Christian, American, liberal, geoist. Big fan of compassion and taxing rents. Not a fan of oathbreakers or NIMBYs. Everything in politics is now secondary to preserving our Constitution.
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The evidence, for starters, is that there’s been massive public feuding on a scale that could not possibly have happened had this been the caucus consensus. They also chose their fall guys very poorly if the goal was to minimize overall primary vulnerability.
I didn’t say that we could do it all in 2026. They can each be reckoned with as they come up for reelection.
…the voters next year could possibly be stupid enough to think caving was a good idea.
That none of the Senators who caved are up next year doesn’t prove that the whole caucus secretly conspired to get this outcome and foist it on those who could not be held accountable. (Democrats are not known for their secret conspiracy abilities.) It proves that no one disciplined by facing…
As for the idea that not being up next year would protect them - try telling that to the Senators who voted for Obamacare in 2010 and got wiped out in 2014.
Already addressed this. This is a conspiracy theory entirely at odds with the evidence. bsky.app/profile/thor...
Elissa Slotkin cannot be primaried. Brian Schatz can. This theory does not predict their behavior.
There’s conspiracy theory floating around that his position is actually the caucus consensus, and they had leadership and retiring Senators take the fall so others wouldn’t be primaried. But then why were the vast majority of swing state senators - practically immune to primaries - against this?
Reminder: the vast majority of elected Dems held strong. We can throw the bums who didn’t out.
Reminder: the vast majority of elected Dems held strong. We can throw the bums who didn’t out.
Wait how lol
Lol good luck getting through MA Also there’s not much of worth north of NH
The good news is, a lot of those people don’t vote in primaries.
I mean Dems have the luxury of their votes not mattering there, right? Republicans can jam through a party line vote with no filibuster.
And probably what cost Harris the election was what cost literally every incumbent party in the world
They didn’t though He kept saying it, the media ignored it once it wasn’t news
She’ll have literally just fought (and hopefully won) a mayoral campaign. She can’t run next year.
Well that’s hardly a good use of resources. It’s not like half the caucus is going to be turned over in primaries. (And any plausible primary opponent for Markey will be from his right.)
And worse, the retirees voting for this. Shaheen and Peters should be spat upon.
Most of the party did their job! It’s one guy in the House and nine in the senate who need a booting hard enough to turn their behind into a crater.
Most of the party did their job! It’s one guy in the House and nine in the senate who need a booting hard enough to turn their behind into a crater.
Like that suggests a broad caucus consensus that the bill needed to pass, so leadership got the people who couldn’t be punished to take the fall But then why are the others from safe states instead of effectively unprimary-able swing state senators
Why are the retirees the ones pushing this catastrophe through is the question They should be the strongest noes
Peters is retiring, as is Shaheen Absolute failures
This has to be fake right? Vance has tried to act like he thinks they’re funny
Is he a no because the budget isn’t crazy enough or because he remembered the text of the Constitution long enough to remember that Congress needs to cut the budget instead of the President
Wow, Foreman *did* try the stupid drug
Probably saved four Senate seats and a dozen or more House seats, while avoiding the embarrassment of a 55-41 blowout where Trump flips New Jersey
Two things: -The 2026 environment will give Ossoff better odds than currently understood of surviving a Kemp candidacy -Good luck to Kemp getting through a primary lol
Nobody has been yes on cloture and no on passage yet. That game died a while ago.
Or that whatever uncomfortable position you’re sitting in when your team makes a huge play in the playoffs is where you’re stuck until they screw something big up.
*are noes
And in Virginia, a much less blue state, but Kaine and Warner and noes
I get that a shutdown is painful. But: -I don’t buy that Republicans want it - otherwise why did they whip so hard for this CR? -If a bill which abdicates Congressional authority and guts the DC budget is better than a shutdown, what bill is worse? And if no bill is worse, we have already lost.
That’s not why the Democratic Party changed. The Democratic Party changed because northern liberals became dependent on black voters and their white allies to win elections, and their demands drove the segregationists from the party.
I think he wished on a monkey’s paw to have the power to unite his caucus
My impression is that the “shutdown gives Musk the power to fire more federal workers” thing is a severe misreading of the law at hand
Huh? Is this the cloture vote? I could have sworn he did. I’ll take down if I was wrong about cloture.
