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A pardon doesn’t excuse her from testifying. It just means she can’t be prosecuted for her answers. She also loses her 5th Amendment rights on the matter. Her perjuring herself would still be prosecutable. I don’t think it’s quite the out people are thinking it is.
I'm sure the big "out" for Ghislaine is getting out of jail. What happens after that, she certainly has some perjury & potentially defamation risk if she lies. Certainly horrible that he's considering pardons in light of the huge numbers of abuse victims
Oh, it’s a big out for *her*. It’s just not as much of an out for him.
Too bad we don’t have one of those.
Who is going to stop him at this point?
He did that in Trump 1.0, and the slightly more independent DOJ helped.
Nothing is independent in the USA. The DoJ, FBI, SCOTUS… all bend the knee to the demented pedo dictator.
He’s been allowed to do anything he wants. When you’re Donald Trump they let you do it, they let you grab the entire constitution by the p***y.
little known fact the constitution is female
Makes sense. Probably why there’s no accountability for violating it.
3rd degree burn alert
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As if not being allowed has ever stopped him before...
Well, fortunately for him, he doesn't have an independent DOJ. He's ensured that every department head has been placed in office simply to do his bidding.
The American presidency has way too much power.
Americans are indoctrinated to treat the President as a god figure, not as a public servant. It's dumb and dangerous for the exact reasons we've seen unfolding in the last 6 months.
What part of "Trump doesn't give a fuck about laws and rules" don't you comprehend, He'll do it anyway and give us the finger while doing it, because he totally believes he's above the law.
Pardon for not talking? Hmmm … distrustful Donald?
The problem is they would 'advise'. He doesn't follow advice.
Tell us you're a pedophile documented in the Epstein files without telling us you're a pedophile documented in the Epstein files. #guilty #again
He can do anything he wants. It’s infuriating and sickening.
Merrick Garland had FOUR years to prosecute Trump's SPYING, Insurrection, election interference and let him walk. Epstein happened all before with pedo Trump was President and then Epstein died under Trump as President.
Under the current Unitary Executive Theory, as propounded by the six Justices, he is allowed to do damned near anything he wants to. Shouldn't be, but is.
Gang of Pedos
Actually, his pardon power is absolute. Which is why there should be a constitutional amendment.
If they were willing to kill two people just to fake an assassination attempt then having Ghislaine Maxwell implicate everyone EXCEPT Donald Trump is child’s play. Pun intended
He Will do it and nothing is gonna stop him because - shithole banana republic..
And John Roberst sanctified through the power of the Suckpreme Court that Donnie is above the law such a fucking bizarre cartoon we are all living at this moment a nation built upon laws but laws for only some
John Roberts is so corrupt of course he’s protecting Trump
But, the Department of InJustice is on Donaldson side now. He has his own private police agency. With Lawyers and Judges included!
Probably part of the reason why he doesn’t have an independent DOJ.
Pedos say the darndest things!!!!
Only Trump pardons sex offenders, why ? Because he is one.
Donald J Trump: "he is allowed to give Ghislaine "GLOBAL-pedo-sex-trafficker" Maxwell a pardon. IMO this sends a message to "the world pedo-league" that "your secret is safe with trump and his wonderful handlers". Remember "everyday is a wonderfully covered up secret regarding the shared interests"
Whether he does or not if he thinks Epstein will go away he is an idiot, especially Murdoch is obviously no longer on his side. Seems like there are photos, tapes, videos and texts besides a 1000 potential witnesses None of which are constrained by whether Epstein file open or not.
not that a pardon would protect her. It comes with it some certain limitations. You are, for example, no longer to plead the 5th on items pertaining to the pardon, even if they are incriminating for another case. But really, I'd be worried I'd end up hanging with Jeff again real soon, just sayin...
You're not allowed to steal classified documents and store them the shitter at your overpriced motel, either. But, hey, it's a brave new world.
If only not staying within the boundaries of the law had any consequences for him.
Exactly. So tired of people talking about the law within the context of anything this man does; he and his government have already ignored several direct judges orders. So what...we'll have one more order he'll ignore. And then what? What NOW? That's what people need to be discussing.
And unfortunately not only in the USA. Germany for example....
See also: all those articles about "he's losing popularity with his base!" No he fucking isn't. That's never going to happen. Hopium is very dangerous, it'll prevent us from preparing properly for what's coming.
100% agree with both of you.
That's why I cannot stand those channels like MeidasTouch with their headlines like, "Trump PANICS as his CHOICES CATCH UP!" "Trump REELS as his ENTIRE WORLD CRUMBLES!" Pure, unfiltered hopium right there making people complacent. It's NOT helpful.
didn't he fire the pardon attorney "for just because?"
I disagree with you since the ruling came down from the Supreme Court granting the president immunity. They also mentioned in that order that the presidential patdon is absolute and we can’t even ask him about why he granted a pardon.
The law has never stopped him so far. Is something going to change after he pardons her?
A key part of “abuse of power” is the “abuse”. You can’t abuse a power you don’t already have, so defending yourself by claiming to have the power is meaningless.
He didn't actually say that. He couldn't have, right? He's not actually that insane, right?
