My record on Palestine speaks for itself. I’m proud of it. One of the strongest in Congress. I throw down for pro-Palestine candidates. Largely unrecognized work. That’s fine. Disagreements are fine, too. But if you want to toss all that for 1 half assed MTG stunt, be my guest. I know where I stand.
Victim card typical acting like 500 million to israel means nothing
Agree. Critics and supporters of Palestinian liberation should be more discerning, more focused and able to deal with distraction. Is MTG a leader for Palestine or for a ceasefire in Gaza? I don't think so. Calling that bill an MTG stunt is true.
Remember that time when you got on stage and lied for Kamala. The same stage on which she flat out refused to allow even one Palestinian to speak. That's on record, too. Time to be what those of us who believe in you need you to be.
Childish as fuck.
You're a worthless shitlib. Stop pretending you give a damn about Palestine.
Another block-fest. 🤷🏻♂️
It certainly helps cleanse the feed of bots, tankies, and crazies.
Right? This round of cleansing should make browsing good for at least a couple of weeks.
What does israel have or export that allows other nations to ignore genocide? And it’s been happening for about a 100 years. A foothold for america in the middle east? Fuck israel and every nation that supports this atrocity. america Is the county that holds wmd’s.
We know also & it’s definitely not for the good of our country! Mtg is just one of the convicted felon’s bimbo Barbies.
AIPAC has done everything in its power for decades to move this country to the right. I'm not sure there is any good argument to EVER give them what they want.
You 100% supported a zionist regime, YOU ARE COMPLICIT IN PEDOPHILIA AND GENOCIDE!!
Look at this loony shit. You people are straight up rabid.
A lot of them are bots working to create schisms in the Left/Democrats.
Not nearly as many as you think. AOC fucked up big time and the left (like myself) will not tolerate it. Side note. The left cannot stand Dems. For shit just like this. It’s all pretty easy stuff.
You're the bot
Calling people bots because they disagree with you is crazy work. Its just real leftists with actual morals, unlike AOC lmao
I blocked all the crazy bots in these replies -- it helps clean up my feed
Helps the blood pressure, too.
Definitely
Yeah that makes sense but it’s mostly bot farms putting likes
The democrats are not the Left
We are behind YOU! Btown, VT!
It was all fun and games for the people of Gaza on Oct. 7. They cheered wildly in the streets as the bodies of dead innocent people were exhibited. The support for HAMAS went to 70% after the attack. Then Bibi got real.
Stick to the boat stuff
Lmfao HasbaraSky is crazy work
AOC, please describe how MTGs amendment was a stunt that you were navigating. I think describing your logic and being transparent would do a lot more for your image than being defensive. The fact that you’re hand waving and posting your voting record on a different bill is… concerning.
AOC is for with supporting the Iron Dome. Protecting Israel. She'll loose a 1/3 of her base with this support. But, does it matter? We'll see.
AOC flat out said she voted nay because she supports the iron dome yesterday. Blaming MTG is gaslighting.
The iron dome should be dismantled piece by piece.
why would we ever believe anything spoken by the person who thrust "jewish space lasers" into the lexicon
Why would you believe someone who says she supports an military embargo against Israel and then votes to give them $500 million in military funding
how is voting against something voting for it
if i vote against a bill that bans kicking puppies, i just voted for kicking puppies. does this help you understand
1] the vote people are responding to was an amendment, not the bill 2] for which she delivered a statement explaining her vote, which was more nuanced than the criticism portrays it to be, and most importantly 3] she voted against the whole bill sounds like she doesn't want to fund israel to me
don't take my word for it, here's the roll for the bill: clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025212
The statement is the problem lol
you know what's funny is that Ilhan Omar, Summer Lee, Rashida Tlaib and Al Green seemed to understand what was needed in the moment. I imagine that people are disheartened by seeing AOC turn her back on progressives in what appears to be a cynical attempt to ingratiate herself with DNC moderates
it sounds like you are disheartened by her vote, which is your right. i didn't view it exactly the same way, which is mine. i am comfortable respectfully disagreeing with you on the matter.
You did a lot of mental gymnastics to get here
false
So, she voted to make sure that if the bill passed it included funding for Israel's Iron Dome defense that enables them to indiscriminately attack others without fearing consequences. Sounds like a bad call. There's a reason the rest of the squad voted differently.
yeah for a group of people who seemed to have *very recently* learned the concept of virtue signaling these Libs are having a hard time identifying the concept when AOC does it
The right wingers get confused easily.
Did the bill also mandate kicking kittens?
To use your analogy, imagine there is a bill that promotes animal abuse, and someone proposes an amendment that only bans the abuse of puppies. Instead of just supporting a ban on puppy abuse, she voted against the entire bill promoting any animal abuse. Does this help you understand?
This is such false equivalency. While Netanyahu’s administration is purely evil, there are millions of innocent Israeli citizens who still deserve protection. No serious person would argue that the best way to save innocents in Palestine is to let innocents in Israel be bombed.
Innocents? In Israel? The place where people who want free land at the expense of human lives go to? I’m sorry, are they physically restrained from leaving? No? Then they aren’t innocent.
Jesus fucking Christ
Imagine a similar scenario where out ally nations vote to see US cities undefended because of atrocities commitment by Trump’s administration. Your innocent friends bombed for Trump’s actions despite their own objections to his policies- is that likely to solve the problem, or further escalate?
AoC has been firmly and consistently on the right side of this issue. MTG’s amendment was just political theatre in service to her Russian patrons who would love to see Israel undefended and vulnerable. Iran is one of Russia’s closest allies. Russia excels at manipulating/buying foreign politicians.
It was Ilhan Omar’s amendment
I would also like to see Israel underfunded and vulnerable, because they are conducting a genocide and I would like it to stop - because I am not an inhuman monster
The Netanyahu regime in Israel is conducting the genocide, not the Israeli civilian/child populations that would be bombed. Trump’s regime is committing racially targeted atrocities here, not the US civilian population that largely oppose him. Adults must be able to differentiate between those.
Maybe if they didn’t have $500,000,000 of our money to build and maintain the most sophisticated self-defense system in the history of the world, as well as tacit protection from the worlds only military hegemon, they would stop murdering innocent children in like 8 other countries
Like they’d have to at least consider not murdering innocent Arabs and stealing their land if it turned out there might be consequences right?
So no one should have fought against Germany in WWII because some of the Germans might not have agreed with everything their Nazi government did? Interesting stance
These people are just as genocidal as Netanyahu.
You must be talking about the people who keep electing him
Maybe Israel shouldn't do a genocide and should stop attacking its neighbors if they want to protect their citizens.
Because you can literally read the text of the amendment yourself.
Either they’re incredibly gullible or they want more dead Israeli civilians. Or both.
Now do non-Israeli people
I also don’t want them to die.
Seriously. This is just shallow drama-mongering.
Throw down? Really?
You will always be a threat to the current GOP Congress as you are a force to be reckoned with. YOU ARE FORMIDABLE. MTG doesn’t have the ability to do much BUT point fingers. It’s her ONLY weapon as she HAS to hide her deficits. YOU SHINE AOC. WE ARE ALL BEHOND YOU, FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
If you piss off this many ignorant crazies, you must have done something right. Bravo and keep up the fight, @aoc.bsky.social 👍👍
MTG played the left and they swallowed the bait whole
MTG should’ve been drowned out by a deluge of democrats who take the mantle from her. The democrats failed, and now AOC is getting outflanked by a fucking antisemite. You all wouldn’t know political instincts even if they lived your fucking ear
Coming to Bluesky to whine that your supposed base is rightly dragging you for your vote is so cringe and laughable. People are finally catching on that you’re a fraud.
LMAO WTF are you smoking!?
You came to bluesky after 5 month to whine in her replies, you are both cringe & a fraud.
She's a politician you boot licker
Oh okay, so, who are you backing for change?
I misread your thing There isn't anyone in Congress right now that I back they're all insects that need to be with fumigated 🤷🏻♂️
100% but I'm not for politicians who blatantly lied to us and then tell us to it accept their lie especially when they're helping a genocide FOR FREE aipack ain't even paying her and she's making their days easier for no reason
Hamas is quite happy to hold its hostages while those that should be its people starve Netanyahu is happy to let Hamas survive while Palestinians die and he can claim to be Israel's last hope Talking of Gaza without these facts is working for them
I can already tell somebody pushed your soft spot in when you were a kid you don't even need to join the conversation if you still somehow think this is true after Biden lied to our faces "Decapitated babies"
Oh, you are one of those "Oct. 7 did not happen". Sorry, I watched the live feed from the Gaza "journalists". You are entitled to your own opinion not to your own set of facts. See at the voice: Trump for what that means
October 7th did happen but October 6th happened as well and every day before that for the past 80 years
Ok. So, you are one of the "Israel should not exist" crowd, or "Palestinians have rights that we never mention for Silesian and Sudetan Germans, istrian Italians, jews expelled from all Muslim countries, Muslims and Hindus displaced at Partition, Pied Noirs, etc." crowd. No two-states solution
I disagree. I think the left attacking itself, especially in the US, is what helps things stay the way they are. We are arguing over nuances about how to do the right thing when the other side isn't even in the conversation.
If a politician goes out of its way to tell me that they are for human rights and are a good person and then turns around and helps a genocide for free I'm going to call them out on that You are describing maga politicians need to be called out
I think you should just accept the reality of the political system and that purity testing just destroys our side.
I'm not expecting a purity test I'm just expecting you'd be against genocide It's not that hard buddy you're defending blue maga ideology
I'm really not, I'm not even American so my only concern is that of a global citizen hoping for general progression to the left, as opposed to the current disturbingly fast descent into fascism. So, if AOC is failing your tests, what do you think about Bernie?
Weird brand on glasses in Pic.
Go ahead and defend this shill in favor of bombing starving children
No, she is correct and you are getting played like a fiddle by a pro fascist politician.
She is correct for opposing *stopping* funding the genocidal entity? Y'all really live genocide as long as it's Palestinians getting killed, huh?
She never opposed that in the first place and that you believe it means that you fell for the easy ploy set by Marjorie Taylor Greene.
She opposed stopping funding Israel. She hasn't proposed her own alternative that's "clean" She's repeatedly voted along with Dems to fund Israel.
She opposed stopping funding defensive measure for civilians. Not the same thing.
So those bombs being dropped on children's hospitals are "defensive" to you you now, huh? 🤔🤔🤔
"So those bombs being dropped on children's hospitals are "defensive"" This has never been my argument and nothing in what MTG proposed in her amendment actually put a stop to that. You are falling for an easy political ploy.
The funding being stopped was for everything, including offensive weaponry. Why are you okay with Israel killing children as long as they claim it was "defensive"?
Sending Nazi Germany 500 million in weapons to protect civilians
Can you please point me how the proposition by MTG would have have protected people in Gaza?
Why did AOC vote against the bill in the end if it's protecting civilians?
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“I oppose your genocide but will defend you against retaliation for carrying it out.”
Do you think it is okay to permit civilians of a genocidal government to be hurt when it can be prevented?
Again, should we have provided the Nazis with anti aircraft guns to defend against allied bombings because civilians died in them?
Still ignoring the "when it can be prevented?" of my question. therefore, your comparison doesn't apply.
She had the ability to introduce her own bill to defund Israel’s offensive capabilities. She hasn’t. She is the definition of ‘progressive except Palestine’.
"She had the ability to introduce her own bill" She sponsored bill to boycot Israel, actually. you are just falling for a ploy made by a fascist.
Blue maga is out in full force today, it seems. Nothing about what you said made my argument incorrect. And hey, if the one and only Palestinian representative voted for MTG’s bill - it’s good enough for me.
How is anything I said "Blue Maga"?
As if the iron dome doesn’t enable the genocide by keeping Israel free from consequences and also allowing it to spend the money it would’ve spent on the dome on more bombs. This is like defending giving the Nazis AA guns because you don’t like civilian deaths from allied strategic bombing.
"As if the iron dome doesn’t enable the genocide by keeping Israel free from consequences" Do you think civilians should pay the price of their genocidal government if it can be avoided?
No Israeli who hasn't served in the IDF should be punished. Every single IDF soldier and reservist should be.
Service is mandatory in Israel and you know it.
The Iron Dome allows Israel to commit genocide and bomb its neighbors without any threat of retaliation. Threat of retaliation would make them less likely to do those things. There's no such thing as purely defensive weapons
"The Iron Dome allows Israel to commit genocide" No, I am pretty sure it's the bombs they use against Palestinians and the blocking of humanitarian aid.
The Iron Dome prevents any military response to their bombs and blocking of humanitarian aid. They'd be much less likely to commit genocide without the Iron Dome
The Iron dome isn't what block the humanitarian aid.
Horseshoe theory in real time.
Yeah they are absolutely dumb as fuck being played by a far right braindead fool.
The projection is crazy, because you're literally blind to her actions lmao
Do you mean Trump or Netanyahu 🤔??
In this case, Marjorie Taylor Greene. Nothing she proposed actually resulted in diminishing the offensive capacity of Israel.
I really don’t care about MTG, but I am against sending any more weapons to country committing genocide and a leader using war to keep in power!!
What MTG proposed wasn't going to diminish Israel's offensive capacity in any way. This is pure posturing, don't fall for it.
Nothing for Israel 🇮🇱!!
Do you think civilians should still suffer for the genocidal actions of the government of Israel if it can be avoided?
Try this on for size: “I don’t support the Holocaust but we should still fund Nazi Germany’s defense.”
Do you think it is okay to let civilian of a genocidal government be hurt and killed when it can be prevented?
She got outflanked by the space lasers woman in the easiest test imaginable.
Actually, YOU failed the easiest test imaginable, seeing you went to support a proposition that does nothing to protect people from Gaza as well as the fascist who made it.
Seriously!? 😂😂😂
Melody you're wrong and ill informed. Why don't you run for something.
You're record on Palestine is an embarrassment, and you've done nothing but use that cause as a crutch for your own personal gain. You're an embarrassment and a complete shill.
It’s your. You’re is short for “you are“. I also disagree with you. It was a stupid mendment from MTG on a bill EVERYONE voted no on. The amendment made no difference and was likely just a trap from MTG. Maybe reconsider your purity tests when literal fascists have taken over your country 🤷♂️
Oh no, the grammar police is here. Everyone voted no? Must feel nice living in a fantasy. Fanboying over a politician is crazy work. You people are worse than some of the worst fandoms.
Fuck yea sister
Let’s say that’s true. Why should we fund Israel’s iron dome while they provide socialized healthcare for their citizens yet the US supposedly can’t afford to do so?
This is not one but two issues you hold close to your heart. I feel like an answer would be the least you can do here.
Did she vote to fund the iron dome?
Multiple times yes
I looked up the most recent bill that sends 500 million to Israel and she voted against it. But not sure about the past. I always thought she was strong on this since she called Israel an apartheid state and spoke out on genocide clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025212
AOC, fellow New Yorker here. You just can’t do miracles and do every-fucking-thing right I guess. So be it. I would like to see the individual that can do and then see them go so hard for real in the fascist’s face. You’re a NYer, we were made for this shit. Keep punching.
She did this right.
It’s one thing to make a mistake. It’s another thing to try and gaslight everyone to deflect from said mistake.
Muting the fucking tankie
You already said that Nazi
Announcing it is so fucking funny
That's not what gaslighting is. She said, "this is why I voted the way I did.". Gaslighting would be insisting she didn't vote that way, or that the bill did something different. You don't agree with her vote or rationale, that's fine. But she's not manipulating you, she's defending her position.
Uh no, try again. She literally tried to say that people were upset about her vote on the bill when they’re actually upset about how she voted on the amendment. That IS gaslighting.
"Marjorie Taylor Greene’s amendment does nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza. Of course I voted against it."
Again that’s why it’s gaslighting. She’s trying to distract from the truth: The amendment DID remove $500k of defense aid to Israel. Giving a genocidal nation ANY amount of money will always be used for offense AND even if it wasn’t, will open up funds to be used in their genocide. T
I have long stated that I do not believe that adding to the death count of innocent victims to this war is constructive to its end. That is a simple and clear difference of opinion that has long been established. " -AOC, on xitrer
Not sending them money for the iron dome would not cause that and if anyone retaliates due to the aggression THEY started that’s on them. Why does she care more about the genocidal nation than their victims? That’s why it’s gaslighting.
She clearly explains her reasoning, that cutting defensive aid to Israel does nothing to curtail sending them offensive weaponry that is actually being used to bomb Palestinians, and only makes Israel less defended against rocket ttacks from Hamas and other proxies, which DO happen.
Newsflash: SUPPORTING ISRAEL IS NOT A PROGRESSIVE VALUE. I DO NOT WANT MY TAX DOLLARS TO CONTINUE TO KILL BABIES. SHE VOTED TO CONTINUE THAT. POINT. BLANK. SHE. IS. A. TURNCOAT.
Damn yeah it’s really fair we pour millions into defending Israel while they’re committing genocide and we don’t give the same defensive capabilities to the folks they’re commiting genocide against.
I'm not even saying I agree or support it. But she's pushing heavily for cutting sending BOMBS to Israel while not supporting cutting SHIELDS to Israel. Yes, Israel is led by genocidal authoritarians right now. Yes, the whole situation is fucked. Could we probably wash our hands of the whole?
You cannot say you’re against their genocide and for the victims while finding the very reason they’re able to commit their genocide without retaliation or impact. Point blank. Suggesting otherwise is gaslighting.
Israel only needs shields due to their own aggression. They caused right is with the Nakba and all of the bloodshed they’ve caused since. We are DONE. DUDE the is money they get for defense the mess they have for offense use your brain
Yeah. But that's not where she's at, she acknowledges that's her reasoning, and voted as best she could, while obviously making a difficult choice. As it turns out geopolitics is not an easy or simple game.
Dawg. She explicitly acknowledges that line of reasoning and disagrees. That's not gaslighting, that's disagreement. You can think she's wrong, in fact, she invites you to, and also calls attention to her record supporting Palestine to suggest she has an educated and experienced opinion.
