Jeffries chosen by old establishment and is watered down version of them - worst of both worlds. He's tentative about him because of his allegiance to big donors and old power. Can't break this with our current two-party system. Need AOC and Bernie and others to take over the Green Party.
Must combine it with a pledge to use any power won to pass national anti-gerrymandering law. Need to have a goal, not just to maintain the System's status quo. The System is broken.
I enjoy gloating over Trump's abysmal poll numbers as much as anyone. However, we need to focus on the damage he will do in another 3 1/2 years, even if dems take House and/or Senate in 2026. Poll numbers won't affect the mess we will have to fix in 2029.
Need a central collection/cataloging of these complaints, with public promise that next dem pres. will have DOJ investigate and prosecute ICE agents' criminal conduct and support civil rights cases against these abuses in every possible way, including discovery prior to the filing of complaints.
Two things. First, I'm hoping she has a lawsuit filed within hours. Certainly tortious. Probably criminal. Second, how could any of the other dems sign that agreement? Sometimes I just don't understand how dems think. The moral imperative of their delay of redistricting was just diluted.
Rachel great on two of three. 1) showing protests; 2) starting to focus on Trump's attacks on upcoming elections. The last thing I'd like to see is conversion of protest energy to specific organizing - i.e. atty groups by state, voter assistance by state, collecting video of ICE crimes, more.
Even major wins against Trump will not stop him. Trump/admin just keep doing whatever they want. They have ignored the courts so far, and any loss (think Kilmar Abrego Garcia) is manipulated for retribution. Can't rely on courts. Can't rely on dem leadership. AOC. Maybe Bernie and Warren.
Real, urgent question. How do we get more people to show up and protest and get involved? I feel like I mostly see older people (a lot retired), and more women than men. I know it takes time and effort and energy. But we need to try to save our country, our democracy. Ideas?
This is fundamental. Major focus. Women must lead the government, but we need men to change the government. Energy of young men (YM) mandatory. Active and aggressive. YM chase desire. Identify desire? After desire attaches, then education through service.
we need somebody to announce that, if a dem is ever elected prez, every act of violence and every use of force by ICE will be reviewed, and ICE agents will be subject to prosecution by DOJ if they have violated any criminal laws.
They WANT violent incidents, which will help the main objective - preventing a free election. Military and ICE presence is being developed for possible raids and deployment around election day. Can't have illegal immigrants voting. Good place to look for brown skin? Lines at polls.
I appreciate your voice. I hope that you are thinking about how the CDC can be reborn after Trump (assuming an after). We are 1/8 the way through this. We will need a serious plan.
A Corporation is a fiction. It is a vehicle for doing business, created by law. It is not a person. Did Bill of Rights signatories believe Hudson's Bay Company or Plymouth Company were persons? In 1776, "All men are created equal" was not just philosophy. It was the old in-out in-out.
Exactly. I would go further. Our (so-called) democracy is destroyed beyond repair. Remember we are 1/8 of our journey through Trump's term. Two action items. We need a real plan to establish a real democracy. Also need to dump anxiety about whether California redistricting is right.
I don't buy this. Young (white) men struggle because they have been corrupted with a sense of entitlement. The only cure for this is a true liberal education combined with actually doing something for others. Real heartbreak can sometimes open the door. Porn and sports betting keep it closed.
Of course you are right, but could you take it one step further. Major/multinational corporations are antithetical to democracy. They will consistently act to disrupt, subvert and eliminate democracy. Someone needs to put it together as say it publicly.
Finally read Legacy of Ashes. Main topic aside, it made me understand that corporations are fundamentally anti-democracy organizations. Stephanie Ruhle. i like you but your are peddling Kellyanne level alternative facts when wondering why corporations aren't critical of Trump econ policies.
They probably met up when they were throwing dildos at a wnba game.
