Exactly what I'm talking about. Starmer should be hanging Farage out to dry, telling him the delays and checks are down to his Brexit. Go after Farage. Let him defend Britons being exposed to EES and Etias. 1
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The continued and almost constant obsession with Europe and what the EU are doing that the Brexiters seem to have is ridiculous You won, get over it !!!!!
aug 11, 2025, 9:04 am • 35 9 • view
Amen, Brother Mark!
aug 11, 2025, 12:44 pm • 4 0 • view
They’re like our American farmers who voted for Trump but are now losing their export markets and their employees are being deported. You got what you voted for file for bankruptcy already.
aug 11, 2025, 10:29 am • 10 0 • view
Except that they know that they won a hollow victory & some of these people don’t like that EU citizens still enjoy rights & benefits that UK citizens no longer enjoy. Sour grapes comes to mind. I’m trying not to come across as bulling here (never liked bullies), but patience is wearing thin.
aug 11, 2025, 9:55 pm • 4 1 • view
I'm not surprised. I'd be frustrated too.
aug 12, 2025, 8:33 am • 1 0 • view
They won, but they didn't actually *want* to win. They were going to be the valiant Davids taking on the beastly foreign Goliath but being stabbed in the back by the dastardly liberals at the last minute. It was a con that went wrong in the funniest way possible (if you're not British)
aug 11, 2025, 4:09 pm • 2 0 • view
They’re like the obsessive Ex who broke up with you yet still shitposts about you on Facebook
aug 11, 2025, 9:52 pm • 4 1 • view
It's weird. Literally nobody I know even thinks about the UK. The only reason I know a little is because I'm on this site but I have not much interest in what happens in the country of my birth any more.
aug 11, 2025, 3:51 pm • 1 0 • view
'But we didn't know it would apply to us and we don't want it' 🙄
aug 11, 2025, 12:00 pm • 3 1 • view
If you would like to see my sympathy, it's not there
aug 11, 2025, 4:46 pm • 1 0 • view
As for this Tory non-entity, yes, you are rule-takers, that is Brexit. You chose it. There is no deal. We apply our controls to third-country citizens. But I can't help be loving the seething entitlement Farage and the Tories manifest. #ExtrawurstGroßbritannien Ends
aug 11, 2025, 8:50 am • 44 7 • view
As an MEP from 1999 until 2020, Nigel had ample opportunity to study EES regulations 2017/2226 2017/2225 2016/399 and vote on them in the EU parliament, knowing they would apply to UK citizens. No surprises at his hypocrisy here, and the lack of accountability from UK media.
aug 11, 2025, 4:07 pm • 17 2 • view
Not sure why Niall is suggesting Farage voted for the new EU Entry/Exit System (EES) system in 2017. As for studying. Farage, as MEP, was noted for having one of the lowest attendance records and participating in only a small percentage of votes. Farage was there for the grift, not the graft.
aug 11, 2025, 8:33 pm • 3 0 • view
I agree Farage probably didn't bother voting. As the leader of the largest UK party in the EU parliament at the time, it was his job to negotiate on behalf of the UK citizens that he knew at the time would eventually be affected. More of his lazy BS that UK media laps up and promotes.
aug 11, 2025, 8:43 pm • 4 0 • view
this is a strange thread. Not sure why Niall is suggesting a prime minister should volte face on a "not in my lifetime" promise and suggesting labour should attack farage on brexit. Mr Brexit is growing in popularity in england. It's like Niall is looking at an old tv show on repeat.
aug 11, 2025, 8:58 pm • 0 0 • view
It would be the irony klaxon if it wasn’t you mendaciously cynical
aug 12, 2025, 7:22 am • 2 1 • view
Me? No, it's incredibly cynical.
aug 12, 2025, 9:42 am • 2 0 • view
Typo Meant to say “so” not “you”
aug 12, 2025, 9:44 am • 1 0 • view
Sorry Niall but becoming a 3rd country was not on the Referendum voting form and 8 years on people still have no idea what it means. Ignorance is till rampant on that issue but it serves the Reform party in brainwashing the gullible.
aug 11, 2025, 9:52 am • 1 0 • view
It was the law. They could never become anything else. Brexit always meant leaving the institutions, never otherwise Thréad for you 👇 bsky.app/profile/nial...
aug 11, 2025, 4:09 pm • 3 1 • view
Of course it is the law which those well informed would have known from the start.
