"no one has ever GONE," not "no one has ever BEEN."

The same thing happened to Columbus, and Captain Cook.

Well, there was that first-season episode of TNG where they wound up several galaxies over. I don't recall them finding any native life forms there.

Except they specifically mention the starship Enterprise and its mission, so "new" and "no one" obviously refers to the Federation. Seeking out new civilisations means there are people there, it's the whole point.

Nope. It's "where no man has gone before", not where no one has gone before". Check your hearing aids.

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Haha.

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Now, what does that remind us of?

We talk of a universe where a crack in time and space make a whole galaxy start to sing like it was a musical...i think the "someone already here" is the least strange thing here XD

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Much like the European explorers of the golden age.

I count upwards of 30 TOS episodes where literally no human appears to have gone before, as stated either explicitly or shown implicitly in the ep. The list starts with (unsurprisingly) "Where No Man Has Gone Before." Also, lots of eps were set solely in space, so they're kind of indeterminate.

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Like when white people went out and "discovered" the rest of the world.

They didn’t go there, they were already there. That’s the point.

Why do all of the strange new worlds look like Canada?

Because they're beautiful & lucky!😉

Originally, it was: "...where no man has been before...". Man, being mankind. Unfortunately, Picard screwed that up, in the Next Generation, by changing it to: "...no one has been before...". Should have stuck with Kirk's version, or updated to "...no human...". Quatermass never had this problem..!

Well most of the time it wasn't anybody the crew knew.

LOL - it's a human thing. With plenty of precedent. Ask any indigenous population anywhere on earth.

Same with Cristopher Columbus.

Gene L. Coon had already shattered that glass ceiling when NBC aired S2, E17-“A Piece Of The Action” on 1/12/1968.

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Honestly it is key to say "no MAN (should include WOMAN, just say HUMAN) has gone before"

Cap't Kirk: 'do you have a flag..?"

I felt the same way about the Moon. I'm sure somebody was there at some time, but Apollo was just a matter of bad timing.

Yeah what's up with that?? 🤔😆

If I remember correctly they go were no "men" has gone before and are usually correct.

"to boldly go where no man has gone before!" Women be like…

Like fly fishing in America.

🤣 I can relate to that.

That's because nothing interesting happens in the places without someone else. Those would make for some boring episodes.

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Sounds like when America was discovered. 😁

Kind of like how Europeans kept "discovering" places filled with natives?

But ask the folks that the Enterprise runs into they weren't there, they were always right here. Its starfleet who came from "there".

That's a truth I always knew in the my brain's back yard but never really thought about. Until now. Of course, the storytelling would suffer a bit when the crew realized there was no sign of life within 200 light years.

And don’t be wearing a Red Shirt!

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Very true!

Going where no one (from our civilization) has gone before. It's implied.

But you said you were boldly going where no MAN had gone before! And generally speaking there were indeed no humans there.

There are a bunch of TOS episodes where they visit alien worlds that have already been colonized, crash landed on, or previously been visited by humans.

Very true but more with aliens!

Or at least half of all humans. Because I'm not so sure if that also included women? I mean, Captain Kirk never seemed to have much trouble finding _them_. Both human and alien.

Did seem to be quite the trope really, especially in TNG where they often seemed to commute between stations, outposts and whatnot, wasn't until Voyager that they literally did go where nobody had been before, at least, people from the UFP, though "The Equinox" kind of ruined that part... 😂

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Am I imagining this episode or was there really a storyline about an alien planet where the people were half black and half white, and they were fighting each other because some of them were white on the right side and some of them were black on the right side??? 😱

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I would say that the mission failed, but the program succeeded.

That’s how the British Empire worked.

The story of humanity

Imagining a version of the show where half the crew is basically botanists, and they have exciting geology-focused dramas at each stop.

I would love this

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It was where women had been before. No man. 😉

She obviously forgot Ceti Alpha V—there was no one there.

I always applauded the switch from "no man" to "no one" (and of course I still do) till someone pointed out to me precisely this problem. I guess "to boldly go where no human or part-Vulcan has gone before" doesn't quite roll off the tongue. Of course the split infinitive is 🧑🏽‍🍳💋.

The classic Trek parody STAR TREK: THE PEPSI GENERATION has a fun take on that monologue - I won’t spoil it, so here ‘tis… :)

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To boldly go where 'we' haven't gone before!

Yes, "to boldly go where humankind has never gone before" would solve the problem. Alas it would solve the problem while sounding awful.

