EXCLUSIVE: A top Democratic strategist has launched new policy research and messaging hub, called Searchlight, with a goal of pushing the party toward the most effective, broadly popular positions.
EXCLUSIVE: A top Democratic strategist has launched new policy research and messaging hub, called Searchlight, with a goal of pushing the party toward the most effective, broadly popular positions.
We should also be looking at the 2024 election. Election Truth Alliance research shows significant voting irregularities in at least two swing states. Trump may not have won the 2024 election. Not sure why this isn't gaining more traction. See: electiontruthalliance.org
Is Jentleson really a top strategist?
no
Accommodation of far-right positions does not work. www.cambridge.org/core/journal...
Even Colin from Portsmouth can explain why that is: IT's CONFUSING!!1 www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMlW...
Cheneyfication of the Democratic Party Thread: bsky.app/profile/idio...
Dems need to give us single payer healthcare, college, housing and food. Period. And stop taking money from Israel. They are fucking CLOWNS WITH THIS BULLSHIT.
This is a class war stupid. We need a think tank for the working class and not for the GD Neoliberals. Abandon the damn DNC
Easy. Move left.
Not left or right but human, which is what Democrats did when they gave use social security, Medicare & Medicaid, civil rights, voting rights, SNAP, basically every human rights that trump and the republicans are destroying.
Debbie, the Dems brought us those things but then slowly stopped supporting them because of big money, big donors, and lobbyists dragging them to the right. To fight Trump they need to move left. But that is a move they can't afford.
No, it's about moving Left.
That's what left is
that’s all leftist positions the longer we avoid OWNING the title of leftist and attaching them to broadly supported, popular positions is more time we spend losing
Uh huh www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-...
Pick a side, all social justice programs come from the left.
Yeah, those are all left, Debbie. You want the country to move left, you've just been made scared to say it.
This weird simping is exactly the opposite of what you should do if you want them to improve. The time to thank elected officials for minimally doing their job is never. There are always more things for them to do, and it is always our job to demand it relentlessly.
None of those were programs the Democrats came up with. They were all Democratic compromises TO THE LEFT. Socialists gave us all of those things and would have done much more if we'd had the chance.
Left is pro-human. Right is anti-human. Hope that clears things up for you.
The current crop of Dems didn't deliver on any of this. Quite a few have been instrumental in rolling these reforms back. Feels like I'm reading about how "Republicans freed the slaves" every time I hear a Democrat talk about the New Deal.
What Democrats have been up to recent: www.erininthemorning.com/p/37-democra...
No they did not give us any of that, community and labor organizing did. The Democratic Party had to be dragged by the legs into supporting any of it and then tacked their name on after the fact.
Social security was likely designed by communist members of FDR’s cabinet, along with national programs that weren’t passed like universal healthcare, rent control, and food pricing. We talk about the 1930s as being the most progressive era in US history. That’s because the left had power here.
Oh so a bunch of left stuff ok
That's left. That all came from the left fighting for a better world.
Yeah you’re describing the political space to the left of the current democrats
That's left
You've just described the left. None of those are it have been centrist positions.
Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid, civil rights, voting rights, SNAP...these are LEFTist policies. If you like them, that's great. But the right does not believe in giving people social benefits nor does it like civil rights. These policies come from the Left.
That’s to the left
Not debating. Voters have to be constantly reminded with specifics because not all are politically astute. Many “think” these things just magically happened, taking for granted what they have.
Human is left, actually. Dems abandoned human when they refused to hold a primary and tired to force a genocidal fascist on the public (and lost for that choice)
those are all fucking left policies…
In most places sure these would be things that would be uncontroversial but in the US anything that involves people not dying of starvation in police custody is a left wing position and I think it might be important to realize how inherently right wing the US fundamentally is
No, those things are very much Leftist and it's critical you understand why.
Debbie, all those things are Left things.
Yeah, so Leftism.
no. The left fought for those
You are right. We need the party to be a lot more FDR and a lot less billionaire megadonor. i/e - more left.
The Democratic Party civil war continues. @aoc.bsky.social @davidhogg.bsky.social @repjasmine.bsky.social @chriscillizza.bsky.social @chrislhayes.bsky.social
We need more fences like that. Democrats always seem to be reticent to advertise their politics. I wonder why that is? My theory is that it's because Ds always keep the "many" in mind, don't want to offend, be obnoxious or push beliefs onto others. Something like that. Agree?
They don’t want their personal property damaged or their lives threatened by rabid truth-denying fascism lovers.
Yes! It's about time! This gives me hope. It's a new political landscape and the old ways no longer apply.
They had 4 years under Biden, and they sat on their asses doing nothing. After the election, they still sat with no messaging that works. Now they feel it's time to launch a money burning political research study that they won't follow ? WtACTUALF DEM LEADERSHIP is the 2025 oxymoron of the year
Then quit talking about Biden or Harris! Move on.
Stop pretending Dem “strategists” are Dems. The Dems, like Stacey Abrams and other Black women, are actually doing the work and don’t need a white guy to tell them how to get more white guys…they need white guys to teach other white guys why democracy is good for them too.
If they need a think tank to figure out how to beat the Republicans, we are even more screwed than I thought.
Quietly forming a think tank, while Republicans are pushing legislation, that will likely kill anyone who cares. That speaks volumes.
DNC Insiders fail to realize that they, too, could end up in prison or dead due to MAGA. Not just MAGA fanatics, the government itself.
This is some Third Way bullshit.
The article is full of third way bullshit, which politico is more than happy to promote.
And everyone on Bluesky is delighted to rage-jerk about. It’s an infinite loop that nobody gets tired of, but at least it’s a complete waste of time👍👍👍
And constantly does. Let’s let Adam Jentleson go first. What human rights is he willing to give up for “party unity”?
Third way rebranded. They are calling themselves "abundance democrats" now.
Exactly! All about rejecting “ideology” and nothing about corporate money
Rejecting ideology is what got us here. Nobody is looking for an ideologically neutral blank slate to vote for.
It’s a needed desperate strategy…”Searchlight”maybe an effective aim to proceed hopefully
We should stand for what is right, even if that isn't popular.
Well, fuck this dude and his asinine messaging hub.
This 'strategist' is merely creating another revenue stream for him/herself. The solution is simple, but they're not interested in that, because they it proves they're not needed.
This doesn’t sound like it’ll go well.
Stop paying these top consultants. They suck. Just got damn fight. Everything, everyday. Better advice then they are giving, free.
Single-payer healthcare is broadly popular.
Yes
So is taxing billionaires and big corporations or gun control. But those aren't the things they mean. They mean that DEI, immigration, and trans rights need to be thrown under the bus.
I know. Also broadly popular policies. The Democrats are fucked.
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Ok. Must be a warp speed org. Speed it up!
Washed up magazine financial times has better reporting on politics
Political parties aren’t football teams. You’re not supposed to cheer for a party “no matter what”. You most certainly don’t tell people what they want to hear just to generate donations. 🐘 You do the right thing to meet the people’s needs & to follow the Constitution — and to do it unselfishly.
"Democratic strategists move toward supporting segregation and ethnic cleansing." There. Now it's more accurate. Fucking collaborators.
What worked for Bill Clinton won’t work in ‘26 or ‘28
GOOD! I don't want an admin who comes up with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" backhanded bullshit. I want someone who will pull us AWAY from fascism, not bow to it like Clinton did when he gave up on universal health care! I want someone who recognized anti-DEI = ethnic cleansing.
Yeah, that was bullshit.
Hasn't worked since '16.
The Democrats' messaging has never been focused on "special interest groups." Republicans have ATTACKED the "special interest groups," forcing Dems to play defense. I'm all for working on messaging, but I'm not turning my back on the most vulnerable.
Democrats run on progressive ideas, win, don't follow through, run on less progressive ideas, lose, decide progressive ideas are the problem. It doesn't sound like this think tank actually thinks.
Oh, these think tanks exist. As psy ops. They even have 'progressive' in their names. And they're funded by people who are happy to see Democrats stay out of power.
Come back to the center. Moderate policies will win out.
Purge theybies Keep real trans
WELL THINK. FOR GOD SAKE HURRY. WHILE YOU ARE THINKING -THERE IS A REGIME TAKING OVER OUR FREEDOM
What’s the point of putting dems in power if they do nothing with it?
“Playing dead” and then wanting to inspire voters… certainly don’t mix well.
Give them some credit. They're not just playing dead anymore. They've started physically dying!
I can’t omg
Yeah, they die while serving the country. The ultimate sacrifice! I'm out, erecting statues.
Dem leadership and party operatives have their heads up their asses. They work on behalf of 'the people' but not consistently and not without corruption. They need an aggressively inclusive campaign on what Dems have done to support working people and how GOP/MAGA work against those goals.
To y’all who’re getting you hopes up. Don’t worry, they haven’t learned shit. “They’re saying, ‘we need a moderate voice, because we’re losing everyone and we have to come back to the center and get away from woke, identity politics,’ said one Democratic donor adviser who heard Jentleson’s pitch.”
