How is this shifting the goalposts? I thought the story was about how the creators' contracts with Chorus required them to *avoid* certain topics, while also not disclosing their affiliation.
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That claim is so ridiculous to me. What possible topic would Democrats say to avoid because Dems are somehow worse on it? Gaza? Republicans are worse. Healthcare? Republicans are worse. Immigration? Republicans are worse. You name the topic, Republicans are worse. Why would Dems avoid them?
aug 30, 2025, 10:57 pm • 4 0 • view
But that's what's in all the contracts! What subject did they want them to avoid! Seems obvious lol
aug 31, 2025, 4:15 am • 4 0 • view
You tell me. As again, there's no subject that Democrats are worse than Republicans about, so there's no logical reason to avoid them when it benefits them to get to criticize Republicans about them.
aug 31, 2025, 10:18 am • 2 0 • view
Are you stupid or what? They are aligned with Israel, they aren't gonna criticise Republicans for also being aligned with Israel.
sep 1, 2025, 1:25 pm • 1 0 • view
I get that's certainly your conspiracy theory.
sep 1, 2025, 1:42 pm • 2 0 • view
can y'all shut up its labor day lmao go find a march
sep 1, 2025, 3:25 pm • 1 0 • view
I could say the same for you, since 1. guess what you're here same as I am, 2. unlike you folks at least I'm posting something intelligent.
sep 1, 2025, 3:27 pm • 1 0 • view
I'm eating a snack before i march lol
sep 1, 2025, 3:27 pm • 0 0 • view
sep 1, 2025, 3:28 pm • 2 0 • view
Is it your opinion that they're being paid to not talk about Gaza?
aug 31, 2025, 5:05 am • 6 0 • view
Well we don't know right lol, that's not spelled out in the contracts? That's not what Taylor reported either. I would bet anyone writing up contracts like that is not going to spell out what topics are off limits anyways; they want as much control as possible, and a list of topics is limiting.
aug 31, 2025, 5:16 am • 2 0 • view
In other threads, you said it was likely. Why are you changing your stance now that you're being directly asked? Why spin more conspiracy theories with zero evidence?
aug 31, 2025, 5:19 am • 14 0 • view
Honestly, because you directly asked! It made me take a beat. So I went back and read the story again. You're right that it's not "don't talk about these subjects." Given who got contracts, I still think they're choosing folks who shy away from criticizing the DNC over Gaza.
aug 31, 2025, 5:37 am • 0 0 • view
Here's the thing: Why would they have to? There's no reason to criticize the DNC over Gaza in the first place. 1. Democrats tried to help Gaza with ceasefires, humanitarian aid, etc, and towards the end Dems tried to stop weapons sales and Republicans blocked them. What actual criticism is there?
aug 31, 2025, 10:15 am • 1 0 • view
2. Republicans are the ones in charge right now, not Democrats, and they're much, much, much worse. So the more logical talking about Gaza to do is criticizing *Republicans* for actively helping Israel in various ways. Ergo, there's no need for the overt restrictions you're worried about.
aug 31, 2025, 10:15 am • 1 0 • view
Lmaoooooo holy shit, so you made up a conspiracy whole cloth in order to defend someone who made up key aspects of her story to the point that Wired had to issue corrections? Do you ever wonder if *y'all* are the problem? Just one, long, constant, "ah, well, nevertheless..."
aug 31, 2025, 5:48 am • 8 0 • view
Absolutely none of your priors were shifted even after you took a strong stance based on your own delusions. Brilliant example of what's wrong with the modern political environment.
aug 31, 2025, 5:50 am • 6 0 • view
Lol sir calm tf down. Me getting overheated then backing down over a nuanced point is me maintaining a conspiracy theory? Chorus not being explicit in writing is a smart way to do business. But you have to be kidding me if you're saying Gaza criticism is widely accepted and would be endorsed.
aug 31, 2025, 7:25 am • 1 0 • view
You come off as having a conspiracy theory because you're asserting Democrats are telling people to avoid certain topics when there's no logical reason to do so. The surest sign of a conspiracy theory is when someone is accused of doing a shady thing that provides no benefit over doing it straight.