More gaslighting. She voted yes on hr 888, present on H.R. 5323 and nay on H.Amdt. 55. That “line of reasoning” isn’t a disagreement it IS gaslighting because she acts like she supports Palestinians while voting against their interest. No. Absolutely not.
You've definitely been 'working tirelessly' on something!
Ya dun fukd up own that shit and apologise
Religion never sat well with me, something to do with an abby normal brain or something, but there are some good lines in the bible, and one of my favorites is, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." There sure seem to be a lot of sinless people on bsky.
Or bots. Maybe bots.
Yeah, probably quite a few.
Yea yea. And Hitler built the Autobahn. The Bible sucks balls. Read Demon Haunted World for inspiration.
Not sure what to do with comparing a good person trying to do good things for you, me, and everyone else to hitler. I couldn't discredit you more than you just did if I tried. What a wild time.
Maybe I missed some of the context of your message. It did show up in my atheist feed and not a political one.
My criticism is of the Bible being useful because it has a smattering of low grade wisdom. That's what I compared to Nazi regime building roads when so much of their actions were despicable. I don't know what person you think I was comparing.
This is a thread of bots and self-sabotaging randos attacking AOC. I didn't say the bible was useful in any general sense, I said there were some good quotes in there. If you're just here to be anti-bible, then we are simply wasting each other's time.
Fine. I guess we are.
This was one of my favorite interactions this year. It's been a strange year.
are you proud of lying about working tirelessly on ceasefire for a year while a genocide was happening. You aren’t even paid by aipac like jeffries and booker, you do this for the love of the game which is somehow way sleazier.
Glad she is exposing the closet magats!
you literally have npc dialogue, don’t talk to me.
You can't HANDLE the truth! Go be somebody!
And YOU are funny too! Grow a brain! Typical maga tactic. Someone objects to your agenda is the enemy! Typical. The sad thing... I have family and friends JUST like that. They turn purple when I try to talk to them!
you have 2 dialogue options and both are tiresome. go pull your string and make words at someone who gives a shit what you think.
I know. But good for you that you think you won! lol.
its not a winning or losing thing you moron. people are dying. children are starving to death and you are sitting in your insulated imperial core bubble tut tutting people about decorum and norms. you are the modern good german.
C'mon! is that really necessary?
You are an absolute joke WHY DID YOU DO THIS FAKE & BOUGHT Imagine voting to give ISRAHELL more fcking money ISRAHELL are committing the worst atrocities seen in our lifetime & you want to give them more 🤬🤬 Then write about how you’re so down for Palestine REPREHENSIBLE XXXX
MTG is a piece of shit.
She sure is. But so are people who vote for supporting the defense of a terrorist state committing genocide. Hmm, maybe our current elected leaders just aren’t doing their fucking jobs?
Welcome to the flood zone of extreme left and right politics. Doesn’t work for most who live amidst it.
Yep, opposing the murder of 20k children is "extreme left"
It’s not. It’s human to do so. But slamming AOC for her vote while refusing to listen to her reasoning might be.
I'm slamming her consistent, unwavering support for those who made over 100 weapons shipments to a rogue terrorist state commiting genocide. These crimes unfolded in front of your very eyes. Thousands of children bombed, shot, burned alive. Blue MAGA said, "when does early voting start?"
Ah yes, wanting to stop people (including children and new born babies) to stop dying is very far left, indeed. Some of you guys really need to hear yourselves cuz you sound like braindead lunatics.
Not what I’ve said, not my point. Pounce on.
If you haven't noticed your peers calling for more Israeli civilians (including children and new born babies) to die for what Netanyahu is doing, you need to pay better attention.
I’ve noticed and it’s not okay. Netanyahu is doing vast and lasting harm with his actions. Our Congress isn’t helping- in large part due to our country’s extreme polarization and its subsequent failure to support humane efforts.
More people need to stand for Palestine, esp in Congress. What the Israeli govt is doing to the Palestinians is cruel and inhumane. Whenever people try to complain or protest, they're accused of antisemitism, which IMO is wrong. Anti-israel is not the same as antisemitism. The world should do more.
I love and support you, AOC! (And fuck that ignorant white trash bitch.) #SorryNotSorry
#AOCforPresident2028 👏👏💯💯♥️♥️♥️♥️
Concerned why Israel, headed by a corrupt motherfucker, receives BILLIONS from the US every fucking year.
Before 1967 economic aid was needed. Churches even took up collections to send to humanitarian aid to Israel, by the mid 60's needed military aid for defense started & 💣Then that 55 year occupation started and I couldn't w/ that. They haven't needed economic aid for like 30 years or so. Enough.
Israel has free medical care and free education for its citizens. Financed by American taxpayers who either don’t have insurance or pay out the nose for mediocre coverage. Not to even mention all the murders Israel commits that American taxpayers finance..
Which is infuriating. And the Republicans and Democrats are complicit. I vote Blue. But no Democrat from Congress has been truly transparent about this.
Biden got $11M from AIPAC while Harris got $5.5M from them. Follow the money.
What is your point? I didn't ask how. I registered a concern. Netanyahoo is a corrupt motherfucker.
we need a federal tax strike
Because it's a client state of the American Empire.
Or, vise versa.
Yooooo where you at lol. Crafting another deceitful statement about you non-support of Palestine?
Ooooof
One simple way to come clean is for you to denounce the genocide on Palestine today. Like this: "I denounce Israel for perpetrating genocide on Palestinians." That's it. Otherwise, forget 2028.
She has
No she hasn't.
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www.instagram.com/p/C_GfCoNuxM9/
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZdr...
She literally has. I swear the people commenting on this post have the memory of gerbils.
Show us.
www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/202... thehill.com/homenews/hou...
Thank you I stand corrected. I missed that but that was 16 months ago, well before the party willingly lost to Trump rather than stop funding it. And she and anyone else thinking about a run better take a public stand real soon.
Or what? You’ll stay home and let trump win again? Like what is the better alternative that you have available.
No I'd vote for the scary socialist that i know can't win again. That's an alternative. Or keep voting for more of same if you like. Dems will never change except keep moving further right. Go for it.
You got a whiff of power and were given a choice, conform to party dictate, or go back to bartending. The Democratic party, like their colleagues, is the party of endless war and genocide. Case closed.
Stfu, have no idea how governments work this isn’t fucking pick up football or jump rope on the playground things aren’t that fucking easy. Things are nuanced, I know it’s difficult for you to understand, but that’s why I said shut the fuck ,folks without a child mentality will work it out
Congratulations Elmer. You win most nonsensical yet deranged post of the entire thread thus far. And there's nothing nuanced about genocide. It's moral depravity.
In fact, I don’t even think you’re a real fucking person you would have forgotten to breathe and suffocated for being so fucking stupid. No picture of yourself. Just a bunch of BS posts, definitely paid for by GOPedo’s
Lol at how triggered and dumb you are to believe I'm not "real" because I don't post pictures of myself and justly criticize a politician for ignoring our role in genociding Palestine.
What you could do instead of shit posting is get your ass over there and feed those children. Help them out of the situation anyway you can instead you spending your time shit posting, and poorly at that
You have no skin in the game therefore nothing you post can be taken serious. Even your language is maga
Yeah, you’re definitely A petulant maga posting fake AI shit to get your pebbles off
Wow you figured out that was fake. How'd you do that?
Does Jill Stein pay you in rubles or is that just Maga?
That's original.
The fact you think she’s a pro genocide says everything about you. Thanks for voting for Trump, maga fuck
She's never once publicly condemned Israel for genociding Palestine. She's a fraud talking out both sides her mouth. GFY and keep voting genocide no matter who, turdmunch.
You MAGA always gonna MAGA, congrats
Nah it was a good post.
She wasn’t only a bartender. That’s a lie. She worked for startups owned by wealthy Israelis, something she omitted from her biography.
Agreed
You want recognition for "throwing down" for Palestinian candidates? How about proving you stand with ALL Palestinians by unequivocally denouncing Israel's genocide on Palestine by saying so right now. Introduce a bill doing same while defending it 💯? We're watching. Prove your really different.
Defunding the iron dome would cause Israel to escalate. Israel has the ability to completely destroy Gaza within days to weeks even if completely cut off by US funding.
“Defensive” weapons are still weapons AOC. We won’t forget this moment. youtu.be/wvW91j7ebpw?...
Yes we wanted it tossed in with a MTG stunt. If we can’t not give Israel 500 million, then we have no chance at any legislation aimed at anything bigger.
Stunt or not, that bill was a test to see if Congress can do anything about disciplining Israel and you failed.
You fight the good fight, you are making a difference, it just takes a while, you’ll see 😊👍🏻
1. If it was just a stunt what was the harm in voting for it? 2. We aren’t tossing anything - you’re the one who wants to be a Senator, or whatever - you’re tossing US!!!!!
Dear AOC - since you have extra time off, how about a couple of those shadow cabinet hearings that you had at the beginning of the term…broadcast to America. You can talk about Epstein and call out the sex trafficker in the White House, ICE kidnappings, death camps on American soil…
And tell us, specifically, what actionable efforts to STOP the spread of fascism and END the regime- here. In the U.S.
No one is going to be lectured to on fighting nazis by nazi asset commies and anarchies who lick toilets Bye
Without communists you’d be speaking German right now
Nice hat, Egghead.
@miq.moe
if there was ever a post/pic combo that tool was made for
Fuckin nailed it 🎯
This dude looks like the origin of the r/atheism copypasta
Well, I'm a sad clown so I can't judge
I can't either I did a cringe le atheism flying spaghetti monster joke for the bit
I'm a psychedelic clown, so I don't know that anyone cares if I judge.
Do it Donkadoo honk honk
Clown solidarity! ✊️
Dawg he is crashing out 😭
Strokes out a bit at the end there champ
Anarchists and Communists, those well known assets of Nazis en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_...
you.... you know nazis *killed* communists, right? they made a point of that, actually. -M
Cry more nazi enabler
Hey stupid hat which side was Russia on in WWII
I mean, both depending on when exactly you're talking. And don't get me wrong I'm grateful for anyone who ended Nazi Germany, but Stalin was even better at killing communists than he was at killing Nazis.
Wrong!
Poland will be glad to hear that!
dont tell anyone about which side the people in the Munich Agreement were on :)
Certainly not Czechoslovakia's side.
Hey did you know that double genocide theory is a form of holocaust denial promoted by nazis??
You'll have to explain that one because I didn't say anything about the Holocaust or even the actions of the Nazis. Nor did I mention a genocide, actually, much less two of them.
Hmm i wonder what you meant by Stalin being better at killing communists than nazis??
Are you suggesting that Stalin did not kill a fuckton of people who identified a communists, or are you suggesting that all mass political murder is genocide? Because both of those things are false. Also, nitpick: I didn't say Stalin was *better* at killing communists, he just had longer to do it.
Famously pro Nazi Soviet Russia, true and real don't look it up pls
Nazi asset commies is a wild thing to say
Smart people know where you stand as well! We are with you!
We do too. I wouldn’t trust anything that came from MTG. She reminds me of Hitlers version of a muppet. Apologies to the muppet fans.
Please vote NO for any further assistance to Israel. US $$$ must not support genocide.
She did
she voted to enable funding the defensive capabilities of a genocidal ethnostate
She explained that MTGs bill would not save any Palestinian lives
O I’m pretty sure Israel would second guess more than a few instances of escalation if they knew that the risk of effective retaliation was high. She basically voted no contest to funding the defensive capabilities of a Nazi Germany
Give Israel money and they don't care what you want them to spend it on, they will spend it on whatever they like and neither Dems nor Repubs want to do anything at all about the billions of dollars we give them annually.
Agreed , which is why any progressive with a bare minimum of knowledge regarding the history and politics of Israel would never approve money for them. It actually makes what AOC did even worse because I am sure she does possess above that bare minimum and was fine w funding Israel anyway.
Yeah I've been trying to get us to stop funding Israel for 30 years and until now I didn't think even a penny would ever stop. It's just too ingrained in not just politicians but regular Americans feel that it's our responsibility to protect them and that's why Israel doesn't what it wants. 🤷♂️
yeah she explained wrong because she supports israel. The defensive weapons the US gives israel directly enable them to engage in more warmongering and genocide.
She lied . Voting against the amendment was voting to give a school shooter a vest so they can keep shooting
You guys are missing the point MTG'S amendment allows genocide funding to Israel.
My NY girl. This older NY girl loves your fight, and your clear vision. Never stop being you.
MAGA has found a weakness, and they are exploiting it. Dividing the left in this black-and-white, conflict tourist fictive message that’s so far been pretty effective. Don’t take the fucking bait. The enemy of my enemy is my friend until the disease that is the MAGA mind virus is eradicated.
We could all learn a little something from "The art of war."
No kidding. Our strategy appears to be infighting, hand wringing or protecting status-quo. We need to find our feet and fight back, not fight each other.
I agree. I sometimes wonder if we should just do away with parties altogether. Republicans have lost their minds and have done a faorly good job of sullying Democrat's reputation in the minds of many and politicizing literally everything.
The joke is that Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer both are gonna do fuckall. Until the party changes, fuck em. Love AOC and the work she does, i dont have to agree with her on everything. The lesser evil voting needs to stop, stop supporting candidates just because they arent nazis. Real low bar.
I agree that we have an absolute failure of leadership in the Dem party - but I will always vote straight ticket Dem - because the alternative is an authoritarian dystopia. If I get the opportunity to vote for a primary challenger for status quo dems, I’m here for it. Until then, all dem, all day.
Well, its not what anyone wants to hear, but thats what happened in 2016 and 2024. Theres no world where any half decent candidate or semicompetant campaign should be losing races to the candidates the gop is rolling out.
100%. To the degree that I have a hard time discerning between establishment dems and ‘moderate’ GOP candidates. The GOP keeps pushing America to the right and demanding we meet in the middle, and @schumer.senate.gov and the like have been happy to oblige. They are trash.
And yet, they are. Voter suppression, in fighting, the first past the post system. It's all being exploited by the GOP who have a serious advantage of having particularly stupid followers. The only weak point they have may be the Epstein files. That's Trump's only Achilles heel with his base.
It is the Democratic way - the very first #50501Protest I was stopped by a reporter and asked what the issue was we were protesting for. I told him, we are Democrats, look at all those people, they are all here for different reasons. Unity on one issue for Democrats is like hearding cats.
It’s frustrating. Now more than ever we need to set aside what divides us and work together to try to slow this horrific timeline we’re in. Unfortunately there are so many of us in our insular leftist social clubs that one wrong word and you’re labeled a ‘shit-lib’, and your ideas discounted.
We understand the extremely difficult job you have. You have our full support against the facist Trump regime.
I’m sorry some are lying about your vote. Misinfo aside though, the amendment vote is still indicative of values. Not saying you should be tossed as an ally, but you voted in a way that doesn’t align with the values of many pro-Palestine voices. People were going to be upset.
Amazing how people think a complex issue is so simple. No question that Israel's actions in Gaza are now genocidal but if you have a way for one US congresswoman to stop them speak up. Meanwhile Hamas continues to shelter among civilians and continues to hold hostages. There's plenty of blame
How is this inhumane treatment of innocent Palestinians destroying Hamas? Yes, Hamas is culpable for heinous acts on 7 October against innocent people in Israel. Also, Hamas is responsible for the carnage in Gaza. We are beyond blame. Where is the compassion for the innocent and most vulnerable?
come on now
Ain't reading all that. You are complicit in a genocide. Doesn't matter where you stand. Be it 50 feet away from against a genocide, or 50 miles away from against it, you are still complicit in a genocide.
If you pay federal income tax you're complicit in it. A small fraction. But hands aren't clean.
You're implying we choose where our taxes go like some kind of democracy Which we don't and are not
You are conflating duties and rights. Paying taxes is a duty. I have the constitutional right to disagree with how the tax money is being used. I don't have an option of not paying taxes and not going to jail. It's not a matter of complicity. AOC had the option of voting no and not going to jail.
You do have a red line you're not wiling to cross it sounds like. You could defer federal taxes for many many years with only added interest and fines as a result. How far would you will be willing to go?
Yeah sorry for not being empathetic enough but do I prefer not risking the possibilities of going to jail for some legal offense I don't want to commit.
Now that is a point that can not be refuted.
Oh good, I'm glad we agree that choices are binary, justifications don't matter, and you can't shirk accountability for the consequences of your choice. *spins chair around like a youth pastor* let's talk about protest votes in 2024.
Not all choices are binary. A lot of them are. IIRC, imo, putting the additional "supporting genocide or not" agenda side, 2024 election was about "do you support women rights" by Dems and "do you identify as white" by GOP. White women made their choices.
So I'll give you that that white people sent Trump into his Kremlin. White women is mentioned here because white men would be indifferent with whatever campaigns both parties ran.
150 million Americans joined the Dem/Rep mass child murder coalition. Some of us did not.
Yep you're just part of the 89% of whites who couldn't stand to vote for a Black woman.
How'd she get elected to the US Senate with only 11% of the white vote?
Sorry your majesty 😂😂😅😅😅
You made a bad call and took some heat for it. You're not so new to politics as to justify being this shook over a basic reality of your extremely easy job. Just move on.
this. people are so quick to jump on the leftist hate train for this but like... this is a genocide we're talking about and I don't want anyone getting more missiles! people acting like criticizing bad moves is the equivalent of crucifixion!
People in this very thread are calling her pro-genocide and a dozen other bullshit names. Don’t downplay this. If you think this is normal criticism over a disagreement like this then you’re part of the problem.
This vote doesn’t impact anyone getting missiles. You should probably know that before you comment about it
the decision before AOC was to immediately remove defensive capacity from a highly populated area in a war zone, a decision which would immediately risk the lives of everyone in Israel, including those who do not support the genocide. "[entire people] are genocidal" is itself a genocidal logic.
The decision was whether or not to tell Israel to fund their own defense, something they're perfectly capable of doing.
I am glad she made you cry
Also unfollowed and muted
Bye!
You do know that Nazis approve of the methods the Israeli government are doing right now. We know this because Nazis have actively approved of the methods the Israeli government is doing right now. Howl to the moon, delusional weirdo.
Get help.
She voted to fund the Nazi's. And you are defending that decision. How's the moon looking?
This aint an airport, you don't gotta announce your departure.