aug 11, 2025, 3:46 pm • 0 0 • view
People voted to become a third country, about seven times in total. There is no excuse.
aug 11, 2025, 5:09 pm • 2 0 • view
Well what’s their problem then?
aug 11, 2025, 6:04 pm • 1 0 • view
Honestly, they let themselves be guided by hate, exceptionalism and entitlement. They wanted to believe only foreigner would be hurt.
aug 12, 2025, 1:40 pm • 0 0 • view
Well, yes it was. That was the Leave option. Unfortunately too many people couldn't be arsed to inform themselves on what leaving the EU would actually mean, and instead chose to believe liars and charlatans without even considering they might not be telling the truth.
aug 11, 2025, 10:56 am • 5 0 • view
I never heard anyone mentioning becoming a 3rd party and its consequences. And yes you are right too many failed to inform themselves instead they believed the lies they were told.
aug 11, 2025, 10:53 am • 1 0 • view
It was on the ballot paper. It was also on, inter alia, the winning manifesto in 2019
aug 11, 2025, 4:21 pm • 1 0 • view
My bad then. I didn't realise it actually was on the ballot paper...still all some had to do was research its meaning and consequences not crying over spilt milk years after.
aug 11, 2025, 3:49 pm • 2 0 • view
Yeah and after the Leave vote Google told us the most asked question in the UK was: " what is the European Union ". You can't fix stupid so it seems even after 9 years.
aug 11, 2025, 4:15 pm • 1 0 • view
But you can fix misinformation 😉
aug 11, 2025, 3:52 pm • 0 0 • view
Too big a task it seems but apart from that: yes.
aug 11, 2025, 4:42 pm • 1 0 • view
I expect it’s very important to Niall to make you feel responsible for Brexit and to make you feel that this is what you chose and wanted. Because as soon as people realise it wasn’t what they chose or wanted, they might want to undo it or change it
aug 11, 2025, 6:05 pm • 0 0 • view
No Andrew. I’m an EU citizen not allowed to vote in the referendum so no one is making me feel responsible. I was questioning the ignorance about the 3rd country status which is still something some people won’t accept and expect to be exempted from it.
aug 11, 2025, 6:10 pm • 2 0 • view
That’s because third country status just means “third party to the various EU membership treaties”. It doesn’t mean no agreements are possible. Peoples expectation following the referendum was that there would be a debate in Parliament and a decision made
aug 11, 2025, 6:13 pm • 0 0 • view
And that if agreements could not be reached with the EU that Brexit would not go ahead
aug 11, 2025, 6:13 pm • 0 0 • view
Victims of Brexit fully understand what being third country means, but they don’t accept the absence of any agreements with the EU or EU27. These are the agreements we need and if they can’t be made outside of the single market or the EU then we need UK to join the single market or EU.
aug 11, 2025, 6:14 pm • 4 2 • view
I’m aware of all that. It’s those who are still banging on about it who need informing on what being out of the bloc means.
aug 11, 2025, 6:17 pm • 0 0 • view
Many of us know very well what being out of the bloc means and we wouldn’t have left in the first place. But I believe the only way to force our politicians to rethink is to demand that they try to negotiate the things they thought they could agree with the EU. They need to learn they cannot
aug 11, 2025, 6:20 pm • 3 2 • view
I'm waiting for the BBC to admit that the huge rise in boats crossings has to do with Brexit. I'll hold my breath 😉
aug 12, 2025, 9:54 am • 0 0 • view
All the EU needs to do to help is to say “no but if you agree to rejoin then we will do this”
aug 11, 2025, 6:22 pm • 2 1 • view
and look at the publication ... sometimes I shake my head and wonder how they can be so brazen and people just fall for this nonsense ??? now that % is lower of course but when realties impacts your Spanish holiday ...
aug 11, 2025, 8:54 am • 6 1 • view
The right-wing British press doesn't see its role as informing or educating its readership about the real issues around Brexit. Rather, it tries to reflect and magnify the prejudices of its readership - hence, the EU needs to be "stood up to", Starmer is "weak" vis-a-vis Europe, blah blah.
aug 11, 2025, 10:25 am • 3 0 • view
But it is the sheer hypocrisy of it and surely people not that dumb to see this ???
aug 11, 2025, 10:27 am • 4 0 • view
I used to think that, before 2016. Since then I have no such hopes.