AOC is one of a very small group (2 or 3) of democratic leaders. I know she is busy providing government support and government services to her constituents, but I'm glad to see her speaking about national issues. Too bad none of the msnbc talking heads have the courage to get her on their shows.
I will have to re-watch Lena Horne movies for the editing. Thank you.
Birds of Prey of a feather.
What to do? Voting rights are more important than the cost of eggs, but we've gotten very short-sighted. Dems should make a 2025 Contract with America, advocating extreme gerrymanders to take over government in order to ban extreme gerrymanders. Require nonpartisan redistricting commissions.
All arms exports to Israel should be halted. All.
If this is accurate, then it's a serious lesson in the art of messaging.
Watched a Roe v. Wade memory. Remember how we thought it would galvanize a political movement? FBI purging reliable worker bees, hiring J6 criminals. ICE with huge budget for secret police, hiring J6 criminals. Political investigations ramping up. We're frogs lounging in ever-warming water.
O'Brien's appearance was a betrayal of all unions, including the teamsters. The lack of union reaction at the time, at least as generally reported, was disappointing. Sanders did the right thing.
I didn't believe it so i googled. Is there any hope for us? Really?
yes. without the dedication - i call it the 2025 Contract with America - dems will be seen as taking hypocritical half measures.
never happen. instead of watching for signs of trump defiance, we should watch for signs of further trump appeasement.
This is the secret police. A private army. DHS will hire the criminals who tried to overthrow the government on J6. Quick Quiz: All the J6 defendants and convicts were pardoned. Do you think those criminals/hires will follow their oath to the constitution or will they follow donald trump?
Article in NYT about Cuomo meeting with business leaders and trying to cut side deals with them and Adams. Cuomo and Adams can claim they are independents, but it isn't true. In terms of our political system, they are democrats, and their scheming is why the dem party is as worthless as the GOP.
I heard someone say on television (msnbc?) that trump administration had already enacted 40% of project 2025. while that can't be accurate for total completion, i can imagine the possibility of at least initial action. Anyone have any idea if this is accurate? Incredible organization if so.
This is true. Progressives are natural allies of farmers. Of blue collar workers. But the "moderate" dems from those states don't invite AOC home for dinner. Until that happens, we're not going anywhere.
Agree, but something on the redistricting. Without a commitment by dems to immediately pass legislation (when in control of anything) to ban gerrymandering in national elections, then it is all just an escalation to nowhere.
Gatherings are key. But what are you going to do when you get there, bitch about the Washington Post or brainstorm solutions? Sorry if my voice is not important enough for you.
I'm calling for a 2025 Contract With America. Every democratic lawmaker, candidate, governor and other officeholders pledge to extreme gerrymandering, and also pledge that, once elected, they will vote immediately (if take house/senate) to ban gerrymandering in every way possible.
Rachel finally said the first part tonight. We no longer have a democracy. Now to the next thing: Trump using all means available to subvert future elections. Solutions? And third. After another 3 1/2 years of this, what are the steps to remake the government. It will be beyond fixing.
Time for a new Contract With America. Every dem senator, rep, and candidate, together with every dem gov and state legislator and candidate, needs to agree to gerrymander every blue state AND promise that, when elected, will vote immediately and consistently to undo gerrymandering nationally.
a longshot. we're too concerned we might spill some tea in the harbor.
Character in academia is extinct. Academia has turned into a business, and we see all around us how business, through focus on profits and executive compensation, is completely corrupt.
the way things are going, the golden ballroom will be a soup kitchen in a few years. Real problem is that many of these heinous acts can't be overturned. We need a Project 2029, detailed, of how to resurrect democracy, because our current imperfect democracy will be dead by 2029.
Schumer needs to retire.
The real problems are lack of imagination and laziness. We can't imagine how rotten government will be in 4 years, and how weak America will be. We need focus on a plan to completely rebuild government so it works for people and keeps us safe. This is a big deal. Epstein is momentary diversion.
