I do it for the audience. Giving people facts. Letting gay and trans kids know they have allies willing to speak up.

Never wrestle a pig in shit. You both get covered in shit and the pig likes it.

George is world-wise. What passes today as debate is hardly so and more akin to the ad Hominem fallacies of a circular firing squad. philosophyterms.com/ad-hominem-f...

Granma said,"Never argue with a fool."

I’ve found debating MAGA is super easy when you start the conversation with, “So, do you defend pedophiles because you are human trash, or do you like diddling kids too?” Some may call that a clumsy attempt at building a straw man, but is it really?

Some will always be a pile of shit

MAGA, no matter their level of commitment, are all fucking trash. I think this will be the pervasive response from the MAGA faithful when it becomes common knowledge that Trump raped children.

Wow.

5: Violence.

You can't debate with a cult, you just have to let them leave on the asteroid in their sneakers and purple cloth

Their brains are shrunken, maggat walnuts. Nothing gets processed except more cult crap.

Poor Mehdi, lol

It's like trying to talk a heroin addict into quitting heroin. It simply doesn't work, and it's your fault for trying and not understanding the situation better.

Another reason why we need to just stop watching that damn channel. They did that to mehdi on purpose.

It's like arguing with missionaries.

It’s why I wish blue states could be their own country. Let the idiot red states have republicans. I want democracy.

Wow!!! Thank you for sharing this!!!

My dog is more receptive to logic and reason

Replace number four with another seven letter word- Divorce. I don't have time anymore for the people who embrace that criminal. I excise them from my life. They are dead.

Why debate a trunt?

It is really such a waste of energy.

There is simply no way to persuade someone with reason when it's the lack of reasoning skill that made them adopt those bad decisions in the first place.

If they haven’t caught on by now they never will. Lost causes.

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Dr. Mike was genuinely like this the entire Jubilee video. He's a great guy who kept his composure the entire time.

I don’t bother with debate. I just stoop to their level and insult everything about them. Eventually they will give up and also then they can no longer accuse us of being snowflakes.

I believe at least one of the four pictured said it: you're not debating to change the opponent's mind, but those of the onlookers.

Sorry, my mind is just reeling at the notion that George Takei knows who Kyle Kullinski is...

Yeah, straight to death threats is the only way forward with them. 😂😂💛

Save your strength, George. You do so much already! What an icon! Thank You!

They love and cherish their stupidity and BS and won’t be parted from it. I learned that long ago.

It's pronounced "Reich"

Yeah. ALWAYS. BLOCK. THE. TROLLS.

Yes, directly "debating" the right is a fool's errand because they're insincere interlocutors interested only in fakery, lying, rhetoric, not interested at all in delving into any real issue of fact or value. One may talk to reasonable people about conservatives, Republicans, but never to them.

One may want to listen to conservatives, Republicans from time to time just to stay up with their current rhetorical initiatives du jour, but then, again, analyze, evaluate, discuss those with reasonable, rational, mature people, never with conservatives, Republicans themselves. No point to that.

In the beginning, I tried. ALWAYS starting from a place of calmness, pointing to facts, and trying to be non confrontational. After almost 10 years of this, FUCK THEM, I'M DONE. 🤣🤣

When the debate goes nowhere, just remind them of egg prices. Again, "day one"...

There's only one stage with me. Disgust.

You can't educate the willfully ignorant

That’s what the block button is for. They’re not worth the time.

Screencap I took of a conversation with a Trump supporter from a few weeks ago.😑

"Yea but my weird uncle on Facebook says he read an article that he got from someone else that proves and aligns with my beliefs. Do your own research!" - every one of them

Never debate a willfully ignorant person (aka magat). They'll first drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. (with apologies to Mark Twain)

Hi, George. For me it's 3, 4, 2- I'm still in SHOCK & DENIAL that such a lowlife scumbag would even be ALLOWED to RUN, much less LIVE in OUR W.H. & MAKE DECISIONS affecting SO MANY & now aGAIN? #URKidding, rt?

This is also what it's like debating one of those so-called "Progressive Left" goons, slowly realizing that they're batshit insane and are incapable of critical thought. Sure, they'll say, "What's insane about wanting to give people healthcare", while refusing to acknowledge the fact that's not/

/even part of the equation. They believe that they'd be moderates anywhere else, but the stupid they speak will make thrm extremists literally anywhere with a democracy. They slander Democrats and stab Americans in the back every election to varying degrees.

It’s a short trip.

I understand all too well.

I don't want to go down their route of denying humanity to people, but in all honesty these fascists are subhuman.

