Of all the strange interactions I've ever had on social media A British person telling me that chicken ticket masala is British cuisine is really really high up there.
Of all the strange interactions I've ever had on social media A British person telling me that chicken ticket masala is British cuisine is really really high up there.
It is british, hell, the Indian side of my family never heard of the fish until a couple of them studied abroad in England in the 70s. Chicken tikka masala is to Indian cuisine as General Tso's chicken is to Chinese cuisine as the Taco Bell menu is to Mexico.
That is true for a lot of cuisines wrt to indian origins . Southeast Asian paratha ,roti,curry. East Asian curry.caribbean,southern african,eastern african chapati,roti,curry etc
Do you also think General Tso’s chicken is from China?
Muting, have fun british people
I believe the British people are, indeed, having fun. At Bill's expense.
I'm Irish, you're a dumb yankee bitch
Here's your big tent Dem account, lying about your allies like a MAGA and then just ignoring any evidence because your feelings are hurt
We should just reply to any other of his threads...
To the pinned tweet. Make him unpin it rather than admit he might have something to learn from people who aren’t ignorant of British history.
He is, like a dog returning to his vomit, now doubling down on replies to me under that pinned post.
Not going to apologise and admit you were wrong to say that British Asians aren't actually British?
"I lost the argument so now I'm ignoring you" - How Trumpian!
“Hiding an argument I lost means I actually won it, you fools!”
“Needless to say…”
This is why you never learn anything.
Ah! Well. Nevertheless,
Twat
Chicken tikka masala was invented in Glasgow, by British people. The fact they had brown skin doesn’t alter that. See also balti, invented in Birmingham by British people.
Yikes....mibbe delete this one big fella LOL
Its british cuisine. It was created in Scotland by a British man who immigrated from Bangladesh. We dont call hamburgers German food.
You maaaaaiiiiight jus be a redneck ma frennn
what makes "Italian-American" food American and why does it not apply to Indian-British food being British
It’s qwhite the mystery, isn’t it?
And indian cooking techniques entered Britain way before italian did in america
Just wait 'til he hears about Balti...
idiot lmaooooo
Immigration exists, William.
His whole nation exists because of immigration. The real Americans have been relegated to reservations, I believe. Obviously, I'm not American, so I can't be 100% there
Yankee go home
Considering it was invented by British Indians then yes, yes it is British
Oh god you’re a yank as well — news flash buddy, Mongolian Beef isn’t actually Mongolian
In Britain!
You can still delete this
that is because you are a racist 👍
"Chicken Ticket Masala"
Feeling like a bit of a masalahole, aren’t you?
If I didn't know that tílka masala was invented in Britain by British people I would simply shut up.
This is a really shocking statement from someone who claims themselves to be historian. You're going to have a hard time explaining the " British history" of Indian food without digging into colonialism. " Hey how did the British get that... Oh they stole it."
"people who immigrated from Indian and adapted their cuisine to local ingredients and local tastes is stealing" is a hell of a victim blaming, are you really so racist as to blame indians for being colonised?
ah you're american, that explains it. you're just racist and don't think anybody who can't trace their way back to 1066 is *really* british. go fuck your sister.
A lot of people are calling you dumb so I won't repeat that, but not only are you wrong (tikka masala is british), but the guys who invented it were british citizens with Bangladeshi ancestry, not Indian. Or is every South Asian an Indian to you?
You just got to the root of his argument. “Brown people can’t possibly be British.”
I love it when people like this try so hard to be right on and only end up sounding racist.
Sorry fella, this has been long discussed in the UK, and most people acknowledge it was created in the UK. Nobody is doubting its origins. In the late 1990's Chicken Tikka Masala was named by the then UK Foreign Secretary as "Britain's true national dish" (2001)
It's not a native Indian dish. It was invented in Glasgow. Embarrassing for you.
I think it seems shocking cause u very stupid
Aw man you didn’t need to double down
Let him keep digging, I say!
You're accusing immigrants of stealing their own culture you fucking moron.
Given that Americans can claim shit like Apple Pie, Hamburger, and Pizza as American you’d think they’d understand the immigrant experience.
"Hey let me get one of those Frankfurters" "Do you know where the Frankfurter was created?" "Sure do, Frankfurter Ohio. USA! USA!"
Ich bin ein Berliner
I have, as I live and breathe, in all truth been asked by an irritated American "OH YEAH? SO IF THEY'RE NOT AMERICAN, WHERE ARE HAMBURGERS FROM, SMART GUY?"
Hamburger always gets me, it's literally named after a German city!
they were actually originally called
That’s a regional dialect
ah, what region?
Upstate New York
How the hell do they claim pizza?
…I got nothing. Wow.
This is my favourite summation bsky.app/profile/grhy...
There's also the racism of course
Americans, never dodging the racism allegations. Sticking it to the British by doing “a dog born in a barn isn’t a horse” but make it woke.
Hard to work out if this guy thinks it was created in india and imported or if he doesnt think british-indian people count
I simply don't understand why Americans are so addicted to being weirdly racist about the UK and why it makes them feel so good, but here we are.
I have a theory why that is, but I suspect voicing it publicly will make bsky unusable for me for at least a week
Whenever people start trying to make fun of other countries food online i start a little countdown in my head of people being really, really racist while convinced theyre making fun of white people
tbf, i wonder if this is an "Americans being weird & racist about food in general" thing bc most USA folks don't say American Chinese food's American. Like, most ppl probs understand that American Chinese food often isn't Chinese Chinese food. But nobody says it/lauds it as American, which is odd.
Yeah that's interesting. Like General Tso's chicken is a wonderful american food which I miss, and I am not sure people would say it is! Like crab rangoon.
It's also they don't understand the difference between a Domino's pizza and the one you eat in a restaurant looking out over the Bay of Naples and oh god I need to go to Italy soooooon.
The assumption that citizens of Northern European countries must be white is frustratingly strong over here.
White Americans think all the important ppl are White - everyone else is invisible until something bad happens
invisible until they need somewhere to shift the blame
It's just so weird. Like why wouldn t we have a multicultural society??