Oh I do Every nazi asset should know we know who they are for the tribunals with their nazi allies Bye
Who are you saying is a nazi asset and why
You can't act this way while wearing that hat and making that face.
A vote that failed anyways, so all we have is seeing who at least TRIED to stop the genocide. And who didn’t
if they dont want to get attacked they should consider not fucking bombing and genociding their neighbors. The iron dome directly enables their warmongering. Will people die if the iron dome doesn't get missiles? Maybe. But way more people are dying RIGHT NOW because of what israel is doing
Exactly. We should have paid to arm Germany's defense in 1944.
Different moral consideration because we had no pre-existing agreement where we funded Germany's defense. Iron Dome is like 15 years old. AOC didn't invent it. It's an extant commitment, and removing it *when doing so will cost lives* is a choice to facilitate death directly.
Telling Israel they can fund it themselves since they can't stop committing atrocities is not, in fact, "removing it" or costing any lives whatsoever.
Wow, 15 years old. That's ancient.
"Pre-existing agreement?" You think you're funding a genocide because you have some contract on paper that makes you do it? Dear lord. You also have a law which prevents you from weaponizing war crimes, but you don't obey that. This is the worst liberal excuse I've seen yet.
Defending Israelis is not the same as killing Palestinians. I also wish our governments were more agile and responsive, but fact is AOC did not have an opportunity to stop offensive weaponry from going to Israel. Sure you can narrativize it like govt is a person and not a tangle of rules. Not so.
"Defending Israelis" You're defending a country committing genocide and war against half a dozen other countries at the moment, and protecting it from any and all resistance to its bombing and starvation campaigns. Did you ever think you'd one day follow your faves into defending a genocide?
Just to be clear: Your argument is that America that had America had a prior commitment to arm Germany. They would have had a moral obligation to fund the Nazi regime? (Let's ignore that IBM was at least partially responsible for the Holocaust.)
Why is it that Israel can afford to fund a genocide against Palestine while also attacking most of the other countries around them, but they can't afford to fund their own defense?
IDFK -- what i know is that we are currently supporting a shield that exists and has quite recently saved lives, and the decision to stop doing that is a decision to let those people die. Would I give a shield to a genocidal government? No. Would I take it from their civilians? No.
If the U.S. stops paying for Israel's defense, why do you believe that it just won't get paid for? Why wouldn't Israel reallocate resources from the genocide of Palestine to their own defense? Why is it never an option for Israel to stop murdering people?
Rot in hell when you get there.
There’s that word being misused again… the g word. I’ve always been on the left and over the past couple of years ashamed of people (like you) who are so brainwashed by radical Islamist propaganda. I’m for peace AND for ending Hamas.
Umm, who to believe. Genocide experts that have spent their lives teaching and writing books about genocide like Amos Goldberg and Omer Bartov or you? Islamist propaganda can't compare to Israeli propaganda. 40 Beheaded babies? Babies put in ovens? Hamas is hiding in every building in Gaza?
They lost track of all the people they killed with our weapons/money because they destroyed hospitals, records archives, and anything else that makes a location livable. Those people can't leave. They are also being deliberately starved. Proposing radical Islam did this is bigoted when it's zionists
Stfu bigot
Bigot? A truly ignorant response. Here’s one backatcha. GFY shidiot.
Oh lord are you asking chatgpt to write this shit
Nah, I abhor AI. You might benefit tho, shidiot.
Embarassing, even for a bigot.
One day your kids and grandkids will educate you on your moral failing on this issue.
More missiles?
we have to not make it a crucifixion. To quote a further upvoted comment, "Fuck anyone who ever supported her"? Lol there are some trolls who will *happily* take advantage of any bad call, any mistake to try and silence someone they do not like. It's super easy to disguise prejudice as "concern"
She's being criticized on the internet and, in some cases, being insulted or maligned beyond the scope of criticism. That's not a crucifixion. Get a grip.
This is definitely the comment of someone who actually cares about the people of gaza and not winning internet points. I was using the term of the comment I was responding too, nothing more.
You can make things up about me and then get mad at those things if that's what you need to feel better about all this, I guess.
I guess you're right, I definitely assumed you cared about the people of gaza, and was not so kindly attempting to remind you that they are the people that matter. But if this conversation is more important to you, that's cool I guess.
While I'm sure those people are flattered that you've finally found them convenient to pretend to care about when used as a cudgel against internet strangers, you appear to still just be making things up to yell at me about.
You're right, I should stop assuming you care about the people of gaza. My bad. You win the argument, congratulations. And the people of gaza are free now! Amazing, your efforts here definitely fixed it all :D how nice for you
It appears that, for the third time in a row, you've just made up a bunch of stuff and gotten mad at it instead of engaging with my post. Has that been productive for you in helping others?
Five months ago (the only other time that Gaza ever came up for this user): “Supporting the genocide is BAD and compliance that led to this was BAD.” Now: “Guess you just want INTERNET POINTS because you say supporting a genocide is BAD and compliance that continues to support it is BAD.”
Did they just start mattering to you recently?
People being hyperbolic on the internet?? Shocked. Flabbergasted. Appalled.
She voted no.
I am well aware, but thank you for the useless comment!
Happy to remind people when they're wrong. ☺️
You didn't do that, though.
Yes I did, though.
Whoops! You've purposefully lied again instead of engaging with my post.
Whoops you fell for an internet meme and still don't realize it. Leftists are literally no better than Maga.
Which internet meme did I fall for?
The one where they told you she voted no to end funding to Israel to bomb Gaza. That wasn't in the bill. The bill only referred to ending defensive funding, pertaining to Iran, nothing about offensive funding for their genocide. You really thought MTG was riding for Palestine? Come on.
The person you are replying to is a troll.
Leftist are no better than MAGA. #GFY
she voted no to stopping funds going to israel
That's what voting no means.
do you like, not understand why people are mad at her we wanted her to vote YES to not funding israel's genocidal war machine. instead she voted NO. that's bad.
Do YOU really think MTG is pro Palestine? Do you not see this was to cause this exact type of destruction on the left? Memes aren't facts. Do better.
are you? you seem real concerned about people who have healthcare and rights
This keeps happening over and over, Republicans set up an obvious trap, that either way Dems vote they can be attacked, and people supposedly on the Left go and do what they planned. They will even say “they shouldn’t have fell for the trap” missing the whole either way is a trap part
That's not what happened at all.
It might not have happened here (I haven’t looked into it enough) but it’s happened at least twice lately, and then there was the bill the Republicans passed by 1 vote on purpose (even though they had more that could have voted) so everyone said it passed because a Democrat had died.
You're attributing far more cunning strategy to the GOP than is deserved and far less blame to the feckless Dems than they've earned.
and AOC happily fell face first into it, voting to continue funding a genocide.
Someone didn't read the bill.
yeh AOC
it wasn't a bill it was an amendment, and the only thing it did was bar money for the iron dome. she could have voted yes on it then no on the bill. that's what the rest of the squad did.
She’s shockingly naive. Just read through her social media over the past few years. Remember her shock that Members pay people to stand in line? Or that DC apartments are expensive? All that aside, she’s real. She’s genuine. She’s well intentioned, which is more than I can say for her colleagues
what would you say is the rest of the squad's evil intention btw
"extremly easy job". it almost sounds like you're making her out to be the enemy. of all the bad eggs in congress and she's the one to go after?
Nope, that's something you made up in order to whine at me instead of engaging with what I said.
my point is that if the job is to carry out her duties to advance her political agenda, which is, based on her statements, a mostly enlightened view of how modern society should conduct itself, considering the entrenched forces against her, on her own, it's nearly an *impossible* job.
No, it's an extremely easy job. That isn't necessary a value statement about her, who I agree is among the best of Congress overall.
oh then let me switch the tables and play dumb for a second: i guess we've been fooled all along. she could have accomplished all her stated objectives in www.ocasiocortez.com/issues *extremely easily*... by just pressing the "terbo" button somewhere, but homegirl be too busy going to galas. right?
No, she just has an extremely easy job. Getting to go to fancy rich person galas is just one of many fringe benefits. I'm not sure why you're so upset about this, but you had to learn someday.
wow ok thanks for not seeing the greater good here and instead doing your best to mire the narrative with infighting among the left.
Whoops! You appear to have made up something about me and then got extremely upset because I stated the simple fact that "Congress person" is an easy job. Feel free to stop yapping at me if you're this concerned with infighting.
ok
Do you not see the irony about “infighting among the left” when you’re infighting with the left right now with an avatar of a dude screaming as if that somehow makes your point at all better in this scenario? May as well start throwing in “so much for the tolerant left” in your tirade at this point.
80 year olds fall asleep on the clock and still keep their positions, so, yeah. It's an easy job
oh look context abuse.
Took the page from your book
and here we are insulting eachother.
I'm insulting congress, idk what you do I'm not going to hold you to the standards of a public servant It would be rad if you did the same tho
but what about the untold hundreds of house reps that do far far worse in their votes and statements? why not go after them?
Why not go after all of them?
sure but maybe start with the ones that are doing measurable harm?
you guys need to decide if we're supposed to prefer dems "bc they can be persuaded" or not. every time we call them out you guys cry like babies
i want our opinions to do some good, not cause more infighting over what appears to be an entirely perfunctory decision point.
If that were true, you wouldn't have shared your dumb one with me.
it would do good if she listened to us, just as there'd be no infighting if she stopped handing money to Israel. your beef is with her not us.
lmao you think she's personally handling trillions of uncle sam's cash?
not sure if it's the figure of speech that's tripping you up or the simple fact that AOC keeps enthusiastically handing piles of uncle sam's cash to a genocidal fascist state, but i do think you should consult a brain doctor ASAP. good luck comrade!
not sure where you get the "enthusiasm" bit. she voted against a bill that blocked what appears to be entirely defensive funding for said genocidal fascist state.
The vote was 422-6. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
The vote totals have nothing to do with my post. Which you would know if you knew what you were talking about.
The vote turned out to be 500-4 in favor of Hitler. That's why it was okay to vote for Hitler and nobody can criticize that vote. I am very smart
Your patronizing tone is pretty gross. I went to your bio to maybe learn where you got the idea that you have the stature to take that tone, and I see nothing but a link to a Nazi website.
I'm sorry that my gentle criticism of a politician has moved you to tears.
Lmao his picture is from this-person-does-not-exist and he forgot to crop the URL from the photo
Amazing
I'll give you this much: of all the people who've ever noticed that I'm quite obviously using a fake photo, with the declaration left plainly visible on it, you are absolutely the first to claim that he's made a big discovery.
Why are you using a fake photo? Is it because you're a nonce?
This site is full of delightful and interesting people. It's also quite well-stocked with angry, ignorant assholes. So I choose to engage at arm's length, using neither my real name nor my real likeness. I honestly don't understand the outrage about a clearly labeled fake profile pic.
So you are a nonce, then
And, well, you're an example of why I like to remain pseudonymous. Thanks for the demonstration.
Also? The photo, while fake, is a fair representation. Friends would say "No, that's not him. But also, it basically is."
Buddy it's mockery not outrage lol
Relax. Go get a coffee. You're way too wound up about this.
Someone's worked up but it isn't them
Buddy I just think it's funny your photo is as fake as your umbrage at criticism of Blue Team politicians
I just think it's funny that you think you're Sherlock Holmes because you spotted a fake image that had FAKE IMAGE written on it.
we already all knew you were an idiot, so how was anyone to know you left the URL on their intentionally? after all, you're clearly intellectually inept. that's clear from your BlueMAGA politics.
Oops, on *there*. Typo on my part.
Here's some news: I also "forgot" to use my real name.
You could have gone with either Stim Pickens or H R Roughtradestuff and been more entertaining
Don't feel bad. You're good at being unintentionally funny, and that's something.
You're really not good at this lol Mockery of you isn't outrage, pointing out your dipshittery isn't me "acting like I'm Sherlock Holmes", and nothing you write is of any value or weight.
Hasbara is not sending its best...
"that's my emotional support genocidal politician 😭" make like a tree and grow UP!
Yeah. AOC messed up big time. Lost support on my end.
What about her job is easy? And also, people were flaming her left and right for it. You sound extremely extremely out of touch.
All of it. And receiving mild internet criticism for a bad decision is not a big deal.
MILD???????????
Yeah
Probably that she gets to go on a month long vacation right around now tbh
After a year of genuinely intense and hard work. She deserves.
None of these people do a solid day of intense and hard work, let alone a year. They don't deserve half the perks, pay, and vacations they get as is.
AOC is not at all an establishment democrat and nor does she half-ass her job like one. I genuinely question whether or not you are as politically informed as you claim to be. AOC rides hard for her district (and all of humanity quite frankly) and has done so for years. Please stop.
Whether or not she is establishment has nothing to do with how easy her extremely easy job is. I don't care what you think about how politically informed I am. I will not stop criticizing politicians when they do something wrong, and there is nothing you can do about it. Anything else?
I just don’t understand why you think being in congress is so easy.
You need to know that I'm not going to read the random blog post you've screenshotted. As for your statement, I'm sure there are a lot of simple concepts you just dont understand.
Okay well then you’re choosing not to logically engage in this argument, and so therefore I think you’re just rage-baiting and being another nonsensical individual on the internet.
I'll save you the trouble. First one says you can make it tough on yourself but you can also coast. Second one is AI generated slop.
Because she got elected like 6 years ago and has been relatively in a safe position to coast since then? Getting elected is hard. Her actual job right now is the easy part.
Why do you think politicans are your personal friends being criticized instead of people who are holding actual lives in their hand and have done things to upset those actual lives with their decisions?
I don’t think that politicians are my personal friends but they display such intense public vulnerability on a daily basis so people like you can go around and downplay all her work as a politician. And the original commenter acted like what AOC got was just light work when it wasn’t. It wasn’t IMO.
Compared to the average person AOC’s life is wonderful to be quite honest. It’s stressful maybe, but the actual day to day of what she’s doing is not that difficult
I think even AOC herself if spoken to in good faith would admit her life in the grand scheme is REALLY good
She also gets extended time off around holidays as well as extensive health insurance the likes of which you or I could never afford
Yeah she gets basic human decency. Y’all do realize that things like that are supposed to be basic fundamentals for most people, right? And to envy her for having them is SO stupid. And how dare you assume my socioeconomic position. You know nothing about me. We are two strangers chatting online.
What have you done for Gaza except post buzzwords and remain chronically online? Which is easier to do?
Any given chore or errand you or I do any any given is harder work than a member of Congress ever does. As for Gaza, I'm sure the people there appreciate goofs like you finally finding it convenient to care about them.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to maintain that perceived moral superiority.
Whoops! You've made something up and then shrieked at me about it instead of engaging with what I said.
Look at your initial response 😂 is that an invite to engage or just another smug comment? You're nothing better than a troll.
I know what my entirely correct initial response was. When you're done shrieking at me, you should read it again.
The projection is astounding, but not unexpected. There's another group gaining unprecedented power that does that a lot, too. I'm done here 👎
I'm sorry that you lost an internet argument to someone named Thembo, I understand how upsetting it is for you and accept your cowardly retreat.
I have better things to do than argue with an idealogue whose main accomplishment is fighting against other leftists.
Lol, you know there was literally slavery here, right?
So i can't speak for anyone else here but I'm from this species where the big rule is genocide is bad
Agreed, is there anything else you'd like to discuss?
yeah your definition of agree is strange
So you’ve served in Congress or just making up nonsense to denigrate someone’s job? We both know the answer.
It turns out that things which are public knowledge can be learned about. You may want to give it a try sometime!
Nuance is a tough concept, I understand.
I wish you luck in learning more about it and the great many other topics you're ignorant of.
More projection. Ignorance is bliss, and your pedestal remains intact. Good day!
When your tantrum is over I hope you spend an equal amount of time and energy trying to help people. Good day!
Lmao, I’m sorry your attempts to project every one of your failings (including engaging in projection) aren’t panning out the way you hoped
A wise man once said, "The second you accuse someone of projection, that means they're correct about you in every way."
This is the dumbest thing possible to say. Are you suggesting that there's no such thing as projection? Or that the act of pointing it out is the problem?
Some prominent right winger, I'm assuming
So you admit it’s far too hard for you. Got it
Exactly. This person is just another fucking troll. Her entire raison d'être is to parasitically latch on to somebody else and then drum up some mob of other dip shits. She’s never done anything and she never will.
their, they, they
the account's name is "thembo" i feel like this should be a tell
“This person” You bigots are never slick
Ah, yes. Those insufferable trolls with their demands of elected officials for redress of grievances...who told them they have a right to do that?!?!
Ah yes. And no one has made any claim to the contrary. You’ll have to address your fallacies and sarcastic strawmen at someone with the bandwidth for them.
You just dismissed her grievance as trolling, so clearly you were...and miss us with this condescension about not having bandwidth for people who call your bullshit out when you jump on a reply within minutes, you petulant snowflake.
Which of those words were "buzzwords," lol?
I don’t really know that much about government stuff but I don’t think Thembo was allowed to vote on the iron dome funding thing.
What have you done for Gaza except make one post criticizing someone about Gaza and remain so shoved up your own ass? Which is easier to do?
Every single time.
Your plan to do anything at all pales in comparison to my plan, doing absolutely fucking nothing and being smug about it!
Online activism does next to nothing. You attack one of the few politicians that actually share our views and is consistently standing for palestine. Y'all keep patting yourselves on the back though for the Palestinian flag in your bio and the keffiyeh you purchased on Etsy. Very noble.
This argument about online activism would work if A) Thembo or myself had a Palestinian flag in our bio B) The politician in question didn’t just vote to support the ongoing genocide against Palestine. C) Your currently doing your own online activism defending a democrat that made a mistake
voting to give more money to israel and uncritically supporting the people who kept sending money to israel and lied about "working ceaselessly for a ceasefire" is not a valid example of consistently standing up for palestine
she voted to keep sending money to israel to commit genocide
My keffiyeh came from Palestine, actually.
No, cloud hopper. What you do is absolutely nothing.
I’m sorry your cultists ass can’t handle seeing sane people don’t mindlessly worship politicians like you do
What have you done?
It’s not an easy job. Far from it.