I called Markey and Warren to thank them for being no and to demand that they remove Schumer if he doesn’t walk this back. I then called Schumer to inform him that I had done this.
They’re both on the left wing of the caucus tbh Don’t really know where this idea of Pelosi as a moderate came from - *Moulton* with the knife out for Schumer is the remarkable thing (although Moulton always has his knives ready tbh)
I called Markey and Warren to thank them for being no and to demand that they remove Schumer if he doesn’t walk this back. I then called Schumer to inform him that I had done this.
The courts stayed open during the 2019 shutdown which lasted for over a month.
It would have been better to argue that the Republican CR was a lesser evil than a shutdown from the beginning. Instead he hung vulnerable Representatives and Senators out to dry, blindsiding even House leadership. He has failed catastrophically.
The heck he “made the right call”. He stabbed his caucus in the back after they stuck their necks out for him. He’s signing off on a literal fake budget - one that only passed the House because of promises to wingnuts that it wouldn’t actually be obeyed. He needs to resign.
He’s no more in command of a following than Schumer is at this point, even if he’s more ambitious
Every country in the world has a history soaked in blood. We’re “exceptionally bad” only in the means that were available to the previous generations in this country.
Newsom just fired himself tbh
Embrace Starlord Thought
The goal is to get a big case to SCOTUS to force Trump to either back down or break the Andrew Jackson threshold, at which point the politics change considerably.
Stasis allows the impoundment to continue to be challenged in court without any of those cuts being formally implemented, while avoiding the abdications of Congressional authority found in the amendments Also we’re getting a shutdown if the GOP CR fails because the House is adjourned lol
The House generally backs its own. Most House Democrats supported Joe Kennedy’s primary of Ed Markey, which would have been unthinkable for a Senate Democrat. Of course, AOC’s ideology adds a twist, and the anger is remarkable regardless
Wasn’t there an anti terror bill that Obama vetoed because it violated some treaty, but the veto override got the vote of literally every Senator other than Harry Reid? Feel like Schumer might have miscalculated just as badly on a much more salient issue.
Is Hawaii particularly screwed by a shutdown? People feared Virginia and Maryland might cave but they held strong.
What’s worse, since I live in MA, my nana and my MIL-to-be could be victimized anyways: the “cuts” may very well be en masse refusals of payments to blue states and districts. I don’t think Richard Neal or Katherine Clark care to beg for mercy from Elon.
…of people are in the streets trying to keep elections from being stolen in 2026 or 2028, I very much doubt there’s a pain free path out (other than perhaps Trump eating one cheeseburger too many and Vance failing so catastrophically that the cult fails to hold).
My nana is on Medicare, my mother-in-law-to-be is on Medicaid. I know we’re headed for some major pain if there’s a shutdown. But I think we’re headed for a crisis regardless. Whether it’s a shutdown in 2027 when Dems control the House, or the government screeching to a halt because millions…
Eh, let them blow it up. The biggest threats to democracy are from Trump unilateral actions anyways. And if we survive, that leaves the path clear in 2029.
A number of the suggested yeas are either confirmed retirees or old enough that they could easily end up retiring.
No, that was Gillibrand. Schumer was 2022.
The Democratic Party never changes. That’s why they support the abolition of national infrastructure programs and the Federal Reserve, a minimum of taxation, strict protection of states’ rights, and rigid enforcement of the fugitive slave act, right?
If they wanted a shutdown, they wouldn’t have rammed a CR through the House. Resign, old man.
There’s conspiracy theories floating about that Jeffries planned this, wanting to make House Dems look good without risking a shutdown. But if that were the case, he’d have come up with some mumbo jumbo about the good of the party and country instead of knifing Schumer.
I support blocking the CR. I think it's the better move. I am not at all confident of that. Reasonable people can disagree. I am confident that a leader shouldn't come out supporting it *after* a majority of his caucus declared against it.
Which means they’re basically nonexistent among electeds
left/accommodate in the broader political sphere are leftists who said voting didn’t matter in 2024, there won’t be elections in the future anyway, etc. and more or less define themselves in opposition to the party.
