuses to follow legitimate judicial orders. It is probably the latter.
JD who attended your classes in College? It’s obvious you didn’t.
Isn’t it amazing how incredibly stupid they all are? Either ignorant, or posturing as such for their base. Most people would be ashamed of themselves.
So we have basically checked every box. Great.
J D. Vance is the only author whose book I permanently deleted from my Audible collection. I am very sorry I ever contributed a nickel to this guy's livelihood.
Seriously, lights the beacons. This is escalating very fast. It could become very ugly in a very short period of time.
I didn't go to law school but because I read I know the VP is wrong. Didn't he go to law school?
Vance can kiss my end zone.
VANCE, the ultimate YES man.
Apparently he never took 7th grade social studies. You know, the three branches of govt and checks and balances. SMH
George, all Vance does is shovel outrageous nonsense and lies to his fellow venal, misogynist white supremacist thugs who eat it up like ravenous wolves. He knows what he says is idiotic. Vance is keeping his co-Presidents & Peter Theil happy. He is a vulgar & morally bankrupt. 100% repugnant.
For the life of me I cannot understand why Americans are not demonstrating in the streets. Are you all as cowardly as your elected representatives.
Thanks m8 some yank took objection and I had to delete her. Nice to see that someone appreciates an outsiders perspective.
Really? He is a lawyer? WTF!
He is either the most clueless person alive about democracy, or thinks everyone else is...
Checks and balances.
Or, if that same general executed everyone that surrendered, he would be outside all laws foreigner and domestic and would be subject to trial. JD seems to think that Trump/ Musk are gods and not subject to earthly laws.
When SCOTUS sees something outrageous they step in. Their silence speaks volumes.
Except they can’t until a case comes before them. Everything is just starting in the lower federal courts on all the issues.
There have been a few cases past 4 years they jumped in first. I forget what it's legal term is.
Sua sponte. Darn auto correct
Sue sponte? I’m still trying to find an instance of this….if it can happen, it is rare
This is what happens when you elect people who didn’t study political science or law or anything related to history and government, and instead choose popular thugs.
Vance is fu*ked in the head. Sitting around waiting for his turn up to bat for Thiel.
You elected this fkn moron lol
“Legitimate” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
And the Constitution is the rule book.
How did he get through law school and being in Congress and not know how the co-equal branches of government work? I mean really. Do they wipe a persons memory when you join the cult so you only know what Trump/Musk tell you. Unreal.
One of the teams should be allowed to choose the referee. Makes sense.
JD's just telling you that they will defy court orders.
Right because who will stop them?
…FAFO
One day there will be a price to pay. I hope that day comes soon and I hope the price is high. Once the Republican Party finds its balls we might see some movement. And I guess that will be when they start to show their great followership, once enough voters realise they’ve been had.
Musk isn't even playing football... he's playing Calvinball, making up the rules as he goes along.
Vance didn't pay attention in Civics Class
Oh, he did. He knows perfectly well that what he's saying is bullshit. The issue is that the people who voted this ticket into office didn't pay attention in civics classes.
Fair point
Also - using his example, if a General commits war crimes then the judge is perfectly within her rights to tell him how NOT to conduct military operations. JD tries to sound intelligent when he’s clearly just jumping around trying out different opinions to see if one sticks. Not smart.
Fu.... I mean, checks and balances? That's like the entire purpose of the judiciary... how is this man VP?
How are any of them in there? All fu… dumb.
How? Propped up by tech bro billionaire Theil .. I bet that there's 500,000 JD books gathering mold in some warehouse, propped to be 'gifts' in return for donations to some white christo-fascist mega church. Saw the same w Pain, Limbaugh, Hannity & BlOreilly 'best cellars'. All about puppets
Oh, it was a rhetorical question. Incompetence and willingness to say anything / parrot anything are the primary attributes of everyone in this administration, and way to many folks in politics in general.
