Hey remember that raw milk outbreak in FL? They traced it back to Keely Farms Dairy. Here's a pic! Cows lounging in a warm stagnant pond that's lush with weeds & algae, thanks to cow poop. Their raw milk has been making people sick since January for some reason apnews.com/article/raw-...
"I only drink raw milk from local family farms that I trust!" This IS a local family farm that people trusted. They had tours where you could go to the farm. Pet the cows. Look them in the eye. And their raw milk still made lots of people very sick.
Sorry I'm just stuck on how many people must have seen these cows lounging in a stagnant poop sauna when they visited the farm & thought "looks legit, 10/10 would drink"
But it’s so GREEN
The problem is most consumers don’t know what good bs bad conditions are. If it doesn’t smell terrible, then they won’t be concerned by things that would stand out to an expert.
That's the thing.......there's no way this smells Good
I don’t disagree, but a layman might consider it to be a normal farm smell if they don’t know better.
My uncle had a dairy farm and no--it does not smell good!
This is why "develop a relationship with a local dairy farmer" doesn't work. It requires everyone who wants to drink milk to become a dairy farm sanitation expert. Which is just not the world we live in, on several levels.
Sometimes you don’t know what you don’t know and not knowing could kill you or those you love.
People - especially children and babies - shouldn't have to risk dying because they aren't an expert in food safety, or don't have personal access to every link in the network that brings food to their town.
My mom was a USDA meat inspector, I know the value that having a safe and inspected food source brings for health and safety.
What the F is wrong with people? I learned about Louis Pasteur in 2nd grade. That was enough for me. Why do these people revel in their ignorance?
Because they love feeling like they are the special ones who found that secret one-weird-trick that is magical. Magical health, that allll those stuffy health experts overlooked by being stuffy and annoying.
poop sauna could be the next goop. MAHA!
RFK: "So I was taking a poop sauna when I saw this bear cub..."
That's RFK, Jr., you unnerstan'....
Now on tap at Steak n Shake
But it’s all natural, how could that be harmful??? 🤪
Yeah, so is molten lava.
and arsenic.
So's raw sewage, but I ain't going near it.
I remember working in the UK in mixed practice 30 years ago, having just arrived from Oz and being a bit horrified at an organic farm where the cows were up to their teats in mud. At least that milk was pasturised. This is just bacteria soup.
I think there's approximately zero overlap between the populations of "notices and understands the implications of cows standing in poop soup" and "drinks raw milk"
I've seen a lot of your subsequent comments and little threads after seeing this image, and I'm gagging. I just can't understand how the disconnect could be so big that all of these people who want raw milk straight up do not understand how cows work. This is 101.
In my experience, any cow pasture pond looks like this when it's warm and sunny out. Because cow dook runoff is that pervasive a problem anywhere they're pastured long-term. But if someone didn't understand what they were looking at, then they might just assume this is normal, I guess.
Yeah....... that's just what happens when you incubate poop water in the sun tis why we pasteurize etc
sister’s 60ish boss confessed to her that until recently (no idea what that means to him) he didn’t understand that eggs come from actual chickens. 🐔🤷♀️ He’s NYC born and raised, successful lawyer. Point being, even educated people have no idea what there food is, or how it’s produced.
To be exquisitely fair to these people, that's what almost all bodies of water without fast-flowing currents look like in Florida. But on the other hand, that's also why the Florida sports teams don't wear cheese wedges on their heads.
In a sane world, introducing raw milk into commerce would be a felony.
I think that’s a testament to the power of the dairy industry. They have convinced the public that milk is some kind of elixir of life. It’s just a burst of calories for the mammals infant until they can fend for themselves
People like that probably think cows milk is automatically pasteurized. 😆
Well, they spend time in a pasture, so of course!
As a kid, helping on my Grandpap’s small farm, I thought he was a bit obsessed w/ washing his few cows. Their water basin was always clean. We drank raw milk there. Never got sick. But I developed a bad allergy to cow’s milk, besides being lactose intolerant. I can only drink goat’s milk. 🤷🏼♀️
SLIME MILK Good for what ails ya (if what ails ya is an excess of health)
"I'm a cow, I should drink cow milk with nothing done to it!"
Can't wait to squeeze some of that right into my mouth
You see where those udders have been and think: "People really want to drink straight outta those things?!?!?"
.... I'm probably taking the wrong lesson from this, but it seems like if a thing is normally pasteurized, providing it to people unpasteurized for human consumption is not a good thing to do
(yes &) As a species, we spent centuries figuring out pasteurization and it would be cool if these raw milk weirdos could take a second to reflect on WHY it was such a priority
If I had a dollar for everyone that told me that. I used to get weekly bacteria counts and monthly bulk tank cultures for the milk coop I worked for (as an on-farm milk quality tech). Shocker: you can't tell a farm's milk quality just by "knowing your farmer".