You mean after the Heritage Foundation & Repubs implemented a plan to seed universities & the courts, media outlets bought up by right wing, after a plan to effect voting registration, after a plan to erode the press & weaken our ibstitutions after all that the Dems should start planning? YaTHINK!!!
Democrats require a policy hub to push them to act like...(Drum roll)...Democrats? And they wonder why they lost the election?
this is just Median Voter Theorem again
So hilariously I argued with a republican a lot on an iRacing discord back in the day. TLDR: The biggest issue he had with Democrats was the pandering to republicans. That was it. That was why he didn't "trust them". Republicans knew what they were about. Democrats were just sneaky republicans.
The way it breaks down is: Republicans fight for votes using: Guns Children Religion Democrats then just fight for the republican vote. Who wants that? It's like Target going "anti-DEI" when their ACTUAL BASE supported it. Republicans aren't gonna go to you! D<
Its not hard, stop moving middle and reclaim the left. Healthcare, minimum wage, social security, enshrine human rights, lower tariffs, make the wealthy pay their fair share so everyone else has less taxes.
they regard preventing those things from happening to be a higher priority than winning
They're paid by those benefiting from unpopular policies to uphold those unpopular policies. ...So are Republicans. The GOP just uses a firehose of bullshit to hide the fact.
This planned lobby groups founder: “He urged Democrats to declare “independence from liberal and progressive interest groups that prevent Democrats from thinking clearly about how to win” and to reject the “rigid mores and vocabulary of college-educated elites.” “
Brilliant we want to defund college too? What a great plan
and yet ppl tell me a third party isn't a viable option. At this point, it seems like it's our ONLY option. We can start fielding "People's Party" candidates in states now via small groups, before getting nationally recognized. Don't need billions, just action.
To get 3rd party to work, we need ranked choice voting to be fully enacted. As long as we have winner take all, 2 party "least bad choice" is all that will work
Weird, the Republicans managed to give the Whigs an obituary under this system.
If even HALF the 60 mil Dems, 30 mil Republicans, and 90 mil non-voters all sick of the 2 party bullshit stood together, we would instantly become the dominant party. Stop letting the oppressor tell you what you can do.
That mentality got us fascism and is driving us to literal extinction. Either we chose a better way or we die. Simple as that. It can work if we make it work.
Yes, catering to the center is exactly what got us here, and I described how we actually win, assuming elections being fair. Sacrifice the wealthy votes, sacrifice the 2% of middle votes, and go for the 30% that have been disenfranchised. Its that simple
Problem is, Democrats don’t want to do that. Justice Democrats been trying for reform over a decade and they’ve LOST members. So you want to reform a party with leadership against us, full of corporatists to sabotage us? Or just go our own way?
Unless of course a majority abandons one of the two major parties.
Whoops
JFC
Right? "Oh hey, maybe we'll win if we double down on being mewling simps for the Republicans..." NO! Stand up to them you geriatric insider-trading invertebrates! Appeasement. Doesn't. Work! It didn't work in the 30s, it isn't working now.
This is statistically wrong. The far left still voted for Harris. Democrates win by introducing policies seen a middle or even slight right wing such as limits and checks to immigration.
No the "far left" (meaning people that are barely left of center on the actual political scale) didn't vote, or many voted Jill Stein. The 'far left' have given up due to dems abandoning their position. If you look at dems today, they are almost right of Republicans in the 90s
If you’re talking about those people, they’ll never vote democrat and will remain irrelevant. U.K. had same choice with Corbyn and they got wiped out.
The Democrats aren't left and don't want to be. It's going to be impossible to get a progressive candidate unless they hide 75% of their true values until after the election
💯 since the 1960s
Why we need to abandon the Democrats. They're destined for the wood chipper at this point.
Catering to the left is what cost the Dems the election.
lol lmao
Lmao, what part of telling anyone who didn’t support genocidal terrorists to fuck off would you way qualifies as “catering to the left”? I’m sorry that, like every other far right cultist, you simply have no grasp on reality whatsoever and thus can only constantly lie
The people want a party that leads. If you're chasing polls to see what's popular you're a follower.
... This is why no one likes the Dems. Just do what's right, fuck it if it's popular and wrong.
Nah. This is the wrong lesson learned from the STOLEN election. Kamala DID win. her policies DID appeal. And people of color, Latinos, and LGBT are not going to just vote "center". We want progressive politics or we stay home and the Dem party can enjoy 4 more years of fascism.
Dems can think. Therefore they win.
Just do what Canada did.............don't be cunts.
The Dems only policy message is TDS.
Ok finally someone is looking ahead. Way to go!
Super cool that they have multiple groups trying to find candidates I won’t bother with.
I will not donate one more dollar to Dems until they listen to David Hogg and AOC. I’ve had it with my money going to the million $ parasites that call themselves strategists
I'm more the donate time kinda person but after 2020 kinda gave up. Some dems in texas started supporting gop more than anything else. I'm pretty much tired of it.
Though, I'm surprised, cuellar and gonzales voted with democrats against the one big bill. Though it probably was cuz programs in there were expensive, yet there's been a change in texas dems so maybe they didn't selfishly vote like usual. Also the state party voted against pro gentrification
That's a huge surprise. I thought centrist democrats love gentrification cuz that's how they used to vote.
It’s very easy to get dem backing - they don’t pay any attention to elections outside high population areas so Rs are running as Ds in areas they think Ds have upper hand. David Hogg is vetting candidates properly and they are trying to oust him.
Yea that's kinda why I'm starting to like him but he kinda was like those right wing dems at first so this change was nice tbh. Though the reason we have Republicans as democrats is cuz vote blue no matter who and only if they have a Spanish last name. Cus they helped get rid of white politicians
Let me guess. It will be "be like Republicans, but throw the plebs a few more bones."
I hope so and I hope they include progressives...assuming they actually want to win.
This is just analysis paralysis. Preserving Democracy is the most imperative issue now, because without it none of your policy positions matter…
I'll say it again - the Dems are responding to Abrams Tanks with think tanks. Talk about taking a pillow to a gunfight. And if their answer to losing support is to trash the core people who have supported them, then they deserve to lose.
Looks like Democrats are going all-in on a fascist Trojan horse policy based on the premise of "rejecting purity tests" and circumventing a "left-right binary" to cull "the best ideas wherever they come from," while flirting with some of the most two-faced Democratic apparatchiks out there.
Nope, it doesn’t look like that at all. This is just Jentleson looking for somebody stupid enough to hire him as their 2028 campaign advisor. bsky.app/profile/plai...
By “Democrats” you mean “this one guy you just heard of?”
By "Democrat," I mean the party that had four years to indict Donald Trump for attempting to usurp the will of the people and failed to do so, that courted so-called "moderate" Republicans like Liz Cheney while abandoning the future and that regularly collaborates with or enables America's fascists.
Donald Trump was indicted in 2 separate federal criminal cases and nobody “courted” Liz Cheney
Fair enough; Trump was indicted, but never convicted, whereas Germany arrested all of their coup plotters *before* they could launch a coup. Democrats most certainly courted moderate Republicans and have taken a decidedly pro-genocide stance. Many also eagerly collaborate with America's fascists.
Bro, you are a Substacker. It is a Nazi platform. Are you a transphobe or something?
If anything, Liz Cheney completely torched her political career to try to end Donald Trump.
I don't like 95% of Liz Cheney's of politics, but she has 100% of my respect for setting her political career on fire opposing Donald Trump.
The problem is that Democrats have been helping to fund fascist campaigns in Republican primaries while spending to primary left-of-center Democrats in their own party, and now, rather than address the Mediterranean gorilla in the room, they would rather call anti-genocide protesters "terrorists."
You have a rich inner life Keith
"Rep. Cori Bush loses Democratic primary after campaign onslaught from pro-Israel group"
"How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately 'elevated' Donald Trump with its 'pied piper' strategy"
He was indicted multiple times and convicted of 34 felonies. What fucking maga planet do you hail from?
Dems need their own version of the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025.
No. We need new structures, not copies of what the opposition is doing.
Is this being lead by Bernie Sanders? If not, then it is going to be another pay day for out of touch advisors that will do more harm than any orange man Shitter post
Liberty and justice for all is not a purity test.
MEANWHILE, IN MINNESOTA... bsky.app/profile/star...
Guess thats why he wasn't invited to the confab
He would have been a great VP and I hope he gets back into national politics
This kind of value free triangulation is why I will never donate to another Democrat as long as I live
They are going to try and get a few million dollars to say the following - Dems need to - - Blame Trans people -be more racist -hate the poor -hate Medicare -want to drill for oil -do whatever rich people want -try to start a war with a small country
Yes. And the 'strategist' will be feted as a genius in all the magazines.
I can save them some money. Move left and actually fight for Democracy using every single tool at their disposal.
Top strategist for losing party convinced only way to win is to have zero convictions.