Same I’ve given up on schooling them. I’ll just spread my info and let others spread it too

So many idiots, not enough axes

-Just pull the axes out of their bundles of sticks!

As well I’ve never.

The value of those debates isn't in converting the opposition; it's to show the apathetic, uninformed, and disengaged who these people are.

Pls tell me the first guy is not dr mike pls pls pls

@kylekulinskishow.bsky.social

Chronic delusional liars are impossible to talk to. You might as well debate with a dog. At least they will cock their heads to the side and pretend they are listening.

As granny said..CONSIDER THE SOURCE..MY ADDED...And Strut on..

Step1 they make stupid talking point attack, no facts. 2- you disprove using evidence & facts. Step 3- they ignore 4- you ask logical question to trap. 5- they ignore -6 make 2nd stupid actuation7- you dismantle8- they say “ fuck you jerk communist”8- you laugh 9- crickets as they return to Facebook

Did they do a test to see if she's human? #ReleasetheEpsteinFilesNOW #DeportIncelNAZIElmoLush #JailtheOrangePustule/BillionairesinCECOT #$ubprimeCourtReformsNOW

Kind of a toss up

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Neanderthals were human.

Yep, but she doesn't rate that high. #ReleasetheEpsteinFilesNOW #DeportIncelNAZIElmoLush #JailtheOrangePustule/BillionairesinCECOT #$ubprimeCourtReformsNOW

True. Here is her brother and sister triplets. Marjorie and her sister as you can see are identical.

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Every day, more stupid and more ugly, maybe the steroids? 🤔

Stupoids, then? A new version of humans.

lol

lol

Exactly why I don't speak to my MAGA brother, the Triple Trump voter. JFC! HOW are we from the same parents?

I quit speaking to most of my MAGAT family the first term. It was taking too much of a toll on me. Mostly extended, not close fam, but still. I cut those assholes off like a necrotic limb this second term of madness.

I SO get it. They're too far gone. The people losing their minds over abortion are the very ones who voted for the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon of 34 counts of business fraud. Most of them are "Jesus, this and Jesus that," too, which infuriates me more!

They're the biggest hypocrites around as a general rule. Thank god mine aren't holy rollers. Just moronic assholes.

I have MAGA siblings too. I wonder if I was switched and the hospital sent the wrong baby with my parents.

I have 1 sib (out of 4) that's a MAGA lite, but he's starting to kinda change his tune since it's really affecting his business - he's a contractor. The rest are just plain assholes. I have no sympathy for him and he knows that.

💯 I naively thought I could educate them for their sake. After numerous attempts, I concluded that my time and efforts were wasted for no good reason. I have up even trying. They would even argue about grammar by making up their own rules. So nobody needs to waste precious time.

They know about grammar?

Nope.

Yeah they thought he was a bit foppish but they liked his dad and the dog

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Same. Fuck em. Save your help for those who are willing to receive it.

@zoebrain.bsky.social will enter arguments, knowing for certain the other party will never listen in good faith, with the goal of informing the numerous bystanders and showing them that she is the reasonable one. She says it works sometimes.

Gave up

Ditto.

Brilliant!!!!

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into

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You can't debate with idiots

Exactly!!!

I have one old friend who I drifted away from years ago but we speak once a year and text for special events. Just found out she is total maga although she is Australian. She spewed every talking point. She’s a hermit, a hypochondriac and used to be a groovy hippy but the hypocritical kind-continued

She is mentally ill. We drifted apart because she had very strong negative opinions about things. She’d criticise buying juice and say you should squeeze from Organic 🍊 for your health - but smoked through her 🤰 🙄 She also let her kids be riddled with headlice and screams at them and her husband.

Any fact you give, they yell “fake news!” You remind them of his convictions, they say, “Joe Biden’s DOJ invented the charges because he hates trump!” It’s like banging your head against the wall!!!! The cult is hopeless. We avoid our friends and family to keep our sanity.

Just be as hostile as they are.

Stupid people are a waste of breath.

there is no point to debating with fascists. it is simply not a debatable topic as to whether or not human lives are important.

I no longer debate them, now I just refer to them as a "pedo cult" and "baby fuckers" and they block me.

You left out the 5th stage ANGER

I do not bother any longer, I block them; online AND in real life. I have let many people go and my mental health is much better for it.

I also drift in and out of confusion

Agreed

Debating people that refuse to accept facts is pointless.

It's easy to demolish them in debate, but like the Knight in Monty Python with his arms and legs cut off, they refuse to acknowledge defeat.

"It's just a flesh wound...". 😀

Best advice EVER for dealing with idiots!