aug 11, 2025, 10:53 am • 1 0 • view
I don't get how professional people just lose their questioning skills once retired
aug 11, 2025, 11:53 am • 1 0 • view
I don't think the average reader of these publications is necessarily very reflective or self-critical, and the myth of the dastardly Eurocrat is something the right-wing press has spent decades cultivating.
aug 11, 2025, 10:41 am • 3 0 • view
but thats the thing the middle class are reading the Daily mail retired or working are like in professional jobs like accountants I would expect people to question
aug 11, 2025, 11:51 am • 1 0 • view
There's a big question around why the boomer generation is "angry" - see the post from @flipchartrick.bsky.social. After retirement a lot of people do lose touch with challenges for working people, especially if they're well off, own their homes etc flipchartfairytales.wordpress.com/2016/06/08/w...
aug 11, 2025, 12:00 pm • 2 0 • view
You can see it in your parents and how little they remember the challenges of parenting when you have kids
aug 11, 2025, 4:43 pm • 2 0 • view
Even the Spectator - the Spectator! - has picked up in how unaffordable housing has become for the young, and how boomers don't understand this. www.spectator.co.uk/article/boom...
aug 11, 2025, 5:11 pm • 3 0 • view
But won’t propose the remedies which is build and build and more social I.e what lab are trying to do
aug 11, 2025, 5:15 pm • 3 0 • view
but in this case say, they voted for brexit, they knew it meant isolation from Europe so what ETIAS means is that ??? It is literally what Farage wanted and so did the voters, control of borders ??? how can an ex professional person not see this who voted for brexit ?
aug 11, 2025, 12:04 pm • 0 0 • view
The Brexit debate was rancourous but poorly informed on the real issues & implications - partly down to partisan media coverage, but also cakeist Brexiteers who were "high on their own supply" ("we hold all the cards" etc) www.cnbc.com/video/2016/0...
aug 11, 2025, 12:09 pm • 0 0 • view
I think a lot of people didn’t think that carefully about it. Had a long chat with a friend’s neighbour about this a couple of years ago. Recently retired 50s-born professional. Just the sort of person you’re talking about. He regrets it now.
aug 11, 2025, 12:18 pm • 2 0 • view
Well, as a EU citizen I have to pay an entry fee for the UK now, so I really don't mind Brits having to wait at the EU borders and being checked. We must be sure also that they don't overstay their visit. Don't need no illegals from over the Channel. 🤷🏻♂️
aug 11, 2025, 9:08 am • 30 2 • view
Very fair. And agreed.
aug 11, 2025, 12:52 pm • 3 0 • view
Exactly right
aug 11, 2025, 10:58 am • 5 0 • view
😂😂😂😂 I cannot believe they are printing this!
aug 11, 2025, 10:46 am • 8 1 • view
Ça, ça ne m'étonne pas de tout. La presse jaune britannique a toujours manqué le respect pour l'Europe et pour le civilité
aug 11, 2025, 4:16 pm • 5 0 • view
You got to have the cheek to do it though..for years they have been anti EU, "Are borders" etc.. Also, Farage must have known about it as he was an MEP till 2020 and it was adopted in 2017. Did he vote for it?
aug 11, 2025, 5:32 pm • 5 1 • view
He did.
aug 11, 2025, 5:44 pm • 5 0 • view
Well, that should be thrown back to his face. He knew what was coming and that the UK was going to be a third country. The utter twat !!
aug 11, 2025, 5:47 pm • 7 0 • view
Agreed. These people are lice
aug 11, 2025, 7:28 pm • 4 0 • view
Not sure why Niall is saying he did but the answer is No, Farage didn't vote for the new EES checks in October 2017. 477 in favour, 139 against with 50 abstentions www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/pres...
aug 11, 2025, 8:21 pm • 0 0 • view
But he knew it was coming as he was an MEP.
aug 11, 2025, 9:37 pm • 1 0 • view
Also where go you find who voted for it? I can’t find it.
aug 11, 2025, 9:39 pm • 1 0 • view
niall means well but he's not the brightest bulb in the box. Farage voting for a measure that strengthens EU schengen is just as likely as he voted remain in 2016.
aug 11, 2025, 9:46 pm • 0 0 • view
It's so bizarre if you take a step back. Labour perceive Farage to be their prime/only opposition, and yet when gifted with the perfect weapon to take him down they absolutely refuse to use it. How is that clever politics?