We need to find new secure ways to assure that votes are counted correctly, and that they can’t be manipulated. I fear that Musk (et al) have infiltrated our systems. We need to adjust away from our old systems, to something that hasn’t been hacked.
Searchlight sounds so right wing.
The Democrats have moved so far right in the last 30 years, we may as well call them GOP lite so it makes perfect sense 🤷🏻♀️
Democrats are always launching a think tank whose explicit purpose is figuring out how much bigotry is acceptable.
And why would anyone thoughtful vote for that when “broadly popular positions” are malleable? So that we can find out we were just a tool for victory when the extremists drag the overton window further right?
Absolute bullshit, this.
In other words, more Republican Lite that will cause Dems to lose. Give me a fucking break! 🤬
Ahh the party of elitist consultants and billionaire donors wants to legitimize their bullshit. You don’t need to launch anything, just get out of the way and stop sabotaging candidates who fight for the real interest of the working class and the marginalized.
They need a miracle..they're that out of touch
The problem is within their own party.
Great. When do we get universal healthcare, gun control, assault weapons bans, and immigration reform?
Please no more "Abundance". Real economic policies that favour the lower classes is the way forward. Not some vague theory that shovels more money to the rich
If you look at the numbers, the most popular thing is not radiating white hot loser energy all and every day.
They better get their asses in gear, right now they all look like they are twiddling their thumbs..
A good idea. Another idea is to create a chat group that studies, listens and crystallizes new ideas that move beyond current thinking and lead to new breakthroughs that unite rather than divide.
@maxberger.bsky.social @mtsw.bsky.social The money is there for the taking to put your posting where your mouth is
Don't worry about it. Nobody absolutely Nobody will be voting Republican for years. I'm never going through this shit again. Even if I have to bribe, kill, maim, or trick everybody, it AIN'T going to happen.
Oh cool they’re gonna aim for Republican light so they can get those two swing voters. Useless party.
Don't trust Politico writing about Dems. It's a good bet to be rage bait for the Beltway Inbreds.
I know they’re just a weekly reader for Republicans, but Democrats don’t exactly operate in secret. They’re stupid is right out on display.
Normally I wouldn't trust these kinds of articles blindly, but I've seen Schumer say with his own words that this is his plan going forward. Since the inauguration, he's been fighting to ignore every single issue besides Medicare/Medicaid. So idk. This is probably at least somewhat accurate.
There is only one series election cycles it is clear there was a swath of people that bounced back and forth. 1964 into 1968. I think 64 was more jfk assassination sympathy and then they returned to normal voting behavior in 68. It’s the only set of cycles where you see this kind of swingy voting
Wow. Love that committees are starting committees to have research discussions on what other committees think the original committee should do Can’t wait for a well rounded, mediocre “don’t rock the boat” plan that’s eventually rolled out in 2050
“Democrats should just roll over and play dead” – James Carville
They will try anything except changing policy...
They can save their money, do things that improve working people's lives.
They literally already know what their constituents & voters want. They’re feckless cowards who fear losing money for the corporate donors and upsetting the gerontocracy. They give their voters nothing, then scold them for costing them the election.
You can stop now with this whole "purity test"-dumbassery, we all know it means anything that's not bigoted.
So, it sounds like it's someone associated with Third Way, a group made up of corporate Democrats and 'moderate' Republicans whose goal is to make the Democrats into a clone of the pre-Trump Republican party, because it's what the people (who donate large amounts to them) want.
Have they considered listening to their constituents instead of Super PACs, lobbyists, and corporations?
Diet republicans don’t work that way
I’ve always thought of Democrats as Republican-lite. But why would anyone want that when they could simply binge on the real thing? The old guard must step away from leadership immediately!
This. Over an over again. This. This is my number one concern as a voter. It's past time for representation that works for us and not the corporate lobby or their stock portfolio. Until that's done, we won't see any change.
If they did that, then candidates would realize they don't need to pay people big bucks to make them run the most boring and useless campaign imaginable.
I think the problem is that the people running the party have no values beyond winning, so they don’t understand that the job of a politician is to build support for policies by appealing to the values the party is supposed to stand for.
Ostensibly, they got elected because they shared the values of those who elected them. Turns out, they don’t have any values at all.
They don’t seem to get that public opinion on a given issue can be moved (see e.g., GOP rhetoric on trans issue — few people gave it a second thought until GOP started talking about it). Their job is to move it, not chase it. Why is this so fucking hard to understand! Fuck! 🤦♂️
Have the constituents considered listening to Democrats?
why the fuck would I listen to racism, transphobia, genocide, and calling bernie sanders an "evil communist dictator?" bsky.app/profile/astr...
That’s not what I hear. In fact, just the other day, I was at a Pride flag raising and heard Democratic lawmakers express their support for the LGBTQIA2+ community. And they act like it.
they are listening, that's why democrats lost
I don’t know what you heard, but I heard warnings about Project 2025 and the devastation it would cause. I heard “We’re not going to let any of that happen.” I heard, “We value democracy and we we want to keep ours.” But, maybe I should’ve been listening for one sentence said a certain way.🤷🏻♀️
I’m listening; so far they’re saying they’re the party of zero convictions. My spouse asked our senator directly! I would love it if they’d lean in to integrity for a change. As someone on here said, Voters want ethical leaders willing to fight the Trump administration. We don't have that.
Would love to hear what that senator had to say. And their name
It was at a fundraiser for Michael Bennet, who’s running for governor of Colorado. I wasn’t there but he said some garbage about common ground or something.
Then don’t vote for him. Find another dem who’s running. If that fails, for the love of holy, purple baby Jesus, just vote for him, if only to deny a Republican the seat and the power. Whatever perfection you’re looking for, accept that you will never find it and at least try to do the right thing.
I’m looking for the democrats, as a party, to have the courage of their convictions. I’m not voting for republicans but can you honestly tell me that the Dems have a compelling strategy right now? What Dem besides AOC and maybe Ilhan Omar are standing up for Dem principles?
Then your senator is a problem.
Well, yes, but few are saying anything different. And neither is Dem leadership.
What's their message? Especially if they're just going to follow the polling trends and only take broadly popular positions instead of having principles and shaping the conversation, what do they have to say that people should listen to?
"Nothing will fundamentally change." "Most lethal force on the planet." "Follow the law on trans people." "What genocide?"
Interestingly, universal healthcare is broadly popular, as is impeachment of the current president, and yet somehow I can't see this new organization supporting either of them.
Listening to the DNC is a large part of how we got here
No. Because that's not the job of the constituents.
Oh? No? Then what is our job?
To make sure the people in power actually represent us. Ideally by making their lives miserable if they fuck us over. Politicians who vote against the public interest should not be given a moment of peace in public.
Yes, that is exactly our job.
Yes, and we hate what they have to say
I notice the Pride flag in your picture. I wish you a safe and happy Pride and hope you will notice that Democrats don’t want to take health care away from you, do not have their hair on fire over trans athletes, do not want to deny you your rights or encourage violence against you. Just sayin.
This is simply not true. Dems all across the country, including my state, are pounding anti-trans legislation through state and federal entities. They are happily and willingly stripping people of rights. There are many reasons why LGBT folks do not feel safe under either party.
Then yell at them. Call them, send them emails and letters and postcards. Show up at their offices and sit there until someone will talk to you. If they’re bad Dems, find better candidates to run against them and work on the campaign. You have the power to do that.
Well, that’s a shame. Because without them, we will live under authoritarianism and that’s working out well, so far.
We’re living under it right now. Ice raids, deportation to foreign gulags, erasing history, decimating social services…
My point, exactly. And why is that, do you think? Because millions of registered Democrats just couldn’t bring themselves to vote because one candidate of another didn’t say exactly what they wanted to hear. They gave Republicans the power to this. Get over yourselves.
lol we have no choice
The Democratic Party is dead
😆 We already know the positions and policies most Americans support. The problem is both MAGA fascists and corporate Dems support the 1% over the 99%. This is sideshow bullshit.
If it's not abortion rights and universal healthcare, anti genocide and UBI then they can eat shit and die.
AMEN!
So, pushing the party further Right with the pro-capitalist “Abundance” horseshit and further away from actually popular, socialist policies?
…seems like the Republican Party wasn’t the only one captured by Putin and right wing ideology.
Nothing in the article really seemed to touch on the 'abundance' platform. It looked like their platform is all about giving a hearty eff-you to anyone who thinks racism or trans rights are important enough to fight for.
Yeah, I saw that, too. No hint of what they ARE for, just what they're NOT for. I suppose getting specific might've sounded too much like a George W. Bush campaign speech.
They never consider how many voters they lose when they shift right. Perhaps it’s a strategy. If the voting pool is smaller, they feel like it’s easier to sway.
I don't think that's what happened with the Latino voters we lost. They moved more to the center.