It is an Extremely Easy job. Among the easiest imaginable.
You think winning an election is easy?
The campaign is hard, the job is extremely easy.
Campaigning is part of the job, from the moment one is sworn in.
Incorrect.
It is, though
No, it really isn't.
You're incorrect
Man, it’s sooooooo hard to mass text message people into giving me five dollars a month. Maybe if I say democracy is on the line again, they’ll give me ten dollars?
If it was a difficult job there probably wouldn't be so many 80 year olds doing it until they die of old age.
They don't even work a full half of the year.
That time is usually spent in their district, campaigning, and doing lots of other stuff.
I also do "lots of other stuff" when I'm not working. The difference is I work 5-6 days a week.
You can miss half the year from being in a nursing home suffering from dementia and still have your job. Shut the fuck up.
The threats she's been receiving are why she's this upset, I believe. I don't know who the threats are coming from, but she had stayed elsewhere that the threat level she's experiencing is higher due to this and people aren't even bothering to Google whether the vote accusation is true or not.
Okay?
She could have voted to not fund a genocide, but she's chosen not to do that, multiple times now. She's spinning, nothing more, nothing less, and libs keep falling for it.
I don't know enough about the vote itself to say anything on that, I was merely suggesting based on what I've seen that she has had a heightened threat situation and perhaps that is causing angry responses, as coming to terms with one's own mortality might cause.
When the revolutionary left brought genocidal Islamists into their ranks, hyped them up, put them in charge of a range of direct actions, and encouraged them to ignore many laws that world otherwise limit their conduct in some way, I don't know what they thought was going to happen.
Er, yeah, when that happened.
read Fanon or even Edward Said. your ignorance is not that funny.
read Israel's New Historians, Ilan Pappé, Avi Shlaim, Benny Morris. you don't understand what you're mad about so it's hard to take you seriously.
I too make up people to get mad at then piss myself over them... Oh wait... no I don't. I have a life
And like barely a life so... oof
a life full of struggle perhaps, but certainly still a life worth living. that guy, though? not worth living. not worth meeting, or knowing.
That's a thing you made up.
Are you a bot
No. Does that change anything for you?
Was hoping the human race would be better on average but at this point no not really
Well, along with not being a bot, I'm also not a part of the revolutionary left. By revolution, I mean a Marxist or Maoist or Leninist type of revolution. Those revolutionaries. So I think that's pretty good. You aren't a revolutionary, are you?
Wow you were so excited when you thought u were in the clear to be racist, huh?
Which race.
Well let's talk about what actually did happen: The genocidal Islamists built gundams and flew into space and fought a big jellfish alien and then discovered that the moon was an artificial satellite placed here by an ancient alien race to observe us and then and then and then, this is how you sound
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
Shut up racist
I don’t know either, I haven’t watched that TV show.
Anyone in the US that's even close to qualifying as a member of the 'revolutionary left' is too busy trying to stay fed and housed to be in charge of anything, let alone recruiting and doing hype campaigns
Man I can barely stand and I beg for money online lol
What the fuck are you talking about weirdo shit?
You need to get that checked out by a doctor
I’ve heard of inventing a guy just to get mad at, but inventing a whole conspiracy just to get mad at is next-level psychosis.
www.newsweek.com/how-understa... Yeah, I probably made it up. This guy got it from me.
-source is newsweek -using the term "illiberal" unironically lol
What's your preferred term? I assume you're illiberal too, but you prefer a different word.
Define ""Illiberal""
Any system, left or right, that sacrifices liberty, pluralism, or open discourse for ideological purity or authoritarian control. That would be you, and you're on the far left, so what's your preferred word for that?
No the fuck it is not me LMFAO
Go figure, the magazine dedicated to anticommunism and Islamophobia published an anticommunist, Islamophobic article. Must be a day than ends in Y.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.
Newsweek? Are you fucking kidding me? May as well have linked to Infowars or the Daily Stormer.
You don't like that one? How about this. socialistmiddleeast.com/a-fatal-mist...
Uh, no, Jan. Islamic Extremists aren't welcome for me just the same as Christian nationalists or Jewish nationalists aren't welcome. So. Don't make blanket statements on that. Religious extremism is the most dangerous thing in the world.
Do you have any history with the FRSO, or its youth wing, the New SDS? These are the organizations that have been pushing hyped up Muslims into leadership and organizing positions ever since October 7th.
Oh, you're just a bigot. See, why didn't you just say that at the start and save everyone some time?
I do appreciate the incorrect diagnosis, you confidently wrong idiot.
You can cry and call me names as long as you need to, but it'll never change the fact that I'm better informed than you. The only one who can change that is you, and we both know you won't.
Let's get back to the AOC thing. The threats were clearly responsive to a vote that was insufficiently resistance based, and those who did the thing don't seem to have any type of feminism that would otherwise prevent them from doing it. Who do you think that describes, O Informed One?
We've already talked about that throughout the course of your week long tantrum. Which is good, because your post here is largely incoherent.
Bigot is a "Diagnosis" now, interesting.
Yes. Yes it is.
Funny, I always thought it was a label to stick on to people who are being bigoted. You know, to describe their behavior. I didn't realize it was a medical term. The more you know I geuss
Hey real quick can you please let me know which page of the DSM-5 I can find this on?
What “Islamic extremists” are you talking about in the left and why are you even granting this racist asshole’s insane commentary?
Are you familiar with the Red-Green alliance? It goes back 50 years at least, and this is a fairly straightforward retread of an old strategy. FRSO is the most well organized group that's putting this alliance into practice. Check this out. One of the organizers. m.youtube.com/watch?v=q5mR...
Organizing an end to genocide is a good thing. Why do you love genocide so much?
I do not love genocide. I also don't love the red-green alliance. If you read or listen past the title, you'll understand that this person is an actual communist, she helped organize an encampment in Jacksonville via FRSO, and she comes from an Islamist background. Now channeled into revolution.
If you didn't know, Fight Back! Radio is the official podcast of FRSO. The link that I just handed you takes you to an in-depth conversation that's friendly, supportive, and very much an in-house conversation. These are FRSO people talking FRSO business.
That all sounds pretty amazing. Thank you for sharing her with me. I’ll now give to her cause and hope she is successful in her future endeavors. You realize this site is the way that it is because of communists, right?
Sure, maybe you'll name some of them. Do you realize that Zionism was a socialist project? More specifically, a Democratic Socialist project. And the socialist party that was primarily responsible for the creation of Israel controlled the Knesset for 20 years starting in 48. Comments?
Curious about your experience with FRSO in Florida. Feel free to DM me.
You're assuming something I didn't say - I did not say there were ANY Islamic Extremists in the left. I merely stated I personally do not accept any religious extremism regardless of what "religion" that is, in my circles. I will say where I stand on something whenever I choose to. K? Cool.
How often do you encounter Islamic extremism in your circles compared to Christian?
Because I know am around more Christian people Christian nationalism and extremism absolutely is a higher rate. There is no comparison. It's OKAY to say you're against religious extremism in all forms. It's not difficult. Focus.
I am focused. I’m focused on the Islamophobia that is rampant in the country and how the person above is trying to justify it. Muslim extremism is nowhere near the problem in America that Islamophobia is.
In your mind, does Islamophobia consist of any and all instances of negative statements or criticisms concerning the "race" of Islam? Is that the way that you've got it settled?
Shut. Up.
you should explain all of this in detail, with names, specific dates and actions and such, that would be interesting
Sure. I think it was April 29th of last year at Deering Meadow on the Northwestern campus. I checked out their Tentifada and was fortunate enough to sit in on their end of action meeting. I saw how it works behind the scenes and got to hear what they talk about away from the public eye.
No, you didn't.
I certainly did. Wendy Pearlman was the professor that acted as the main negotiator between the activists and the administration. Despite getting largely favorable concessions, they still asked for volunteers to seize a campus building. The attempt didn't happen though, bc I talked to campus police.
No, you didn't.
sounds like you keep making up vague stupid lies
It does not sound that way. The FRSO is the main org that's doing the really aggressive stuff, their youth wing is the New SDS, and their podcast is Fight Back! Radio. Check that out if you want to learn some things in a low effort type of way, and maybe go to a protest and talk to people. Learn.
So what you’re saying is, your only evidence is “trust me bro”
I assume you have a detailed list of who was there and made recordings, then?
I can tell you that Zach Wood-Doughty was the one that laid out the plan to seize a building in detail. Wendy Pearlman was the professor/negotiator and she was in the room when it happened. I did try to record it but I messed it up. I have a better process now though.
But you can’t actually prove any of this?
Incidentally, have you heard of something called libel?
It's not libel if it's true. Have you heard of the presumption of innocence? It means someone would have to prove my guilt in order for that to be a legal reality. To be clear, I'm not pressing charges against anyone. And neither are you.
I'll take "things that never fucking happened" for $20,000, Jan.
lots of words to say literally nothing
your delusions seem quite vivid
Stop saying dumb bullshit like this
God liberals will just take ANY opportunity to hate islam won't they? Just gleefully squirming in their seats at the idea of something that makes it socially acceptable to do so.
God it’s funny when liberals go full mask off and say shit identical to MAGA. This is great fanfic though, let me know when season 2 comes out!
She is calling "getting red paint thrown on her office" a threat
It's not just paint in her door, I have no idea what she's referring to in all but I can bet that isn't all of it, as she is targeted and has been her entire time in office. But to vilify her while celebrating MTG is fucked up, 100% and that is what is occuring.
That's not what's occurring at all.
are the MTG celebrators in the room with us right now
link one single post that is earnestly "celebrating MTG"
Celebrating IS the wrong term. She's getting attention for it. I did absolutely use the wrong term as it FELT like she was getting kudos, to me. It is not the case. I apologize for the wrong term.
Common Thembo W.
I'm still confused on what the hell this is all about and everyone I ask is being weirdly cryptic about it. I feel like I'm solving a riddle.
It’s about a bunch of Very Online Leftists having their weekly sanctimonious performative snark out.
That’s alas simply part of what this platform is.
The more I read, the more I think I'm piecing it together, but it also seems very confusing on why everyone's mad? Is this even a big deal?
It isn't!
I can understand her being annoyed that people keep saying she voted for something that she definitely didn't. That part I get. The rest just is like 🤷
except for the subject matter, it's honestly just anger of tactical choices - a short term win that puts you backwards vs a longer game. she's clearly not pro funding Isra*l. it's the most ridiculous big time storm in a teacup bluesky has had since Jamelle was brigades off of here
Or, she is thoughtful and listens to people (even those who aren't in her district). She's an excellent politician, she was voting for defensive measures, and I trust her more than 99 percent of politicians when it comes to helping us find ways to stop the genocide in Palestine.
Not really contradictory to anything I said.
ICC and we are on your side. No way to support #WarCrime , #CrimeAgainstHumanity 👊
People are specifically mad about your statements regarding the necessity to provide Iron Dome munitions to a Genocidal rogue state. It's not just about offensive munitions, it is about supplying any aid to Israel Period. Your specific defense of that is what is at issue here. Address *that*
No one needs to give a fuck what a nazi asset thinks or address a fucking nazi asset thing it says Bye
if she voted yes it would have provided more funding for more weapons. So would you have thought that was better. No
ALL the amendment did was remove 500k of funding for defense. It did not reappropriate said funds for offense. It struck down section 8076 of the bill.
If the iron dome went down, netanyahu is enough of a fucking psychopath to stage a false flag, that would manufacture consent for increased brutality while simultaneously guaranteeing that no amount of money is ever taken away from them ever again. Use your fucking brains people.
The US won't cause the iron dome to come down by refusing to pay for it. Israel would have to find the money to pay for it somewhere else--hopefully from funds,that now go to acquire offensive weappns.
The dumbest person in congress sold you the dumbest psy op imaginable and you all feel for it because um SyMb0liSm
My comment is not related to any particular vote in Congress it's about whether the US should be funding Israel's military, regardless of whether any particular aid is described as offensive or defensive I don't think the US should pay for either one.
Israel has universal health care and subsidized education among other social programs. Why do they need OUR money?! Maybe they can dig into their own pockets for awhile while we fund these things for ***US***
We should eliminate funding for both at the same time though.
If we can, great. If not, cutting some funding is better than cutting none. What disappointed me about AOC's post was her suggestion that there was a significant distinction between funding one and funding the other, and that defensive support might be appropriate.
Typical! I thought you just stated you didn’t want to acknowledge the vote in Congress yet you bring it up! Hypocrite! AOC knows what’s happening in and behind the scenes in Congress! Stuff she cannot inform us about, she knows the traps MTG and others setup for her! Look at the bigger picture!
The sad thing is that even symbolism was too high a bar for her.
Literally the whole point was to unite the fascists and divide the left. It worked. Not the time for idealism guys.
It divided “the left” because too many of you hardline democrats are comfortable with enabling a genocide if it makes conditions at home slightly less scary
Also on the point of supporting genocide. By making genocide in Gaza a sticking point. You are supporting 3 genocides and over 70 million Americans. Genocide is never preferable. I agree, but less death always is. And if my death saved 5 Palestinians, I would give mine way more is at stake than that
I'm not a hard-line democrat lol, I'm more than likely way farther left than you will ever be. I hate mainline democrats. I hate fascists more. Plus, I'm trans. I don't get choices. I have to vote party line if I want the right to live. So fuck off.
This guy is disingenuous and just wants to bitch and whine about Democrats without ever considering that people's lives will be effected negatively by their little "protests" which are more akin to a child holding their breath because they didn't get the toy they wanted.
In terms of lives being affected, I am working to live this god forsaken piece of rock, as I encourage to all my trans friends. It's getting way worse than I ever imagined for us here, and there are some places that are accepting. Thankfully.
I'm trying to leave Florida for a blue state
Clearly considering over 70 million Americans facing genocide at home, including you and me. Less death is better, always, and if they refuse to accept that, they will go down in history as the one on the wrong side.
I at some point saw a comment on one of these guys saying "at what point did we decide that the solution to the trolley problem is to not pull the lever"
Wouldn't be surprised if she put this in to try to drive a wedge in the left, and clearly it's working because the online left is the most do nothing but complain group of people you'll ever meet.
Yes you gonna take 500M out of the 3.3B that you were supposed to send them originally and I’m sure they gonna struggle to found the iron dome. The US will lose leverage over Iz without taking essentially anything away from them. Gaza will turn into toast and u will be all here celebrating MTG
But will they? Every other country has a semi-negative opinion of them, and regardless nobody's going to fucking basically give them all of their weapons for free
Just move to Palestine then and stop pretending to represent Americans. You can be their new president.
You are Not focused on protecting disabled combat veterans from your own country, your worried about taking care of people who harbored terrorists and pulled off a kidnapping in another country. That tells me everything I need to know about your moral character.
I think people would have way less of an issue if you just voted no because it's a MTG stunt without defending the iron dome. If you support Israel's defensive system while they still get american money for weapons, you're supporting the genocide.
MTG is a horrible person but that amendment was a good thing. It would've weakened Israels ability to commit genocide unabated. You instead chose to keep funding the genocide. You can lie all you want but the tide is turning against Israel & we all saw where you stand & we won't be quick to forget.
Every dollar to the Iron Dome allows Israel to buy incremental 2,000lb bombs, bulldozers, etc… While you can justify this in the name of “protecting civilians”, you have effectively voted to increase the arms available to Israel for the purpose of genocide.
It was worth the vote to find out who loves their pet cause more than fighting nazi assets Bye
This is a flat out lie
No it is not.
You must not Understand what you’re talking about when you come on here to say this. You obviously went with misinformation and believed it Your information is wrong.
She has voiced support of funding the iron dome in the past and is okay with supplying “defensive” weapons to Israel. I’m pointing out that the “defensive” weapons we supply allows Israel to purchase incremental offensive weapons. It is absurd to fund the iron dome during a genocide.
Yeah, except she voted "no" on the bill that would give Israel more stuff. She voted No on MTGs amendment, and "No" on the funding bill... Too bad that there's a difference between the two. You fell for MTGs bullshit. Congratulations
This was her justification - I am fine with her voting against MTGs doomed amendment. What is an issue is her support of the iron dome, which gives Israel a license to commit genocide while bombing Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen.
Yeah I saw it, that doesn't mean it wasn't MTG trying to unite fascists and divide the left. Right now you are either Antifa, or fascist. By going against AOC, you are choosing to be team fascist. Not a good look. We can't solve anything abroad, until we solve things here. Very Trump things here.
Actually by not supporting ending funding for the iron dome you’re on team fascist. Crazy how you just called every member of the squad thats not AOC a fascist. Its almost like you’re actively trying to divide the left because you don’t give a fuck about Palestine
I'll support anyone who opposed fascism, because again we must fix the problems inside the house if we want to fix the problems outside the house. But at the end of the day, idealism doesn't work. If there was an election, and Rashida Tliab was the candidate I'd vote for her. As long as their antifa
The left wing infighting can get pretty ridiculous - even with my disagreements I would support AOC over 99% of American politicians. The idea that she has an outstanding pro-Palestine record is ridiculous given her recent statements and the dire conditions in Gaza.
I don't really like AOC, I've soured on her for other reasons. But she's alright, and she's antifa. I didn't like Kamala, but she's Antifa. I don't like any American politicians, except for maybe people like Rashida Tliab and Zoran Mamdani, but even then they're way farther right than me.
I feel like we generally agree on politics then - I just don’t think we can allow any politician to make statements like AOC’s without pushback.
Yes. I'm not condescending AOC, but she was wrong and deserves pushback. We all do sometimes.
They're*
Yeah, some leftists seem to want to lump as many people in with fascism as possible, which is self defeating. Your approach is far more helpful. Anyone who opposes fascism is a potential ally who might be open to discussion. Besides, sometimes we can be wrong about something!
I watched a video from a guy called Owen Morgan who is a progressive, not so much a leftist, but a progressive, who made a video on how to fight fascism, which is correct based on what has historically happened with fascism. His videos are really well researched. I can link if you're interested.
Please do!
youtu.be/4sxhRUz5Ukg?...
Pay close attention; Donald Trump will be overcome by his hidden illness- so will JD Vance, will meet the same, and many nefarious white House Republicans too. Watch and count as it happens! It's called Karma!! Baby!