I have a good counter to "beating me with experience"...

So very true and I wasted way too much time trying to make people see facts. Now I just tell them that they are old enough to think for themselves.

Not me. Always ready to get down in the mud with the goofy right-wingers.

You can't dialog with a fascist.

You can't win an argument with a stone.

When conversations get heated, I stop and ask them two questions : "Are you human?" And the 2nd one is "Am I human?". This helps to break the spell and makes people realize how much they have in common and how human needs are something that should not be played down.

Straight to 'Don't Bother' ..

I debate them for a hobby, sport. It just takes finess a little patience and most usually give up. But a few concede and even eventually agree. Truth is on our side.

there are no two sides to a debate with nazis

I thought it was deflection instead of dispear.

1. Hard core Magats don't know. (Fox) 2. They don't want to know. 3. If they knew it wouldn't matter. Anyone stupid enough to vote against their own interests is a dangerous idiot.

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There is no debating with the right, they've been groomed too heavily into their way of alleged 'thinking' that they are not open to debate, only open to spouting their vile rhetoric and vitriol...

You cannot have a meaningful debate with members of a cult of any type.

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Debating fascists has never and will never be anything except a waste of time and energy.

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Don't forget #5. Disdain

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Yep I gave it up in November 2024. You can't fix stupid.

Can't debate with people who don't subscribe to facts, logic, or reason.

It’s easier to fool someone, than convince them they are being fooled 💅

I really shouldn't, but it's funny until....stage 4.

When you realize that they want to be mierable and spread misery....it's better to not even bother.

Why is Steven Kenneth Bonnel II, the sex-pest and crypto-fascist present in this meme?

I get that but I feel if no one says anything then their echo chambers will only get louder. I feel a dissenting voice might stop a naive person being sucked into their groupthink cult

The mental gymnastics they do! I overheard a MAGA today saying the Epstine files aren't a big deal. He said Trump is 100% in them and a pedophile, but he's not a threat to society, so its ok. That literally was his take on it. It's ok to be a pedophile if it was in the past.

Shout out to @samseder.bsky.social who is at least entertaining and informative in the attempt.

Sam is great. He makes 90 minutes of my job more tolerable.

Yer fairly prolific online, G...

The only advantage these formats have, is to wake people up. Too much people are still in the denial stage and they still think the situation not as bad in the US. And now you see people reacting “Wow, is it that bad?” Well yeah, Trump didn’t got elected by magic, he got elected by fascists.

Fascists get elected by fascist. The US has a serious fascist and racist undercurrent.

Yep! Me too….😏

Don't teach a pig to sing. It frustrates you and Annoys the pig.

Why debate them when you can just shun and ignore them?

It would be one thing if partisan politics was about two (or more) parties disagreeing and negotiating over differences in how to best serve society. The problem is, we have an entire political establishment that has no interest in serving anyone but themselves and their golden calf.

And, of course, as soon as anyone points out that their job is to serve the whole of society, they throw a tantrum and start flinging 💩.

🤢 the stink of such a mission adheres to your mind/body for at least 24 hours thereafter

You can Educate the Ignorant, but you can't fix STUPID 🏳️

They don't live in reality.

There really is no point!

I really hate the fact that Destiny has good points occasionally.

They're unredeemable. Work on the 3rd of the country that DIDN'T VOTE.

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You can't appeal to decency and empathy that they don't have.

Sometimes, it helps to ask, "Where did you hear that?" or "What are the actual numbers?". Then, run.

At my Tesla Takedown, almost nobody is still trying to defend Elon Musk. We used to get counter protesters, but they've been gone for months. Now we only get deranged people flipping us off or even shouting things like "Heil Hitler" from their cars. Way to beat the Nazi allegations. 🤷

Don't share a table with those who defend the indefensible.

STOP DEBATING. Start discussions. We should all know by now that when most of us are confronted with facts that disagree with our beliefs, we don't face facts; we double down on our beliefs. youtu.be/WvgOvvHFoDE?...

Mark Twain WARNED YOU FUCKERS!! He WARNED US ALL!! Do NOT engage with IDIOTS!!

It's so difficult to have a game or war of wits with the witless...

Conservatism is a form of mental illness.

Big Unc Sam

Like many cult members before them, they can be deprogrammed. Just ask Ginni Thomas, maga isn’t her first.

Nope. You can't fix stupid.

Ever tried debating a cultist? It's not possible: a debate is usually on ONE topic at a time. When TrumPedo (R) cultists are pressed on indefensible issues, they follow a pattern (you can try this yourself at home if you live near cultists): First, they "whatabout": "Well, BIDEN did something once."