aug 31, 2025, 10:17 am • 1 0 • view
Sir, examine why you got out over your skis in the first place. Examine why you *continue* to hyperfixate about Gaza when not even Lorenz made any claims about the topic.
aug 31, 2025, 7:27 am • 8 0 • view
People have seen the contracts. There's nothing about Gaza in them. There is language restricting them from advocating specific political campaigns because Chorus is an *issue based* advocacy group, not "The Democrats" as Lorenz & others falsely claim.
aug 31, 2025, 5:42 pm • 9 1 • view
I think what people are pissed about is how both Brian and David are clearly circling the wagons and shooting the messenger. Not a great look.
aug 31, 2025, 5:58 pm • 0 0 • view
Lorenz is all but calling them the paid mouthpieces of Nancy Pelosi. I can't imagine why they'd take exception to that. It's not the first time Lorenz has been called out for nonfactual reporting. I don't lnow why anyone pasy attention to her.
aug 31, 2025, 6:34 pm • 17 4 • view
> all but calling Those are your words not hers.
aug 31, 2025, 6:38 pm • 0 0 • view
1630 is the parent group of Chorus & they're pretty open about their priorities. They rarely engage directly in elections.
aug 31, 2025, 5:46 pm • 3 0 • view
Because giving up on the story means there's now less ammo they can use against liberals.
aug 31, 2025, 5:20 am • 4 0 • view
It's the world's dumbest story. Republicans have been in charge for months. They're the ones who own everything that's happening since January 20th. Why tf is anyone at all, anywhere, criticizing Dems for what's going on? Of all the things that prove Democrat Derangement Syndrome is real.
aug 31, 2025, 10:48 am • 4 0 • view
It also proves Free Palestine was intentionally working to sabotage Democrats. They used to claim they were protesting Dems as Dems were the ones in charge. That already got suspicious when they went after Jeffries instead of Johnson after Repubs won the House, but now it's very obviously false.
aug 31, 2025, 10:48 am • 2 0 • view
That's the real issue.
aug 30, 2025, 10:57 pm • 0 0 • view
Yes it's kind of remarkable how much work all these guys are doing to make it seem like something else. This is pretty straight forward lol. It's also not a huge scandal or anything, it's just stupid! They're literally breathing more life into the story!
aug 31, 2025, 4:36 am • 7 0 • view
You mean all the work Lorenz and far leftists are doing to make up a story that doesn't actually exist?
aug 31, 2025, 11:13 am • 3 0 • view
The hit dogs have been hollering.
sep 2, 2025, 5:21 pm • 0 0 • view
No lies detected. Far leftists have been hollering a lot after getting hit for their BS.
sep 2, 2025, 5:23 pm • 1 0 • view
Sure…
sep 2, 2025, 5:24 pm • 0 0 • view
Sorry. Have you folks tried ever having any actual honest, sincere, and good faith complaints or comments about literally anything? The constant stream of manufactroveries about Democrats gets tired, and makes me wonder what you all get out of Useful Idioting for Republicans.
sep 2, 2025, 6:04 pm • 0 0 • view
Even if that were the case (and it is now demonstrably not), that’s a non-story; most work-for-hire gigs have similar clauses (“don’t shit talk the client while under contract”). Taylor tried to frame a “water is wet” issue as some sort of clandestine scandal.
aug 30, 2025, 11:47 pm • 37 0 • view
No, bro. The contracts explicitly state that they need to run any interviews they do in the future with politicians by Chorus' people. This is a form of editorialising and is certainly not in every work-for-hire contract.
sep 2, 2025, 7:52 am • 0 0 • view
I disagree, story comes off as “A key tenet of the White House Press Corps is that the parties don’t get to choose their own Press Corps. And here we see D’s are circumventing that tenet & many other principles of the Fourth Estate by hiding their intent as arbiters in this new media ecosystem.”
aug 31, 2025, 4:29 pm • 0 0 • view
oh jfc Democrats are as fucked as they deserve to be. You people just want a better plutocracy and i want you to look at POTUS right now and realize that that's what your better plutocracy looks like.