In a just world, these people would’ve been taken a long time ago. Hope your manifesting works this time.
No she didn’t “effectively” do any such thing. 6 representatives voted in favor of this amendment and 422 representatives voted against it.
In other words, she and 421 other criminals voted to do that thing. The fact that other people committed the same crime does not negate the fact that AOC committed it.
AOC didn’t vote to do the thing. She voted against MTG’s proposed amendment to the bill. She also voted against the bill itself. But the House passed the $831.5 billion defense spending bill in a close 221-209 vote. The vote was almost entirely along party lines with AOC joining the vote against it.
She has voted to give Israel “defensive” weapons in the past. I was pointing out that her distinction between Iron Dome funding and supplying offensive weapons is not meaningful.
I looked but did not find any report of AOC voting to give Israel weapons. Can you direct me to a report of AOC voting to give Israel weapons?
Look at the original post in this thread. This is her explaining why she voted to give Israel weapons.
Nope. That’s not what she’s doing in the original post. She voted against the $831.5 billion defense spending bill. In the original post, she’s talking about people misrepresenting how she voted *on the final bill* as you are doing right now.
So why would she lie about voting to fund the Iron Dome if she didn't do that?
Here's her attempt to explain why she she supports supplying at least some weapons to Israel as long as dishonest people pretend they're 'defensive': bsky.app/profile/aoc....
More accurately, she signaled support of it
She voted against MTG’s proposed amendment to the bill. She also voted against the defense funding bill itself. So, I don’t see how she signaled support for a bill that she voted against.
Your countrymen seem to be challenged parsing words Not understanding the difference between YES and NO would seem to be a major fail in educational attainment
We know where you stand AOC… the Repugnants can’t govern.. so they lie!!!
Half-assed stunt or not, these narratives can easily become co-opted by bad actors if progressives do not engage as a unified front. Why were there 4 Dem votes for the amendment, including squad members? If the squad still exists, then it needs to be voting as a block in all votes. Don’t get flanked
It really does speak for itself. Genocidal pos with no spine. You’re disgusting
this is what trying to convince yourself of something looks like.
We need you on BlueSky EVERYDAY. Please.
Simply impossible to just admit you fucked yup, huh?
Well no matter what false bullshit you fucking say the record still stands by the aipac tracker that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez rejects Isreal and does not support genocide. Do yourself a favor and get fucked!
Of course because the only way AIPAC is happy is complete subservience. So that’s not remotely shocking… I guess try harder?
We're just asking for better. She could listen, or she can ignore, she's gotta do the political calculus. But we, the people, should never be afraid of asking for better.
That's fair. But if the bill passed, I think Netanyahu would've liked it, ironically. Right now, he's tied up his air defense to cover his entire country, not just his military assets. Which means a greater drain on his munitions. If the US cut funding, he'd have an excuse to shrink his defenses
I want to know why MTG wrote up this bill to begin with. Seems out of character for her. It risks none of the funding for genocide but had the objective potential to kill a lot of Israeli civilians. They would face terror attacks worse than what Ukraine faces now, I think.
The argument for stopping Iron Dome funding is for Israel to actually face retaliation for their attacks on others. Right now they feel like they can attack anyone and slaughter civilians with impunity. The idea is that they’ll chill out if we stop bailing them out of their own belligerent actions.
Especially when said actions are violations of international law and laws of war…
Having more Israeli civilians die is not going to help. It will only lead to Israel accelerating the ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
Right. But, historically, killing civilians has NEVER influenced dictators with murder boners. Japan didn't even blink when we glassed entire cities with nuclear fire. They surrendered ONLY when they got assurances from the US that their emperor wouldn't be executed. Hell, he retained power!
Also, historically, attacking civilians only ever incites patriotic rage against the attackers. The reasons be damned. So if your goal is to make Israel suffer PR ouchies by murdering their civilians, ask yourself how well that worked around 9/11. What causes war fatigue? Military casualties.
It should be noted that state actors like Iran have mostly retaliated against military infrastructure so far.
That's cool. Hope they succeed in hitting military targets. They actually have a far better chance of focus firing a single target with the Iron Dome in place. "He who tries to defend everything defends nothing."
The more important part to withholding all arms, even defensive ones, is to send a message that conducting this genocide is unacceptable. Israel cannot continue this war without our aid. US backing for this genocide is critical for its continuation.
Bibi might be an authoritarian committing a genocide but he doesn’t have the absolute authority of a Tojo. Public opinion still matters. Even if you don’t count what’s happened post 10/7, I don’t think you can make the argument that Israel has become more chill since they got the Iron Dome in 2011.
I'm not even going to try and make that argument. Israel has been actively engaged in genocide for decades. That doesn't justify targeting civilians. Which is what this argument is largely over. AOC does not want to detract from civilian protection. She wants to stop the war. That's her case.
And you're right. Public opinion matters. We just disagree on the best approach to influencing it. Information influences public opinion WAY more effectively than killing them does.
The Iron Dome also protects military air bases and Israeli soldiers and equipment. It’s not that I think being pro-Iron Dome, anti-“offensive weapons” is an incoherent or even indefensible position. I also don’t think AOC is being straightforward that that’s basically what her position is.
It's because she's an antisemitic conspiracy theorist. It's very troubling that the democrats keep wanting to send arms to Israel, despite how poorly it polls nationally, because they're letting a weird antisemite be the face of very broadly popular movement in the US
I dont really see a world in which Israel stands to gain from losing military arms, defensive or otherwise
It's counterintuitive, I know. But in military strategy, shrinking your front lines is always beneficial. You expose fewer key assets and expend fewer munitions. They key assets in an air campaign are radar and the AA itself. The ID forces the IDF to spready their AA all over.
Fewer AA installations covering each other or other vulnerable targets. Greater expenditure of munitions to stop widespread barages. The ID is expensive AF and, from a strictly military perspective, a huge waste of expensive ammo and manpower defending strategically useless assets. Like people.
Funds earmarked for defense installations and munitions are currently being "wasted" on hospitals and schools. I can see Netanyahu and the IDF wanting to trim down their defenses to military targets only. Further, the US withdrawing aid would give him that excuse. Minimal Political blowback.
You're asking me to care about an austerity regime in a country currently conducting a genocide. I care more about the genocide If anything, austerity would increase the political pressure for a ceasefire
I think we should try to save everyone's life: I don't think Israel should be taking Palestinian lives, and I support an "Iron Dome" because it saves Israeli lives. If all of that has been conflated in a single piece of legislation or one amendment, I'd focus on what I can do before what others did.
You would have supported an iron dome for nazi Germany too, even while it was exterminating Jews.
it's fun to say "I have a lot to learn but I'll always default on the side of saving lives" and get told I'm probably a terrible person, I bet that's really convincing and changes a lot of minds
Support for an iron dome is not actually defaulting on the “side of saving lives” at all. It’s actually defaulting on the side of genocide.
I wouldn’t necessary say you’re a terrible person, but ignorant people often support terrible atrocities without understanding how they are doing so. Israel is functionally equivalent to Nazi Germany. In that context, would you still support an iron dome when it clearly helps facilitate genocide?
ignorant people also avoid conversations about these issues, but I'm not here to claim some brilliant understanding. What I do know is that genocide in this region predates the Iron Dome, that there needs to be a sovereign state of Palestine, & that saving people's lives is always hard complex work.
Yes, genocide in the region goes back to 1948 when Israel was forcibly carved out of existing Palestinian communities in the service of a white supremacist western colonial project. It hasn’t stopped since. Given that, my patience for “both sides” thinking is extremely thin. Sorry for being harsh.
I believe we need to carve out a sovereign state of Palestine, then support their right to defend themselves as a sovereign state, as the sovereign state of Amer. must support that of all & itself. History doesn't allow it, but I believe there's a way, & accept being judged tho I might complain.
The only way to accomplish that is to dismantle the colonial state of Israel, and that will never happen as long as the iron dome and the rest of Israel’s military capabilities are in tact and funded by the U.S. There is no meaningful difference between “offensive and defensive” weapons here.
sorry for the multiple comments, but want to add that Palestinian buy-in would be a requirement. It would be the toughest work ever. I think someone should try.
Palestinian buy-in for a sovereign Palestine absolutely exists already. Other than PLO collaborators who benefit from Israeli occupation, it’s ubiquitous.
but we're not taking a sovereign state of Palestine off the board as impossible, are we? If not, let's find a way. Other regional states have expressed support for Palestinians, let's try to negotiate land holdings. I'm a dreamer. If we cut off our own support for Israel, genocide continues.
Sorry but that’s wrong. The genocide continues *expressly because* of our support for Israel. Pulling support for Israel is a requisite for ending Israeli genocide. All of this is necessary for a sovereign Palestinian state, which I agree is the goal. Such a state cannot exist while Israel does.
If your answer is still yes, then you may in fact be a terrible person.
They’re only able to kill Palestinian lives without retaliation due to the iron dome. You can’t say you want Palestinians to live while supporting the iron dome.
genocide was happening there before there was an Iron Dome, so I have to disagree.
I said without retaliation.
sure, supporting Palestinian retaliation would make for a fairer fight, if not completely fair. Additionally, if any person stranger or no wants to decide that they know what's in my heart good or bad, that matters little to me.
Israel can use the Iron Dome to defend itself against incoming missiles from Hamas. Israel can shut their borders and use the Dome to shield itself in the same way they do against Iran. All funding of US arms to Israel should cease until they use arms only for defense, not offense.
They don't shut their borders; they send the IDF across them to invade Syria and Lebanon and Gaza.
The idea that Palestinians can't retaliate is really, really dumb.
It is, but the general idea that the iron dome allows them to act with more impunity is correct. They would be much more timid if missiles from Ansar Allah or Hezbollah could reliably make it in.
how? they don't even have weapons, Hamas doesn't represent them!
Zionist occupiers only have the right to leave
Yet another fuck up and clumsy attempt at cleaning it up by this over-hyped good for nothing. Elections really are pointless aren't they?
omfg shut the fuck up
You’re on the side supporting the iron dome.
All reasonable people support the iron dome because all reasonable people are against murdering kids. If you think stopping Israel involves bombs and rockets being fired at their cities instead of international justice in the courts, you should aim higher.
“All reasonable people support the iron dome” okay, let’s inspect that jewishcurrents.org/iron-dome-is...
What part of "no one should be blowing anyone the fuck up" is so hard to comprehend? Stop fucking shooting explosives at human beings. There are no further qualifiers necessary. If your strategy for stopping Israel involves killing Israeli children, it's a shit strategy.
The USA should give Palestine an Iron Dome then
Too bad the Palestinians have not figured out a way to blackmail US politicians. That might put them on the road to acquiring their own Iron Dome. Something tells me they'd appreciate being supplied food and medicine first.
Or, you know, stop the nation bombing Palestine and throw all those war criminals doing it in jail. But yes, a system to stop Israeli bombs from committing genocide in Palestine would also be welcome.
How many Palestinian Children has Israel butchered, From the comfort of their Genocidal Pedophile-haven, BECAUSE they have the safety and lack of accountability afforded to them by the Iron Dome? YOU are the one advocating for murdering Kids. Could it be because they're Muslim/POC?
If Israel didn't have the Iron Dome they would have dropped nukes decades ago. The argument that protecting Israeli civilians is a bad thing or that somehow thinking killing kids in one country is bad means advocating for killing kids in another country is insane. "Don't bomb kids" has no asterisk
OH AMAZING. So we are justifying ENABLING GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER ... because NOT doing so would lead TO THE SAME OUTCOME? Do you think they'll stop until EVERY SINGLE PALESTINIAN Is BURIED DEAD OR ALIVE? THEYRE SLOWLY 'NUKING' PALESTINE AND OTHER PLACES WITH SMALLER BOMBS AND DRONES. CMON.
The issue is that Israel is starving people in Gaza, and starting wars with its neighbours. We must pull them back, the Iron Dome funding is a lever we can use to pull them back in line with what is expected of good international citizens
Which saves lives. Or is your position that the wrong side is facing genocide?
Do you believe that Palestine should get an iron dome too, then?
Don't argue with this guy, he has conservative and Zionist in his bio. It's a lost cause
Ah, thanks for the heads up
“Conservative” doesn’t mean what you’re implying; it describes the kind of Judaism I practice, not my politics. And of course I’m a Zionist; something like 85-95% of Jews are! Most of us are hoping a two-state solution will be accepted eventually.
If their allies want to pay for one, sure. But seeing as they don’t even have bomb shelters for civilians the way Israel does, I kinda get the impression that they don’t exactly prioritize civilian safety.
Obviously the dishonest Trump son's,Eric & Don Jr are putting Hunter Biden to shame w their behaviour as they travel the middle east sucking up to corrupt fake royalty & doing hundreds of millions $$ of business as corrupt NEPO BABIES all while using US tax $.Complete silence from Dems on this?
probably the folks that voted for Trump or literally no one and called Kamala and Biden "genocidal pigs" and have never seen Palestine in real life / didn't even know it existed until the cause was co-opted
It’s frustrating how some people use loaded terms without understanding the full context. Many form strong opinions about complex issues they've only recently become aware of. and often through highly filtered narratives.
Your screen name is too good for such a shitty take.
What are they sniveling and whining about now? 😭
1,000s of dead fucking babies, murdered with american bombs, you racist piece of shit!
You completely missed the point of my comment. Try to understand context before going off on a unfounded tirade. Obviously you don't know what's in my heart.
Fuck your racist fucking heart! Stop voting to slaughter palestinian kids! And now fuck you!
You're just not yourself when off your meds.........or you're a bot.
You americans need meds, and the world wont tolerate much more of your sick morals.
MTG laid a trap with her Israel amendment. AOC voted against it for reasons she’s articulated and now she’s being attacked from the left as if she’s betrayed the Palestinians.
What reasons has she articulated? All I’ve seen is her vote, which doesn’t look great.
It’s right here on her own account. You could have looked it up yourself but didn’t because you’re a fanatic always on the hunt for someone to accuse of betraying your cause. Fuck off.
I have never been to her account. I don’t follow politicians because I’m NOT a fanatic in a cult. Fuck off harder.
And a lot of those are only online "left." Full time employees of the Heritage Foundation or some right-wing think tank boiler room. a lot of sock puppets, even here.
Gosh, while I'm waiting for a bunch of checks from George Soros, I find out The Heritage Foundation owes me a salary too? How am I not a billionaire already???
😂😂😂😂😂
Depends on how effective you've been getting leftish people to hate each other. Self rating?
100% this. The same people who stoked endless Harris protests, but now that they've helped install Netanyahu's best buddy into the White House they've mysteriously disappeared.
The reason they seem to you to have disappeared is because they never really existed, except in your head. Hallucinations have a way of doing that. Stop blaming people with souls for not voting for your soulless candidate.
Looks like another useful idiot has entered the chat! You can always tell. They're trying SO HARD to rationalize supporting their fascist whose global warming policy will kill billions.
Holy shit, I never heard about this.
Your willingness to piss off the edgelords and absolutists makes me that much more excited to support you in 2028
Indistinguishable from MAGA logic. Doesn't matter if it's horrific to supply weapons to a state conducting a genocide, as long as it owns the left.
She voted no on the bill ffs. My issue is with people taking a big, performative stand because we randomly decided to turn a doomed amendment (introduced by MTG of all people!) into some kind of bizarre purity test
This right here is my favorite response of this entire thread. Thank you, Ben Chambers.
Whitest opinion I have seen today.
ok girl we get it, if you actually wanna rank up in the DNC, don't act like this.
Ignore these lunatics, Congresswoman. These people are effectively Republicans. They don't care about Gaza, they just like posting.
🤮🤮🤮 Gushing for a Grifter!
What?
The answer is simple. The war will end when Hamas releases the remaining hostages, surrenders and Gazans elect moderates who want peace.
She never mentions the hostages of which 2 still being held are American. She still literally cries when israel defends itself with Patriot air defense.
I’m sorry but there is no future right now in which Gazans are going to be given any self determination. We are watching ethnic cleansing in progress. If any even remain in Gaza, they will not have any power of self determination left. Not unless something drastically changes.
Agree. There’s no hope for a future unless Hamas is replaced by leadership who will govern on behalf of the people,
I support you. The rest can pound sand.
You're excellent, but the vote suppression and Kremlin enhanced accounts are swarming.
It's stunning to witness.
"Everyone I disagree with is a Russian bot"
Then why did you vote to give Isreal money so they can keep murdering babies?
did she?
Yes. Hope this helps.
I'm honestly perplexed by your rationale on this one. Funding Israel's defense is funding their impunity to continue a genocide. I could care less who proposes an amendment if it results in ending our participation in genocide. Make me understand this.
She voted no. I don’t understand how people are still ignoring this.
We are talking about an amendment, not the bill. The amendment would have cut funding for the Iron Dome. I'm very open to there being a reason that should not have been supported, but no one has yet presented a valid one.
The thing allowed the US to continue to give away armaments to be used against Palestinians, which is the problem with respect to genocide.
Sorry, but I'm not sure what you are referring to. This conversation is about one specific amendment to a larger bill.
AOC:—“What it does do is cut off defensive Iron Dome capacities WHILE ALLOWING THE ACTUAL BOMBS KILLING PALESTINIANS TO CONTINUE.”
If that is true, then perhaps. As I said, I have been unable to find the actual wording of the amendment. Personally, I would probably vote for any amendment that would cut any funding to Israel regardless.
Well, I don’t want my taxpayer dollars going to Israel at all. But it ain’t the ‘iron dome’ that’s used against Palestinians. And let’s not pretend MTG would do anything in good faith. She takes corporate pac money, AOC won’t.
Are u asking to back out of the joint venture that owns the technology ?
It was a tactic to expose shit anarchists and shit communists for the nazi shit assets they are Simple enough
So you read the bill, word for word? If not... Zip it
It was an amendment being voted on, not the bill. Please check your facts. Very authoritarian comment by the way. I'm sure you didn't mean that way.
bsky.app/profile/aoc....
She didn't vote for an amendment which would have stopped funding Israel, as I understand it. No one I know of suggested she should have voted for the entire bill. If there is something I'm missing, please let me know.