That’s why he wouldn’t appoint one
There is no independence... thats the point of a dictatorship.
If he pardons her, I really wonder how his base would react
Lying pedo rapists gotta stick together.
So our tax dollars are PAYING to fly a pedo sex offender to his golf course in SCOTLAND , while he negotiates a pardon and cover up for the woman who is a traitor to her gender pedo groomer. Another reason to IMPEACH REMOVE AND JAIL TRUMP AND HIS CABINET PLEASE JOIN CITIZEN IMPEACHMENT.COM
When you're able to stack the government with people more loyal to you than the country you really can do anything you want.
Well, since we don't have a competent individual DOJ...
An independent what now?
Leavitt's sunglasses can't stay up on her remodeled nose
Pardoning Guylaine Maxwell??!!! Wtf … ah yes pedo pardoning a pedo
If we had a real sheriff in town pedofurher you would not be allowed to do it
He is allowed, and it can be to obstruct justice. He can do whatever we allow him to do. So far “we” are allowing absolutely everything.
www.nytimes.com/2024/06/18/u...
That won’t stop him!
The only remedy to a lawless president is impeachment and he gives more reason every day to pursue it.
It seems ‘allowed’ doesn’t pertain anymore. He is doing a lot he is not allowed to do.
Trump pardoning her if she said he had nothing to do with Epstein was a stone cold lock the instant I heard her name come up. I'm glad he's dragging it out tho so MAGA can marinate in all their glorious hypocrisy! 😂
If MAGA goes along then they are too far gone to be saved
Roger Stone, pre2016 campaign Trail. They use Twitter to see what was acceptable. From that, came policy ideals. It’s no different now. Maybe I will/won’t rhetoric is testing waters. Depending likes/comments is how he governs. It’s no different than the post below. P2025 is the admin. He’s a face
A Trump pardon to Ghislaine is an admission of guilt. There is no other possible reason for it.
We’re in an era of unchecked executive power. Telling Trump he "can’t use pardons to obstruct justice" misses the point—his administration blurred those lines from Day 1. The idea of an independent DOJ vanished the moment he took office.
Unfortunately, this Supreme Court has put Presidential crimes above the law. Definitely impeachable though. As soon as this Republicon Congress is gone.
He way well be "allowed to do it", but it does rather starkly expose what he thinks is acceptable and should be allowed, not that that wasn't already clear after his mob rule pardons for the Jan 6 insurrectionists. It's a shame that the presidential pardon power has no protective scrutiny to it.
The rule of law is dead so long as he is not...
He would just claim Official Act
Who even considers something like that?
Spoken like the absolute nonce that he is. #PaedoTrump
she got the bad news on DT and he will have to pardon her to keet her mouth shut about hium I think anyway maybe not
What does he care? The MAGA court has his back.
He's already got a history of using pardons to reward loyalty.
*he's going to do it
He's "allowed" to do whatever he wants because no one ever stops him.
The actions of a very guilty man
"My DOJ" = "My lawyers"
He's CEO Daddy and his AG answers to him, not the American people or the Constitution.
Yup. Nothing says GUILTY like issuing pardons.
With all due respect, Mr. Takei... Trump has clearly established that the president CAN use pardons to obstruct justice, with zero meaningful consequences. This is why the field of law has and continues to be an utter joke.
“An independent DOJ.”
Anything he does will make it worse, his only solutions are shitty and shittier. Resign and flee to Russia.
Bwahahaha. Independent DOJ 🤣🤣🤣
No, he really is allowed to use pardons to obstruct justice, and has done so successfully in the past and gotten reelected. But not only would an independent DoJ advise against it, he'd be using the pardon to suborn perjury, and wouldn't satisfy half of the MAGAs or Qs.
Who needs an independent DOJ when you have your own SCOTUS?
Yes, but we don’t have an independent DOJ.
I don't think that's right, George. The Constitution places no limits on the President's pardon authority. It would unethical to use a pardon to obstruct justice and immoral to pardon an industrial level child sex trafficker, but I think he's allowed to do it. And Congress should impeach.
You are thinking of checks and balances aren’t you? Trump will be removing all of them.
He'll do what he wants, because he knows nobody's going to stop him.
Trump believes in the Divine Right of Kings. He's a frigging Republican!
He always has equated legality with morality. If he can get away with it? He considers it moral.
At least there’s no doubt about what he’s planning to do.
Well, good thing the DOJ isn't independent then! That would really interfere with all the blatant corruption happening, and make it hard for the brogliarchy to use the power of the executive to run roughshod over the American people. Every other president was boring. No vision and all ethics -blech🙄
And who’s going to hold him accountable even if he does? We are truly lost!
Independent DOJ. 😂😂😂
Sadly, he is now allowed to do exactly this - because SCOTUS made him immune from prosecution over official core duty actions. Issuing pardons is a core duty.
He is 100% considering a pardon. He said the same thing before eventually pardoning Flynn and Manafort.
If that's true then Biden is in a lot of trouble. He pardoned everyone who could rat out his crimes.