The Democrats operating theory seems to be "the GOP are so awful that progressives will vote the Dems *no matter what* so we can shift right to appease our donors and centrist/right impulses. Liberals are a sure thing for us." even though the 2024 election turnout seems to indicate otherwise
winning elections is not actually the priority of the consultant class, they know whatever happens they will at worst get side-graded into running a gigantic PAC thehill.com/homenews/cam...
They don’t care about winning, they care about keeping their donor class happy.
Verrit claim for this?
Gross.
Good Lord they're gonna lose again
Only if Democrats decide to go with this nonsense. There's a battle for the soul of the party right now with AOC on one side and the ghost of Joe Lieberman on the other.
Just do, and say, for the most part, the opposite to the TACO CARTEL and you should be fine.
The dems, for the most part, already stand for the most effective and broadly popular positions. They're just always apologizing and running away from them. It's not about ideology. It's about fight.
Oh get fucked. Useless pack of grifters.
So unemployed staffers figure out a way to make a living. Bless
So Democrats are searching for popular positions while Republicans are actively creating them? Do they not understand how this works?
we don’t own the media
This is a critical problem. We don't own any of the infrastructure for spreading our messages. Breaking through the right wing media is a herculean task. Their ideas are heard & repeated, ours are not. We need to rebuild a democratic media messaging machine (the GOP 50 years building theirs).
The Democrats all got a YouTube and they’ve been posting more. It’s really obvious.
They don’t need to! Large swaths of the population already hold progressive views the party just needs to run with them!
I think you are missing the point, Carl. In some ways, the ideas don't even matter. The GOP takes unpopular ideas & makes them mainstream because they have the echo chamber to make it happen. It doesn't matter what we run on if nobody is repeating our message. We are shouting into a black hole.
Democrats aren't shouting popular ideas. When was the last time you heard a mainstream Democrat yell about medicare for all?
I think you missed the point.
Your point is that the Dems don't have the media. My point is, is that they've had MSNBC, and to a lesser extent CNN, and yet, we still don't hear those things there because they don't want to say them because they're corporate donors don't like popular things with voters.
MSNBC & CNN are not where messages are being spread. They are being spread in community groups, podcasts, & special interest chat groups. There is an entire underground propaganda industry, heavily funded by foreign interests, that absolutely dwarfs cable news & we aren't there.
So go there and spread medicare for all in those places. They could have been doing that for the last eight years and constantly reject it because their corporate donors don't like it.
They are on MSNBC practically every day. And I have their tubes and I can prove that they do a press conference every day they are in session. Hakeem Jeffries’s post six a week whenever the house is in session. Obviously when it’s not in session he actually has to connect with his constituents.
MSNBC DOESN'T MATTER. The voter's that are turning away utilize other media that is not obvious to us.
Right. And when has Hakeem Jeffries mentioned medicare for all at all? The democrats are on t v all the time, yet they're not shouting popular rhetoric or messaging. It's more centrist milquetoast waffling, explaining why they can't do anything and it's garbage
The fact is, I’ve completely given up on Medicare for all specifically because I saw how the American people react to vaccines. And the fact that they are right now trying to take away Medicaid. I just have no confidence. I just want to keep my healthcare at this point
Do you know how cruel it is that I actually don’t have any other alternative except for government healthcare and the Republicans are threatening it? I have nowhere else to go. And you somehow want to put everybody else under that stress and not just super super poor people with no other options?
I don't want to put people under that stress.
Yeah which is why I’m losing support. Where like Democrats are actually trying to protect my healthcare the best they can and you’re not paying attention.
Yeah I’m kind of like as somebody who gets Medicaid and ask somebody on disability I’m losing support for your Medicare for all because I think it would be bad.
Why do you think it would be bad?
then why did progressives lose? And why did a blue dog win my district after having a republican for 12 years? We had 54 blue dogs in the house when we had the super majority in 2009, we only have 10 now. We had over half the party progressive, 2/3 leaders progressive and still, you frame the same
Honestly, you're both wrong. It doesn't matter if the idea is progressive or conservative (of course it matters to us), what matters is that the message gets repeated. The GOP can make bad ideas go mainstream because they own the media (social & trad). They have a huge propaganda network. We do not.
Its because of this lack of response to different party composition by progressives that I lost faith in the movement.
2009 was 2009. We live in a different world and the base of the party is more left wing. You can put right wing the right wing. If you let your opposition set the narratives you lose.
We lost when we fought for progressive policy in 2021 to 2022. I lost faith after the 2022 election
Can’t out*
the base of the party is more liberal now than it was in 2009, this is true in Democratic strongholds and it’s true in purple areas too.
But we’re losing. It’s only more progressive because we have less people on the peripheral. We just have less people. Less voters. And there are more conservatives and we have lost.
Supporting genocide and mass deportations like the Biden/Harris 2024 campaign did caused a lot of people to simply not show up. Why vote for diet fascism?
Progressives grow their block every election. There is growing momentum for progressives in the suburbs now too. Trump going mask off doesn't change the fact that 2024 was a very close election and Harris had a poor platform. Imagine if she pushed for Universal healthcare. Easy win
Then how come AOC got less votes? She’s dropped 11% support in voting in her district
I’m sorry but this is all plainly untrue. There are more Democrats than Republicans. A huge part of the base is unhappy with the party, and the enthusiasm gap between parties is a primary part of the problem.
I don’t think people who don’t identify as Democrats are the base.
because dem primary voters listen to the millionaires on tv who tell them the things THEY want can’t win and then the wealthy give the requisite money to blue dogs who will protect their interests to get through the primaries and then blue no matter who takes over. blue dogs lose just as often tho
Everyone runs on the same ticket in my state. There is only the primary. No separate primaries. Blue dogs lose often but it wasn’t a progressive who won the seat here. And there was only one democrat who ran.
There is no real blue no matter who so much as vote for the only Democrat who ran against all the Republicans so that way I don’t only have Republicans to vote for in the general which happened to Washington district 4
well then if the only alternative to the gop is a blue dog then they will eventually win but i don’t believe it has anything to do with their policies or their strategy to appeal to the imagined middle which always seems to dovetail with the interests of their rich donors.
5% of Trump voters vote for my representative and the margin of victory was like less than one percent the first time and one percent the second time.
i think the real problem is that one party is highly motivated to remake society into some horrible idealized version of the past that never existed and the other party is willing to work in a bipartisan way to do the least amount of work to keep things the same provided their donors agree.
How about starting with Dems halting receipt of AIPAC bribes from Israel for the genocide of brown-skinned babies/kids/teens in open air prison. Part of the reason United States fell from grace around the world: Gazan Gas & real estate greed baby. Evil people all go to the Lake of Fire.
rather than a platform of stickin' yer finger to the wind to decide which position to take, how 'bout THIS... run on a platform of what's morally, ethically, and constitutionally right for everyone _______________________ if the Democratic Party doesn't know what it stands for, we're doomed
It’s simple GROW A PAIR Admit that yes our goal is to hurt republicans because they are the enemy The republicans aren’t gonna stop The only way to save ourselves is to treat them like what they are THE ENEMY
When facing Christofacists & billionaire grifters, one should not need a think tank with focus groups to develop a counter message!
yes but what if you had absolutely zero belief system outside of empty decorum towards wealth
lmao Bernie has been trying to do that for 25 years and gets nothing but a swift kick in the teeth every time but yeah, I’m sure the Dems legitimately want to move towards “broadly popular positions” but just can’t quite triangulate where that might be
They want them to be anything but what Bernie, AOC, Crockett, and a number of others know they are I’m over here hoping that the think tank isn’t a sham and that the DNC forced to face the fact that if they want to win it has no choice but to move left Hoping against hope
they triangulated. it's in the article at the end
Please, someone, teach them how to fight.
These are not the most effective, broadly popular positions, and whoever told you that is lying to you.
We're supposed to believe elites who can drop 12K for a 6-day resort stay are finally gonna figure out that people want nationalized health care, living minimum wage, affordable housing, & wealth tax when they've studiously ignored this fact for decades. 🙄 They've tried nothing & are out of ideas.
Fun fact: Democrats already have the most effective, broadly popular positions. What we don’t have is a propaganda machine that blankets cable and internet with lies 24/7.
No, what we don’t have is politicians who listen to their base.
Real question: how much time and money did you donate in 2024 to the politicians that you would like to see elected?
And we love to cancel each other.
We sure do. I’m sure I’ve been blocked thousands of times because I suggested that it wasn’t great that Biden kept going long after it was clear he wasn’t up to it.
Yep. And the people losing their shit about Jake Tappers book it hilarious to me. After the debate last year, it was quite clear Biden had periods of decline. And that is not a controversial take!
Yeah, I don't get it at all. I do remember thinking, "where's Biden?" I figured he must just have is head down, getting stuff done, and that I had just been pummeled by constant Trump for so long that I wasn't used to it. Then after the debate, I realized, "ah, they've been hiding him for a while."
Yep and there are liberals who act like his legacy isn't tainted. We got Trump again because of Biden's failure to step aside. A healthy primary is important for Dems. Midterms should be interesting as well.