He's saying browns can't be British. bsky.app/profile/snig...
Hold on, is it Suella Braverman's sock-puppet account we're interacting with?
Hahaha. Or Konstantin Kisin.
Yup so explicitly racist. Got it.
I mean ngl I woulda assumed it wasn’t from the uk, so this thread has been educational! Not bc I don’t think non white brits exist, just that I assumed we’d stolen it with everything else we’ve stole 😂🤦♂️
i learned this today as well, but i cop to being from the u.s.
Yeh idk what my excuse is 😂 now I fancy tikka masala tho 😂
Also does not know that Bangladesh and Pakistan are different nations. Profound ignorance.
I think they’d be very confused by the best Swedish dish: kebab pizza
It’s both. He found out about the first one then pivoted to the second one.
You're already thinking harder than he did
It's Scottish not British. It was originally deep fried until it travelled south.
When foreigners say that Brits can't handle spicy food, I like to point out that the hottest curry in the world was invented here in order to satisfy the cravings of lagered up West Midlanders, for whom a vindaloo was too mild.
And I've been with Indian coworkers who came straight from India who found vindaloo too spicy for their tastes...
Vindaloo originates from Goa which was a Portuguese colony so adapted to their tastes, it's not surprising that mainland Indians aren't keen (or that you can't find a decent one in the UK for love nor money)
According to the sainted Madhur Jaffrey the original vindaloo would have been a lot milder; the British meaning of "some bastard hot stunt curry" came later
In the east mids I've always found it mild (and bland) but at least containing aloo which they never did up north. I'm dubious about the vin though
The aloo bit is a mistranslation of D'Alho (garlic in Portuguese) as Hindi speakers heard it and assumed it was potato, the original sauce is garlic & vinegar
Oh! That's a much better idea.
It was the Portuguese who introduced the chili pepper to India in goa, hence why goa is ground zero for hot Indian curries
I know this to be fact but you couldn't prove it by my bestie at primary school, who was from Delhi: 'I've only put a tiny bit of chili in it, Sneezy'. Me:
My grandmother’s vindaloo recipe was so spicy, only my British mother could eat it, and I had to halve the chili pepper in it the next time I made it. Even so…🥵
The name comes from the Portuguese dish it was based on: ”(carne de) vinha d'alhos”
Vindaloo in the UK has potatoes in it because Hindi speakers here figured that "aloo" meant potatoes and not garlic. It was further modified to exclude pork and sometimes to take revenge upon abusive customers. I invite racist Americans to eat a British vindaloo and post the video.
I can't remember ever seeing potatos in vindaloo myself, though I'm in the Netherlands.
I've never seen potatoes in a Vindaloo and I've eaten them all over the UK.
Maybe they've stopped doing that. I haven't eaten one since my rugby playing days in the 90s.
Don't want to doubt you, just saying it's not the case in my reasonably broad experience.
I mean India’s a fucking big country with a huge diversity of regional cuisines.
Indeed, I've worked in teams where the only language shared was English so unsurprisingly food differs too.
But it's also a very specific thing where white men want to prove their manliness by suffering through chemical warfare levels of spice, whereas people who eat the food everyday just want to have a nice time.
Hence the "Going for an English" sketch.
I’m just here to enjoy the ratio
And the dude is American on top of everything? 😹 This was a great thread. He should do Mexican food next. Those taco shells. 😬
I'm here because of your post. Had to catch up after being at work.
And yet you beg on your knees to repeat this interaction thousandfold
Personally if hundreds of brits were telling me they understand country more than you, and not a single one had backed me up, I might start to consider that I was wrong.
> "Chicken tikka masala originated in Glasgow, Scotland, in the 1970s when Ali Ahmed Aslam of the Shish Mahal Restaurant improvised the dish by adding a creamy, spiced tomato sauce to dry chicken tikka to suit a customer's complaint."
Correct. Chicken tikka masala is "Anglo-Indian" cuisine from Scotland.
Technically Celtic-Indian, but yeah. (not the football team, the culture)
You stupid fucking wanker
Nailed it.
He might benefit from your egg recipe.
What an utter plank you are. Just apologise and try to leave with some dignity intact.
Fully American, you got given the correct information and decided that it was not correct based on your own feelings, then decided to post your feelings to the internet as if they were fact
Whereas Americans thinking they get to dictate their own understanding of food and race to other countries because of their own arrogance and ignorance happens so regularly it's practically cliche
@thelouvreof.bsky.social
'Historians of ethnic food Peter and Colleen Grove discuss multiple claims regarding the origin of chicken tikka masala, concluding that the dish "was most certainly invented in Britain, probably by a Bangladeshi chef." ' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken...
Is it that you genuinely think tikka masala was invented in India or do you consider the people who invented it in Scotland Indian and not really British?
Go back to Twitter cunt.
Chicken Tikka Masala originated in Glasgow. In India. Chicken Tikka Masala doesn’t even exist in India.
And as for his Chicken Ticket Masala... 😁
Oh no. Let him have this one tiny pleasure. He's still recovering from the shock of Trump still being alive.
I genuinely do not get why American Progressives are still so keen on blood and race nationalism when it comes to Europe. It’s like progressive Irish Americans calling non-white Irish people not “really” Irish. Why do they stick with this rhetoric?
Lol, " blood and raised nationalism" God damn dog
7 hours zero likes. Even the other dumbasses don’t want to defend you.
If you don’t like the assertion, why peddle the rhetoric? You really don’t understand quite how offensive what you’re saying actually is. You’re in agreement with the far right here and you don’t seem even remotely curious as to why you’ve chosen to be so.
Because being American isn't an ethnicity but being Irish, English, German, French, Italian, Swiss, Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian, Portuguese, Spanish, Indian, Algerian, Polish, Hungarian, etc, are. This is a big issue with German citizens who aren't German, etc, etc. Seems logical.
They are ethnicities *in America*. In all of those countries / nation states ethnicity is not the sole determinant of identity, because they are states not ethnic groups: all have non-white citizens going back several to many generations. Which isn’t to say they don’t have racists as well, obvs.