I appreciate the self satisfaction I get from Trump's Epstein chaos. Politically weakens him. But it is essentially meaningless for the real problem. There is no political force, short of impeachment, that can stop his destruction of our government. Epstein. Think the worst. So what.
We are not going to see a new democracy grow from the wreckage unless the voters are engaged and educated. Consider a typical campaign speech. 45 to 60 minutes of invective. How about two or three 5 minute segments of detailed instruction, and then 30 to 45 minutes of the usual slop.
This sounds like a bot. I'm thinking it must be sarcasm, but I'm worried that it isn't.
I'm a big AOC fan. I rank her as the #1 democrat whose message will be received. Reception may be + or -, but it is received. The oligarchy thing was a great start. I'd suggest rethinking Ross Perot. Voters need educated. I wish Harris had taken a Ross Perot approach to tariffs.
I suggest you don't engage emotionally with mtg. Humor. Humor. She's a joke.
Project 2029. I'm assuming we keep the current Constitution, flawed as it is, and try to prove it is a living and evolving document. Trump has shown the power of the Executive Branch. We"ve learned the power of the Legislative by its abdication by Repubs. We've seen the limits of the Judiciary.
Plans can be mocked, but are necessary. We need a Project 2029. Will be somewhat palatable because 1) there was a Project 2025; and 2) things are going to get bad for people and there will be interest in making things better.
Trump's destruction can't be stopped. Maybe the necessary evil we needed to demolish a political system that was compromised from the start. The destruction can't be fixed by patching it up. Democracy needs to be reestablished. I'm calling the 2028 election The Third Founding. Opportunity.
Sorry you have to be a lightning rod. That's how it is. Country needs you. By the way, we need positive vision for resurrection of democracy after Trump destruction. Will get mocked like Green New Deal, but a lot of people will listen because things are going to get bad.
would you start ranting about Congress' power to expand the House of Reps. That should be in top 10 bullet points of Project 2029. Another is expanding Supreme Court. If not discussed, no chance at all. Get it talked about and there might be a slim chance.
the focus is wrong. nobody is going to stop trump from taking any particular action. need to focus on the plan for rebuilding a more democratic gov from the ashes. positive focus on the new. a lot of people will eventually listen because things are going to get worse.
This will become the "secret police." All that new money to hire people pardoned for the January 6th insurrection. The ICE/Department of Homeland Security needs to be monitored and publicized. States need to do all possible to make masked agents unlawful.
Agreed. Everyone needs to feel like a winner sometimes, but maybe we can grade the quality of win. Real win is favorite dinner: dem house, senate and prez; 2 of 3: warmed up leftovers; 1 of 3: three day old cold pizza. All are food. You get to eat. But you know the difference.
That's constitutional. Congress can and should establish more congressional districts. Whatever the smallest number of voters in a congressional district (think Wyoming), that should be the cap for any district. Congress can do that.
And a public promise - on pain of resignation - that the first law passed (and sent to Trump if we can get the Senate) is a federal law outlawing gerrymandering and requiring all states to use independent non-partisan commissions to redraw voting maps for the 2028 elections.
Good for you to start outlining the complete revamp of CDC. Need it as part of Project 2029. We'll need a similar plan for every executive agency. Don't be afraid if the first step is to fire every employee appointed or hired during the Trump years.
All true. AOC tells the truth. Important, but not enough. We need to start building the detailed long-term plan for change. Trump will completely destroy our terribly imperfect government in his four years. We need a Project 2029 to build a real democracy. We need to start real planning.
New metaphor. It's all-inclusive. FIXER UPPER. Trump is "demo day." He's destroying the existing rot so it can be rebuilt/reborn. In real life, demo day is a week or two, and the rebuild is 6 to 9 months. Extrapolate for Trump's 4 years. We need our Project 2029. Not campaigning as usual.