He knew it, he supposedly studies law at Yale; he just has to kiss arse and elevate his role as well. He needs to go back to the couch.
fuck vance
Has Yale Law School stopped teaching the separation of powers inherent in checks and balances?
And JD is an idiot who loves his couch more than his wife
Dear JD Please read the constitution. Three equal branches of government. Not one, with two subservients.
He knows it. He’s just gaslighting. Seeing what he can get away with. If enough people start believing him, that, is incredibly dangerous.
You have to forgive him, George. He didn’t learn any law in law school.
This reminds me of his Augustus Gloop-style whining, “The rules were that you guys weren’t going to fact check.” He’s such a baby. No offense to Augustus Gloop or to babies.
Is that like legitimate rape?
And who exactly elected Musk?
Your response is still a bit too nuanced. I'm sure he still does not get it. You could try explaining it to him in hillbilly. But even then...
Judges aren’t allowed to control the power of the Executive Branch, but the US Constitution absolutely does and a judge’s entire job is to interpret the law of the land. In effect, to control the power of the Executive Branch based on the Constitution. JD Vance is a schmuck
What do you expect from a dudebro that supports a guy that says racist things about his children?
Also Musk is an unelected bureaucrat! The people have not voted for him.
WHY do we have a VP that doesn't know how the fucking government works? 😩😩😩😩
Trump will only listen to judges that he himself appoints. Otherwise, the judge is a traitor and subject to arrest. Get ready for a brave new world.
Poor J.D., the dumb just won't wash off.
Either will the awkward.
Power without control bring to total system corruption, it works great for the one in power, it's a catastrophe for powerless citizens.
I met this asshole at a conference in 2016, asked him an insightful question about the impact of Cambridge analytica on the election, and he told me it didn’t have one. In a sanctimonious “aren’t you a stupid little lady” tone. Fucker then, fucker now.
If a judge tells you you’re a criminal, you are a criminal.
I pray that someone fucks him up.
JDVs posts may contain another element as well...like a reaching for recognition and a semblance of relevance after finding himself thrown in Ftrumps trash can since the emergence of the new nazi in control.
And if a General was executing a military operation against military law, a judge telling them that would be (checks notes) doing their job.
Actually JD, that’s exactly what judges are supposed to do. Somebody didn’t pay attention in Civics class
You’d think Yale Law School would have taught him that.
Oh you know he never took civics 😆
He’s an attorney! This is like, year one, first month of law school stuff!!!!
Yale Law would like a word
Came here to say this!
Me too. Judges don't matter, the law does.
Judges come and judges go but the law still abides!
Ummm nope because he is a crack baby who was raised in one of the poorest areas in Ohio best known for their incest
He actually grew up between Cincinnati and Dayton. He's not really Appalachian, he just pretended to be for his book.
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This is when the American People need to set up recall petitions for every member of the US Congress to do their jobs or be gone.
SCOTUS trumps all JD
Usha Vance is a lawyer, right? Maybe she can help her husband understand how wrong he is?
Vance is a lawyer too. They both know he’s wrong. I suspect neither care.
And the executive branch isn’t allowed to tell Congress how and what to spend the money on. But hey, here we are. Someone needs a civics class.
No one ever said #jdvance was smart. My 10yr olds no how the government works better than this moron.
He knows. They have no intent on following the courts and he's setting the groundwork for this.
His “idea” of “government” is whatever they like/want/say = “law” - it’s dictatorship & they haven’t been shy about saying so either. But they like using words like “illegal” to sound knowledgeable & as if they’re abiding by something other than their toxic, contagious GREED
JD Vance knows this is bullshit and he doesn’t care. He also knows that he can sell this bullshit to MAGA and they will believe him.
And it also pleases Peter Thiel, since Vance is his Poodle.
They are ramping up to defy court orders.
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Just laying the groundwork with the base so they can ignore the judiciary. The Judiciary is powerless without someone there to enforce their ruling… and MAGA owns them now.