aug 31, 2025, 1:24 am • 9 0 • view
Sorry dude, but you don’t get to say repubs are the same as dems while you try to defend someone who’s decided they’re all in with repubs
aug 31, 2025, 9:05 am • 3 0 • view
Do you think that during my time working as a freelance copywriter, I should have had the liberty to publicly shit-talk my clients while producing work under contract for them? That this is within the bounds of professional ethics?
aug 31, 2025, 2:12 am • 18 0 • view
Oh this is gold. Absolute gold. You have the government you deserve. You better enjoy it.
aug 31, 2025, 2:16 am • 9 0 • view
Shut up and go ideate on your own time.
aug 31, 2025, 5:14 am • 4 0 • view
lol calm down
aug 31, 2025, 2:18 am • 4 0 • view
They sound like a deranged nihilist.
aug 31, 2025, 3:57 am • 4 0 • view
Probably got that gas mask on a little bit too tight.
aug 31, 2025, 4:11 am • 4 0 • view
He's just here to shill his website, the link is in his bio
sep 2, 2025, 11:43 am • 0 0 • view
"You have the government you deserve" because some version of "don't talk shit about the person paying the bills" is pro forma boilerplate in almost every single employee code of conduct & freelancer contract? Are you employed? You might have a surprise in store.
aug 31, 2025, 2:52 am • 14 1 • view
Theyre not copywriting, they're doing political commentating, and they are vaguely journalists. It's a different standard.
aug 31, 2025, 4:19 am • 7 0 • view
You’re not going to like that makes your favourite tiktok political personalities
aug 31, 2025, 9:07 am • 2 0 • view
They’re doing public relations work, which like copywriting is a form of marketing.
aug 31, 2025, 4:24 am • 9 0 • view
That's not what they said lol David Pakman is not doing PR work for the Dems! Neither is Brian Tyler Cohen! They present themselves as independent. I wouldn't have a problem with them getting paid but just make it clear then.
aug 31, 2025, 4:30 am • 10 0 • view
Go outside
aug 31, 2025, 4:10 am • 1 0 • view
Lol were you writing under your own name and not disclosing the company that paid you to say it? Their defense seems to be "yeah that's in the contract but it wasn't enforced because none of us violated it."
aug 31, 2025, 3:52 am • 2 0 • view
Yes, frequently. Writing marketing copy or technical manuals usually involves having access to non-public proprietary information; discretion is expected even when it isn’t mandatory. Non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) are common, and non-competes aren’t unheard of.
aug 31, 2025, 4:09 am • 2 0 • view
And these manuals are published under your name as an independent expert? What are you talking about? How do you not get the difference?
aug 31, 2025, 5:31 am • 0 0 • view
if leftists will pay people to say they're idiots then I will happily take the money
aug 31, 2025, 7:23 am • 3 0 • view
They’re contractually obligated to “collaborate fully” on any engagements “with government officials or others on topics related to Chorus’s policy agenda”. This wildly different than not talking shit about your secret benefactor.
sep 2, 2025, 5:27 pm • 0 0 • view
1) no, this is pretty common stuff for a lot of contract marketing work 2) it's also VERY common for any sort of government-related contracting work, even if you're not handling CUI or classified info, for both legal and NatSec-related reasons. I've done both.
sep 2, 2025, 5:32 pm • 2 0 • view
“Contract marketing”? Who are they doing marketing for?
sep 2, 2025, 5:34 pm • 0 0 • view
So you didn't even *read* the article in question, I see.
sep 2, 2025, 5:43 pm • 2 0 • view
I read the article. You’re welcome to answer the question.
sep 2, 2025, 5:44 pm • 0 0 • view
The answer to the question is in the article. Mostly I am now just assuming your reading comprehension skills are subpar.
sep 2, 2025, 6:01 pm • 1 0 • view
It's clear they're sealioning you.
sep 2, 2025, 6:03 pm • 0 0 • view
I’m barely pressing and you guys are getting very shy.
sep 2, 2025, 6:12 pm • 0 0 • view
Amigo, if I wanted to spend some time with sea lions I'd just head down to my local beach.