aug 11, 2025, 8:55 am • 34 7 • view
It's genuinely dumb. They remind me of a bigger football team that insists on playing tiki taka on a sodden pitch on a rainy blustery day. As they say in the UK, "Stick it in the mixer"
aug 11, 2025, 11:54 am • 3 1 • view
Morgan McSweeney, Stephen Driver and maybe Sophie Nazemi. Starmer needs to get them in a quiet room for a long hard chat. Labour's strategy and messaging has been absolutely deplorable since they took office. Regardless of anything they've done to the good, all we hear is total negativity. Dreadful!
aug 11, 2025, 5:06 pm • 11 3 • view
I think that’s not the direction of power-flow within the Labour Party.
aug 11, 2025, 5:50 pm • 3 0 • view
I wouldn't over think this. Labour has done some good things but none are picked up by msm or social media. It's a daily hammering by farage and RW media on easily refutable issues. Labour's PR and messaging is rubbish - and if that's a strategy, it simply ain't working - so that's rubbish too.
aug 11, 2025, 8:19 pm • 2 0 • view
Does long hard chat = sacking 🤔
aug 12, 2025, 7:18 am • 1 0 • view
Doesn't exclude it...
aug 12, 2025, 10:30 am • 2 0 • view
It shouldn’t.
aug 12, 2025, 2:04 pm • 2 0 • view
Morgan McSweeney is a right wing ghoul. It’s not the Labour Party. It’s blue Labour. No one in their right mind is ever voting Labour again. Voted Labour my whole life. Never again. Same for my whole family. Never again.
aug 12, 2025, 6:14 am • 1 0 • view
This is what I mean about labour messaging. They HAVE done good things but all that gets through is perceived failure. They've lost you and God knows how many more. By the time the next GE comes around, they will have rectified a lot of tory sabotage and gotten closer to EU. But you're still gone.
aug 12, 2025, 10:29 am • 2 0 • view
Because tedious repetition of Brexit issues would waste energy needed for positive action and gains elsewhere. Brexit/Farage/Reform disasters more obvious by the day anyway.
aug 11, 2025, 1:18 pm • 3 0 • view
There will come a point where Labour complacency about its electoral calculations becomes catastrophically unwise. Perhaps we have already passed it.
aug 11, 2025, 2:00 pm • 5 1 • view
Imagine the surprise among Daily Mail readers when someone points out that the EU border controls being introduced where actually formulated and agreed to by the previous Tory government while we were still in the EU.
aug 12, 2025, 9:30 am • 2 0 • view
You know the answer - they have decided not to attack any consequence of Brexit. They still think it is a vote winner 🤣
aug 11, 2025, 1:39 pm • 2 0 • view
Seems to me that that would involve Starmer having to admit that Brexit isn't the cornucopia of "opportunities" that will now mysteriously appear just as soon as we've finally vanquished the EU. He's got red lines on that sort of thing...
aug 11, 2025, 9:30 am • 9 1 • view
His redlines will cause his political Waterloo
aug 11, 2025, 3:58 pm • 4 1 • view
Yep, as soon as Starmer said Labour will 'make Brexit work' he nullified any opportunity to criticise Farage re. Brexit and his role in it. He needs to come out and say Brexit isn't working.
aug 11, 2025, 9:41 am • 12 3 • view
He can't, he voted for Johnson's brexit deal. If he admits it's not working, he's effectively resigned.
aug 11, 2025, 10:27 am • 6 0 • view
Yep. He should have abstained. Now he should resign. Faults after faults.
aug 11, 2025, 12:51 pm • 5 0 • view
I'd love to understand the political thinking behind him voting for Johnson's brexit deal. If couldn't vote against, at least abstain and laugh at Johnson trying to get it through with his own MP's. Plus he could have banged on about a (mythical) Labour Brexit which would have been so much better!
aug 11, 2025, 1:12 pm • 5 0 • view
Triangulation and poor strategic thinking ?
aug 11, 2025, 1:14 pm • 3 0 • view
I'm not exactly a strategic genius, but it seemed obvious he was building a trap for himself at the time!
aug 11, 2025, 1:15 pm • 3 0 • view
Yep. He is not a political genius too. He is thus aggravating the situation that Brexit, which he did not want in the beginning, has generated for the Four Peoples.