I think this highlights the fact that ethnicity is a social construct and that Americans have a strong construction of it. But one that falls apart when actually applied elsewhere. Swiss as a single ethnic identity is just utterly absurd to apply to Switzerland.
Yes, exactly - I didn’t even get to the existence of multiple ‘ethnicities’ even within whiteness, which could apply to the UK and other European states as well as to Switzerland…
I agree and it’s where the inherent racism in this shows itself. A white kid with Swiss parents who was born/grew up in Germany & has German citizenship would never be included in what he says is the issue of “non-Germans” who are German citizens.
It’s racists who have an issue with people they do not perceive as being German actually being German. Because none of those you list are an ethnicity. Swiss are a single ethnicity? Spain? India? You really believe this?
Our last Prime Minister was a British Asian, FFS!
I don't get why anyone insists racism or bigotry has a political axis at all since any preferred econ policy can be used to oppress. Regardless of country or party. As a melting pot American who gets mistaken for I-A I can also assure you there are very few progressive I-As btw. It's mostly rw.
I’m saying there would be no bigotry on the left. Just surprised about the form this take. Some American progressives who would never accept that an American with a Pakistani immigrant background isn’t an America seem to find it impossible to understand the same concept when it comes to Europe.
They need to believe that America is the only ‘nation of immigrants’ and that Western Europe is more racist / less liberal than the US, or they won’t be able to maintain the chauvinistic ‘USA #1’ belief that they insist on clinging to
It's not progressives. That's what I mean. Of course a political progressive from an exceptionalist country can believe that. Anyone from an exceptionalist country can if they've never contemplated life outside their country/ region.
Yeah - that’s my point though. US Political progressives believing that about countries outside the US. Because it’s not a view those progressives would accept applies to the US. I’m surprised they don’t see the hypocrisy.
Plenty of conservatives would also be angry if you thought that about US immigrants. Conservative ≠ maga republican. Again, your preferred econ policy has nothing to do with your understanding of racism and cultural privilege.
Again you don’t seem to arguing against what i’m saying.
I guess I've had enough experience to not be shocked by it. It's an irrelevant point to me.
Insisting it's not a political issue is normalisation. Identity monoliths are part of the problem.
I did not say it wasn't political. I said the axis are different. Right wing/ left wing is not synonymous with racist/ not racist. Issues like this are political because they're perpetuated by systems. That is not the same as party or economic policy preference.
read a non fiction book by a white American. Spends the whole book worrying about cultural appropriation, is appropriating European culture for the whole book.
they might call themselves progressive but they're still a yank and that can do a number on the brain
It seems to me that americans will say and believe anything - ANYTHING - to avoid talking about economic class. Even the most progressive americans are too infatuated with protecting capitalism to do so in any meaningful way
Yeah man. For whatever reason, they can only get race and identity to work in fomenting revolution in America. Class has really been a non-starter since the 20s and 30s. That dog don't hunt. Too much focus on the poor. Working class in the USA is more MAGA than ever before. Why? Do you know?
John Steinbeck's phrase about poor Americans thinking they are "temporarily embarassed millionaires" still hits hard.
"Americans will say and believe anything to avoid talking about economic class" MEANWHILE: www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025...
I think it is prevelant in most lines of american thought because, as a nation, they are taught all other nations as hegemonic. Where the u.s is seen as the only none hegemonic nation. It isn't just all brits are white. But all chinese people are han etc.
I mean in 2025 that seems slight ridiculous. Although I think what's more striking is the exceptionalism in the original poster that he still thinks he's right.
It is ridiculous but we see it all the time. The op is a fantastic example. Even being proven that tikka masala is a british dish, they refuse to agree because it goes against what they were taught as ethnicity being a blood and soil thing.
Ahh, a disciple of Mr “Everything is Indian”. m.youtube.com/watch?v=8tw7...
I dare you to go to Italy and ask for a plate of Spag Bol.
I've actually eaten Spag Bol in Venice and pizza and ice cream ( not from the same bowl obvs)
bone apple teeth
Fine then, if you don't think brown people can be British, then you, a white man aren't American, fair?
It kind of is British though tbf. Developed by British-South Asians during post-colonial immigration to the UK. It's effectively a British-Bangladeshi hybrid cuisine dish.
Indeed and few of the curries eaten in UK are eaten in South Asia. Some are Raj creations, some were ceeated by Indians in the UK (eg balti). They are adapted for the British palette
Wow you are really thick. And a racist.
British Asians exist, you colossal wally. Our last Prime Minister was one.
Chicken Tikka Masala is British cuisine: it was devised in Britain, by people who were British.
"British-Indian food" has basically developed as an entire distinct branch of cuisine, derived from, but very different to, "Indian food" (which is itself quite a complicated subject with lots of different types!)
Exactly.
If you want to do a full circuit, you can do a British-Indian curry then Indo-Chinese noodles then Hongkong-British tea&sandwiches!
Aarrgghh... it's not even lunchtime and I'm hungry now.
There used to be an Indian restaurant near me who did traditional Indian, specifically said it wasn't British-Indian. Their Google reviews were full of people complaining they couldn't get tikka masala etc! Their food was amazing & I miss them now they're retired 😭
Much like “Chinese food” has in America. Takes a largely regional cuisine with a few variants, adds sugar, holds back the spice, it becomes popular. Then after a while you get the “authentic stuff” and regional variations as a follow up. See also Italian… etc etc.
This guy doesn't care where the Crunch Wrap Supreme was invented, he has read the Wikipedia page of the Gadsden Purchase and that's the end of that.
Yes. It's quite amusing to be quoted the origin stories by big brained Americans which all amount to "British-Asians adapted the food in Britain where they lived and identified as British in order to make it more British" and claim it's somehow not British.
There was the WaPo columnist who a few years ago wrote off all Indian food as based on just one spice - curry powder. www.independent.co.uk/independentp...