I enjoy inviting the people who say shit like "I drank it on our farm as a kid, it was fine" to do the math to figure out how many bacteria there are after just 48 hours, if you start with 2 and assume a doubling every half hour.
What they don't consider- they had a unique microbiome that can tolerate raw milk. They probably hung around livestock on a regular basis; had cow manure on their boots; they probably lived in a farmhouse that wasn't sterile and bleached by a cleaning lady weekly.
Err, that's not really a significant factor relative to bacteria not having a chance to multiply and/or their mom actually boiled it & they just didn't really notice as a kid and/or are too ignorant as an adult to understand that's what pasteurizing is.
Or they drank it within 12 hours of milking the cow, and kept it in the fridge during that time. (Still iffy, particularly at the end of that interval, but the closer you get to the nipple the safer it is.)
Though with that sludge-filled "pond" I'm guessing the mean time to biohazard is about 2 seconds after the squirt.
Raw milk cranks never contend with the fact that in nature, milk goes directly from the teat of the mother into the mouth of the offspring. It’s not meant to have any shelf life at all—it’s pasteurization that makes that possible.
Oh yeah for certain; once the milk exits the nipple it's a race against death to get it into a freezer or boiling tank.
Well, yeah, that's because of the bacterial replication I was talking about.
RFK Jr. gonna see this and be like "Oh, look. A stagnant shit pond! Let me grab my swim trunks and make a reservation!"
I will happily give people tours of my cows and show them the amazing engineering marvel that is their anus nearly directly above their udder, with a tail that functions like a poop propeller.
I KNOW RIGHT HOW DO PEOPLE MISS IT
Every hour on the hour, practically! When I was a kid my aunt and uncle had two Jerseys. I learned a lot about home dairying including how to pasteurize milk, and also how much poop cows produce in one day. [For those of you who have not spent time around cows, it is A LOT.]
It's so much!!
I swear they poop out the same volume as they take in.
Ah, you know about possible Surgeon General nominee Casey Means! "When it comes to a question like raw milk, I want to be free to form a relationship with a local farmer, understand his integrity, look him in the eyes, pet his cow, and then decide if I feel safe to drink the milk from his farm."
the language that some of these Florida farms are using to encourage people to try raw milk is extremely concerning to me
But it’s natural…
Like lead and arsenic…
The tours can't show you all the dangerous pathogens lurking in the milking barn and holding tanks, wtf did they expect?
Amateur hour question from someone who is not a farmer: Is it safe to feed calves raw milk from cows that lounge in warm stagnant ponds that are lush with weeds & algae, thanks to cow poop? I ask because Keely Farm Dairy offers home delivery for raw milk feed for calves, which seems convenient!
They are supposed to wash off the teats before beginning milking….
yeah but there's only so much washing off is gonna do when they're marinated in poo lagoon it's in crevices in the skin, between hairs, in the teat canals-> mastitis, etc
Poo lagoon! It just rolls off the tongue
My ex-dairy farming husband would have a fit over this if I showed it to him. He sold milk to Tillamook. Bulk milk tank was checked for bacteria count by the milk pickup guy and if the count was too high...that tank didn't get loaded.
Not just wash but dip the teats in disinfectant before and after.
It can be on the surface but gets into the openings and glands and is shed in the milk, not to mention causing mastitis. When that is the case, cleaning and disinfection won’t save you.
Mmmmmmm green poop titty juice good
i for one hope that maga ignore this blatant hit job against a beautiful farm with beautiful cows in a beautiful pond and i hope they continue to buy and consume their raw milk. 😉
I wouldn’t drink it!
Isn’t this in essence a manure pond? It’s shocking that raw milk here would be a source of an outbreak :/
doo doo milk
That's actually not recommended in livestock management, because wading in mud causes cuts in the feet which leads to "foot rot" or foot infections, and lameness. Water troughs are better.
By water troughs are better, I mean for the cattle’s drinking water supply. If the mud hole isn’t their drinking water supply, then it should be fenced off to keep them out.
I've owned cows myself and careful owners know this is dangerous for their cows. I just don't understand this level of carelessness 😖
Not to mention mastitis.
Uh I know nothing about livestock management and it *still* looked wrong to me!
A smart dairy owner would have fenced the pond in! How damned stupid.
this is so gross. can't wait to show my dairy building family.
pls let us know how they take it lmao
Cow-quality brain guy.
This is why I only hug dry cows
I love the farms that claim they figured out how to make raw milk safer by heating it above the temperature which the bacteria survive but lower than boiling to keep the nutrients. “…Bro, that’s just Pasteurization again.”
You know what, I respect that grift.