aug 11, 2025, 1:32 pm • 1 0 • view
Farage just taps into Brit outrage that Europe sees them they way they see migrants. It's a blow to realize that being British is nothing special.
aug 11, 2025, 3:41 pm • 14 1 • view
Yes, well observed. It drives the exceptionalists nuts
aug 11, 2025, 5:02 pm • 6 0 • view
I think Niall means well but he's very mistaken if he thinks a PM will volte face on a "not in my lifetime" election promise or attacking farage on brexit will work. Support for mr brexit is increasing in england as the english withdraw from the "british" & "uk" thing.
aug 11, 2025, 9:26 pm • 1 0 • view
Tis a baffling dichotomy
aug 12, 2025, 2:23 pm • 0 0 • view
“Island of Strangers” Starmer has been “very clear”, he is staunch, hardline, brexiter: “So let me be very clear, with Labour, britain will not go back into the EU. We will not be joining the single market. We will not be joining a customs union” Scotland deserves better than to be chained to this
aug 12, 2025, 7:28 am • 12 2 • view
I guess so. Will Scotland behave as a sovereign nation ?
aug 12, 2025, 10:51 am • 2 1 • view
I hope so 🏴🇪🇺
aug 12, 2025, 10:55 am • 1 0 • view
Can’t help thinking ‘Gregory’s Girl’ holds the key to gently leading Starmer from what he thinks he wants to what he actually wants but is too bamboozled to realise.
aug 12, 2025, 9:59 am • 0 0 • view
What Starmer wants is to remain in power, and the way that he has chosen to try and stop the hemorrhaging of votes to Farage, is to shamelessly ape the racist Far Right in England Brexity England is no longer politically compatible with internationalist Scotland, so independence is inevitable 🏴🇪🇺
aug 12, 2025, 10:59 am • 2 0 • view
I am extremely nervous about bringing brexit back into the political debate. Brexit fatigue, which brought Boris Johnson his victory, is still a thing and I think Farage would use it to his advantage. There is no remedy for what happens when you take a pigeon on at chess. The pigeon wins, every time
aug 11, 2025, 9:31 am • 7 0 • view
So when do you think that the Tired and apathetic should get out of the way and let the Young, Angry and utterly Neglected have a go ?
aug 11, 2025, 4:57 pm • 3 0 • view
Voters don't openly blame brexit for the country's ill. They blame politicians and don't diferenciate which party. They also, strangely, don't perceive Farage as a politician.
aug 11, 2025, 9:31 am • 2 0 • view
There is also the issue with a growing number of non voters meaning Farage only needs to persuade 2 in 10 voters. 20% is a landslide in UK politics now.
aug 11, 2025, 9:31 am • 2 1 • view
I strongly disagree. Farage only gets away with this because the other *let* him
aug 11, 2025, 4:00 pm • 5 0 • view
Maybe. I think going full on Brexit is the reason you're poor would be a gamble. Starmer isn't a gambling man.
aug 11, 2025, 4:48 pm • 1 0 • view
He ought to be, because playing safe is a nailed-on guaranteed way to lose GE2029.
aug 12, 2025, 1:29 am • 1 0 • view
Shoot the fucker then eat it. Like to see it play chess after that
sep 8, 2025, 8:05 pm • 1 0 • view
He cannot … he is not a leader, he does not have leadership qualities
aug 11, 2025, 9:52 am • 3 0 • view
It’s even worse than that. Starmer is not even a politician. He doesn’t think or act like a politician. He is totally out of his depth. I genuinely think a lot of local councillors would make a better fist of the PM job than Starmer is managing. They have more energy, more ”feel” for public opinion
aug 12, 2025, 1:36 am • 2 0 • view
I agree entirely …
aug 12, 2025, 7:18 am • 1 0 • view
Precisely, but he won’t. Starmer’s stuck in the delusion he can out-Reform Reform, so instead of pinning EES/ETIAS squarely on Farage’s Brexit, he tiptoes around him like he’s Voldemort in a Barbour jacket.
aug 11, 2025, 9:49 pm • 6 1 • view
Perhaps that’s because the Brexit referendum showed that, whatever the current polling, the nationalistic/xenophobic vote with no regard for the consequences for freedom, prosperity, security and morality is potentially 52%. They pander to the irrationality, which they fear and don’t understand.