Reading along well till this line: "We got Trump again because of Biden's failure to step aside." Please, at the end of the day, the voters--the American people--are why we got Trump a 2nd time. Also, to talk as if white, male is not usually what Americans subconsciously drift to is dishonest.
It’s more complex than that. Incumbents got creamed all over the world. Post Covid is an angry time. People forgot how poorly Trump botched our response. Biden botched the border and Gaza and couldn’t communicate the benefits of his policies. Of course, racism and misogyny are always a thing America
Agree with all you said. Add the misogyny/racism comes from the people. The crisis in Gaza and events leading up to it are tolerated and paid for by We, the People. Trump happened by We. I agree with your details in post, and at the same time, I posit the people are the underlying cause.
Hard to get rid of them, though. Legally, at least. lol
But the (slim) majority of American people were comfortable electing a convicted felon and election denier over our candidate. And that's a pretty bad look for Dems. So our candidate must have sucked.
I wouldn’t use the term “suck,” but I think that most Democrats are using an outdated mode of communication. Ds are explaining 50 step plans to make healthcare affordable while Rs are using bots to make people think vaccines give kids autism.
I wouldn't place the lack of widespread quality education, of ability to think critically, & of being less selfish is completely the fault of Democrats. I'm not even sure the candidate sucked; she'd won pop vote in elections prior to POTUS + has some documented effort. And, candidates reflect us.
What also don't have is a million bots .like the ones here.. Infiltrating the Democrat base.
BOT!
Nope. Just sick of the " why we lost" whining
STAND DOWN HUMAN.
It does get tiring.
Yup. But we can fight their lies with truth! I'm starting a campaign this week with a set of ads calling BS on the "BBB" and exposing the real economic results of letting billionaires take over. ChrisHarjesforCongress.com
But where are those ads going to go? The people we need to reach aren’t watching ads.
Currently running on Vibe and YouTube, with good reach so far, with expansion planned as we get more donations and more power.
Fun fact: Non-sabotaged primaries win elections.
There weren’t even primaries until 1912.
What are you implying? Women couldn’t even vote in 1912. Dems were klansmen in 1912, managers of the Jim Crow.
My point is, parties make their own rules. Republicans don’t have super delegates, but they got Trump that way. Direct democracy often means more extreme results.
Dang, bruh! Getting LaFollette-y on us! I like it. Wish more Americans were as informed on their own nation as you are.
I agree and I think that researching and determining which messages and focuses gain the widest support is just basics and I have no doubt that refining the message and focusing and repeating it is going to be helpful. I think people under estimate how easily swayed a lot of folks are. Democrats
Honestly, I think the message is fine, for the most part, but we deliver it like a bunch of mindless automatons. A lot of Democrats speak like they've rehearsed the answers a thousand times as if it was an oral exam. They need to just learn now to have a spontaneous talk.
have often been overly rosy with their policy messaging and for better or for worse, society has been primed lately to unify under grievances first, fixes second. And the message needs to be simple. I think Bernie Sanders does have a lot of the grievance based messaging with economic issues, which
I think that kind of messaging resonates with people, both logically, and emotionally.
I heard an interesting comment on Pod Save America a few days ago. I can't remember who said it, but they basically said that Democrats describe how they're going to fix an issue, while Republicans just bring up issues and blame it on Democrats. People don't want to be bored by policy details.
This is 💯 accurate and it’s hard for PoLiCy WoNkS like myself to remember. Although I do love to complain, my anxiety is reduced with learning and problem-solving. But I have friends, and I have family, both Republican and Democrat and plenty of them are fully satisfied with just complaining lol
And they find problem solving or talking about solutions or options to be distressing, overwhelming or even offensive. And that’s just their psychology or something 😅
Your party lost because it tried to talk over the people who demanded an end to a genocide Democrats were enabling.
That would be one of the reasons, yes. Better than the other party, though, who lied about being able to get a peace deal done, and moved straight into ethnic cleansing. Bet those people who stayed home or voted for Trump feel like idiots now!
Honestly, Trump might actually be better for Gaza. Biden's WH crawled through glass to protect Israel's interests. Trump gets bored and needs bribes. He doesn't give a crap about people dying, but the Sauds can make him wonder what Benny has really done for him recently.
I was super mad at Palestine supporters for not voting for Kamala in November. But when Chuck Schumer was quoted as saying his #1 job was to "keep the left Pro-Israel" it suddenly sunk in. The Dem establishment isn't just 'kinda compromised'. The party doesn't rep the American public at all.
It's almost like people opposed to the genocide Dems enabled understood they didn't have a way to oppose it at the ballot box, and weren't willing to endorse a party with so much blood on their hands.
So, you decided not to vote, which is essentially the same thing as voting for Trump, because you couldn’t condone the Dems actions, knowing full well that Trump wasn’t going to be any better on this issue and much worse on many more?
Isn't not voting for Trump also voting for kamala by that logic? She should probably have done more to make people want to vote for her, like not mock the base at the convention.
No. Democrats are so far in the hole due to how the Electoral College is set up in America that staying home is basically a vote for Republicans. Also, MAGA is so homogeneous that they just fall in line with whoever the nominee is. Not really big thinkers about issues.
Someone should tell the dems that so they stop campaigning with the Cheneys trying to win over voters that will never vote for them.
The issue is, MAGA is plain and simply an authoritarian cult of personality, which creates a group of conservatives who have no party. Harris didn’t campaign with Cheney, Cheney campaigned with Harris. Harris didn’t change her platform at all, but wanted to signal that a coalition could defeat Trump
It didn’t work, but it wasn’t a bad bet. We did need some of those votes, which I’m sure we got some of, but not enough. Ultimately, incumbents did poorly, worldwide, and Harris was too afraid to alienate Biden supporters to distance herself from him.
Also the prevailing sentiment not that long ago was demographic shifts would mean the dems win the presidency pretty easily going forward and now it's shifted to the electoral college favors Republicans none of these things are set in stone. The party just doesn't put in the work.
The electoral college never favors the liberal party.
It all depends on how you’d normally vote for. If you’re normally a GOP supporter and didn’t vote then, yes, that’s basically a vote for Kamala.
Depends on your state. The Electoral College puts Democrats at a huge disadvantage.
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We were already at ethnic cleansing before the election.
"you were offered nothing or nothing and got nothing! boy do you look dumb!"
If that’s the summary you got out of that then oooh boy lol
If you're still hoping that Democrats are going to start offering more than platitudes and breadcrumbs to the most underserved segments of society when they win elections, oooh boy lol
Sounds like someone is in desperate need of a civics lesson, or maybe you're not American.
…um, the ethnic cleansing was already *well* underway.
You individually are responsible for Trump winning.
You’re why George R. R. Martin hasn’t finished The Winds of Winter.
This!
Here's a popular policy.... Do what's right...for all people. Spend our money wisely. Be good fiduciaries. Don't abuse the authority vested in you by us. Don't forget, it's you who works for us. It's our money, our influence, our GDP, that you are using, in our behalf, not for your benefit. Simple
Best part about Trump 2.0 is I am no longer shackled to the Democratic party. They can suss out who is the most centrist centrist and I'm no longer beholden to vote for the lesser evil because politically, we're already in the bad place. And I'm not alone.
Well, enjoy continued rule by Republicans then. But at least you can say you’re sticking to your ideals. There is no political party that is going to align 100% with your beliefs. So maybe grow a pair and vote for the Dems because they more closely align with your beliefs than the GOP does.
Spare me the lecture. I joined the party in '16, volunteered in '18, '20, '22 and '24 in state, local and federal races. I'm leaving the party because I joined to stop Trump and they failed. I'm not anti-Dem, I'm anti-inaction. Happy to support any Dems who aren't empty vessels for dark money.
They failed so I’m gonna quit! That’s a toxic mindset.
This isn't a marriage. I took no vow. The Democratic party is not entitled to anything from anyone. It's a political party for God's sake!
Make me understand how not voting (or voting 3rd party) helps. Maybe I’m missing something.
It's not an election year, none of this is zero sum and we refuse to wait til '28. I'll vote Dem when it makes sense but my affiliation, money and sweat equity will remain elsewhere. Radical change can't be met with means tested centrist bullshit or it will lose, every time.
It hasn’t worked so far!
Lot of Democratic millionaires in Congress who sure are enjoying this continued rule by Republicans They want the tax cuts, and they get to go mask off on their culture icks, while collecting donations and lighting them on fire, great work if you can get it
Then you can do your part and allow the Republicans to keep winning for them!
They won! We may or may not have free and fair elections. That logic no longer applies since Nov. Some of you just won't accept it.
Problem solved then! Insider trading and complicity do not align with my beliefs or values.