That was me as a kid. Or well, I thought I hated curry because I hated the yellow curry powder sold in Sweden. Still can't stand that powder, but never found a real curry I didn't like (even if it sometimes makes me cry)
That’s true for the Masala is it also true for the chicken tikka?
No, cooking chicken like that is Indian I think.
"Chicken tikka masala" is a different dish from "chicken tikka" which is why it has its own name.
Yes, but it has two components, only one of which is British. I don't think you can claim it as a British dish. The innovation of the sauce, for sure. It's ok, we can share it.
It's an interesting one. You could say there's nothing more British than fish and chips- but that was brought over by Jewish communities escaping persecution in Portugal and Spain in the 17th (I think) Century. Suppose it shows just how complicated this is.
That is not how food works.
Clearly you’re the expert
Well let’s break this down further. Who created the chicken eh? And which came first, the chicken or the egg Just playing 🐣
Since the domestic chicken is descended from Indian jungle fowl, *all* chicken dishes are clearly Indian fusion cuisine and/or anyone who isn't Indian is doing cultural appropriation if they eat chicken, I lost track of which stupid idea we were going for today.
Thank you! I love it when blue sky is educational.
Yes, but what about chicken ticket masala?
You've all wrong it's Scottish
Glasgow is in Britain btw www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scot...
"North Britain," which is actually Scotland
Scotland which is part of Britain, hence being British. You can be both Scottish and British...
I don't know, lad, it's Glasgow. Are you sure that isn't actually part of Kentucky?
Just coz the 'weegies like things deep-fried doesn't automatically equate that they're kentucky-frying things too
Ha ha ha ha!
For now.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken...
Those silly brits! Don't they know they have to be white to be British!
this mf said ticket masala
Sorry, you were saying that British people living in Britain inventing a dish in a British city aren't British. Well hello, Steven Miller. Not sure the beard suits you.
Late to the party here and can’t match the wit and clarity of folks who have already commented on this, but this Brit is amazed at how many Brits are on this app! I seem mostly to have found, and been found by, Americans (nice ones, even).
Dude you gotta take the “L” on this one. And frankly maybe reconsider some of the extremely closed minded (cloaked as “progressive”) ideologies that cause this kind of thinking.
Oh babes you've had a shocker here
Every time an American tells me a californian role is American cuisine is laugh, because I am a massive racist
...it is? Quite famously so, in fact
In what way is someone who knows what they’re talking about telling you a verifiable fact ‘strange’, go on I’m listening
It was invented in the UK (suggested locations vary), by a British person of either Pakistan or Bangladesh heritage. By saying that it isn't British food you are saying that people who immigrated to the UK can never be British, and that's racist. Hope that helps. L
most intelligent yank
So you gonna keep doubling down or shut up and learn a thing?
Sorry Bill but I think someone was pulling your plonker, I can guarantee you that chicken ticket masala is unheard of in British food culture
You still don't know what chicken tikka masala is, do you?
This is masterful trolling
You’re wrong and ought to admit it
Ticket masala.
Everything's strange when you're an idiot
The early drafts of Jim Morrison lyrics are the best versions.
🎵 Faces are ugly, when you're a dolt 🎶
🎵 Women seem wicked, when you're misogynist 🎶
🎶 People seem woke, if you think it’s an insult 🎵
I think I need this tattooed on me.
I hope one day you come to realise how massively racist you are being.
TICKET?
Dickhead
It’s as British as apple pie.
You know so much about the topic that you can't even spell it correctly.
Your racism is really high up there. Chicken tikka masala is British.
VERY British.
Glad to have your confirmation. I thought that was true.
Oh CHRIST not this racist fucking garbage again.
You need to be aware of the different cultures between UK and US because you're using what is white nationalist talk here. In the US, it's very pro immigration to go around reminding people of their heritage as (excluding native americans) even the white nationalist all come from immigrants.
While in the UK, because white people can trace heritage to the land so much further back than others, its to the white nationalist benefit to remind people that they come from immigrants and aren't "really" British. If chicken tikka massala can't be considered British despite being created and
Popularised here because it has roots in India, what does that say about the people who immigrate here?
The most hilarious part of your post is the assumption that, as an American, you know anything at all about British cuisine. One of my favourite things about British food is that it is global. I frequently eat Chinese, Indian, Greek, Thai, Iranian and English food - and that isn't unusual.
Do you think New York pizza isn't American cuisine because it's created by Italian immigrants? Or is their skin light enough for your racism to not kick in?
By your own logic, there is no American cuisine at all.
It is though
Oops you've done a racism
the British person in this instance was me and despite people patiently explaining to him how racist this is, he is simply doubling down
It is definitely not racist against British people. Don't be stupid.
The only reason you think this isn't all wildly racist is that you haven't managed to get the concept of brown and black Brits through your skull yet. Once you've stopped insisting that only whites are British, you might have a "😬😳" realisation, possibly around 3AM.
Next you'll be telling us that pit-style BBQ grills aren't American.
It’s racist against British people of Indian and Pakistani origin ya big dummy. They’re British too
It's racist to assume because someone is of Indian descent that they're not British. I'd say don't be stupid, but I fear I'm late.
Bruh chicken manchuria,chilli chicken etc are indo Chinese cuisine just like there are many indian and chinese dishes in the west that are made and catered to the western folks . No one is drinking chai latte in India
So you think only white people can be British. Okay racist.
Of course he is
Unfortunately the two hills I most frequently charge up to die on are a) British food is good and (relatedly) b) the definition British food includes the food of every migrant group who has settled in Britain
Oh my god he called the UK "an isolated whites-only culture" so the wrongness is profound
there is certainly… a lot going on
Snort
I mean I’m posting from our capital city where our Muslim mayor is quite possibly going to go for a fourth term, whilst the NYT is writing deranged pieces about Mamdani making a joke about gambling being haram
Sorry- breaking in to a conversation, I know, but the thought just occurred. In Scotland, we deep-fry pizza. I'm not proud of it; I'm not proud of the fact I like it; but we do. I wonder how he'd cope with that information?
OK, I've tried NYC style, Chicago style, now Edinburgh (?) style is sounding horrible but inexplicably tempting.