My main disagreements with AOC are on *cough* foreign policy But let’s fix our own country before we argue about a long running war between *cough* two other countries
Or seven but Rand Paul still doesn’t flip
Huh?! Bro I was saying you were right I was asking you to give me crow so I could eat crow
Are you in the business of preparing crow, so that I may eat one?
Menendez was a progressive renowned for his denunciation of immoral immigration laws! Of course, he also took bribe money from a foreign tyrant, in the form of literal gold bars like it was the Gilded Age.
Why did that not happen in 1967? Was revisionist Zionism not yet commonly accepted?
But so would a dirty CR! This was the whole point of the clean CR - to let the court cases play out.
I’m deeply disappointed in Schumer. But I think he’s catastrophically misread not only his party, but his caucus. I don’t know if he survives as leader through the rest of his term.
At least this one’s in a state with a D governor so she can call a quick special election instead of putting it off like DeSantis
That’s a strong assertion with no proof. Things could easily go the other way, getting even worse for Republicans - like literally every shutdown in history prior to this point, including the one when Trump was President.
That’s a strong assertion with no proof. Things could easily go the other way, getting even worse for Republicans - like literally every shutdown in history prior to this point, including the one when Trump was President.
If you like! But the Democratic Party has (justly) repudiated nearly everything Andrew Jackson stood for except his suspicion of banks, and yet we can’t shake the donkey
It is impossible to build a new major political party with our election laws. The minor parties are all grifts or cults. The road to power runs through taking control of one of the existing parties, and the success of this methodology has been demonstrated repeatedly.
This seems alarmist. Offices don’t take clear positions without approval.
Not that you were wrong about hate speech, but note that no hate speech laws were necessary to effect this.
There’s utility to a short term clean CR even if Trump continues illegal impoundment - the court cases against those actions can continue, rather than being dismissed as moot because the funding is no longer provided for. These won’t take four years to move through the legal system.
…its split rate because assessment updates were infrequent enough that years of appreciation showed up in the bill all at once and gave speculators a chance to falsely blame the split rate, and Allentown repealed its pure LVT because the other taxing entities didn’t have it so it caused confusion.
Poorly argued. Britain might not, but in the US we already tax land value. We just need to abolish the tax on building value and raise the land value tax to recoup the lost revenue. The failures of the split rate in PA have been, not administrative, but political - Pittsburgh repealed…
The only good argument for a clean CR in my opinion is that it extends funding long enough for the courts to move against impoundment rather than getting the cases dismissed as moot.
The trouble is, what language can control Musk? Trump won over House holdouts by promising not to obey the language of the bill they passed!
Sheesh, when will the delta and Appalachia be done emptying out?
I’m not convinced the “Dems are secretly caving” thing was ever true. Dems pretty much never lose budget battles.
I’m not convinced the “Dems are secretly caving” thing was ever true. Dems pretty much never lose budget battles.
Not sure what it says about Churchill that he liked Stalin *better* than socialism, and got along with Stalin best when he thought of him as a typical Czar with strange domestic policies
Funny to think that, thirty years prior when they were in their primes, Roosevelt and Churchill were in charge of their navies, while Stalin was a bank robber
I tried the stupid trade! You are a globalist man. This vexes me.
I’m not sure he was ever taught the notion that 100% is typically a limit to begin with
I’ve gotten haircuts at the same place since I was three. The barbers still make fun of the fits I would pitch as a little kid sometimes. My college was close enough that I never had to find a barber there. I went to Supercuts once recently and they botched it. No idea what I’ll do when I move.
Can’t. Samus is a girl, and that’s DEI.
Can’t. Samus is a girl, and that’s DEI.
We are majorly a net debtor nation, though, right?
Paul will most likely be a no for both bills. He and Massie want an end to all deficit spending.
Maybe it’s a foreign exchange problem. Tatooine isn’t in the Republic - giving Watto credits is like giving a random African tribesman a note from the first Bank of the United States.
Doesn’t this not apply with faster-than-light travel in an apparently Newtonian (or even Aristotelian) universe? There’s no hint of time dilation in Star Wars.
Broke: deep system analysis Woke: a wicked and adulterous generation