So, can you explain how is this a useful thing to say about someone mostly indistinguishable from a cisgender man? Can you explain what practical, useful effect it has on the world to look at someone who looks and behaves exactly like a cisgender man and go, "that's a woman"?

It is linguistic manipulation and a request to deny what we see in front of us. No one is advocating it as a public shaming, but it's important to understand when people are disowning their sexed reality.

Again, we established as this scenario that what you're seeing in front of you is someone literally visually and behaviorally indistinguishable from a cisgender man. So, can you explain what useful purpose calling such a person a woman serves in the actual scenario being discussed?

Please review this thread, which began with a doctor using the term "pregnant people". I corrected that to only women can get pregnant, then - because someone suggested that girls who are raped can get pregnant - I added only female people can get pregnant.

Yes, and, you have yet to explain any actual pragmatic, useful, tangible purpose to insisting on the term "women" for transgender men or non-binary people. You've given me purely ideological reasons that nobody without the same ideology is going to give a s--- about, but no objective reasoning.

The fact that no one can change sex is not ideological. The idea that someone can is.

So, you're admitting it serves literally zero purpose for you except your being an asshole for no reason, since you're literally incapable of giving an actual useful, practical reason for this?

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Seriously, I've asked you four times now to give me an actual useful, life-improving reason for calling someone a woman even if they're a transgender man or non-binary. And you keep giving me things that nobody needs to give a s--- about if they don't share your transphobic ideology.

What makes you think I have to answer to you?

True you don't have to give me anything that justifies your stances as anything other than ideological hogwash. But that just means that neither I nor anyone else has to view your stance as anything other than ideological hogwash. I was being nice and letting you make your case, and you whiffed. 🤷‍♀️

"The fact that no one can change sex is not ideological" It is, because nobody has any reason to care about this claim if they're not transphobic. It certainly has zero actual useful or practical objective relevance to anyone other than the transgender person.

Transphobia is a slur used to silence women (or people, if you prefer) who advocate for same-sex spaces and sports.

This isn't even much of a hypothetical, to be clear, as I certainly can trivially bring up pictures of transgender men that would be nigh impossible to identify as not cisgender if you didn't already know they were transgender.