Got covid. First time. I'm old and, while active, have been thoughtful about it. But I got careless while traveling. Very little info available. Doc agreed. Still a thing for us 75+ people. Takes me back, but I've sort of felt like 2020 since the election anyway.
Need to think for a minute about this file. Years of investigation and a prior fed investigation and a state case. How big is the file? 30 banker boxes? Forty? More? GJ testimony a fraction. 1/5? There's a lot of stuff that could be released that is about the abusers, not the victims.
Can you imagine the things/exhibits/records in a trump presidential library? The whole thing would be a joke. It wouldn’t age well.
Perfect graphic for separating how individual dems legislate. AOC (and several other "progressives") is What Voters Want. Hakeem Jeffries mostly Dem Agenda. Schumer (and a lot of dem senators) lives between Big Donors and Dem Agenda.
We need more reporting on this, and specific generics manufactured through specific brands. Need to be able to identify possible side effects to help prevent mistaken diagnoses or failed diagnoses of subsequent problems.
Remember the MAGA base gets its news from Fox and even more biased sources. Those sources ignored or minimized reporting about Trump's history of sex abuse and his association with Epstein. Trump figured MAGA would just move on like always, but MAGA didn't/doesn't understand the Trump's conflict.
AOC needs more TV face time. She speaks directly about issues that actually impact lives in immediate and noticeable ways. She is and does everything the supposed democratic leaders say they want, but it feels like they exclude her.
Everyone will suck all energy available. There's a CNN story on how China is far outpacing US and the world in wind and solar production. I think it's the thing we really need to understand. www.cnn.com/2025/07/16/c...
How can anyone still think that Trump cares about anything other than his own enrichment, whether directly getting more money personally or indirectly currying favor with others. Either giving or taking bribes.
and an adjudicated sexual abuser/rapist.
Decisions made by people with no experience of lack of any material kind. Unfortunately they lack empathy or any awareness of or interest in the lives of people they don't socialize/interact with. They don't know what they don't know.
Hire a lip reader to see what you can see on those Epstein/Trump videos. You have spent years mocking "conspiracy" theorists, so it's now hard to acknowledge obvious connections and clear circumstantial evidence that's morally repugnant and politically inflamatory.
Every CEO and company doing business with this government now is compelled to take the "ostrich" approach, as every administration action seeks to undermine democracy and establish dominion over individuals.
Problem with bi-partisan committees is they are never evenly split and there has to be a chairperson. Our system would work if Senators felt a primary obligation to the entire country (they used to) rather than their party leader.
Or those politicians/servants of the super rich who collect money from the super rich and avoid the consequences of their legislation. Democracy undone by gerrymandering and dark money.
Long ago forgotten by many. But I have a feeling we will all be relearning this truth as we live through the next 1290 days of the second Trump term.
Nope. It is going to be awful for so many personally. Elections have consequences. I was focusing on the macro, not the micro. We have 1290 more days of the Trump administration. The destruction will not be able to be undone. We'll have to rebuild. Need to think about it.
We are not dealing with much. We are dealing with one thing: The loss of our democracy. We have one task, to figure out how to rebuild a better and more democratic government beginning on 1/20/2029. Two obstacles. First is another 1291 days of Trump. Second is dems lack of will and focus.
First Project 2029 judicial task: pack the court. This assumes dems win the trifecta.
This ruling is a blessing. Using it will be the first step in reorganizing government on 1/20/2029, assuming a democratic president. Trump isn't going to stop regardless of court rulings. We need a progressive project 2029 to remake our democracy. Get to work.
Time to get a new focus. Assume dem prez, senate and house on 1/20/2029. What is the plan to rebuild the government? 1. Fire all Trump hires and appointees; 2. Need major income source immediately. Taxes? 3. Project 2025 like plan for reinventing every part of executive branch. Get to work.
We need to start talking about what to do if/when dems control prez, senate and house 1/20/2029. Can't do anything until then. Need to get people familiar with what it will take to fix. 1. immediately remove and replace all Trump puppets; 2. will need a lot of money; 3. need specific plans.