It kinda looks amazing ... www.tiktok.com/@thisisplane...
It’s more of a west coast thing, I’d argue. It’s called pizza crunch in glasgow
Don’t. Save yourself. It’s too late for me. For pity’s sake save yourself…
You should try Swedish style: Kebab pizza! The best Swedish dish there is
That’s Italian food! You cannot appropriate Italian food, bung it in the deep fry, and call it British food. It’s just not cricket.
Aaaah, that explains everything. Scottish, so don’t really get cricket.
ok, sometimes i think the UK is totally shot, but tbh y'all are def better than us on some fronts. plus nobosy wins on "who's worse, the NYT or the Mail."
The fact that it's also turned into a fight about whether it's from England or Scotland, is so painfully UK it's embarrassing 😂
If the ticket is for an Argos pickup, it's British
Dude, a take so bad we gotta start defending Brits and British food? Come on, that's fucking grim.
Explain why a dish, that we concieved in Britian, is not British then? I'm not even British and even I'm not convinced...
Sometimes thoughts are meant to be on the inside! Just a tip, we don’t have to write out EVERYTHING we think 🥴
Confident and incorrect is always a classic
Tell me you don't understand British History OR Colonialism/Imperialism - by directly telling me....
Not you talking out of your arse again?
Your head is entirely up your ass.
This is going very well for you
😆
I've just come here to point at you and laugh. Know-nothing Septic.
Oh dear. Another American pining about British things they really, really don't understand.
Yup, invented in Scotland 50 years ago and practically the British national dish now. Ya dingus.
Not a great fan of pile-ons, but this one was merited. Christ on a bike Bill.
So you're just a worthless fucking racist huh? What other ethnicities do you consider "not British", we're all fucking ears.
The pizza is an Italian dish stolen by Americans. Don’t try and claim that pizza is a part of American cuisine!!
And pasta is a Chinese dish stolen by Italians. By extention it should work like that but it never does
Wait till he gets confused by Indian Chinese food, ie the food eaten in India that is called Chinese. It's its own cuisine, available in some Indian restaurants in the UK, eg Chili paneer (my fave)
Gotta say indo chinese is goated fusion cuisine
And indian in east asia,southeast asia,african and caribbean dishes or turkic,Persian and arab dishes in Indian cuisine . Some things have its origins elsewhere but become their own thing afterwards
Ohhhh now I really want some gobi Manchurian
If you wrote "the British Indian community will never be really British no matter how long they live there" would you still feel good about yourself? Because that's what you just did.
Update: this asshole is now straight-up doing blood and soil nationalism, so I guess I got an answer to my question.
It is, though. It was invented in Glasgow. www.bbc.com/news/uk-scot...
It literally is though
@theednawatkins.bsky.social I regret to inform you the Yanks are being loud and wrong again about food.
Yay! It's like a special treat isnt it
It's a tuesday again, isn't it...
I had a bizarre dream a few nights ago in which I was at a party in a hoarder house wearing a fancy outfit of pale pink silk chiffon, and got absolutely *covered* in chicken tikka masala. The fact that I've never even had chicken tikka masala made it all the stranger.
this is quite embarrassing for you isn’t it, maybe you should buy my book to find out why
Does it have recipes?
That was just beautiful
Telling an academic that specialises in British culture & history that they're wrong about British culture & history takes so much gall it's unreal.
This dude is a punk Moron. As an American with a Brit mum and Sister- I apologise for his essential douchiness
Certainly no need, I think it's more an ego centric matter than a national identity one
Thinking of the man who wanted to know where in Yorkshire the tea was grown for Yorkshire Tea. Outraged when he discovered it was imported and accused YT of misleading customers. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/yorkshi...
And there are dishes that are catered to specific populations across the world . Curry in Japan and korea.roti,curry and paratha in southeast asia .chapati,roti and curry in African and caribbean cuisines . Indian cuisines shaped billions but created their own form in these regions
Just like indo chinese is its own thing . No one drinks chai latte in India that is an american thing and British indian dishes are British
this is because ur a white supremacist & nationalist
Of all the tedious interactions I've ever had on social media, an American person telling everyone they know better than Brits what's British is... oh FFS
I’ve got bad news for you about fish and chips, sunshine…
Yet another American Idiot, doing the classics. Racism mixed with ignorance mixed with cock-sure binary stupidity. Well done bill you fucking moronic racist chump. Tikka Masala is British and this level of stupid is quintessentially American.
Just made tikka masala popcorn to sit and enjoy watching you repeat yourself being a dick about this.
Whilst sources confirm that the Brits are, indeed, at it again, moments like this show that the Americans are at it worse. Delete your account, Bill
I would like to thank Bill for uniting the UK, the response has been rude but wholesome in spirit. A rare and joyous occasion that no politician has managed in a long time, worthy of celebration. Pony indeed.
Actual Blitz spirit in these replies lol
A heartwarming blend of swearing and anti-racist patriotism, wonderful stuff!
But it is British? It was invented by South Asian in the UK. But I guess only white people can be British to you?
Why’s that strange?
Because it's definitely not British food.
It was invented by South Asians in the UK. You can be both South Asian and British at the same time.
It was invented by British people in Britain. That seems to me to satisfy the required criteria. Is fried chicken and collard greens an American dish?
These foreigners, not coming over here, telling us where our(British)food comes from...he has no understanding of the United Kingdom's multi-cultural society at all. He probably thinks Fish and Chips is British!
oh mate
Of all the strange interactions I’ve ever had on social media An American person telling me that General Tso’s Chicken is Chinese cuisine is really really high up…
I mean, maybe you should listen to them?
bill can you smell gas
shut da fuk up
Americans really will start doing full Stephen Miller Blood-and-soil nationalism just so they can go 'British food bad lol'
By his logic,Pasta came from China so italian food mid as well .paratha ,chapati, roti,curry are indian so southeast Asian,eats asian curry,east african,southern african and caribbean cuisines are not from them as well. Indian and chinese cuisines morphed into various other cuisines across the world
It is. As much as the fish and chips invented by a Jewish restaurant owner.