He seems to have forgotten that no one – not even the president – is above the law. But he's been able to get away with so much because no one is holding him accountable. If there was even a shred of accountability, he would be in jail and not in the white house, but alas, by crooks and for crooks.
Was she convicted in state or federal court?
Federal.
Lock him up!
You ARE allowed to, right up to your impeachment.
effing idiot. It won't help you or Maxwell, Donold
They should ask him why he'd ever pardon her considering the crimes she was convicted of. Get him to explain that.
Great point George!
Dems should say NOW: If any of these occurs, Trump must be impeached. 1) files released, show T had sex with minors 2) becomes clear T knew JE was a pedo & remained his friend 3) we learn T aides worked to destroy incriminating files 4) T pardons pedo sex trafficker Maxwell Put Rs on the spot.
Problem is the judicial system is allowing him to fo whatever he wishes!
Weird how everyone so concerned about Biden standing next to children in public with 75 cameras pointed at him is suddenly interested in changing the subject. Fucking cowards and traitors. All of them.
if Maxwell is pardoned, she can't take the 5th in any congressional hearings. The Republicans are already switching sides, and boy oh boy just wait til they come back from recess after getting an earful from their constituents: apnews.com/article/epst...
Serious Q: did Maxwell have operations internationally? If so, could she be extradited and charged elsewhere?
I suspect that if trump pardoned her, he'd not allow an extradition (somehow, and probably illegally).
He'd probably have her...ahem... suicided
It had crossed my mind. She'd be wise to avoid the tea and open windows and ...
Great Q. I sure hope you get some answers from people who may truly know the answers.
British police have reviewed allegations, which emerged from a Channel 4 News investigation, that Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell sexually abused, trafficked, and groomed women and girls in Britain over a decade. I think Epstein Island is technically part of the US Virgin Islands.
But do the British police have the balls to do anything (and I speak as a Brit)
That's what I'm talking about! Perhaps the more this info is shared the sooner the British gov can make a move. There's room for an international deal here...
He has immunity— he IS allowed to do it. I encourage him to do it. It’ll certainly please his base.
I remember when shit like this actually mattered. Now it's a SCOTUS sanctioned free-for-all
Since when does this narcissistic felon listen to legal advice?
Let the nice man commit the impeachable offense.
Sounds good in theory, but whether he does this or not, he'll still commit three impeachable offenses before lunch. And will be held accountable for exactly none of them.
He will though. He doesn't give a feathery fuck about the law.
He really cares about the law, but only in the respect of trying to avoid it coming after him.
He just ignores the law though. He'll serve no time in prison whatsoever.
Only by leveraging either friends or blackmailing people
He's one the exceptions I make to my "I don't really believe in hell", one of my set of personal beliefs. The hotter and nastier the better.
He may have done a couple of million things that he isn't "allowed" to do. Yet he's now president.
Let him the various laws being violated warrant so many more laws to be written. Republicans continue these illegal activities. Eventually public will learn price of not voting.
I would love it if this were true, but it’s not. Pardoning is a core Presidential power. The Supreme Court’s immunity decision holds that a President is immune from prosecution for exercising core powers. Trump can use pardons to obstruct justice. That shouldn’t be the law, but it is.
Just how many Trumps are in those files? Did Ivana prowl for teen girls with Ghislaine? Ivanka modelled for John Casablancas a pedophile and sexual abuser. What quid pro quo got Ivanka modelling jobs because her looks don't compare to other models? What did Don Jr and Eric get up to at pageants?
States crimes can not be pardoned
That's what I've been wondering. If she's pardoned she'd get picked up on state charges and then all of the evidence would have to be turned over to the state. I haven't heard any lawyers weigh in on this so I'm guessing, but I think it's a good guess.
However. He appears to do exactly what he wants with no consequences
Sure, but he can't stop the state from charging her. And he can't prevent disclosure. He can try, but it's not as President, but as a defendant which SCOTUS says he can't do. 🤷
That's what I have been thinking exactly. Wish I had paid better attention with the Grisham novels. (Maybe I should have watched L.A. Law.)
I doubt even Bondi knows the full ramifications.
Katie Johnson had to dropped her civil lawsuit against the 2 p*dos because of threats against her & her family. But I am waiting for Letticia James as the AG of NY for state crimes if she will investigate.
No American should ever use the term "Checks and Balances" unironically ever again.
He is president - he can do whatever he pleases thanks to the Supreme Court…
Unfortunately an independent DOJ is a thing of the past.
That's right. He's not allowed to do it, but were he to do it, who's going to stop him? The US has no checks and balances anymore.
Sadly, the power of the pardon is one of the President’s core powers under the Constitution and this Supreme Court has said he has absolute immunity for his acts within his core power.
If only not staying within the boundaries of the law had any consequences for him
And his response would be: what if I do it anyway? As he did when he was told that hiring Jared was illegal.
Emoluments clause went in the circular bin alongside the Hatch Act and the Constitution.
Would be fun to see Maxwell extradited to the UK once Donald pardons her. ofc, the USA will then want to leave the USA / UK alliance, the last active friendship the USA has...
He only thinks about himself only! Nobody cares about his victims or others done by his associates! Anything to take away the possibility of being charged for crimes!
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