Remind again which of the two parties has members that are actively calling for a law against trading stocks while a member of Congress?
both... all previous stock trading bans have had bipartisan signatures everytime it has been proposed, there is right now a republican sponsored ban on the table. What a dumb thing to try and make a stance on when even Mike Johnson has said he is a proponent. And there is this floating around
matt gaetz was pro stock ban, thats how right wing your position you think is centrist enough to be considred liberal is.
you seem to be confused lol. this isn't a "i haven't made up my mind yet" situation. if the democrats want the votes they gotta start earning them. simple as that. and if you're gonna argue against that, that just makes you complicit in their failure.
How dare you insist Dems do the bare minimum of what’s expected from a party that claims to uphold the tenants of democracy. Don’t you know that’s anti democratic?!
Lmao, a fash lite party doesn’t align with my beliefs whatsoever, as it’s already decided it won’t oppose fascism whatsoever I’m sorry you can’t handle and e people are braindead days cultists like yourself or the Trump Humpers.
Anyways, have fun watching your team constantly lose for as long as y’all refuse to listen to anyone left of fascist 😘
That’s great. Except you have no consciousness, no organization, no movement, no party, & near zero political representation at any level of federal or state govt… & little to zero prospects for achieving any of that. You’d be a fool to think the new regime is certain to transfer power.
Not sure where you're getting that info or what representation I have? Very confused.
But at least you’re not foolish enough to think the corporatist democrats are going to save you from the GOPs fascistic oligarchy. They’re not. They paved the road that brought you this point in the first place.
I love it when Politico writes about Dems. I just send every paragraph through a NOT logic gate and it comes out accurate.
Don’t follow these dicks. Politico is owned by a right wing German media company.
Right. Or rather far right - that company is Germany's Rupert Murdoch.
Democrats: Oh wow, universal basic income and healthcare both have supermajority support, even among independents. Should we do them? Nah. Let's appeal to conservatives in a way that doesn't win them over but also loses our own voters by pushing for minor tweaks that won't scare the Never Trumpers.
In a nutshell.
Yep.
Democrats? Oh sorry, I thought you were taking about UK Labour...! Currently following the same failing approach.
Apparently they share a lot of the same consultants and fixers now.
ugh, condolences.
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That was in 2020, before AI arrived in 2022. Here's one from 2023.
Um. Vibe has shifted right since 2020. U have any credible Us data for your position ?
Trump voters loved their stimulus checks and many voted for Trump because of them, hoping for another. The very idea of a "DOGE dividend" recently was also very popular. People are very worried about loss of income via AI. Don't underestimate how quickly AI is impacting opinions. 2020 polls are OLD.
Oh Christ, yet another round of VC money spent to pursue the golden "messaging" package that will let the Democratic party remain loyal to the donors and yet somehow attractive to the voters they plain don't wanna represent
That is EXACTLY it. We just need to eject these donor-friendly Dems from the party and put real leaders who understand the working class in their place.
Fuck all the way off.
No more left, just right and center. Not bringing any kids into this climate.
Lmao this country’s toast. People like you are begging for collapse.
I'm not understanding how you got from that post to the conclusion they are "begging for collapse"
They only want more of the same piss poor government that let fascist take care get without a fight. Seems like they just want the world to burn.
That doesn't explain how you got to the conclusion that person has that opinion.
You are describing the current political climate. How’s that working out?
Well I imagine the current political climate is why they don't wanna bring kids into the world. It's pretty obvious from their post. I'm *autistic* and understood their implication. What are you doing to completely fuck up reading comprehension?
Hey I wanted to say thanks for understanding what I was trying to say.
You don't gotta thank me. I think a lot of people scroll through social media without really thinking on a post's meaning. I am sometimes guilty of that too but so many people are just really bad at communicating via text these days and it is so disheartening.
It's nerve wracking to voice something you're passionate about when patriotic vitriol can become so latent that it bleeds over onto people who are genuinely fighting for the same thing. We don't have time or reaources to be cannibalizing ourselves.
So how has that strategy worked out for you for the past decade+?
Three decades, more like.
I didn't know how saying "there are no Left politicians in power" is a strategy. Can you elaborate?
That wasn't what I was trying to say, and I refret that the wording made it sound like that. My frustration comes from a number of politicians who say and never do. Putting 20M together just to figure out what your constiuents want is frustrating, is it not? It feels like no one is on our side.
*Regret ugh words
Sorry about the misunderstanding. Part of that is the lack of genuine leftists in the Dem party withany say in party policy which is how I interpreted you post.
I appreciate that you give me the chance to explain myself before jumping to a conclusion. Emotions are high in most of us, especially when it comes to politics. The meaning can get lost in all of the heat.
Just right and far right
It feels like both parties are just looking down on the rest of us and we have no actual horses in this race.
this is exactly why you lost, by being spineless cowards who not only actively refuse to champion good but choose to further the same goals as republicans. if you choose to become more evil i will hate you more, not less
This is where they just start lying like obama did and the right wing explodes with another ten year reign from an even dumber turdass than dtrump
What a bunch of morons. It's quite simple. We don't want greedy corrupt fuckers in power.
Dems already have the most popular policy positions. But people don’t vote on policy positions. They vote on vibes and prejudices.
First thing they should do is fire the consultants and strategists. Serial losers
Or they could simply run candidates that reject Zionism and Neoliberalism. 🤷
Finally
I’m going to get a lot of shit but I’m tired of everyone telling dems to stick to policy and doing more for workers—not because I dislike those ideas, but because that is what was done the last 5 years and the same white working class folks gobbled down more propaganda & bullshit cultural narratives
My point is not to be against those policies, but to point out that strategy does not work and we need a strategy to deal with propaganda that is more sophisticated than just throwing Bernie Sanders speeches and pretending like class consciousness for everyday fascists is just around the corner.
the problem is the dems aren’t doing the stuff that matches the rhetoric of their speeches. we should be giving people healthcare outright without bills not subsidizing insurance companies because they pinky swear to be less shitty and charge half of a percent less than they otherwise would.
Biden passed a shitload of great policies, but Trump gets more credit for Biden’s policy from his crowd when he lies and pretends he passed something than Biden did than Biden gets from half the democrats for actually passing great legislation. It’s pretty fucking amazing, and self-defeating.
the best stuff dems tried to do under biden was mostly killed by manchin and sinema two democrats who its all but certain this “new” think tank will recommend be the model for the party going forward.
If I have to listen about how the 57 means-tested half-measure compromise bills, 32 of them never passing anyway, is somehow considered satisfactory, it's never been so over for the democratic party.
The party has an image, messaging, messenger, policy, and age problem. Bernie couldn't possibly fix every single one of those problems, but holy fuck, countering trump's fake populism with real populism would've had a better shot at winning than just running yet another standard dem yet again.
For starters, the party thought you could just say words to the void, and everyone would listen to you. No. Democrats never created and pushed a narrative the way trump did. They couldn't. Dems are captured by special interests, and therefore could never build an anti-oligarch narrative.
There was no commanding voice to shout louder than trump. They had complete control of new media and going on Morning Joe or CNN with a max viewers of what... 40-100k at most(?) wasn't doing shit. Dems don't work closely with new media the way Rs do.
Then the age problem. Connolly. That's it.
The point people are making is that "what was done" wasn't actually being done, and things like this focus group crap is loudly proclaiming tgat they don't want to, and never have.
Speak from your heart, connect emotionally to people. So much material to share to make people’s lives better than this regime. Sounds like they’ve given up before they begin.😔
I am begging someone in this party please learn how politics work because this is a joke.
Not really quiet if you're writing about it in the national news.
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Man this sounds promising. I'd love to get involved in something like this, leveraging new media. I grew up in rural Missouri, became one of those highly educated white liberal elites, now often cringe when Democrats resort to what I call the "liberal one-upmanship" that alienates rural voters.
What positions have you seen Democrats resort to that alienate rural voters?
Oh, please, do tell: what issues is the Democratic party too liberal on lmao.
I'm talking about winning elections, not losing. First to mind: defund the police. It doesnt get more tone deaf than that. (lmao even more)
That's not a position of the Democratic party, Andy.
Not any more, thank god.
It has NEVER EVER been the position of the Democratic party. Are you perhaps confusing individuals who identify as Democrats with the Democratic party? Or are you just being deliberately disingenuous?
I'm talking about winning elections. Not even talking about Democratic platforms. Not even getting into a debate about who promoted the "defund the police" narrative other than it alienated a lot of moderates and pushed them to the right.
So, the Democratic party has to: 1. Prevent moderates from attributing any random statement by any individual or group on the left to the party. 2. Convince moderates not to embrace fascism anytime anyone "liberal" says something they don't agree with. How do you propose they accomplish this, lol?
Indeed! You laugh but this is exactly what has to happen. It is called controlling the narrative and MAGA does this a a lot better than we do.
What, exactly, do you think allows MAGA to "control the narrative" better than Democrats?
A position the Democratic Party didn't actually support? So in other words, your grand plan is to make the Republicans stop lying? Brilliant idea. (never mind that the actual principles behind defunding the police are decently popular, but, y'know)
gross
Yay, finding more ways to lose
Maybe they could just ask Bernie.