It'd be like saying the Blues isn't American music because black people created it. They're Americans in America.
Idiot.
Genuinely baffles me that Americans are able to dress themselves tbh
@thelouvreof.bsky.social
Very British, very delicious, but I’ll have mine with fish. Cheers 😎
It is British. It was invented by British people. How is it not British?
Hahahaha! 😂😂😂😂😂
It’s not just that. As you’d expect with 400 years of interaction, a whole community Anglo-Indians who literally fused culture & cuisine in India then the migration in million to UK there are in fact many UK-India fused foods in Britain.
It’s basically analogous to the Chicago deep dish.
Exactly this. Or new York bagel & lox / pastrami on rye. Or quite a lot of of tex-mex.
Even the way British people eat South Asian food - generally rice and a main - has been Anglicised. At home (my partner is Asian) we eat lots of dishes at one go. Recent lunch to serve as an example.
That's really interesting. When our lab was heavily S Asian (students from Pakistan and India) we went to the local curry house and they explained which types of curry are better with naan Vs rice (and which is better for chicken Vs lamb Vs etc). (I've sadly forgotten their advice.)
Another S Indian student doing his PhD in Manchester visiting our lab in Reading commented how the dhosa etc was way better / more authentic than anything he found in Manchester.
The UK's biggest Tamil communities are in south and west London, so it's almost inevitable that there are going to be better dosas down here. (Sorry Mancunians.)
I love the parallels between the "where in the UK does decent dhosas" and yesterday's "how is bagel pronounced" conversation. bsky.app/profile/adsq...
All a decent dosa needs is a hotplate, the right spices and a skilled chef, the world is ripe for dosa takeover...
Was very disturbing when it went from beigel to bagel!
Ok I've now made up a theory for that: bsky.app/profile/adsq...
As a gentile I feel I ought to stay out of this one…
I'm now walking down the road singing "but how strange the change from bagel to beigel" to myself.
Lol
Makes sense. Reading's Chennai Dhosa (as was) seemed to be a W London chain.
Also I just finished my PhD at Reading uni in January - so I guess a too-late hello is in order (great university)
Hello and congrats doc! I left in 2017 so didn't overlap
Enjoying this discussion. My favourite curry in Reading has to be Madras Flavours. It’s so damn good
I live with rice eaters so there is really no contest in our house. It's all rice, all the time!
Even that depends on the region in India
Cool, which regions do you mean?
It is very very hard to cook more than 2 dishes unless you are attending a function or a party
Chicken tikka masala was created in the 1970's by Ali Ahmed Aslam, a chef at the Shish Mahal restaurant in Glasgow.
It's always better to stay quiet and let people assume you are an idiot than opening your mouth and proving it.
Any excuse to post one of my favourite Simpsons jokes... :-) www.youtube.com/watch?v=URWL...
Clueless Yank twat.
Amazing, it's a party with all my friends 🥳
Clueless 'murican doesn't understand the make up of the UK's society & the resultant cuisine.
Today is going really well for you, eh? That impregnable white american male confidence taking a solid spit-lubed pounding?
It’s an integral part of UK food heritage.
oh mate. you are gonna get your ass kicked for this.
Can I ask a question? Every time a supposed progressive American has this take, amid the pile-on are, of course, lots of British Asian people also telling you you’re being incredibly racist as well as ignorant. But none of you listen to them. Is that *even* to them, or *especially* to them?
As an American, I’m going to say they don’t listen to anyone. it’s a plague of white men who won’t keep their inside thoughts inside. It’s okay to be wrong! We learn from it! Is it uncomfortable to realize you’re wrong? Sure. I guess being wrong online might kill bald eagles? Idk I hate this place
(America. This thread of British people dunking on this dude is lovely)
Agree and same
But it is though
how much aerosolised cheese did you squirt up your nose before writing this
When I know nothing about a subject, I don't post about it - that way I (mostly) avoid looking daft online.
like, I would have at least done a quick search to check myself before making some proclamations it's been really useful in the past at preventing me from making statements that are 100% wrong Oh, and it's "tikka"
It’s TIKKA masala and it was created in Britain.
That is correct. Just as General Tso's chicken is Chinese American, not Chinese.
It was invented in the UK. Most of the Indian cuisine you eat is Anglo Indian cuisine that was invented in Britain. It’s quite different to actual Indian food (both are nice). Seriously just google it and retract
Saying Indian cuisine is like saying European ,west asian and south american cuisines combined . That is how insanely big and diverse that country is
But it is.
I’m just here for that ratio.
The truth is strange I guess.
Is a Katsu curry Japanese cuisine?
It's OK to admit you got this one wrong. It's not really clear why you're insisting British Asian people aren't British. A position that aligns you with a load of extremely racist protests going on here right now.
The fact you managed to be so wrong & also to spell it chicken ticket masala... your ignorance is so deep it's almost impressive.
Name an American dish
Pemmican?
Frybread 😋
Maybe you don’t get out enough.
This is a fantastic ratio and I just wanted to be part of it.
It’s because it exposes that you’re a racist
It's actually kind of cute. They likely grew up with it and think it is.
Thanks racist.
It's actually weird how you assume British people cannot be brown but ok.
Thing is, anyone who knows anything about food will recognise that chicken tikka masala is a British culinary 'invention'. Just because the people who came up with it, in Britain, happened to be brown doesn't mean that they're not British.
FYI: Doing a smug racism isn't the win you think it is
Racist defending white colonialism and occupation.
Oh dear, girl. Would you like to try again? Perhaps this time with a little less "people whose families come from other countries can never REALLY be from *this* country" out-and-out Nazism
Crikey. The deep SNP types would probably go with the occupation part, but I think they’d even struggle claiming white colonialism. /s/
I’m thinking I’m gonna have to explain that to you. Chicken Tikka Masala was invented in Scotland. I think you are trying to claim we are being racist by claiming it is British because we occupied India and claim all Indian food invented in India as ours. That is not the case.
Get out of Northern Ireland white racist occupier and em defender of British White Supremacy.