sep 2, 2025, 6:19 pm • 1 0 • view
I’ve read the article. You can’t answer?
sep 2, 2025, 6:03 pm • 0 0 • view
I have no need to. Neither your comprehension nor your satisfaction are my concern. And I have an ironclad rule about not allowing anonymous strangers on the internet to give me homework assignments.
sep 2, 2025, 6:16 pm • 0 0 • view
So you can’t.
sep 2, 2025, 6:17 pm • 0 0 • view
Paying voices in the party to not speak on the genocide is absolutely a story.
aug 31, 2025, 3:54 am • 5 0 • view
Hey good thing no one was actually doing that, and this is just a lil’ spark of nuttiness fizzling between your ears.
aug 31, 2025, 4:10 am • 16 0 • view
I mean that seems like absolutely what happened
aug 31, 2025, 4:13 am • 0 0 • view
Bless your heart.
aug 31, 2025, 11:07 am • 0 0 • view
Based on what evidence?
aug 31, 2025, 5:09 am • 11 0 • view
Feel free to share this.
aug 31, 2025, 5:10 am • 1 0 • view
Is that why bryan Tyler Cohen nor David pakman have said a single word on the issue? If you arent espousing Progressive ideals for EVERYONE in the world, you aren't progressive . You are picking and choosing. The voices she called out have completely avoided one of the worst atrocities in the world
aug 31, 2025, 4:14 am • 3 0 • view
As someone who follows both, Pakman and BTC have never said much about Gaza to begin with, and when they did it was to correctly point out Republicans have always been much worse about it. Turns out nobody is obligated to be obsessed with what was always a manufactroversy where Dems are concerned.
aug 31, 2025, 11:14 am • 8 0 • view
I hope one day you are fully able to grasp just how disgusting the statements you just made are.
aug 31, 2025, 11:16 am • 7 0 • view
"OK, fair enough, if Pakman and BTC have never said much about Gaza, and only criticized Republicans when they did, that is my answer that this is obviously not why they don't talk about it the way I want them to talk about it. Thanks, I'll delete my unfounded accusation." Fixed that for you.
aug 31, 2025, 11:47 am • 2 0 • view
I fully grasp that you have an irrational obsession with bashing Democrats even when there is no logical or factual reason to do so, but it's nobody else's obligation to care or go along with it. And only disgusting thing here is your protecting Republicans from accountability with your obsession.
aug 31, 2025, 11:49 am • 2 0 • view
Republicans are objectively worse about Gaza. So there is zero justified reason for any leftist influencer (or any leftist at all) to criticize Democrats on the matter vs criticizing Repubs. Certainly no valid reason to do it now when Repubs own everything that happened in the past several months.
aug 31, 2025, 11:54 am • 3 0 • view
It's very strange. I've called out a few of these trollish Dem-bashers, reminding them that Trump is now in charge and is MUCH worse, and they just get mad and lash out.
aug 31, 2025, 12:50 pm • 1 0 • view
That’s a false dichotomy. No independent person has to choose between criticizing Rs or Ds Only paid political ops have to make that choice And the issue here is that these specific & paid political ops are refusing to state that they are being paid, yet still frame their coverage as independent
aug 31, 2025, 4:34 pm • 4 0 • view
What's disgusting is your obsession with Democrats when TRUMP IS IN CHARGE. Are you paid by the right wing?
aug 31, 2025, 12:48 pm • 1 0 • view
If you’re hired to do PR or influencer campaigns for specific people, the job is to boost *those specific people*. That’s the gig! It’s very common in every form of marketing!
aug 31, 2025, 4:21 am • 5 0 • view
These folks were not hired to do PR! They're doing political commentary, seemingly independently. I mean it's sort of a problem for someone like Pakman not to disclose the relationship. Obviously he is Dem leaning but I was under the impression he didn't have a financial relationship with the party.
aug 31, 2025, 4:27 am • 3 0 • view
And he still doesn't have a financial relationship with Democrats, because Chorus isn't funded by the DNC.
aug 31, 2025, 11:12 am • 1 0 • view
BTC's "scholarships" are work for hire gigs now lol
sep 3, 2025, 11:50 pm • 0 0 • view