aug 11, 2025, 10:05 pm • 2 0 • view
Niall means well Simon, but, he's not the brightest bulb in the box. the notion a british PM would volte face on a "not in my lifetime" election promise or attacking farage on brexit will work is for the birds. There is more to the brexit vote & support for Mr Brexit than what you describe.
aug 11, 2025, 10:20 pm • 0 0 • view
Perhaps. But worth noting 2016 wasn’t 52% nationalism, it was a one-off coalition Farage flogged as friction-free Brexit. Now EES & ETIAS are just 3rd-country reality. Stop fearing voters, start levelling with them: sovereignty brings friction. Blame the architects, not pander to them.
aug 11, 2025, 10:41 pm • 4 0 • view
Fearing voters is a self-fulfilling prophecy, isn’t it? Not having a clear vision and trying to pander will lead to people not being convinced of what you want. Treat voters like adults: talk to them about pros and cons, and your vision and why you think it’s best. Then they behave like adults too.
aug 12, 2025, 12:03 am • 9 1 • view
Yeah, but Starmer is basically pro Brexit these days so not really an option.
aug 12, 2025, 7:31 am • 1 0 • view
Unbelievable anti-eu sentiment amongst the ex pat community down here in France. You literally can’t make it up
aug 12, 2025, 7:06 am • 6 2 • view
Can you be more specific about what kind of thing?
aug 12, 2025, 9:38 am • 1 0 • view
The EU making things hard on Brits then the usual grumbling about the EU as imposing regulations etc. basically they are anti-EU without recognising the advantages - these are older types who have been here sometime and relatively easily got right to remain.
aug 12, 2025, 10:20 am • 2 1 • view
I’ve come to the conclusion that a large number of people (not just brits) want the benefits of the EU but don’t want the EU. It’s analogous with attitudes to taxes - some people want all the benefits that taxes pay for but don’t want to pay them. No gvt would be mad enough to listen and even
aug 12, 2025, 10:26 am • 3 0 • view
Enact such silliness like getting rid of taxes or the EU until the tories lost leave of all sense. It feels like the US is trying to go down the no taxes now they are led by insane madmen….
aug 12, 2025, 10:26 am • 3 0 • view
I wonder about different perspectives depending on the demographics, especially working vs retired. The retired seemed detached from the sense of obligation to the polity in which they reside. There seems to be a rise in this kind of expat mentality more like holiday-maker. See Italians in Portugal.
aug 12, 2025, 11:22 am • 4 1 • view
Do they realise they are economic migrants?
aug 12, 2025, 9:40 am • 3 0 • view
The "immigrant" community...
aug 12, 2025, 7:14 am • 3 0 • view
Well exactly
aug 12, 2025, 7:50 am • 1 0 • view
There is a difference between an ex pat and an immigrant. The latter tend to be less exceptionalist and try to fit in. The former click fingers for service and need the golf course watering
aug 12, 2025, 9:50 am • 5 0 • view
I'm surprised. I go to France regularly, can't spend a week there without at least three people asking how Brexit is going? I see no indication that anyone wants to Frexit. MLP has changed her stance on that because it isn't a popular policy.
aug 12, 2025, 10:04 am • 1 0 • view
I'm surprised ex pats would have brexit sympathies especially knowing the hoops they had to jump through just to be able to stay in France.
aug 12, 2025, 10:04 am • 1 0 • view
It’s more anti-EU than anything else.
aug 12, 2025, 10:21 am • 1 0 • view
I got that, but surely they realise their lives would be so much easier if UK was still in EU. (or are they stupid?) mind you, there's no shortage of French people moaning about EU (convenient scapegoat), not about to Frexit though.
aug 12, 2025, 10:27 am • 2 0 • view
I think so but it’s more that they blame the EU for the consequences of the British choice to leave the EU.
aug 12, 2025, 10:31 am • 3 0 • view
Ah ! Another example of exeptionalism.
aug 12, 2025, 10:32 am • 0 0 • view
#exceptionalism.
aug 12, 2025, 10:34 am • 1 0 • view
It’s something I am quite familiar with in the classroom where kids blame the teacher for implementing the consequences that their choices invoke.
aug 12, 2025, 10:31 am • 3 0 • view
Yes but they're children.
aug 12, 2025, 10:33 am • 1 0 • view
We are all children 😉
aug 12, 2025, 1:37 pm • 1 0 • view
Are these actual residents or simply 'extended holiday France visa' types?