Oh dear. Are you feeling okay?
Most British people aren't thick racists?
Boy I wish that were true. X
The key word is 'most'.
England is a Racist Occupier with a Royal Family. Now you're defending that? OMG you can't make this shit up.
You are literally living on stolen land and your leader is a fascist child rapist. Do you really not see the irony of your statement? You're the racist who thinks brown people can't be British.
Get out of Northern. Ireland defender of British Occupation and Colonialism. White supremacist.
First of all, I'm not white. Secondly, ignoring the fact that you don't understand the situation in Northern Ireland in the slightest, and you yourself are living in occupied land, how is that relevant? No amount of racist whining will change the fact that people of all colours can be British.
I'm from Northern Ireland you dim knt. You racist occupier. Why do you support occupation and racism?
Northern Ireland? Really? That would explain the American spellings and the focus on American politics. Fucking liar.
Twat's from fucking Maryland. "But my great-great-grandfather's cousin's niece was from County Down!!"
OMG! What a naive knt! Scam this dim knt. He deserves it.
Dim British Occupying racist thinks everyone is like him, an inflexible racist.
Seems you need a firmware update, or maybe the cold weather in Saint Petersburg is frying your circuits.
Me put you on mute now, m'kay Yank? Good luck with yor brane promble!
The other Israeli wannabe. Check out the BREXIT bois faking not to be racists. The dirty fking scum still occupying Northern Ireland and faking not to be racists.
This is a thread about chicken tikka masala, mate. Are you actually going to address the fact that you don't think brown people can be British, or are you going to keep typing increasingly deranged sentences about irrelevant topics containing baseless and nonsensical accusations?
I thought it was thread about chicken ticket masala...
Britain is a multicultural society. The people who devised Chicken Tikka Masala had as much right to call themselves British as I do.
Because of occupation and colonialism. Yeah so amazing. Check them all out, now defending the racist occupier.
So- again, just to get this clear- you're saying that some British people aren't actually British?
No one said that. Why are you defending White colonialism and occupation? Get out of Northern Ireland occupier..
Erm... I'm not sure I was defending white colonialism. Thought I was simply saying that Britain's a complex, multicultural (and actually largely peaceful) society. & (speaking as a Scot), the internal politics of the four countries that comprise the UK are a bit more complicated than you think.
No matter how many times you say it, the Pakistanis who came to Glasgow in the 1970's were neither racists nor occupiers. They did invent some tasty dishes and they did it as voluntary British citizens.
Speaking of racist occupiers....... You appear to be living in the US! Do you see your hypocrisy...... 🤔
Britain is a racist occupier. Gotta love all the Brown people out defending it now. LMAO
Brown people? Wow. Are you suggesting only white people can be British? I am quite amazed that you have the temerity to call other people racist.
Another proud British racist, proud of his racist history of slave trading, occupation and colonialism. Man they have no self awareness..
If anyone has no self awareness here, it is you. You really read to read back your posts, which reek of blood and soil racism.
I'm honestly trying not to laugh here; but I'm sorry- that comment about self awareness... I'm a Scot, and I'm British. I've lived here all my life. It's maybe just possible that I'm rather more aware of the ways British society operates than you are?
Just wondering- do you mean British people?
Defender of White Colonialism and Occupation. The true Racists.
So- again, just to get it straight: the Brown people (your term) who live and work in the UK, and who have as much right as anyone to call themselves British, and who are very happy to describe themselves as British, are all of them defenders of colonialism? Are you sure?
Get out of Northern Ireland white occupier. Check out the Brits defending the proud racism and colonialism. The original slave traders..😂😂
You do know that there are lots of different ethnicities and communities in Britain?
No by choice. Forced there by slavery, occupation and colonialism. Why do you support all three?
Erm… that’s not really how slavery, colonialism and occupation worked in the British Empire. Britain viciously subjugated people around the globe- but it wanted the oppressed to stay where they were, not to come to the UK. Anyway: when was Northern Ireland invaded?
You Yank twats really can't comprehend the possibilty of voluntary non-white migration, can you? If only you realised what your apartheid bullshit looks like to the free world.
Are the Irish not white? That’s a niche racism you got there.
Racist who thinks all Irish are White only. Why do you deny the existence of Irish people of color? What an ignorant racist.
Well... you do seem to be denying the existence of British people of colour. Anyway: asking again, because I'm genuinely interested in your answer. When was Northern Ireland invaded?
So all British are white but all Irish aren’t?
Get out of Northern Ireland white occupier and colonialist. Check out the occupier defending his proud history of white supremacy all over the world.
Polls show around half of the people in Northern Ireland are content with the existing constitutional set up, with only around 27% wanting to see reunification. So, I guess we can add antidemocratic, as well as racist to your descriptors.
Polls show nothing of the sort, white racist occupier. Why do you support colonialism and occupation, mini Israel? You wish you could do to Ireland what Israel is doing to Palestine you dirty occupying sum. England wants to be Israel so desperately.
The polls do, but I suppose I should be impressed by your commitment to ignorance in the face of easily obtainable facts. Your knowledge of the UK (England is just one part) seems to be based on internet memes and misunderstandings. Irish reunification | IfG share.google/iP3BICDHysYB...
Just out of interest- could you tell me when Northern Ireland was invaded?
I've had conversations like this with folks from the States before. One person tried to tell me that, as a Scot, I was a colonised person. I pointed out that it's a bit more complicated than that. I don't think they took the point.
He's so dumb and racist he assumes. Get out of Northern Ireland occupier.
Who invaded Northern Ireland, and when?
i bet you consider tacos and pizza american
It's certainly cuter than your racism.
You are the racist defending a white occupier. Look at them all butt hurt for the racist occupier.
We're talking about a curry created by British people in Britain that you, in your own racist exceptionalism has deemed cannot be British presumably because you don't accept South Asian people can be British. Look in the fucking mirror.
You don't do comprehension you dim knt. You want to be offended, you racist occupying colonialist, sit to fk down.