Yes. We need more democracy. For that we need more political parties. Musk is a terrible destructive force, like Trump, but a new political party is a good thing for democracy. In taking it back, we need to remember our history of limiting democracy and avoid the same mistakes.
I heard a phrase today that was new to me. It isn't new, but just new to me. The Second Founding. It refers to the potential for democracy that was possible due to changes to the constitution after the civil war. I'm choosing to think of November 2028 as the possibility for The Third Founding.
Empathy needs just a little time for reflection. Our collective lifestyle - wanting more and doing more and needing more and having more for ourselves - makes empathy a detriment. Undermining education accelerates its loss.
He was just a very timid bureaucrat. Federal prosecutors are extremely cautious and then he became a nice, traditional old white guy judge who is basically a decent person. Was not temperamentally equipped for the job.
How important is 2026 win for dems? Senate? Schumer lacks guts to block EVERY Trump nominee, so what's the point. House? Investigations will fail worse than first Trump term. All delayed medicare/budget cuts will go into effect, and dems will get some blame. Can dems gain from a win?
Politicians who talk about holding Trump accountable are wasting everyone's time and wasting our opportunity to establish a more perfect union. Their intentions may be good, but they might as well feed their egos by yelling "LOOK AT ME!, LOOK AT ME1"
Trump will never be held ACCOUNTABLE for his corruption and lawlessness. Why? Biden/Garland's age, trust in a failed system, lack of imagination, and basic decency. Forget accountability. The task is to win 2028 trifecta and establish the first real democracy in America.
Absolutely. But what are we going to do about it. Current media format only allows for complaints, not solutions. Solution. Media hosts need to specialize. Climate. Vaccines/public health. Education. 10 minutes every night. In depth. Identify problem for fix. Forget complaining.
Dems have one real influencer and they seem afraid of her power. Dems had one voice in the DNC brave enough to look at how to revitalize the party, and they dumped him. Dems have several older guys who seem to want more power: Schiff - 65 yoa. Raskin - 62 yoa. They seem young but aren't.
New thought for me. My obsession (and fellow progressives?) with holding Trump ACCOUNTABLE is just my ego. A waste of time. A distraction. We need to get to work. What dems did to David Hogg is the real problem. We need a solution for our two-party prison.
Trump and team are not facing questions. They're not going to face questions. Imagine dems win both House and Senate in 2026. Trump admin stonewalled Congress in his first term. It will be much better at it this time. Need to forget about accountability and reimagine our two-party prison.
no executive branch agency is or will be nonpartisan during the remaining 7/8ths of Trump's term. i expect executive branch agencies will become actively and aggressively partisan, following the example of the Justice Department.
Too much truth can be a distraction. Trump has changed things. Media failing. Can't cover it all individually. Solution: Each msnbc host picks one topic and specializes. Each show gets 10 minutes in depth, every show. The other 35 minutes can repeat everything everyone else said all day.
I see lots of blame to Biden. Nonsense. Blame our corrupt two-party prison, run by the oligarchs who are beginning to emerge from the shadows. All dems need to embrace "progressives." If not, progressives need to take over the Green Party and start fundamental change of our system.
We are 1/8 the way through, and damage will be cumulative. Assume dems take House and Senate in 2026. It won't stop the destruction. Won't even slow Trump. Time to start imagining an alternative to our two-party prison. AOC is part of solution. Dems need to support real change.
Truth-Biden economy so strong that Trump is having better luck destroying our democracy than destroying Biden economy. But he'll get there. We are only 1/8 through Trump's second term. Think of what he has accomplished. And we have 7 times more to come.
All vaccination/public health programs threatened. We need someone - like Cuomo during covid but NOT Cuomo - to report daily public health news, updates and such. Would be great if just one msnbc anchor would devote 10 minutes a day to public health, but trump takes all their attention.