As US pressure on Iran intensifies, allies like France warn against violent regime change. While many would welcome the fall of Iran’s leadership, Nahal Toosi says on #playbookpod: “The big question then is what happens after? And that’s … a Pandora’s box.” Listen here: ow.ly/uKCj50WbpQg
Deja vu
I stand with MACRON
The US has experience in regime change in a Middle East nation. It's called Iraq and Saddam Hussein. And we ended up keeping US troops there for 10 years due to the terrorists Iraq produced.
Add in the regime change in Iran putting the Shah in power back in the 50s.
Just for once can the UK, keep out of the Middle East conflict, we can't condemn the use of excessive force by Israel against the Palestinian people on one hand, and then back them over Iran on the other. If Trump wants to drag America into the fight, then that's their business, not ours.
Whenever anyone get's on this "regime change" kick, no one ever considers what or whom comes next. How many of these "changes" have occurred where a worse regime takes it's place?
What's America's track record on regime changes in the middle east again?
Violent regime change seems pretty illegal to me. Flip it round. If the nation currently being targeted had made the same threat, a public objective of a conflict against Israel or the US what would the reaction of people in those countries be?
This is where fascism wins. Republicans and conservatives love it when liberals are absorbed by distracting elements that have nothing to do with helping people live better lives. We must have one purpose. Abolish Citizens United. Until this is accomplished, nothing else can be fixed.
*just shaking head while looking at the floor.*
Violent regime change where, to be clear?
I mean, the policy has been such a success in Irak and Lybia, why not repeat it in Iran? Three's the magic number!
Success... Fall of Irak -> ISIS Fall of Lybia -> civil war
And slavery
Whoosh
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It has worked in S. Korea, Japan, Germany, and a bunch of other places. Unlike Iraq and Lybia, Iran has an educated population and a model to go back to. The vast majority of Iranians don't support the Mullahs. Help them to help themselves.
It works if there is a plan beyond regime change. I think it's significant that your examples are old, while mine are from the past few decades. It shows a failure of modern leadership, and there is no reason to think that this has improved in recent years
Can't think how you can get worse leadership in the US even if you tried. Then again, I can't see how you get a worse leadership for Iran: both for its own citizens and for the world. Gilead is a PG version of Iran.
I’ve been thinking about the many involvements the US have had in foreign conflicts in the last 75 years and I can’t think of one where they haven’t contributed to a complete fuck up. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan ….. nothing positive.
Similar to the Iraq debacle: topple everything; create a power vacuum; pretend everything will be okay.
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Republicans love war. War is money. Money is everything to them. Politico attempts to divert the public's attention from this fact
Like so many regime changes, "what comes next?" is a crucial question. Frequently there's hope but no plan
I'm sure trump's Taliban buddies would love to have another country to repress
Just a reminder that the American "Christian" right is full of batshit mental "Dominionists" who believe in the book of Revelations as a literal prophecy of the end of the world and believe fervently that an apocalyptic war starting in the Middle East will bring the return of Jesus.
Didn’t George W try this in Iraq? It doesn’t work. Moreover, what regime does our government want in Iran? A democracy? That’s a joke because they’re dismantling ours here.
Where is Tulsi Gabbard with her "Regime change." "Regime change." rhetoric ???? DNI my ass!
We - the US - are responsible for the current government in Iran. Those who forget the past…
Annihilating putin works but then there's all those co called "elitist's" to deal with? FFS, was this b.s. in the press in'45?
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Thank you for sharing a link from the white supremacist blog. Much to consider here.
You’re welcome. I don't care about his history. Is his analysis of *this* situation wrong?
If John Wayne Gacy wanted to throw your kid a birthday party, I would consult another expert.
Let’s ask it this way: how an attack and toppling of the Ayatollahs a *bad* thing? Iranians are all for it.
I had this discussion 22 years ago. I will politely decline to have this conversation with you.
It said that generals plan for the last war. Not every country is Iraq. Actually, it’s nothing like Iraq. But the most important thing is that Iranians are praying for help. But you have ideals.
We know what happens after that..
The pressure of the US demanding unconditional surrender and information for civilians to evacuate a city? Or the information that the US is in full control of the skies above Iran? Yes, war is a bit of "pressure" so I think Iran is feeling pressure 😹
France is absolutely correct. This neoconservative approach to foreign policy has been proven to not only be ineffective but also highly destabilizing in nations. Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya are the examples of that. This is because a power vacuum is created. The US needs to avoid the same mistake.
The United States is the country that needs regime change. We’ve gotten completely mad internally and externally with ourselves and the world.
Before we rush in to advocate for regime change, I would recommend that we remember some history. Under W Bush, nothing would do but we rush in to get rid of Saddam. The result, we had a new terrorist group called ISIS to deal with. When we meddle with the ME we usually end up making things worse
The world welcomes the fall of Israel’s leadership though
I'm old enough to remember when Trump ran on a "No Wars" platform.
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Bottom line There nuclear program is probably to deep for conventional weapons. Bibi is just gone nuts
Since when has this administration looked at the big picture?
Bibi n trump don’t want to go to prison so it’s gonna happen
This is not a US pressure on regime change in Iran. This was Iran's attempt to finish their nuclear heads to attack and destroy Israel and Israel preempted that action. Most Iranians are for the return of their King who was forced out in 1979. Is that a problem if the Sha returns to power afterwards
The West has such a good record on regime change in the Middle East... in fact, everywhere, Africa, Central and South America... what could go wrong?
Whenever we overthrow a regime we don't like, the result is always a stable, prosperous democracy that loves us. Right?
Those crazy cucks won't go for regime change. As insane as those fucknuts are, they'll opt to turn Iran into a damn sheet of glass, probably glass the colour of blood.
Our administration as well as Israel's doesn't give a shit about "next". It's why the GOP doesn't care about social safety nets, climate change, or starting unnecessary wars.
We need a regime change in usa
The Trump administration has approved >$14 billion in military aid to Israel since taking office in January, for committing genocide.
He is anyone’s dog that will feed him
Americas got allies? Once perhaps.
Nonsense. We will put either Eric or Don Jr., in charge of the country.