I want to get in on one of those conversations and be like “you know, if you pressurize a liquid the temperature which it boils goes up - What if we also pressurize the milk then cook a little hotter so it finishes faster…”
You seem to be assuming that the farm doesn't know exactly what they're doing, and passing off pasteurized milk as "special raw"
I grew up along the Gulf Coast. When I was a kid, somehow it came up that the cows we drove by sometimes were beef cattle and not dairy cows. I asked why there aren't dairies where we live, and... welp. This picture is why.
That really doesn't seem like it'd be good for the cows either.
I live in this town and drive by this every single day and have wondered at exactly this, these filthy swamp cattle, for years now. Why is everyone so keen on sucking swamp teat?! Absolutely horrifying.
Two things can be true here. 1.On a properly run farm, a stagnant pond is not a problem because you should be cleaning the udder anyways. 2.Pasteurization is just good and should always happen. Source: My parents raised Guernseys and, while I kinda don't like cows, I did learn a thing or two.
A real head scratcher.
There were cows next to my grandmother's house when I was a kid, those are gross animals.
Grooooooooossssssss 🤦♀️🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
i know raw milk is good for making some kinds of cheeses, and so it should exist because cheese is fantastic. it's not a healthy thing to drink. i might? i don't check. i smoke cigarettes and have a negative fuckin attitude too though, and like corn syrup.
Ick. I'd think that would be a health threat to the cows as well!
Baffling. We may never know why. 🤷♂️
Turns out germ theory is very real even if you treat the cows nicely.
📌
Surely the formerly pregnant woman who recently lost her fetus after drinking raw milk will be charged with reckless endangerment (or worse)…
Oh my god. I'm practically ill just looking at this. My retired dairy farmer uncles would have a fit! (Pasteurized milk, because they're not crazy.)
It seems like these lawsuits like this could make the business model unsustainable.
james; That, my friend, depends on how much $ the industry is paying to the politicians/regulators. See DeSantis & 34-felon. We get what we vote for. In this case, sickness and death. A pandemic & millions died and we *still* put these people back in office!
Oh my god nonononNOOOOOOO
JFC, this is just fucking cruel to her. Sorry, I get cranky about animals.
I'm sorry, I don't know anything about farms. Would most farmers clean the water? What is cruel about this?
it doesn't look like she HAS to be in there though. there is a field right there maybe she's just hot and wants a swim, and wants to delve into any crap puddle she can. I'm not defending the poop pool, just saying this doesn't look forced
It’s Florida, I’d guess a season that isn’t winter because the grass is green, and she has udders hot with milk. The poop pool is cooling, and animals’ hygiene isn’t ours, but they should have ways to cool off that won’t increase their risk of infection and mastitis.
the grass can absolutely still be green here in winter, but also winter can still be p hot
I’m in southern Louisiana. We got a paddle pool for the raccoons, because the nursing mothers looked so incredibly hot and uncomfortable. They poop in it if I don’t change the water every other day at least. (Don’t feed wild animals, raccoons have parasites that can get in your brain).
The thing most people (not you) aren't getting is that ponds on cow pasture can look lovely and not smell bad at all, and cows can enjoy going in them, and everything can be beautiful and happy AND ALSO STILL TEEMING WITH HARMFUL BACTERIA. It doesn't have to look or smell gross to be actually gross.
oh it looks disgusting, it's full of algae I'm just saying the cow itself doesn't seem forced to go in there, as an animal it's not suffering personally in the photo it's just doing a thing that's gross if you're planning to drink its milk
Imagine showing this to Louis Pasteur
A farm near me that specializes in raw milk had to stop all operations and give their cows to people who pasteurized the milk because of multiple listeria outbreaks. The owners are super sweet, they do a lot for the community, I have met their cows. I would never touch that milk
where/who was this, if I can ask? DM if you'd rather
I sent you a dm
i'm no expert, but could they not have started pasteurizing it themselves? or sold it to a third party that does the pasteurizing? Surely there's some option other than shutting down their business
They had to clean the entire barn without the cows being present so that was part of it, but I think they really believe in the unpasteurized milk (because I know they make very little money, they aren’t in it for that). I don’t doubt that they’ll try to build back when they can
unfortunately that sounds like they're gonna give a bunch of people listeria before having to sell off their herd again. wonder how many times they will repeat that cycle before deciding that pasteurization is good actually
Honestly surprised RFK jr hasn't asked to take his family swimming there. Yet.
A good place for a cow, though. Much better than the horrid factory farms. Too bad they don’t pasteurize the milk.
A biologist at uni described raw milk to me as regular milk only just absolutely swimming with parasite worms and that was enough words to make me never curious about raw milk
Watch a few cow hoof trimming videos* and you'll see how even cows kept in barns are constantly walking in manure. *They're an oddly relaxing mix of bovine manicures with Dr. Pimple Popper grossness resulting from hoof problems. Recommend Hoof CP and Nate the Hoof Guy on YouTube.