Hmm🤔
I have never read a vaguer article.
Stop trying to *pursue* the most "broadly popular positions"; adopt morally exemplary positions and *MAKE* them popular.
Well since this is apparently doing numbers: @dqita.bsky.social Is my pride month art project :)
deceasing trans rights isn’t even a popular position. Most Americans don’t want that, polls show. Searchlight is nothing more than a propaganda machine designed to remove human rights
That those positions are “popular” is a wholly manufactured talking point. They simply *want* them to be popular.
exactly
Capitalists can't have morally exemplary positions
Searchlight, more like shitfish.
The first thing I want in a think tank, is people who a ctually understand the problem, It's way bigger than Trump. There's a huge gap between what half the country wants, and what the other half want. If we don't find out what that problem is, getting rid of Trump will make no difference.
I don’t think there’s a huge gap. That’s just marketing to make people crazy. We all want the same things.
No president should be marketing anything. I see it a way to fleece his sheep. He would have made a great televangelist.
I meant, marketing ideas, not products. Trying to make us hate each other.
Ok, I understand. Take care, Jennifer.
Centrist strategy: "Listen, they just want a couple of babies every once in a while, alright? And you gotta admit some of them kids do come out looking and smelling pretty delicious. I think this is the fairest approach to maintain our Democracy..."
Spineless.
If the race to the bottom is the only way to win then I’d rather our country crumple and die because we no longer embody the ideals we were founded on. We were always far from perfect and progress was slow but now we’re going backwards.
1: Treating men like shit (unless they claim to be women) is a core value of the left so you won’t ever get votes from men. 2: Women are fighting back against the push to allow men in dresses into women’s restrooms and making real women uncomfortable. 3: People are tired of the left’s delusions.
JENTLESON? he just got famous for helping make John fetterman literally insane. Throw his ass in a bog and disband the think tank. He should not be anywhere near anyone trying to win.
You din't fot to fire the author necessarily but like does she have a supervisor who can tell her saying stupid shit is bad?
dear gods they have someone who helped Fetterman on this "think tank?" We don't need anyone else like him ever again.
Someone who has been working with him up until like March of this year!!!!
Go progressive or fuck off.
Yes!!! And that means not voting for rep or dems
What do we do, wait for Jill Stein to come out of her basement in 3 years, lose and then disappear?
She’s not progressive. She’s a Russian asset.
Even if we don’t agree, Mark S., your presence here makes me happy. 🙂
Oh, I totally agree with that. I was being sarcastic. Sorry!
It’s all good. 🙂
yeah, we needed another think tank that's gonna go "we need to create more space in our tent for right wingers and give them what they want"
Schumer, looks into camera, puts his glasses somehow further down his nose, and confidently says, "I'm sorry, but this is drumf 2.0" Using both hands, he puts on those sunglasses that go over regular glasses. No music. 500k to produce and distribute on social media.
“With a goal of word smithing policies that benefit the ultra wealthy and large corporations, hoping to fool more voters” There, I fixed it for you. (If they were really interested in broadly popular opinions, it takes 2 seconds to figure those out.)
I find it amazing that both the dems and their hard core supporters don't seem to get it. Probably because they are so old and senile.
Why do y’all just make things up to make things as awful as possible lol
There it is again blaming voters instead of leaders for just describing reality.
I am literally just summarizing the article lmao
Your interpretation is wild then
Their specific example of an effective Republican ad was one attacking trans people, so exactly who *do* you think they're suggesting get thrown under the bus? Kamala tried to run to the right. A pro-fracking pro-Israel gun-loving candidate celebrating an endorsement by Dick Cheney. How'd that go?
Malonkey1 is correct: those people are never going to vote for you. That doesn't mean, one should add, *alienate* the centre. The proper target is "sounding moderate and open to compromise while not abandoning your ideals". Because trying to abandon your ideals makes you sound insincere.
For example, re: climate messaging: WRONG: "By the end of my term, we'll have shut down oil production!" RIGHT: "We need to rapidly accelerate the transition off oil, while being mindful that we still need oil in the meantime" WRONG: "Climate change is important, but so are jobs in oil drilling!"
Eg.: stick to the ideals, while throwing a bone to the centre (option #2). Don't abandon principles (option #3 above, making it sound like you'd sacrifice the climate for oil jobs), but also don't scare the centre off ("OMG, they're going to crash the economy by eliminating oil without replacement!)
I dunno man, when you have an org actively courting ardent centrists and pitching, and I quote, "independence from liberal and progressive interest groups" and "a complete rejection of race- and group-based identity politics" the writing on the wall is in very big, very clearly printed letters.
Congratulations, the article meant to make you mad made you mad. It’s politico and it’s June 2025. You’ll be alright and the democrats aren’t going to throw minorities to the side.
I think it's funny how in this thread you've stepped back from "you made this up" to "you're interpreting this wrong" to "it's nothing stop worrying about it" instead of actually standing by anything you said. do you actually believe the things you type or is this some type of defense mechanism?
You’ve made up an entire scenario in your head to overly freak out about in June 2025 about elections 18 months away I’m just telling you that your meme is an intense over reaction and it’ll do absolutely no good for you or your politics at all. That shit helps the other team. Have a good day.
Literally the only one making anything up here is just your fash ass. This is easily proven by your inability to disprove what anyone else says coupled with the constant goalpost shifts you utilize when faced with pushback by anyone left of fascist. Youre not fooling anyone , youre on team Fash
LOL. There is nothing the Democrats are better at than throwing minorities to the side.
Dems have been actively working to throw minorities to the side since the start of the year. Hell, they signed off on the most disgusting anti lgbtq legislation that’s been proposed in the US as soon as they could.
*fails to disprove/explain how a single part of it is “wild”* I’m sorry that, like every other shade of braindead right wing cultist, you simply cannot handle being exposed to facts.
It’s literally not made up, but a very direct reference to what’s proposed in the article. Why do Blue Fascist worshipping Shitlibs constantly demonstrate they’re just as disconnected from reality as their Trump Humper brethren?
I'm so sick of them blaming their shit performance on us holy shit. Something tells me their popular positions won't include divestment from Israel, which 55% of Americans view unfavourably.
Speaking of trans people and their precarious position, you may enjoy reading my comic I have pinned in profile
Seriously, stop with the "precarious"/"existential" apocalyptic framing of election losses. They lost a single election to someone who had 100 times the campaigning time their candidate did. And the Republicans are unleashing hell on America. The Dems are in a decent position.
Agree. I like who Democrats are right now! I'm not changing just to win. Why adapt when you are already on the right side of history. MAGA will flame and burn one day, hopefully sooner rather than later. Concentrate on getting the message out, BE RELENTLESS ! 💙💙
Oh, I don't like who they are. I think they're being weak and stupid, and should be moving to gather around a candidate right now. They need to act. But it's a two-party system with a government threatening to ruin lives across the country. That's a great position to fight back from.
No issues. Acting weak and stupid is different from changing philosophy to meet the moment. I like who I am as a human being. And, the Democratic philosophy is closest to my personal beliefs.
So far they appear to think fascism is our future and they might as well join in. They are collaborators at best.
and then do nothing they say they will do while filling their pockets with dough
Sounds awful. The Democrats don't want anyone to vote for them.
🤷♂️ I'm sure they know what they're doing - but it feels like holding a focus group in a Godzilla flattened Tokyo to find out how people feel about eating radioactive dust .. while Godzilla is still stomping around with his radioactive beam flattening any bits of the city still standing?
And it will be a bad strategy. Instead of AOC or Bernie thinking it will be let's push some white guy. They think because two women lost that a woman can't win. They are wrong. And I still believe that Bernie could have beaten Trump the first time.
I wish democrats would drop the anti-gun and trans-sports rhetoric. These two issues alone keep a lot of people away. If we keep pushing for gun bans and for trans-athletes in women's sports we are going to give away another election to slimy Trump cronies.
We don’t need to appeal to the Republicans. We win when we are authentic.
We lost to the biggest clown of all time and need to figure out how to prevent that from ever happening again. We currently have the most corrupt admin of the modern era, with federal goons rounding people up to ship out of country. Democrats need to be pro-2nd Amendment.
I cannot vote for a republican, but I also cannot vote for someone that wants to take away my 2nd Amendment rights to self defense either. We need to get Hogg out and drop the anti-gun rhetoric and focus on shit that matters and how to keep grifters out of office.
Bro Kamala kept getting told to stop being impolite and shit by her handlers and Walz was basically taped up over his mouth. When Walz was no longer smothered by the dem strategists he was getting way more support. The GOP is full of weirdos and that was the closet Harris got to being sincere.
What’s wrong with trans athletes who have taken the proper steps to detransition in order to get rid of their advantage like taking estrogen?
Male puberty provides permanent advantages that cannot be reversed with hormones, but worse, we have self-ID where a male can identify as female and compete in many sports without any transition steps taken. We need to defend women's sex-based rights. If any man can ID female, women have lost.