To boldly go where the Federation has never been before

Does it or are we just not used to it?

“To go boldly where humankind has never..?”

Are we unsplitting an infinitive in the year of our Lord two thousand twenty and five? Really?

To badly go to check out that thing over yonder

Boldly*

"Space, the final frontier where we can blunder in and face the unknown! The cadets go first!"

"where no peeps haz been"

😄 This reminds me of one of the questions in a game I created for my daughter's graduation party (she got her BA in linguistics):

Boldly going to Tombstone, Arizona circa 1881... Boldly going to New York City circa 1930... Boldly going to Cape Canaveral circa 1968... Boldly going to Omaha, Nebraska circa late 60s... Boldly going to San Francisco circa 1986...

Backlot 1966...

But... did they have a flag? youtu.be/_9W1zTEuKLY

about 99% of the time, true. But since they mostly visit "M class" planets which are conducive to life, what else would you expect?

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Captain’s Log, supplemental. The Enterprise has spent the past star month surveying Class M planets at the frontier of Federation Space. So far, 227 planets … and no life! Boring! Spock argues it is logical to ‘Genesis the lot, and notes that, starting from zero, no Prime Directive to interfere.

I always thought they should have changed from “where no man has gone before” to “where no human has gone before.”

That's pretty much the "indigenous people don't count as people because they're not Christian" doctrine that drove a lot of settler colonialism and atrocities. "Nobody" includes the folks who live in those places because they can't be anybody important.

Star Trek Deep Space 9 actually addresses this issue in a conversation between Bashir and Kira. Bashir is waxing on about going to the primitive frontiers of federation space, and Kira knocks him back a few pegs.

If nobody has gone there that's different than people already being there because they didn't go there when they were already there

Things that make you go hmmm...

That falls more under the "seek out new life and new civilizations" category.

And now all I can think of is We Didn't Start the Series for some reason.

Amazing how fast those transporter beams get one there!

They always spoke perfect English, too. Which I found nice of them.

Universal translators devices

That's the spirit 👍

That's not so surprising if we ponder european colonisation of the non-european workd.

It's a lot like saying someone from Europe discovered America. They didn't discover jack. There were literally millions of people here already. It's all perspective. It's somewhere Earth humans had never gone before.

But if the planet is pre-space travel, no one has ever gone there. They were just...there. Thankfully, the humans of that time period have gotten all the colonialist dickery out of their systems before making contact.

Was about to make this point, but glad that you got there first 👍🏻.

Where nobody on this ship has gone before.

"In Star Trek, they boldly go where no one has gone before... and immediately get told they're trespassing." Captain’s Log: We've discovered a new planet. Correction: We've been discovered by the planet’s HOA president

Captains Log: The HOA president is now one of my many legion of interstellar partners 😆

should be: To boldly go where no human landlord has claimed rent yet.

Or where no being has yet decided they could section up the planet, and sell it piece by piece.

Exactly. First contact always ends with first contracts. Starfleet: explorers by name, real estate agents by behavior. If the Prime Directive had a loophole, it would be marked "zoning rights".

But it would be a bit silly if the purpose of the mission was "to boldly go where no one is".

Best StarTrek observation ever.

Perspective is everything. It reminds me that we really know very little about the history of the word. History, as it is told, is just a perspective.

Star trek is bloody marvellous.

And that was the point.

It’s kind of like what Columbus did.

To seek out new civilizations…..

No humans have gone before - but there are alien species there. 👽

If they’re native there, then they are not alien. The humans are.

You have a point there. But they're alien to US.

True, you never hearing a crew member saying that the trip out was a monumental waste of time.

Don't forget in the original Star Trek it was specifically to 'boldly go where no MAN has gone before'!

Yeah, like Europeans ‘discovering’ America

To really be fair you would have to point out that it was originally where no man had gone before where "man" stood for mankind, the human race. But we have to dumb it down for the PC police and the uneducated.

Ah. It was always the soft power colonial mindset. It was still far preferable to other ideologies around then and now.

Well, I doubt that going to the far reaches of the galaxy to bravely and boldly analyze and record gasses, dust, and rocks for plants and microbes would make for a very entertaining tv show.

I beg to differ I think that would be a cool TV show.

It was! Space 1999, UK/Australian show where the characters explored other planets' geology and biology precisely to see if they could sustain life as an alternative to living on half a moon flying through space...

Would it have worked in the late 60's though?