There is something you’re missing.
Apparently you are as well.
Your handle name suits you.
Well considering that you resorted to an ad hominem attack rather than even attempt to defend a position . . .
Not every statement deserves a response.
It actually suits you instead
On this glorious day, Me are all Ignorant.
Don't know if the day is glorious, but I agree with you. Anyone claiming to be free of ignorance is proving their stupidity.
Present company excluded, of course. No one is ever stupid...it's just everyone else, right?
Yours doesn’t suits you. It should be : Havenopussy@bluesky
The other perspective is that, if she would have voted for MTG’s amendment, she is supporting an amendment that implies that funding Israel’s offense weapons is a good thing.
If you choose to look at it that way. Again, I have not seen the wording, but it seems to be a stretch, for me, to view it that way.
No, it allowed funding. MTG made the amendment and disguised it as a budget cut
I cannot find the exact wording of the amendment and can only find reporting that says that it would cut $500 million from Iron Dome funding. Please show me where it says differently.
It's weird that AOC chose a Nazi web site to defend her vote to continue Israel's Iron Dome funding. That's weird, right?
Sorry, but accusing lawmakers of aligning with Nazis because they use Twitter is the most childish and ridiculous argument I have heard. Please give some thought and delete.
That's not what I said. I'm saying X is a Nazi web site. She chose to post her defense of her vote on X. I think it's a weird choice. I stand by it.
I understand that, but like it or not, Twitter is still the place to go to reach constituents. I don't find this to be a fair criticism. Personally, I have never had a Twitter account.
I get that X/Twitter has (had?) reach, but lots of people and organizations have left it on principle. She's supposed to be a leader. But FYI, my calling X out as a Nazi site is irrespective of who is patronizing it.
You specifically called out AOC for using Twitter.
Although I really do think it's a weird choice to post a defense of a vote regarding Israel and genocide.
Ok, maybe what you meant by weird was ironic. I get that. Sorry for the confusion.
This statement makes no sense when compared to the previous statement AOC released. In the last statement she defended funding the Iron Dome vs the genocide . The arbitrary distinction makes little sense and people like Rashida Tlaib had no problem voting No on the amendment.
They are afraid to be called "antisemitic" But some how they don't realize that they are being pro-genocide. That said, can make me understand "Why did Pro Palestine voters in the US help elect Trump?
You can choose to frame the question that way. Personally, I would have voted for a sack of potatoes instead of the Mango Mussolini, so I campaigned for Harris. That said, my question is, why didn't Dems give those against genocide anything to vote for instead of just something to vote against?
I think Dems motto is (whining tone) "But we are better than the GOP" and that is all they try to do. Bernie comes along and they freaked. Progressives were not near their ideal melba toast center, and they feared him as if he was the return of George McGovern. I'm not a Dem, I'm a progressive.
It certainly has been, but cracks are showing.
why do pro-democrat voters support genocide?
They don't, but if you what to be simple minded on the topic I'll just block you. I have no time for it HazelCakes.
but you think people against a genocide elected trump?
"Funding Israel's defense is funding their impunity to continue a genocide." Do you seriously think they couldn't bulldoze Gaza tomorrow if they wanted to? Do you also seriously think not having a defense against Gazan missile attacks would discourage that action instead of express laning it?
Exactly my issue. She’s making no sense and expecting us to just be ok with our taxes supporting a genocide
AOC is still better than the vast majority in Congress and I will support her if she wholeheartedly if she primaries Schumer. I will never have someone who agrees with me 100% of the time. If there is some logic to her decision, I wish she would explain it.
How does raising the chance that random Israelis get hit by missiles translate into less Israeli aggression in the region? If your goal is to completely shut off our sale of offensive weapons to the country, funding missile defense makes perfect sense
I clearly wrote the reason. They commit genocide with impunity because they feel secure behind the shield we pay for. It was so clearly written, imo, should I assume your question was disingenuous?
if anything a lack of mortar and rocket air defense would entice bibi to level his neighbors, not sue for peace
Not sure about that logic nor in Israel's ability to accomplish such a horrendous task.
what youre sure or not sure of isnt relevant
It's more relevant when you consider that I base my assessments on a knowledge of past history and you base yours on your feel feels.
its not
An assumption supported by historical precedent!
History has shown that Israel stops when their funding is threatened.
nope
Yes, it has. Try some reading.
ill take that into advice, Ignorant Me
Literally the opposite, the historically weaker Israel has been, or perceived to be, the more aggressively it behaves. Example: the Munich assassinations.
Munich assassinations? It has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Both Reagan and Bush successfully threatened Israeli aid to stop their aggression.
I don't think any of those old precedents mean anything anymore. Israel is more secure than they've ever been, while also being more aggressive.
Got any examples?
Bush and Reagan
They funded the hell out of Israel's military. Israel bombed Iraq in 1981. They invaded Lebanon in 1982 & only left after they'd forced the PLO out of Beirut. They invaded Lebanon a second time in 2006 & bombed Syria in 2007. You don't know what you're talking about.
How is that scenario different than the current reality
a large ground war in lebanon
Y'know what, fair.
Of course she’s better than most—that doesn’t mean she’s above critique. We still pay her salary.
She's not better than most. For example, name a major bill that AOC has authored and that has passed.
This 💯
We are just speaking up when we see you vote the wrong way on things! Because we expect and want better from you. This is democracy. Do you want us to just be silent? Is that what you would prefer? I would hope not! If it’s a stunt it’s a stunt you fell for. Not us.
What have you done for the cause?
Ive also gotten involved with local organizations, I’ve supported political campaigns for pro-Palestine candidates, I’ve done research to educate myself, shared information and news, and I’m attending workshops that educate people on getting involved with matters of racial justice .
And what has all this activism achieved?
Oh, should I stop?
Don’t stop, we’re all counting on you!
Do you have a response or do you have nothing but the sarcasm? Is it because you have nothing to say after your gotcha failed? What have you done to help Palestine? I’m curious, because you clearly think I haven’t done enough (and I agree I want to do more)
What have I done for Palestine? I’ve attended protests, I’ve sent money (I hope it’s gone where it needs to go, but it’s challenging bc Israel blocks aid and kills people trying to get food and medicine), I’ve talked to my reps about the issue, and I hold our politicians accountable by speaking up.
Wow, what a hero! Sounds like you’ve done more than AOC. Maybe you should take her place in Congress? Then maybe we can get some schools and airports named after you.
I’m just answering your question. I’m sorry your gotcha didn’t work.
No gotcha. I just want to commend you for doing so much to save the people of Palestine.
Don’t pretend you aren’t being sarcastic with me. What have you done?
Making your voice known and vandalizing her office are different things.
We make our voices known via protests.
Death threats and vandalism are your first step for protesting?
I didn’t support death threats. Vandalism is a form of protest yes.
And also, there are hundreds of members who voted Nay as well. Why was she the only one targeted? Out of all the people to protest you chose AOC?
Because I saw her post lol. It was the Streisand affect. I also expected better of her. I yell at Greg Landsman all the time is that ok with you?
*effect
No I mean out of all the congressional voices she has been more consistent with messaging on Gaza than say, MTG or even Hakeen Jeffries. Why target her office with vandalism, but leave out other people?
Voting for an MTG-authored poison pill amendment is not "voting the right way" on things, hope that helps. It doesn't matter if it seems to be something you agree with, it's meant in bad faith from the start.
Nobody has explained why the amendment is a poison pill other than that MTG was involved. We’re Green, Tlaib, and Omar wrong to vote the way they did?
She voted no on it? She voted present at first, then nay.
I don’t understand your complaint. She said she voted against it.
she voted against the bill (good) but also voted no on an amendment that would have reduced funding for Israel's Iron Dome (bad, imo)
Ok, thanks. I'm not sure what else was in that bill but defense is fine. I'm no expert but maybe the Rs should have tied it to other changes like cease-fire. I suspect the Rs had a worse plan and this was the best the humans (Dems) could do.
maybe. Omar and Tlaib voted yes on it though, and im disappointed AOC did not join them. i trust them more than her on the issue of Israel
it sounds like she was put in a no-win situation. And, we have much bigger enemies to our country right now. She actually seems like one of our few and biggest allies. So I am willing to give her a lot of slack.
she is usually very good, and im not saying she should be primaried or anything. just dont get this vote. now, if ever, is the time to push policy as far away from Israel as possible
I won't pretend to understand the Israel situation enough to helpful recommendations. I do know that the situation is complex & I know that the Republicans are trying their best to make things worse. Netanyahu is at least as bad as Trump. so, with all of this, I don’t think we can put much on AOC
The Republican strategy here is obvious. Iron Dome is strictly defensive. If she votes for the amendment she’s accused of wanting innocent Israeli civilians to die, if she votes against it these idiots accuse her of betraying Palestinians.
So she should capitulate to Zionist liars? We should not fund the Iron Dome. She voted against an amendment that cut funding for it. This is bad, she made the wrong call. She doubled down on it and argued the Iron Dome is good. It is not. It empowers Israel‘s war crimes and leads to more death.
She needed to spring the trap correctly or explain it better. Even just "Fuck MTG" would be a better explanation than anything else.
you take the word of war criminals and mass murderers
Hey, hey! Accusing the Rs of such things is... Most likely true. Or an understatement.
Maybe so but not AOC she’s not right by any means.
Since you don’t seem to be able to back that up, i’m gonna assume that you have some agenda that you are not ready to divulge?
there's no such thing as "strictly defensive" weapons. the Iron Dome allows Israel to be as aggressive as it wants with basically no fear of reprisal
The Iron dome does not allow Israel to be aggressive, because the iron dome was useless against Iranian ballistic missiles. Israel is aggressive because they have air superiority over the Middle East, because of the US military funding.
its not "useless" at all. some got through but the defense caught the majority. but yeah, US military funding one way or the other
It's proven to be useless against Iranian ballistic missiles. Israel ceases to exist without offensive US military funding . Israel's air force can bomb any target in the region & return home safely. Stop believing shit you read on twitter.
thats not been proven. Iran said most got through, Israel said most were intercepted. i agree with you that US funding props Israel up as near-untouchable in the region. not sure why you think the iron dome doesnt contribute to that
First of all this is wrong the existence of the Iron dome enables the Israel to commit genocide because there’s 0 fear of repercussion. Secondly, MAGA lunatics have and will call her antisemitic regardless of what she does because they’re all bad faith liars. Voting no for optics is really dumb.
So maybe it should have been tied to commitments to stop the aggression. My guess is that it isn't 100% effective so that may complicate things.
I have no idea how some link ended up on my comment 🤷♂️
🤷🏼♂️
They’re an anti-Zionist who’s been successfully baited by MTG/Republicans into treating AOC as if she’s failed a purity test
You’re damn right I’m an anti-Zionist and I’m consistent on that. AOC should give it a try. It’s not a purity test to ask for politicians to be morally consistent and vote against funding genocide. She voted no on the bill, but she voted against an amendment that would have cut funding.
Speak up all you want. It’s just a stunt on your part.
How so?
never mind--I just found it 💙
I missed something. Please tell me what happened. What is the "cheap MTG stunt"? Thanks.
The stunt seems to be merely proposing an amendment that multiple other progressive democrats managed to be morally consistent on. They voted in favor of the amendment and against the overall bill no problem. The only stunt I see here is AOC trying to mislead people on how amendments work.
The only stunt I see is MTG putting in a provision that would have *only* stripped out iron dome ammo.
So? We shouldn’t fund the iron dome. Of course it’s not enough, but I still support any cut to funding Israel.
It was a stunt.
No it is a stunt you fell for. The bill was only submitted for the purpose of splitting the progressive base. If she votes yes then she votes for a bill that continues to fund Israel’s capability. A no vote makes it look like she wants to continue to fund the iron dome. You fell for it hard
Wrong. The amendment wasn’t the whole bill. She voted no on both. Some voted yes on the amendment and no on the bill. Are there progressives critical of the 4 (iirc) progressive democrats who voted yes on the amendment? Who and why? It seems ppl are only being defensive of AOC
Who’s “We” here? Because I distinctly remember it was voters like you that were against Kamala no matter what she said or did. Judging from other replies you’ve made it’s quite clear not only is this the only issue you care about, but you’re extremely against co-existence with Israelis.
I voted for Harris. And what I saw were people drawing the line at her supporting Israel, that’s not being against Kamala no matter what she said or did. It’s not that hard to not support a genocidal state and take AIPAC money. 1. of course in this convo I mostly talk about Palestine. Duh
2. On these threads I’ve had in depth convos about revolution, progressive campaigns, overthrowing Trump, and prison abolition. 3. my grievances with an ethnostate doesn’t mean I don’t want to coexist with everyday ppl in Israel so long as they aren’t genocidal.
bsky.app/profile/aoc....
The complaints are about her vote on an amendment for the bill, not her vote on the overall bill. This is her spreading misinformation about what the criticism is about. This makes it even worse.
I would be pretty embarrassed to have posted this.
Sounds like a personal problem.
I know this is going to sound crazy, but some of us oppose genocide even when the victim has committed genocide.
Who is committing genocide against Israel?
Why isn't anyone committing genocide against Israel?
?? Because they aren’t? What kind of question is this?
An obvious one. Zoom out.
I think the implication here is that without the iron dome, Israelis would be genocided themselves by some other nation? Insane thing to say.
All the world's superpowers have missiles pointed at each other. And all of them have ways to intercept them. It's not just Israel. Zoom. Out.
You realize that a country/people counter striking against an aggressive nation isn’t a genocide, right? Israel should fund their own defense system. We should not pay for it. AOC could have voted in favor of the amendment and against the bill.
Do you realize you just used Israel's own justification for striking Palestine?
So many words to say absolutely nothing of substance.
The Cold War didn't end, it expanded. Is that short enough for you?
Say what you mean, stop being cryptic.
No, it’s a stunt you fell for.
How so? Some dems voted correctly, they voted in favor of the amendment and against the bill. If AOC did the same there wouldn’t be a problem.
Imagine a world where you weren't so easily manipulated. No one truly has the fire and passion of a stay-at-home couch activist.
You didn’t respond to any of my points. Want to give it a crack? Or are you just going to ad hom at me?
That’s not what she’s saying though? She’s just stating her case.
That's exactly what she's hoping for.
Not on this one she‘s not. Her previous post (that I saw) attempted (poorly) to state her case. tbh it made it worse for me. I’m unhappy with her on this so I’m going to address that. It seems it makes her unhappy so many people are reacting this way.
she has made no case outside of "i want israel to have money for defense." which is an argument we do not accept
Exactly.
No, this is whining about ppl being upset w/ her. She went on her record and said “But if you want to toss all that for 1 half assed MTG stunt, be my guest“ as if ppl complaining about her vote to keep iron dome funding were just being stupid. Does she think Omar and Tlaib fell for an MTG stunt?
Arming fucking genocidal baby killers. What a fucking case!
Her case is that she made a mistake. It’s better for her to just say she fucked up instead of being mad that people noticed she fucked up.
But she’s not just stating her case, she’s crashing out on all of her socials and calling us neonazis for fucking critiquing her/likening us to MTG herself. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib voted in favor of the amendment - are we gonna say they’re neo nazis too bc they voted in favor of MTGs amendment?
She wants criticism to stop from the left for being upset at her for voting against a bipartisan issue (stripping funding from the iron dome). Get real.
And it’s literally illegal for the US to fund that Iron Dome or anything else militarily due to the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 and the Arms Export Control Act. Israel are an (undeclared) nuclear power, and committing crimes of genocide. The US is a signatory to the Genocide Convention.
Go outside.
Center leftist
Feel the sun on your skin.
Ooh, first time I recall seeing that used as a pejorative like that! Nice job, more people need to switch it up from liberal/lib/libtard/shitlib more
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What on earth is the problem with the iron dome???
The financial cost to American taxpayers is the problem. A Nazi state should get a single dollar not for defense not for anything
So it's not the iron dome you object to but any money going to Israel for any reason?
They can afford endless bombs to genocide Palestinian people because they don’t have to fund their dome themselves. I object to genocide and the complicity of funding a genocidal state
Yeah I got that part, you have not been subtle
So your confusion is an act then
Please learn the difference between rhetorical questions and "confusion." Not every woman who says "are you fucking kidding me?" needs you to explain things to her.
The problem is that now that they don't have to pay for it themselves, they can spend that money on bullets and bombs to kill civilians.
See, that's an argument! Thank you.
Why should the U.S. fund the iron dome when Israel is “defending” itself against Palestinians who fight against their genocide.
Firing rockets and missiles into Israel hasn't really worked tho
It gives them power to unequivocally punish Palestinians since they know the Palestinians effectively cannot defend themselves, it is a bargaining chip against Palestinians
What do you mean by "it," do you mean the Iron Dome? I honestly don't see how the Iron Dome is a bargaining chip *against* Palestinians. (Not being smarmy, I swear, I'm just not clear on what you mean here)
Omg sht up already or do better than her
Lmao
I’m not listening to a center left sheep
I’m not listening to a cat in a blanket
Notice how you can’t disprove me and instead refer to the pfp
You called me a sheep. Like you wanna do better run so yourself or suggest better candidates
You’re center left bud, I wouldn’t give nazis funding to “defend” themselves.
Sure you would just side wirth one
terminally online 15 year old says what?
To sht up. Or can you not read
it's spelled "shut." Or is dropping vowels what you terminally online kids do now? Besides performatively harass people online so you can white savior for your preferred brown people?
Nooo is it? Ever heard that SM censors depending on your tone or are you just discovering America too?
This is bluesky. This isn't tiktok or youtube. You can say things here. Shit. Fuck. Asshole. Weirdo.
Now, now, don't feed the trolls Ms. K
I'm not sure what you mean by bipartisan when only 6 people voted for it.
I’m guessing you haven’t seen her statement on Twitter
I'm guessing you can't explain yourself.
She was saying that criticism against her was anti leftist when at the same time said she wouldn’t join neo nazis despite other socdems voting for defunding the iron dome
Stripping funding for a missile interceptor without stripping funding for offensive missiles sounds like recipe for another genocide on top of a genocide.