JD your ignorance is showing.
Man, all they can do is complain I guess. Great leadership.
So, their position is that the judiciary has no right to contradict the executive. And their actions have shown that they believe the legislature has no right to contradict the executive. Where does that leave all the power? With the executive … unless We The People take it back.
I believe that anyone who is familiar with the CCP know exactly what JD Vance means: The Party is above the law, and the leader’s will & thoughts is above the Party.
Stupidity breeds stupidity.
If what they're doing is illegal, a judge is obligated to rule on it.
YES they are. A reading of the Constitution says they are.
Anyone shocked that these brilliant cutting-edge legal theories never seem to come up during Democratic administrations? I know I am. Ladies and gentlemen, VP 130.
Mr. Vance seems anxious about being forgotten as Musk and Trump wreck our federal government. Perhaps if we continue to pretend to ignore him, he'll spill the beans on the rest of the operation.
J.D. Vance is about as intelligent as a rock. Something he has in common with frumpy trumpy. A Judge can, in all cases, if the General, the Attorney General and the Executive Branch were acting in such a way that they were breaking the law. See, that’s what Judges do.
That JD Vance guy is such a gaslighter! Always the most fallacious and dishonest arguments.
Omg he literally has no idea what he's talking about. Or worse, he does, and he's spewing lies to further an illegitimate cause. EITHER WAY- He is not the vice president. He wasn't elected, he was purchased. For the record JD- the executive, judicial, and legislative branches have EQUAL power.
JD Vance is a disgrace! It really can't be said enough. He is a coward.
That's a nice analysis and analogy. Superseded by reality. And as long as no one who has the power and the means to arrest Musk for example, the coup will continue.
Yale law school wasted a seat on that guy.
They’re trying to intimidate the judges so that the judges rule in their favor because if they rule against them, and they ignore the court order it becomes an issue. That’s exactly what they’re trying to do.
Judges ARE THE ONLY check to Executive power and he would know that if he had ever read the constitution.
Yeah legitimate is the key word.
We’re gonna watch law enforcement struggle with this and it’s a scary thought. What do they truly represent? Upholding the law or obeying the orders of a politician? Dark times are ahead.
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This is literally that standoff scene in Captain America: Winter Soldier where Hydra is ordering the assassin-carriers to launch, and the conscientious S.H.I.E.L.D. agents refuse.
Which is ironic bc they pardoned the cop killers, so cops will support them bc most are MAGA cosplayers, but in the end cops are funded by states. It’s the military we need to be wary of
Dark and very scary times. 😫
He knows what he’s doing. He’s laying the groundwork to defy court decisions. It’s straight up insidious.
"Bad company corrupts good character." ~ Menander "If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already." ~ Bob Marley
And to declare martial law at the inevitable mass protests. Why is he bringing up the military????
Because he and #ConvictedFelon are dying to put boots on the ground to battle #WeThePeople #Resist
That’s why he 1. Sent ICE specifically to heavily blue cities. 2. Created a new dept specifically to persecute sanctuary cities. He wants to provoke incidents. He was big mad at the BLM protests, and part of his revenge for his insurrection being called illegal is to declare martial law after
I agree with these points completely.
He’s not this stupid. He’s pretending, which is worse.
But they can take care of his illegitimate power. Right JD? His illegal acts are not exempt.
This is a former Marine saying he doesn’t believe in the chain of command. From fellow Marine, we would have many words for this Devil Dog, clearly he wasn’t paying attention in Boot Camp.
JD Vance unscrupulously clawed his way out of a pit of poverty, and he has no intention of being anything close to that again. He is the most dangerous of them all, you'll see.
The cult don't like him!
I agree. Miller and voight are close but Vance is creepy.
Despite climbing out of the never-ending cycle of poverty, he has no empathy for those born into it. Additionally, considering class stratification, he made himself useful to those in power by doing whatever they wanted of him. I know these people; they'd off their own mothers to get ahead.