aug 12, 2025, 9:48 am • 0 0 • view
No residents over here
aug 12, 2025, 10:21 am • 0 0 • view
I wonder what “stand up to” means. It might be enough for the primitive nationalist mentality to make jingoistic noises however unreasonably and pointlessly. These people feel safe belonging to a group in conflict with other groups. More internationalist people feel safe in cooperation.
aug 11, 2025, 9:04 am • 13 2 • view
Excellent point. Tablóid phrasology has infected so much of political life
aug 11, 2025, 11:57 am • 4 0 • view
It means, why won't the EU just let the UK have whatever it wants, when, the UK knows it's the superior entity. It's why the UK turned up on Day 1 of the negotiations totally unprepared to negotiate. Arrogance, exceptionalism, delusions of grandeur, call it what you want but it is getting tedious.
aug 11, 2025, 11:34 am • 5 1 • view
Yes, heading into 2 world cups territory.
aug 11, 2025, 11:58 am • 2 0 • view
One World Cup, surely?
aug 11, 2025, 4:42 pm • 0 0 • view
One soccer, yes, and that is the song. But I wouldn't dust them out of the rugby one, specifically to save my own face here.
aug 11, 2025, 4:59 pm • 1 0 • view
Fair enough. (although a good mate would not stop taunting me about this after the match)
aug 11, 2025, 5:35 pm • 1 0 • view
It's terrible to make a mistake online. But hey.
aug 11, 2025, 5:36 pm • 1 0 • view
It's the constant search for easy answers. If only he'd "stand up to" the EU, everything would be grand. Until it isn't.
aug 11, 2025, 10:29 am • 6 1 • view
imagine the Mail screeching Traitor Starmer defends despotic unelected Brussels bureaucrats punishing our Patriots for leaving the EU dictatorship. He’ll sell our Sovereignty, scrap our beloved blue passports and smash our borders forever. Goodbye British laws we’ll be under the jackboot!
aug 12, 2025, 7:25 am • 3 0 • view
He's not getting positive press anyhow, even where he's done nothing wrong. So, I'd say, it's worth rolling the dice
aug 12, 2025, 9:44 am • 4 0 • view
Absolutely. If asylum applications were processed in Calais now in 4 years time there would be so few boats the far right morons wouldn’t have them to shout at. Doesn’t matter what policy Labour do within secs some twat says BOATS 🚤
aug 12, 2025, 3:49 pm • 2 0 • view
Usually, Simon Jones BBC small boats correspondent.
aug 12, 2025, 3:57 pm • 3 0 • view
The Been certainly has to do it’s own part in ushering in a far right government by stoking the fire yes
aug 12, 2025, 4:31 pm • 2 0 • view
Two articles on ITV news 1 about q Hotel in Epping under pressure to evict the Asylum seekers or face more disorder plus another 50k people have crossed the channel 'under Labour' (as if they're responsible). 1st story about a black footballer getting racist abuse but not making a connection.
aug 12, 2025, 7:23 pm • 2 0 • view
Scots scouts holidaying in Wales targetted as immigrants by some of my idiot countrymen. A town that benefitted massively from EU, but voted leave. It's just so depressing.
aug 12, 2025, 7:34 pm • 5 0 • view
And without the EU money is now even more depressed. Thick cunts basically.
aug 12, 2025, 8:00 pm • 3 0 • view
Reform are going to clean up in Wales, I'm afraid.
aug 12, 2025, 8:05 pm • 1 0 • view
So the polling and the media seems to suggest. The only cleaning up they'll manage though, particularly when those woke Commie binmen go on strike.
aug 12, 2025, 8:15 pm • 0 0 • view
“The EU didn't punish us for leaving. We surrendered the benefits of membership.”
aug 12, 2025, 7:39 pm • 14 2 • view
That's what those who voted yes voted for.
aug 11, 2025, 10:46 am • 1 0 • view
The other person who makes this point frequently and who does go after Farage is @AlastairCampbell2.bsky.social It is a shame that others don’t do the same
aug 11, 2025, 1:51 pm • 4 0 • view
Yes, but his party is failing tactically
aug 11, 2025, 4:59 pm • 2 0 • view
Completely. They are like cardboard cutouts.
aug 11, 2025, 8:28 pm • 2 0 • view
They will blame the EU…never the UK and even less so Farage.