Same justification that white nationalists in America use to deport immigrants except Palestinians ultimately are the ones who suffer when you allow Israel to have a bargaining chip against the lives of the greater Palestinian people
No it isn't. That's a false equivalence.
Of course she does, wouldn’t every politician want criticism to stop? So she’s stating her case… But she’s not demanding “silence” is she? She’s backing her record and clear long term motivations. She’s an clear ally, I don’t mind criticism but the way people go after her is insane.
Dude, there is a genocide. She voted against stripping serious military hardware to the state commiting a genocide. I mean her being better than most doesn't mean much when you are saying the other genocide supporters are worse.
Make sure to not vote so more elon trumpsters can take AOC's place, that will show her you really mean to do nothing and die in obscurity.
its not just criticism, its just like the 2024 election instead of protesting 🍊 and demanding he fixes , the KEPT protest Harris and DEVIVED support, from a alley why want a cease fire with final 2 state deal;. now they ATTACK the one alley. she stated-truth- her record youtu.be/Ju7VAeK_tLQ?...
As an aside I love Parkrose Permaculture’s videos. I’ve disagreed with her on a few things but that’s ok.
Harris divided her own support by defending Israel. We know it’s an unpopular stance for potential dem voters. Polls show this. More importantly it’s morally reprehensible. I’m not against vandalism as a form of protest. Why should I care about that?
vandalism as a form of protest. vandalism is NOT A PROEST! AD TIME E AFTER TIME SHOWS DOES, MORE HARM, , movement., all the media showed standing by Israel mattered- given the mobsters first term we all knew this would happen- you sound proud of destroying America- and Palestine
Vandalism is a classic form of protest and can be very effective actually. The symbolism of splashed red paint to represent the blood of victims of atrocities is very powerful imagery. The rest of your comment is… I don’t even know what’s going on with it so idk how to respond to it.
Allies don't contribute. If she said that it was a mistake and that she didn't realize the impact that would be one thing. Instead she aided a genocidal state. Even giving them the means to defend themselves is aiding their offensive as they can allocate their resources more towards offense.
Anyone surprised pro-Palestinian groups would go berserk against AOC hasn't been paying attention.
I’m not surprised, just think it’s ridiculous and short sighted.
Why is criticizing poor decisions our politicians make “going berserk“ I think you wouldn’t have so many ppl arguing about this if y’all didn’t get so defensive about other people just letting our reps know when we think they mess up! This is how a healthy democracy should work.
I think there’s other ways you could use your time if you really cared. Don’t like it, do better or help. But in general… It’s the way you communicate, it’s all accusations and “I’m right you’re wrong”. You have valid points and then go into tirades. You say d
She literally said “next.” Lmao that was her trying to command the conversation. She’s in for a rude awakening.
Palestinian lives are at stake here you selfish fool, why should I care about how they’re coming for her, she’s alive and well.
You don't care about Palestine, fuck off
That ship sailed in 2024 dude.
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“Palestinian lives are at stake here” ok then why are you here, online, fucking in the middle of AOC’s replies? What are YOU accomplishing to end the genocide, right now, this exact moment? Every second you spent posting is a second you could have been doing something, by your own logic.
you don't give af about Palestinians, you corny leftists just can't help but eat your own, that's why ya'll never get past the "resistance" phase of holding cardboard signs in the streets or resort to dumping paint on sidewalks. You all are comfortable protesting but uncomfortable with having power
They are. You removed Biden who honoured treaty with Israel but pushed for restraint, mocked and didn’t vote for Harris who was about same on issue as Biden but more insistent with Israel then voted for the Cheeto felon in chief who wants Gaza as a rich man’s resort. The stakes got much worse.
She is the least pro-israel Democrat.
You are clearly no ally to Palestinians if you’re coming for one of the most vocal pro-Palestinian voices on the Hill. You’re an embarrassment
They don’t care about Palestinians, they care about defending their “progressive” leaders just like maga defends trump without any critical thinking
100% and AOC is exploiting this cynically
Nope, conceding and being a half measure is not “pro Palestinian”, she should take these criticism seriously
The bill is fucking trash that does nothing.
Maybe if yall wouldn’t attack her for not doing exactly what you want, she might actually listen
Attacking is not the same as criticism
this is attacking................. youtu.be/Ju7VAeK_tLQ?...
MTG’s bill was literally a half measure lol.
Seriously, all it did was strip iron dome funding while still funding offensive Ordiance. Literally the fucking definition of a half measure.
Why would iron dome funding endanger Palestinians?
You have as much power as she does to go over there and help. Pack up your supplies and go help save lives.
I think it's more about keeping it in perspective. Fair to criticize AOC's comments/action, but MTG's amendment didn't have a chance and it's ridiculous to pretend this action makes her a shill. Criticizing politicians is important, but she's not the final boss of the shitlibs.
You should care because Palestinian lives are at stake. Fool.
Is your theory here that Israel will react less aggressively if more Israelis die.
You got all that, after reading this thread?
This was a good comment...without you last word - that is unnecessary and not helpful. AOC is part way there, she need encouragement to get the rest of the way.
www.congress.gov/bill/119th-c...
To be fair, he was respectful until the other person was not.
True but the attack is never helpful.
Their last word is the tell. They're not here to help anyone, including Palestinians. They're shit-stirring for the fascists while pretending to be anti-fascist. It's a common tactic that people still aren't fucking seeing through, somehow.
you know what's a tell? R accounts pretending to be leftists.
Ooof preach. They seem to speak the same language.
There is an organized disinformation campaign against her with known bad actors and lots of socks and bots.
They stated prior that this would be her downfall cuz she went against the democrats norm! This is so screwed that they would go this far! Furthermore, just tells you how lots of corporate democrats are for a buck! Primary shumer, Jeffries and all their shitshows!
There sure is, and smells fishy! I’d say the wind is coming from the Cuomo’s side! People just fall for this misinformation right away! It’s not even closely possible to side w/MTG! They’re making this sh.t up to stir the pot and fall for it! They’re pissed, want her to fall, all cuz Mamdani backing
YES. Thank you. These folks literally spread right wing propaganda, repackaged as "leftist" and have been doing so for the past decade. And they always go after women.
This cosplay politics is so stupid
The last word was her responding in kind, which she had every right to do. Tone policing helps no one.
The comment didn't help anyone - what was the point?
“Fool”
Hey, if you want to be a saint and turn the other cheek when people call you names, go right ahead. Good for you. But you become a dick when you start demanding that of others.
What are you even arguing for? Do you know anymore?
Trump is president, you're alive and well.
And getting rich!
Nobody crashes out harder than AOC dead enders.
She's not an ally. Voting to give the serial killer a bullet proof vest and helmet is not an ally. She's a person who mentions Palestine when it's helpful to her needs. That's all.
You can read her reason here via Haaretz "does nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel” AOC Faces Backlash After Opposing Amendment to Cut Funds for Israel's Iron Dome - U.S. News - Haaretz.com www.haaretz.com/us-news/2025...
Her reasoning is nonsensical and misleading. Some dems voted yes on the amendment no on the bill. Any cuts to aid to Israel is a good thing. She‘s provided no good reason to oppose the amendment, she just doubled down and defended funding the iron dome. We shouldn’t pay for it, full stop.
Thanks you
Does it actually strip funding for the Israeli missile system, though? Giving them money for "everything but this" is still giving them money; they'll just shuffle the budget to pay for missiles. Don't fall for the sleight of hand tricks and never, ever fucking trust Republican drama.
Hey friend, since you're in here speaking in "We"s, would you mind articulating what AOC did wrong with her vote? Very clear you're here to riot, not at all clear what exactly is motivating you to be so active on this.
I appreciate the context, but I was asking Molotov Cats because they were suspiciously vague for someone allegedly so angry, and using language that implied their take was widespread, meaning they were putting words in mouths including mine.
Anyone who claims to speak for “thousands of people” is full of shit.
And ironically, those who claim to speak for thousands don't seem to have enough confidence in their own beliefs to state them without inflating the numbers. If you really believe you're right, it doesn't matter how many people agree with you.
You are a fool being manipulated by Republicans
You fell for a stunt from Large Marj. You’re gullible.
What’s the stunt? AOC could have joined other progressive dems and voted correctly. Yes to the amendment, no to the bill. You fell for AOC misleading people because she doesn’t like being called out.
On the other hand, “don’t collaborate with Republicans, shun them, no vote them”…fuck MTG and anything she submits. You think it was an honest, upfront legislation? lol. That’s stupid.
You’re right the better option was to side with the vast majority of republicans who voted against the Amendment lol. Multiple dems voted for the amendment and against the bill.
So fucking what? No votes matter because GOP controls everything. Because you need purity tested candidates and voted for a stacked Supreme Court. U are too dim to understand the big pic and want a chum in office, just like maga. Grow up dipshit. You did this.
How did I do this? FYI I voted for Harris. I‘m not purity testing candidates. This is about someone already in office.
It is Democracy. Where were you with Kamala? No matter what she did it was wrong with your mindset. That's why we have Trump now. It's disgusting how this issue created the hell that we live in now.
I voted for Kamala. Try again.
I think you are doing an amazing job. 💙
Me too!
Everyone who voted no on an Israeli arms embargo deserves to be charged by the ICC and ICJ. bsky.app/profile/tian...
Nah, they’re basically a joke who send prisoners to prisons with better accommodations and living conditions than most working class Americans. We need a Nuremberg thing where the sentence is death by hanging.
100% they are Genocidaires. The New Nuremberg Style Trial will hunt down every criminal and give punishment up to and including death.
No it doesn’t you coward. You agreed to facilitate genocide further and you’re gaslighting us saying you “care” about Palestinians. Wtf have you done for them? You call this a genocide and then vote against an arms embargo. This is a stain on your legacy. I won’t be able to look at you the same.
Muting this post bc some of y’all are being weird.
Don't comment if you don't want weirdos showing up
Why do I always get myself in trouble?
An "embargo"! Interesting word! An arms embargo would prohibit the sale of weapons to Israel. Was someone proposing such a thing?
Yes. That’s what MTG proposed, Rashida Tlaib, and Ilhan Omar backed the bill. AOC is trying to play this off like MTG was playing games. I get where she’s coming from because of MTG, but we can’t agree with everyone all the time, we have to end the genocide. Even if it’s Neanderthal Marge’s idea.
it's fascinating you'd say that, since an extremely cursory web search tells me that MTG merely proposed funding cuts targeted exclusively at Israel's anti-missile defences (notably not a weapons system)—i.e., neither an embargo nor arms-related. where have you heard this called an "arms embargo?"
They should suffer the consequences of their actions without our weapons.
The US would still be giving them weapons! MTG did not propose that the US stop sending Israel military aid.
Everyone? Even the children and babies? Because those babies might grow up to join the IDF, right?
Anything against Israeli arms should be a yes to a progressive. And yes, that’s an embargo. Even if it’s “defensive” they can buy and produce their own weapons since they want to go on a rampage and start illegal wars with our weapons. Don’t be dense.
It would only be an embargo if it banned sending Israel weapons, which it did not do. It would not have cut ANY of the money the US sends Israel for weapons. Regardless of how progressive it is, it is not anything like an embargo.
We don’t send them money for weapons. We send them the weapons killing children. We send them money to build illegal settlements. We send them money for socialized medicine while we go into medical bankruptcy. We send them money to bulldoze Palestinian homes.
The start to an embargo would’ve been this bill. No one is looking at the bigger picture. They’re all playing petty politics. Palestinians don’t have time for this, they’re dying of starvation/disease/bombing. We need action not words.
hey wow check it out, support for blocking actual weapons shipments! the thing you actually wanted! you support this, right? bsky.app/profile/ocas...
okay, so you agree now that it wasn't an embargo. that's progress. it was not some sort of precursor to an embargo either. Greene's amendment was voted down 6-422. It was a gesture; there is no universe in which it was going to pass. 100% words, zero actions. So idk why you're so enamoured with it.
What arms embargo? Missile defense systems have saved civillian lives and have not killed or injured a single Palestinian.
The majority of their civilian population is IDF trained and served in the IDF, they’ve all committed war crimes. Do I want them to die? No, but they created all of the tension in the Middle East. Let them figure out how to build weapons and not use ours for war crimes. Even defensive weapons.
So you think genocide is justified. By your own logic, if it's justified against civillian Israelis (who include Arabs, Druze et. al.) why wouldn't it also be justified against Palestinians too, if 3/4ths of them are supportive if not complicit of Hamas' atrocities? www.i24news.tv/en/news/isra...
I didn’t say that. But if Israel insists on committing genocide, attacking its neighbors illegally, and building illegal settlements — they shouldn’t be using our weapons for it. I’m not saying they can’t get them elsewhere or that they can’t defend themselves but they did this to themselves.
Since the founding of Israel they’ve had impunity over the fact they can attack their neighbors and steal land, we are the reason for that. We need to cut them off, they’re committing atrocities w our weapons. It needs to stop.
Wait, what? Who attacked in 1948? In 1967? In 1973? On October 7, 2023?
You tried to justify the intentional targetting of civilians, which means you don't really have qualms against genocide. Israel didn't "insist on committing genocide." Something you might call a "genocide" happened against them, before they waged war to prevent it from happening again.
mute me too cause you're a dumb fucking bitch you can't fucking read. AOC VOTED AGAINST THE ENTIRE BILL! illerate blue waffle
I have donated to five palestinian go fund mes in the last week I will donate to none for a week for this material support of nazism Bye
It wasn't an arms embargo. It didn't have a chance of passing, but it did get people to turn on one of the best politicians out there. Maybe stop being a pawn for MTG.
It doesn’t matter if it would’ve passed or not it’s a matter of principle. If you say you’re against genocide you better stand on it. Not flake out when someone you don’t like proposes the bill or if has “no chance”. Show the world where you stand, and she did. She sided with genocide.
It wasn't a bill. It was an amendment that still allowed Isreal to have the bombs used to commit genocide. You all keep screaming at the one person who has been pretty consistent with her views on the genocide. Maybe we can get a Republican to take her place in Congress that should help, right?
Don’t be dense. Why do yall think I’m fighting for a republican? Literally everything I’m saying is the opposite of republican talking points. You’re arguing semantics. It would’ve started the resistance towards Israel. A small start towards ending the genocide, bc no one is doing shit.
She is not a coward. She risk everything she is the only one who speaks out. To say indifferent is just not true.
She’s a coward on the fact she’s been condemning Israel and calling this a genocide but then voted no one restrictions for selling defensive arms. Even if it wouldn’t have passed, it’s a historical document showing where you stand. And she chose to stand with genocide. She can say whatever but —
It’s her actions that speak the loudest and matter the most. That goes for everyone. I’m just extremely disappointed in her decision. It was cowardly.
You need to understand the what the bill means before you go jumping on here calling her a coward. Especially when she is getting threats. You need to be factual not just Jump on the keyboard
Oh please. Many progressive voices are saying this is a stain on her legacy. It looks bad. It looks cowardly and it is. I’m not threatening her. Be fr.
We don’t care what other progressive voices are saying or not saying. These are the facts and the truth. We don’t care how it looks or doesn’t look it is the facts that she voted no on military funding.
Again, she’s saying one thing and doing another. The no vote was saying no to the slowing of funding for defensive weapons. Which means, we will be sending the same amount of weapons and Israel learns nothing. Impunity reins. www.jpost.com/diaspora/ant...
Please explain further.
She did not vote for military funding. she voted against it. The only thing it does do is cut off the defensive aid so the iron dome itself to intercept the missiles
They wouldn’t need to intercept missiles if they didn’t start illegal wars and attack countries for their own personal gain.
You need to take this up with someone else instead of attacking her. We defend her to the fullest.
You do you, but I’m not the type to be a sycophant for a politician. Especially when they say one thing then do another. We stand on business here.
SHE IS NOT DOING THAT THIS IS FALSE
💀 she literally did and that’s why she made this post. Why do you think people are upset with her?
That’s not her control she can’t control that. You’re acting like she can save the world. A Amendment was brought to the table and she voted against it.
I didn’t say she controls that but this was a document for history, and she sided with sending them more defensive weapons — when Israel needs to deal with the consequences of their action on their own. We are facilitating illegal wars and genocide, and protecting them from their consequences.
SHE DID NOT
She voted to continue sending defensive weapons to Israel. Israel is committing genocide. Therefore, we are facilitating genocide and anyone who doesn’t try to stop it is culpable.
have the fucking backbone to give thesw ghouls the middle finger. they say we lost because of we couldn't overlook a genocide and vote on other issues like trans. should trans be let into women's bathrooms or should Gazan newborns have infant formula. tha's the fucking choice.
Troll go on now
look maybe that's not the choice, but if it were, I'm seriously asking, what would you choose.
Formula
You don’t know what we go through. You need to stop cause you don’t know wtf you talking about
Did you mistake her NOT supporting something with supporting it? Why yes - yes you did.
Lol. Yes, your biggest enemy is AOC. Genius! 👍
biggest? unable take a criticism
SHE AND LIKE HER ARE THE REASON THERE IS GENOCIDE DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Sure buddy 👍
Actually, yes. She is the vanguard for the fascist corporate monparty.
LITERALLY😭
Lol. Posers
The only poser is AOC when she condemned Israel and was one of the first to call this a genocide, then turns around and votes no on an arms embargo. Get a grip.
Thing is, i agree w you. Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza. And how are you spending your time? Attacking your closest ally in congress and repeating republican talking points. You’re a f*cking idiot.
Nothing I’m saying is a Republican talking point, they’re all for this genocide. GTFO with that accusation.
It took me two minutes to “attack” my “closest” ally. I’ve been spending my time learning the history of Palestine and the detriment of Zionism and how the US has facilitated and funded the destruction of the Palestinian identity to never allow them to self-determine. Systemic ethnic cleansing.
So you say
Sounds like you agree with genocide when you dismiss the fact I’ve been doing research on this. That’s just weird.
Excuse you, I'm spending my time organizing boycotts of Israel and putting pressure on cities and companies to divest, criticizing do-nothing Representatives is but one aspect of the work.