That is somewhat true- but think of sports like golf. Golf is strategy based. How would a trans woman have any upper hand in that? In addition, estrogen greatly reduces the amount of testosterone in their bodies, so the performance is roughly the same. Not letting them play is plain unfair.
That is a simplistic take on golf. Women on average cannot hit the ball as strong as men, they hit flatter, and put less spin on the ball, which is why they usually have different tees, handicap, and bogey/course/slope ratings.
Republicans were screaming about "men competing against girls" in CHESS. Can people stop with the ridiculous claim that physical advantages had ANYTHING to do with the stance? It's bigotry, plain and simple.
Protecting women's sex based rights is not ridiculous, it is necessary.
".. And thus to protect women, we're going to join with the party who desires to bring about a real-life Gilead!"
Nobody in their right mind supports the republican crusade against freedom and liberty. This thread is about how the Democratic party dropped the ball and let the grifter clowns take control of our country. Democrats need to focus on winning issues and drop anti-gun and anti-woman issues.
Supporting trans people isn’t “anti women.” First of all, that’s called misogyny, and second off NOT supporting trans women isn’t misogyny, because it’s essentially claiming trans people to be lesser and women to be frail. The democrats did one right thing supporting them.
lmao. Misogyny is men telling women that men are allowed to identify as women and invade their sports and spaces and telling women they can't do anything it or they're bigots.
Preach dude, it’s just the government trying to gain control over people. They don’t care about minorities, let alone women. Trans people are just a scapegoat to oppress others- similar to how the Jews were persecuted in 1938.
MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE STARTED DOING THIS 10 YEARS AGO. fuck... Now let's just hope broadly popular means with us and not the fucking billionaires
The most popular messaging in the world isn't gonna matter if everyone thinks your candidate is a soulless, corporate hack with zero personality.
The problem is the Dems can’t think and the country tired of their bullshit. Remember
Like being against genocide and for Medicare for All?
That I can't tell if he's criticizing democrats or magats is interesting.
Dems, IMO. The MAGA folks don't care if the public likes their racism. It just makes them do it harder, because they want to change that. The Dem party leadership doesn't actually believe in anything, so they think they can win by following public opinion wherever the GOP leads it.
Yeah in this metaphor Republicans are the audience
Yeah honestly republicans have the kinda thing where their voterbase is kinda primed to vote for them no matter what So they can do whatever, dems are just trying to cash in on the same tactics and losing votes
My most charitable interpretation is that the ppl who've been running the party since the Clinton years have been unable to get over Reagan and the Cold War. They're a perfect example of the danger of gerontocracy - it's so easy to end up being ruled by people who're fixated on the past.
oh yeah no they're all huge fans of reagan pretty openly Despite him being one of the most openly fascistic presidents in the modern era prior to Trump
I don't know why it shocked me that their response to Trump's SOTU involved praising Reagan, but I thought they'd reached the bottom of their political incompetence.
Dems follow the GOP messaging because Dems don’t have the propaganda network that the GOP does. There’s no counter messaging at the same scale. Instead of “staying out of the mud,” it might be high time to invest in expansive, repetitive network messaging. And stay off Fox.
Yeah. If they believe in anything, it's a West Wing fantasy of the "good guys" always winning if they trust the oh-so-perfect process.
Im normally not a "both sides are equally bad" gal but recently both sides are very much doing this. And not just with racism, but misogyny, homophobia, etc. When dril originally posted this it was more apparent on the alt right side of the spectrum but now everyone who craves power is doing it.
For me, both sides were bad 10 years ago. Maga decided to sprint ahead, and now democrats are... trying to catch up?
Oops, forgot xenophobia... A classic!
Ah, focusing on the best policies...that aren't progressive, and are moderate. So, not the BEST ones. Just, ya know, ones. Great job that's basically been the exact strategy from the dems my entire life and it's constantly led to mediocrity.
Americans want their government burned to the ground and non-whites forcibly removed on live TV. 76M voters made this clear. Trumps current approval rating makes it even more clear. Anyone not advocating for the above is irrelevant to most 21st century Americans. We are a broken society.
Many Americans aren't allowed to vote thanks to new ID requirements and others have been in districts where the voting sites are intentionally understaffed so a long line of several hours forms. Even if more than half the people who voted picked Trump it's not the majority of voters.
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If the House of Representatives and the Senate get decapitated, they can hold all the positions they like. The are ornamental now. Then Trump will save money by ending the puppet show. What you got planned for attempted Equal Branch Decapitation? Please tell me they are having THAT conversation!
I have no hope. 🤦 Dems spend all their efforts on focus groups, corporate marketing campaigns, research hubs, polls about polls. Just ask AOC what her supporters care about. You'll find broadly popular positions right there and save a lot of money.
My kingdom for a democratic party with backbone.
The fact that they feel the need to form a think tank is illustrative of the problem. JUST LISTEN TO WHAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE TELLING YOU! 😂
OTP vp
When left-wing former Dem voters abandon the party over the constant drift to the right, the centrists scold them for not voting against fascism. And if one points out that maybe they should give people something to vote *for*, one is also scolded as being immoral and "part of the problem".
I realized the other day that calling people who didn't vote for Harris immoral, unethical, and responsible for fascism and every other bad thing Trump does is barely different from Trump calling people who didn't vote for him "scum", except with SAT words.
...or, and try to stay with me here because this is going to sound crazily radical, instead of trying to focus group their way to electoral success, they could try believing in something. Ideally, something that is good for ordinary people, rather than the Racism & Facism banner of the Right.
The article is so much worse than the title. He calls for: “independence from liberal and progressive interest groups” “a complete rejection of race- and group-based identity politics.” If you're using the language of rightwing media, you're probably on the edge of joining the right yourself.
The dems have always been center-right. They have more in common with the GOP than they do with progressives. Every single evil thing the GOP has done could not have been done without the dems support at one point or another.
"He urged elected officials to not be afraid of alienating powerful groups that dictated much of the 2020 Democratic presidential primary" That's the election Democrats won, if memory serves.
“reject the rigid mores and vocabulary of college-educated elites.” Adam Jentleson is son of a Duke University professor who went to Columbia University and uses words like "mores" which no good American can correctly pronounce.
The satire really does write itself.
I love the irony of mores being a word that you only learn in college. 😭
Mores the pity.
That's a more.
Mores money mores problems
Is a more when the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie?
“Mores rhymes with folkways” was how I always remembered it as a kid.
One time our teacher asked, “can anyone give an example of a more?” Paul Reubens had just been arrested. I raised my hand and replied, “masturbating in public.” The room went silent. I hope the double more stuck in at least one person’s head that day.
Yes, definitely ignore those groups so you can spend another cycle blaming them for not voting.
The Democratic "who else are you going to vote for?" strategy has never been a very good one.
just a regular corporate fash operative. FUCK NO.
america has two conservative parties one just lets trans people take a piss
Oh don't worry, Gavin Newsom already has plans for dealing with that second point.
He's excluding almost everyone but whites.
Also… this is just more of the same. This is not novel, this is status quo. Dems lost because they are perceived as squishy on these very things.
Which is why they shouldn't hire him as a strategist.
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The fact that he distinguishes between democrats, liberals, & progressives shows that he's too busy sniffing his own shorts to understand real voters.
“Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time.” — Harry S. Truman the democrats simply unlearned this lesson after bill clinton made it work once in an election with a strong 3rd party campaign
"but Obama and Biden were also 'Republican-Lite'" Yes, that's how they governed, but both RAN as change candidates vs. historically unpopular presidents. Obama ran as a progressive and Biden on Build Back Better -- a suite of progressive policy & COVID relief packages.
Can not forget that the disillusionment with Obama led directly to Trump
“How to lose votes and alienate voters”
Why do we have to whisper?
Are racism and anti-trans bigotry the popular positions they're thinking of?
I think you left out "Drill, baby, drill."
I knew I forgot something!
Whatever it takes. Win.
No. Not whatever it takes. Principles matter.
dems lose because people can tell they don’t believe in anything
This is exactly the strategy that's going to lose.
What is the point of “winning“ if you give up your principal positions? Might as well just become Republicans then.
believe in nothing, pivot to whatever you think will make you popular. that's called leadership
Fuck off with this rightwing drivel.
They are the stupidest MF's on earth. We aren't going to hand the party over to a bunch of old white farts. Fuck 'em! We will vote as we see fit.
Sounds like looking for members of the coalition to throw under the bus while they run rightwards. What is CONFUSING about 'give us affordable healthcare, give us affordable housing, give us affordable groceries, give us an equitable share in the economy we create, and STOP demonizing minorities!!"
So they stand for nothing then, Cowards and opportunists.
Like most are saying. Get out of your damn chair and stop giving speeches in congress when it’s almost empty. At this point you have to get your hands dirty and hit the streets, protest’s, go to your constituents and get them out there with you. If you don’t you are failing America! RESIST or fall!