Then, if confronted with "Epstein raped little girls; does that make it OK for others, then, by your logic?" they will defend with the second defense: deflection. Second, deflection: "Well, extrajudicial kidnapping without due process is ok because immigrants are taking our jobs and eating our pets:

you saw how an immigrant killed someone once!" If pressed on how the unrelated thing is somehow a justification for the bad thing, they may resort to the third and final defense: attacking. With no logical retort, the cultist may enrage and verbally attack the debater ad hominem, issuing a screed

about how terrible the questioner is for questioning Dear Leader in the first place, and how the questioner MUST be some kind of ___ (insert insult here: usually liberal, democrat or socialist) Try this and see if it follows the same pattern every time for YOU as well! "Fascinating" --Spock. 😁

I see your wisdom

I don’t bother, I refuse to waste 1 second of my time on a brainwashed “stupid” gop maggaSS republican, If stupids want the truth, they can look up facts for themselves

No arguing with stupid.... 😔

Never attempt a rational discussion with MAGAs, antivaxxers or the drunk at the corner of the bar.

Or RFKjr

I mean he’s kinda all three

True. Then think a panel of Alex Jones, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Candace Owens & baboon.

The baboon will author "Of Men and Money" before the others learn anything at all.

Rotflmao

You can explain but you can’t make them understand.

There's value in entertaining oneself, unless it's close family.

We need to stop platforming these people. This isn't normal. They are not worth listening to.

On main stream media at least since they never seem to push back these days. Just call them out on their bullshit and stop accepting their deflections. Just demand they answer the question you asked or turn off the mic and camera.

The Far right - to be clear.

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It’s never good faith. They just have talking points

Mehdi Hasan's "Questioning My Life Choices" face is a boon to memers everywhere.

Jubilee should rebrand Surrounded as "Show Us Who You Are"

We have different categories of MAGA. MAGA Lite, Medium and In Deep. Brainwashed people need deprogramming. Religious zealots, lost cause. White Supremacists, generational indoctrination. Save who we can and just let the others eat themselves

Since I’m probably the first comment on this post. I want to say thank you George for your work on Star Trek and advocacy. #LLAP

My dad would’ve said, it’s like teaching a pig to sing. It’s a waste of time and it annoys the pig.

Yeah, debates don't do anything when your opponent lives in a fantasy of their own imagination (and hatred).

Can’t logic with a cult

Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired

So, so true.

William Lloyd Garrison, "With reasonable men I will reason, with humane men I will plead". He went on to say he wouldn't waste time with others.

Wise

You cannot outsmart those that can outstupid you. The ONLY way to win is to not play their games.

He spelled nazis wrong.

Can’t argue with crazy!!

I agree - not worth my breath.

I hunk I’m just now reaching a point somewhere between shock and despair

They live in a different universe. Its the only explanation.

When I’ve attempted meaningful debate and conversation on social media with a liberal it usually ends with me being called some derogatory slur and getting blocked

Depends on your definition of liberal. Most liberals here are just other countries centrists. With a few notable exceptions. Every group has their nut jobs.

Agreed

At the end of the day, who gives a shit what a Nazi thinks? Who wants to waste time trying to change a fascists' mind? They're not worth your time or energy. This ain't American History X, they're not going to change. Work on those who only voted out of desperation or brainwashing and now regret it.

The Repugs are lost to common sense and the truth. They cannot be reached. We have to out live them.

I have family who have “died”, I don’t remember them. MAGA is oblivion.

I don't "debate" the "right" for the same reason I don't deliberately step in dog shit. That and any attempt with them is futile, it's not a "debate" they want, it's an argument and then agreement, no matter how disgusting and demonstrably false their views happen to be.

It's not worth it. My nephew's wife passed and I'm not going to the funeral because he is all about trump

Old school fascist debate.

We should be able by now to say that that’s not necessarily true… My grandfathers both fought for the US, but some of the largest nazi rallies were held in New York and Toronto, Hitler credited America for several of his warfare tactics, and the right arm salute came from American middle schools.

We’ve always been the bad guys. And now the rest of the world has allowed reckoning to befall us, as they should.

You don't debate with Nazis

MAGA debates you while they scream with fingers in each ear. Eradicate #MAGA ~

Very appropriate

One does not debate with willful ignorance; one exposes it.

If someone is debating for the right, they are debating for child rape and concentration camps.

Most of the MAGAs will go to their graves proudly wearing their red hats.

There is nothing to be gained.

You cannot argue with Stupid!