aug 11, 2025, 7:30 pm • 12 1 • view
Agreed
aug 11, 2025, 8:33 pm • 5 0 • view
It is a major problem but not one that will be tackled anytime soon. It is part of the attitude problem that might end up being a bigger barrier towards UK EU membership than things like not being democratic enough and too much debt.
aug 11, 2025, 8:36 pm • 8 1 • view
Yeah, they're åřșėhōľëś, totally divorced from reality. Can't make policy on that basis. France is the UK's closest and best ally.
aug 11, 2025, 4:06 pm • 3 0 • view
If it was for Brexit, we wouldn't have to travel to the EU. We would already be there
aug 11, 2025, 11:31 am • 6 0 • view
Yes. Not in Schengen, obviously, but yes
aug 11, 2025, 4:39 pm • 0 0 • view
Ha !
aug 11, 2025, 12:51 pm • 1 0 • view
Starmer is an idiot
aug 11, 2025, 7:05 pm • 2 0 • view
A lot of the comments under that article say that none of this applies when you travel by rubber boat. So, be smart Brexit patriots, travel by rubber boat for you booze holidays to that oppressive EU and stick your sovereign two fingers up to them by doing so. That will teach them who's boss!
aug 11, 2025, 9:21 am • 21 2 • view
You're a hard man, Phil, but fair
aug 11, 2025, 12:55 pm • 3 0 • view
I am. Generous, too. I will personally pay for the rubber boat for these patriots. It is the least they deserve.
aug 11, 2025, 1:02 pm • 7 0 • view
Kickstarter!
aug 11, 2025, 4:55 pm • 1 0 • view
Yes, kicking the cunts INTO the boats
aug 12, 2025, 7:29 am • 3 0 • view
Don't rubber boats only go from France to UK?
aug 11, 2025, 11:24 am • 1 0 • view
*coast
aug 11, 2025, 11:34 am • 1 0 • view
Presumably you can pick one up cheap at the voast
aug 11, 2025, 11:33 am • 2 0 • view
Apparently, but according to UK Politicians, only criminal gangs know how to supply boats.
aug 11, 2025, 11:37 am • 2 0 • view
Yes. But he can't bring himself to use the "B" word.
aug 11, 2025, 11:30 am • 2 0 • view
The biggest strategic mistakes is to be pussyfooting around Farage and his cult of deranged lunatics. Call them out for the utter mess they plunged Britain in. By all objective measures Brexit was and is an unmitigated disaster. Call it out and offer a way out. And win that election by a landslide.
aug 11, 2025, 12:56 pm • 5 1 • view
He can't though, because, inexplicably, he voted for it. Not vote against, not abstain, but *for* it. I didn't understand why at the time, and I still don't now. Massive own goal.
aug 11, 2025, 10:25 am • 10 2 • view
The tactical mistake to surpass all others
aug 11, 2025, 4:12 pm • 3 0 • view
Yep. He’s got only one solution now : resign !
aug 11, 2025, 12:52 pm • 1 0 • view
I mean only one worthy solution now.
aug 11, 2025, 12:53 pm • 1 0 • view
The reason is pretty straightforward. Every party said they would respect the referendum result. They did that. Remember that Labour lost many seats to Johnson because of Brexit. It does not stop him from having a new policy now.
aug 11, 2025, 12:52 pm • 1 0 • view
Brexit happened anyhow, the referendum mandate has been expunged
aug 11, 2025, 4:52 pm • 0 0 • view
True. To argue it continues is to argue Liverpool should be forever Premier League Champions. Which might be no bad thing!
aug 11, 2025, 6:41 pm • 1 0 • view
Europe says no!
aug 11, 2025, 8:27 pm • 0 0 • view
Some may disagree
aug 12, 2025, 12:02 am • 1 0 • view
To Liverpool being even more smug and pious?
aug 12, 2025, 9:23 am • 1 0 • view
Take your pick of any team that wins anything. It's ridiculous to say that the competition is closed and they are forever victors. Ditto brexit.
aug 12, 2025, 12:19 pm • 2 0 • view
Exactly. The referendum is finished, Brexit happened, nothing is off the table.
aug 12, 2025, 12:52 pm • 1 0 • view
He could still have respected it, but argued Johnson's deal was bad (because it was).
aug 11, 2025, 1:13 pm • 1 0 • view
Exactly in line with what you see now. The obsession with regaining the red wall seats has led them to this point.
aug 11, 2025, 1:34 pm • 1 0 • view