There seem to be plenty who are desperate to believe otherwise

If Bylines want to get more coverage of the report they would be better served by removing any references to the comedic figure David Davis (who most people had forgotten about before they’d even found out who he was) He was only really responsible for some of the early shambolic WA negotiations

It was he who said there'd be no downsides, only upsides, no?

Yes he did, although I doubt many people would even remember who he was let alone what he said 9 years ago Using his name might grab the attention of the people who (in Ms Smith’s words) are “in politics” but 90% of the population aren’t and if you want to grab their attention call it something else

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I would expect if you asked 100 people under 40 years old who those people are, probably only Gove would possibly be vaguely recognised and even he is becoming more forgettable as each week goes by, slowly disappearing in the rear view mirror of irrelevance

+1 I feel like tying it to him as a 'personality' 🙄 ties the outrage to him too (as if it was only his fault) when there's more than enough blame and bonkers quotes to go round. It's like (not really, but) blaming the guy who just quit for there being no more chocolate biscuits in the office tin.

Yes Niall x

We all recognise it. Which is something.

It’s a start for sure x

Not all. Plenty of Brexiters including in politics left or at least they can't get themselves to admit it for ideology and/or false pride reasons.

There are also enough Labour stans who insist on behalf of the great Leader that 1+1 still = 3.

Yet they both look so happy 😂

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They were told what they wanted bullshit, and they got what they wanted. Theyre out. Not our fault or our responsibility.

*and it was bullshit

Failure is the wrong word. It’s a total disaster for the UK, but a huge success for the people who drove it. They are all fabulously wealthy and/or sitting in the House of Lords, with directorships political “party’s”, and other money making scams off the back of Brexit.

I respectfully disagree. Brexit has been a success.Britons got exactly what they (collectively) voted for. They voted for 🇬🇧 to be treated as a 3rd-ctry & it is.They voted to take back control,they did.They voted for us EU cits to "go back whence we came from",we (collectively) did (I didn't though).

I think this is a fair assessment. Leaving the EU wasn't a failure. It won the ref and it was successfully completed, with an agreement securing the UK the most divergence to boot. Whether the UK is better off today (= whether Global Britain 2.0 is a success or a failure) is a different question.

Er no, Brits didn’t ‘take back control’. They lost it massively, economically, politically & socially. They lost any say in the running of much of their own continent, by losing MEPs.

Nor did Britons "lose control" b/c their elected representatives convened in Brussels and Strabourg w/ the elected representatives from neighbouring countries across Europe to decide on common laws and regulations. 1/2

But if it keeps Britons (a 52% majority thereof) happy to believe they have taken back control because now all their representatives are elected in the UK and convene in WM, let's just leave them their illusions - Britons took back control, let them enjoy control 🙂 2/2

It also creates a much clearer situation vis-à-vis the EU. We can take no credit or blame for the UK's successes and failures, titanic or otherwise.

And they are titanic. Can I claim asylum in Fr pls?

You most certainly can, it's your right which (unlike the current UK) France would probably not try to take from you. Whether they would accept it is of course another question. 🙂

I'm sure you can even cross "la Manche" in a small boat, the French wouldn't arrest you - but if your claim for asylum is denied, they may well send you back under the "One in, One out" scheme 😂

I didn't say anything about taking back control - I simply noted that the act of leaving the EU was successfully completed therefore it wasn't a failure.

It was a tradeoff chauvinism against pragmatism. It’s no good saying people where bamboozled into thinking they could have both. Chauvinism includes the assertion that it’s always better without foreigners. People valued being chauvinistic above even considering anything else.

Everyone who was meant to benefit from brexit... has. People who manage finance are very forward thinking. Deadline for all EU members to enact anti tax avoidance directive was about to close some lucrative loopholes. Imagine being able to convince the biggest tax avoidance network to brexit in time

Once Brexit happened, it emboldened Britain's racists. And here we are, now.

It did, and now you see the same arguments (by the same people) being made over the ECHR….

You can never, ever, appease the far right. So don't bother trying. Sadly, it seems that Starmer's not heeded the lessons of history.

I am simultaneously shocked and not surprised that so many people did not see the failure that Brexit would be. Right wing propaganda not withstanding, the evidence was there for all to see. I believe that anti EU sentiment was years in the making by government(s) that feared ceding powers.

What's striking is how labour are sticking to the pro brexit stance. Their brexit red lines - No to SM, CU or re-join "in my lifetime" was their pre election promise. As if brits are too stupid to notice 👇