The only racist on this thread is you, denying the agency of British people of South Asian origin to describe themselves as such. That you're getting so incredibly angry to be shown to the world as the racist that you are, speaks volumes. Love the inarticulacy in particular.
So, so fragile.
Who? The insecure POC who now claim they are part of White British Power? LOL.
Are you feeling OK?
They are not naturally British you tool. They are conquered, and captured people who took a knee to their colonizer and now think they are part of White power. LMAO .
Firstly, do try to master punctuation. I guess the phlegm on your keyboard is a problem, perhaps it's getting a bit sticky. Secondly, only a colossally stupid racist would not know that there have been people of colour in Britain since Roman times. That's you, I suppose.
Asian people came to Britain over decades and have filled most of the high offices of state including Prime Minister. You absolute half-wit.
It was created in a British city by a British chef. Unless you don't think brown people can be British...
And you are actually kind of patronising, dumb and likely racist. We know the history of our people and our food.
It's as British as calling the pair of you twats.
Get out of Northern Ireland while colonial occupier and murderer.
Typical fucking Yank white settler, accusing others of colonialism while squatting on stolen land. "Of course I could give my house back to the local indigenous tribe but WHOOPS we've killed them all." Fucking hypocrite.
They've got me bang to rights, here - I've got blood and curry sauce on my hands.
I can't wait until Muslims take over England.
You're a strange one, aren't you?
Not as strange as British Nazis calling others racist.
Dim occupying British racists assumes everyone is American.
It’s always two dumb racist assholes telling each other “exactlyyyy”
You are the one defending while a white colonial racist and occupier. The original slave trader, England. Check them all out butthurt for that.
Have you never heard of the saying that those in glass houses should not throw stones?
Fk off Occupier.
Are you of Native American descent? If not, then I refer you to my previous comment.
I mean… you can keep trying, but it’s clear this poor person is a lost cause. Brain fully broken by the internet, shrieking and foaming about colonialism because they were wrong about a chicken dish.
I’ve muted the poor dear, but that last reply from them is proving my point beautifully.
Says the fking loser who can't just keep scrolling when he sees a comment he can't comprehend. Fk off you dim racist loser who can't read. Go serve Wills and Kate. Kiss their asses then complain about racism you fking tool.
You don't get to ask me anything as you defend British occupation and colonialism.
Tripling down,mwhen it’s just so much easier to say “oops my bad” and dirty delete? We’re looking at social media brainrot, folks. Let the poor dear be a lesson in how not to live.
That you can't comprehend a statement or think outside the box that is your small narrow mind is your issue. I won't apologize for that. GTFOUH.
baby, this is word salad. you’re having a fully unhinged meltdown over being wrong about chicken tikka masala. a person with a functioning brain would be embarrassed to behave like this.
Ma’am we’re talking about British-Indian food, I can see you’re trying your hardest to deflect from your embarrassing idiocy but it’s not working well for you
It was invented in Britain.
Aww, your racism is kinda cute. You do know brown people can be British, don't you?
This from someone defending the racist colonialist. Yeah ok. Imagine paying for the Royal family to look down their nose on you. Racist.
Someone who thinks that brown people can't be British is a racist. Happy to help.
No one said that you dim knt. This is the British education system on display. Get out of Northern Ireland you dirty racist occupying scum.
No one said that, you claim. But the evidence is clear. And as for occupying Northern Ireland, I can't be "dirty racist scum" occupying both London and the whole of Northern Ireland at the same time. bsky.app/profile/snig...
FO Racist colonial occupier who supports and is defending, slavery, colonialism and occupation. Go serve Wills and Kate, pay for them to frolic around the world while you pay for it. Stand down you dim racist knt who doesn't do basic comprehension.
Lol, you're calling me a racist? Hilarious. You literally posted about the Great Replacement and used a racist slur for Irish people.
Have you tried not being unbelievably racist?
No, it seems she likes to double down and get even weirder and dumber with it. A true American, unfortunately.
“They likely grew up with it” yes because it is a documented creation in Britain. Key part in British-Indian cuisine. Over 200 years of Indian restaurants in the UK. Why are Americans so weird about the long history non-white Europeans? Your main Trump critique is that he is fat? Terrible vibes.
Same guy who opened the first Indian restaurant also popularised shampoo to Britain, and made good cash realising warming sea water was a good idea for bathing, man was BUSY.
It was invented in Glasgow, by a Glaswegian. Why are you so racist to assume that brown people can’t be British?
Maybe he thinks Scottish people can't be British, I mean, most yanks use England and Britain entirely interchangeably.
It is, you weird racist prick.
Why do American liberals all have the same theory on race as Victorians
Oooh, American condescension on top of ignorance of food history sprinkled with racism! You’ve outdone the original poster!
🚨YANK🚨
No, it actually is. Brown people can also be British (hi, I'm one of them). Reconsider what you are actually arguing here.
No. Another White man defending the racist occupier. LMAO. Now all of the sudden they are all ra ra. Occupier.
He literally said he is not white. Where exactly do you live? If you live in the US and white , you are also on land that not yours.
It is, unless you think only white people can be British?
How does it feel to suck so bad? Is it like a numbness or more of a dull ache?
All you have done here is reveal your ignorance twice over . First you didn’t understand, and second you compounded this by trying to get others to validate your lack of understanding when it is not valid.
I regret to inform you that Glasgow is in Britain.
Jesus, just saw that the prick was following me (not reciprocal). Thanks for the accidental heads up.
You are wrong, as well as being a cunt.
Imbecile
Open your mind to the possibility that the strangeness you experienced is a consequence of not knowing something that happens to be true.
It was invented in Glasgow but whatever
Are you aware that nationality and ethnicity are different things?
So who are you going to credit for the Bombay Burrito?
I'm really tempted to join in with all the people slagging you off, but instead I'm going to tell you to read this and think about it. www.the-reframe.com/your-ignoran...
What this does is demonstrate that you really don’t know what you’re talking about where our food, and our food history, is concerned. I’m not even slightly surprised that an American is this arrogant. And no, you’re not worth explaining it to. Maybe apologise to Stephen Bush first.