I don’t understand how you think criticizing a Democrat means agreeing with the GOP. They want a genocide as much as the Dems, they’re just more open about the racist reasons on top of the money both parties stand to make if Palestine is completely wiped off the map. Why is any genocide OK to you?
Because its awful suspicious anymore that there is some slice of the left wing that is doing its level best to be children about a fucked up situation no living Democrat created. All this while Trump puts up concentration camps inside the lower 48.
YOU lost same as us, and now your turning a blind eye while Trump turns America into Gaza, thanks to a lot of you who refused to vote for Harris. If your an American who gives more of a fuck about the IDF than ICE, your a certain kind of fucking idiot. Put probably a useful one, know what I mean?
Dems are not our allies. Look at how easily they vote with the GOP the day after a filibuster, or roll over to censure their supposed colleague for speaking out against the GOP’s policies. The same person not a single politician elected to represent the *public* could muster enough spine to defend.
MAGAs little helper
Never said she’s my biggest enemy. But she is a coward.
why are you defensive? maga's little helper he says, so what. at this point who do you have more in common a maga horrified at the sight of starving Gaza or Mr rainbow flag here. at some point you gotta choose. I made by choice. infant's right to baby formula over EVERYTHING ELSE.even blm, I'm black
Not your enemy but you want her personally charged for war crimes LOL OKAY
I want anyone who voted no to be charged. Enough is enough.
You're as out of your mind as Trump. Sign off, take a walk, seek mental help
Aren’t you a peach? 🫠
You're the one defending the indefensible. We're people of reason trying to persuade you to reengage with your humanity. I doubt you'll take the offer.
I’m sure you thought not vigorously supporting Kamala was the moral thing to do, too.
I'm sure you thought backing a literal genocide made you Mother Teresa. Fun fact. It didn't.
Awww these guys want a blue genocide not a red one.
We already got it. International groups and Harvards estimates had 300k-350k Palestinians estimated dead with 52k named and 90% of Gaza razed(Israel is bulldozing their bodies into the earth so we may never know the count). Those guns, bombs, planes, and dozers came from the US under the Biden admin
Politicians little defender
Child mind
I sense you’ve never had a real job
then don't vote like maga
MAGA loves formless fascist libs
Yes.
Stand brave against these genocidal maniacs. Speak the truth and remain calm. Your voice and demeanor scare them. It makes me happy to see them squirm. 😉
Your record speaks for itself. U gaslit us by claiming the last administration was working tirelessly to broker a ceasefire while they were spreading misinformation & sending $Bs in weapons for 🇮🇱 to mass murder children. You voted for H. Res 1449 which conflates any criticism of 🇮🇱 w anti semitism.
You are a political hack and you haven't accomplished shit other than stomping for corporate dems and following Bernie around AFTER what he is saying or doing proves very popular. you don't take risks or a real stand and are just pandering to get a cushy job in a higher rank. we see through you
This is really true. I’ve been watching her move for the right I do believe at some point she will start taking AIPAC money.
Palestinians are Semitic therefore you are being anti Zionists.
Semitic is a language group, "Semitic peoples" is some antiquated 19th century nonsense.
Correct! Aramaic, Islam and Hebrew
Islam isnt a language.
Correct. Arabic ! Sorry late at night in charge of tired brain and a finger I just washed and can’t do a thing with it.
Its cool.
Marjory Taylor Greene is Trailer Trash that Loves America more than Foreign Countries. Unlike you, a Jewish Descendant who Pretends to be Liberal but would March White People into Concentration Camps for Speech Crimes.
Stfu.
You're shameless.
Your record on Palestine is calling pro-Palestine folks antisemitic.
Good. I'm glad she made you cry nazi asset And I am anti genodide I am MUCH MORE anti nazi which is why anarchists are shit toilet lickers bye
Could you restate your point in English?
Palestinians are Semitic too, so that's doubly stupid.
I don't like that argument because "antisemitic" as a word has a very specific anti-Jewish history behind it.
Some of you are
Some people are antisemitic so we can't stop a genocide?
Yes, you’re very smart. That’s exactly what I said in response to you clown accusing her of calling pro Palestine people antisemitic.
electronicintifada.net/content/aoc-...
And some of the people doing it are Islamophobic and antisemitic, does that mean you all are
Are you illiterate or dumb? I didn’t accuse OP of being antisemitic. I rebuked the notion that her saying that there are SOME antisemitic voices in this movement doesn’t mean she thinks the whole movement is antisemitic. Jfc, Gaza deserves better than you morons.
Actually, no. Fine, whatever. Use your ableist slurs. Have fun on the Internet and I hope you have the life you deserve
Thank you. You too. Hopefully you get to experience everything you enabled with that attitude.
Zionism is antisemitic.
War is peace.
That's the line of BS that Zionists have been pushing for 80 years, yes.
So where's this mother country you claim Israel is a colony of? Or are buzzwords all you have?
Your mother, fascist.
Still waiting on that metropol you're so confident exists
star trek in bio yet sides with the imperialists. brain genius alert
oh my god, an unsourced graphic. how ever shall i recover. if you think two instances of racism against the ethnicity their 80 years and counting genociders claim as their own is bad, take a look at this shit. then just keep reading because it keeps fucking going en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_ge...
Attempting to implicate all Jews in the innumerable and unspeakable crimes of Israel. Zionism is a colonial ideology masquerading as a religious one.
It really isn’t. You’re all just hateful bastards.
ukraine and american flag in name "erm you guys are the baddies!" id love to open your head and look at your weird brain. what makes a creature like you tick? is it lashing out in search for food and water? is this a pavlovian response? are you merely self soothing?
What’s wrong with the Ukraine flag?
well, its ukraine. simple as. ukraine, especially with the us flag, is a symbol for weirdo neo nazis and shit.
I think you lost the plot
I’m not going for the day long back and forth of posting proof that each side is chock full of shitheads. But here’s just one:
Antisemitism was very common in Arab dragoons for a looooong fucking time before the 20th century.
You have multiple fascist flags in your bio. Have a seat.
Let’s go back and forth posting proof of each side having hateful people, like every other country in the world. Ignoring of course all of the Arab and Palestinian talk of eradicating all Jews. Cause that’s make you look dumb.
Let’s do go back and forth because history doesn’t lie.
Facts don’t lie. Interpretations do.
Only you're not posting proof. You're defending Zionism because you're an idiot who conflates it with Judaism.
Nobody conflates it more than the Hamas defending genocide supporting antisemites. Israelis and Palestinians have a long history of assholes running their governments.
the classic nuh uh defense. "it really isn't" oh well, can't argue that
I hate violence against children. Hamas murdered 30 children. Inexcusable, and unforgivable. Israel has murdered 20k children. With full, unwavering support from Democrats. Fuck the Dem/Rep genocide coalition.
Hamas started a war. Israel is not required to allow their own people to be murdered just because Hamas doesn’t care about their own.
Hey man, history didn’t start in October 2023, and even if it did, I don’t think war justifies murdering thousands of civilians (men, women, and children) while also bombing every building into dust and forcibly starving the population you have under lock and key
Agreed, remember 03 and GWOT? It's the geopolitical equivalent of poking your brother in the back of the car, getting told not to bully your brother, and when he finally hits you, you murder him and when everyone's mad you cry about how HE was being mean to you. Bullshit in 03 and bullshit today
Israel long ago crossed the line to genocide and nothing that even resembles their ability to defend themselves and if it were for the US protecting them, the rest of the world would have used military action against Israel by now. The only people who agree with you at this point are Israeli Jews.
I made no comment here about genocide.
Zionism created Hamas decades after Zionism started the war, you goof.
Too late in the game to pull this line, sorry but you are an enthusiastic cheerleader for genocide and should be treated accordingly.
You never saw anything to support that statement.
Killing children is a war crime, and pure evil, period.
More civilians always die in war. 10,000 French civilians died in allied bombings before D day. Today there are no Nazi tanks in Paris.
> Israel has murdered 20k children. With full, unwavering support from Democrats. With full, unwavering support from AOC, specifically.
Youre an idiot if you believe that
Anyone who voted for the Biden/Harris genocide regime fully supports the mass murder of children, and the relentless bombing of schools, hospitals, libraries, churches, ambulances... and the forcible starvation and deprivation of water for an entire population.
And trump is better?
If Trump were running against a candidate worse than himself, you'd vote for Trump. Because you have no moral compass.
I don't know where your numbers come from. The IDF says that 56 Israeli children were killed by Hamas not 30. (Also according to UNICEF as of May 27 Israel killed or injured approx. 50k children in Gaza not 20k. But those don't count I guess or smt idk)
Do you have any opinion about my point? Or it's just the math that interests you?
I was mostly just being sarcastic
I agree with most of what you said but do you have proof Hamas murdered children
If they're referencing 10/7/23 then there is no evidence hamas killed any children, it's all hasbara
💯💯💯💯💯💯
You’re just ignorant.
You’re like a circus clown making fun of a woman’s makeup.
No substance. No knowledge of history. Nothing.
Fuck Israel. Genocidal monsters. Holocaust 2.0….Palestinians are Semites.
Hamas continues to call for the eradication of all Jews, world wide. Israel is only their excuse.
Hamas is a product of Israeli occupation since 1947 and is not the issue. Netanyahu and the IDF and their war crimes/crimes against humanity are the reason for the hate jews are facing. Hamas is only prevalent in Palestine, they have no power or numbers. Hamas is an excuse.
Don't feed the genocide supporters. Ethno-supremacist fascists can't be reasoned with – they create their own reality and facts.
Where's this mother country they're a colony of?
Your mother, fascist.
Yes? What does it have to do with the fact that some pro Palestine people don’t see a difference, and just hate Jews?
You stand with neo-liberalism and the US empire and with genocide. I hope the next dead kid from Gaza you see on your timeline haunts you.
Alexandria, you will always have people who disagree with you. I think you are a great leader. I can't understand this decision based on your explanation. Israel shouldn't get a dime from the US. Why not your own amendment?
I swear to fucking god there are so many fucking idiots who are not paying attention and understanding that you're not a genocide supporter and doesn't support Israel. AOC just make a video and just explain in full context.
there are paid trolls making the same claims they made against Biden...
You need to recognize that voting for defensive missiles for one side encourages offensive actions.
Those defensive missiles are currently depleting because they are defending against... Offensive missiles which Hamas and their allies are still firing.
And what defensive missiles do the Palestinians have?
Hamas only builds offensive missiles.
And what does Israel build, chopped liver?
Israel invests in their defence. Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians. Hoping that Israeli civilians die is a failure of morality just as hoping for the deaths of Palestinians is.
You’re comparing a state with a resistance group.
Iran supported terrorists who terrorize Palestinian civilians as well as Israeli civilians.
a "ReSiStAnCe GrOuP" that murders its own people is a terrorist group.
You need to recognize that locking your door encourages burglary
You need to recognize between proper and improper analogies.
Funny I was just going to say the same thing to you
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don't be obtuse. she clearly stated that she supports sending weaponry for the iron dome
Her explanation seems fine to me, plus you're doing MTGs bidding, so congrats for that.
The bill does NOTHING to cut off offensive aid to Israel NOR end the flow of US munitions being used in GAZA. You lack reading comprehension skills.
She literally said the absolute opposite of what you just wrote. Absolutely no one should be listening to a word you write. I have been anti-israeli apartheid and pro-palestine for over 40 years and I've learned there is nothing more destructive to our cause than this kind of fake purity testing.
"purity testing" all I am demanding is that we stop sending ALL support to a state currently doing a genocide. Is that really an unreasonable line?
She voted against what would have continued to send weaponry to attack Palestinians and only defunded Israeli defenses when retaliation happened... Are you ACTUALLY comprehending what tread there?
there's no such thing as defensive-only weapons. israel simply wouldn't be able to do what it is doing without unlimited iron dome funding
Pull that bill up and read it. 🤷♀️
You are attacking one of the few members of Congress who has said "I want to end the genocide in Gaza" and has tried to make that happen, because she didn't vote for a bad-faith amendment written by Marjorie Taylor Greene. If you think you're helping end the genocide, let me tell you: you're not.
Honestly, the vote I could’ve forgiven. It’s the defense of US funding of the Iron Dome that’s unforgivable.
Yeah she has said that. Meanwhile she has materially supported it, and stumped for the Biden administration THAT WAS DOING IT. For the love of god will people have some fucking standards.
Challenge level: impossible
Then I assume you're just as mad at Rashida Tlaib, who also campaigned for Biden, via the straight-ticket line?
Also Rashida Tlaib didn't get up on stage at the DNC (bc she wasn't invited) and say that Kamala Harris was "tirelessly working for a ceasefire" when they weren't. Stop defending this disgraceful behavior.
Rashida Tlaib declined to endorse either Biden or Harris specifically, which she did because they were both responsible for the mass murder of her people. Get the fuck out of here.
No no, you've made it clear that any support is support for genocide, so you should be just as mad at Rashida Tlaib for encouraging people to vote straight-ticket! That's literally voting for a genocide supporter! michiganadvance.com/2020/10/21/s...
This article is from 2020, BEFORE THE GENOCIDE STARTED. YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING WORM. If this is the level of stupidity and dishonesty that you people have to stoop to in order to defend this, you should sit down and take a long hard look at your life.
What year do you think the genocide started?
What was bad faith about it?
🎯 exactly correct. These people are carrying water for Netanyahu AND MTG, ffs
The issue is not the vote. The issue is that she stated that we should continue to fund the iron dome because it is "defensive". Similarly to how it would be ridiculous to say we should give AA cannons to germany in 1944, we should not give air defenses to a state doing genocide.
We keep bringing up AA for Natzi Germany for some strange reason while forgetting things like the USA bombing civilians in Germany and fire bombing (and nuking) entire Japanese cities. Yeah, I'd want those civilian populations shielded. Their deaths did nothing to affect the war's outcome.
Yes bombs killing kids in Tel Aviv will definitely help the situation in Gaza! And voting present as a protest against not being allowed to deliberate or talk with constituents (despite the amendment being a bullshit stunt vote with no chance of passing) while voting against that bill is damning?
So why not missile defense for Russia while we’re at it? You think Russian kids are less human than Israeli kids? Cut the liberal zionist bullshit, Israel can pay for their own missile defense.
Literally yes, more bombs falling on israel would absolutely result in less genocide. Why do you think they get to do all this with impunity? It’s because the US literally shields them from consequences both diplomatically and physically
As we've seen time and time again when Israel is attacked, their response is to do less genocide. Good point. Definitely checks out.
You think you’re cooking here but your sarcasm is actually more accurate than your real thoughts. Yes, over the past 18mo we have seen that the only thing that stops israel is armed deterrence. The biggest example of that recently is Iran, they stopped because they could not handle retaliation
They literally openly bombed Iran and started a war, something they hadn't done ever before. What the fuck are you talking about? If your theory was true then armed resistance against Israel would have slowed down or stopped the genocide. Instead it resulted in speeding it up and a new war.
How did the "armed deterrence" of October 7th work out? Did that get Israel to deescalate?
My understanding is she voted against funding all weapons to Israel. Prior to that she voted against an amendment that specified defunding only iron dome missiles
She is smarter than these keyboard critics.
Agree or disagree, this is consistent with her messaging last year. ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-...
Yes, that’s what people are angry about! If you, like her, support sending support to a nation conducing genocide then say so!
This has become a theme this year, hasn’t it?
I personally like to see what people DO and not what they SAY and what AOC did (and said) is send more money to Israel. Call it what you want, defensive offensive, but it’s money to a state committing genocide as we speak. “I want to end genocide” is not a bold statement either!
Offensive v defensive is a waste of breath. Israel views Merkava tanks and Hellfire missiles as defensive weapons. What are we doing here?
Israel has nukes. One good missile attack from the Iron Dome being down could give them the justification they need to use them. The Iron Dome going down would be begging for escalation.
That’s a good argument for Iran and other Mideast countries to have nuclear weapons. If Israel is mad enough to respond to a non-nuclear attack with nukes, mutually assured destruction is a necessity.
That's an argument for forcibly seizing Israel's nukes!
Not everybody in Israel supports Netanyahu or his genocidal regime. In fact, quite a few oppose it. Defensive systems protect them, too.
They want those people dead because they're Israeli.
The Israeli government is going to kill regardless of whether their population is protected. You can't further embolden people that are already willing to do anything to achieve their goals. Assuming the money can *only* be used for missile defense it may save lives.
Becoming more vulnerable to retaliation will make them think twice before bombing civilians.
You think Bibi really gives a damn about civilian Israeli casualties? He's going to keep killing until he gets what he wants. If more Israelis die that just gives him cover for even more killing in retaliation.
Might make him less popular in the local elections, though.
I don't know enough about what safeguards (if any) are in place to make sure the money only goes to defense, so I'm not going to rake her over the coals for voting in a way that she thinks will save innocent lives.
Do you think she doesn't know that?
That's why people love you!
We aren’t falling for it, you broke our trust and deserve to be replaced by someone who actually cares about ending genocide. AOC sucks!
GTFO WHAT
MAGAt!!!!
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You suck.
MAGAt says what?
I am not the one who says AOC sucks. That's you. I support AOC.
Which means you support genocide. Congrats
2 fake accounts to block ! Jackpot!
How can you tell if they are fake accounts?
I'm smart and had a twitter and this is the exact pattern they use. 1. make a bunch of accounts 2. Get a lot of followers 3. act outraged over anything you can. 4 make people who liked them suspicious of them, over and over
One can almost smell them. This one is only two days old and posts only replies. clearsky.app/voteblue4eve... clearsky.app/voteblue4eve...
Thanks. I am fairly new to social media.
You abandoned Palestine by saying Israel has a right to defend itself. Israel has done nothing but play offense since it was created. You were disavowed by the DSA for a reason. Gtfo.
Outside controversial expanding settlements, what would be example of it being aggressor? Shame on your first sentence. Check out promising Palestinian leader Shabab.
You mean other than all this? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli...
Israel is a genocidal nation and does. It deserve defense aid.
*not
if i may…how old are you and had you heard of the middle east before social media introduced you in the last months
“How old were you when you became anti genocide” ok Nazi
38 and yes I grew up with Israeli indoctrination in Sunday school as a Jew. I also took a history of Islam class in college that went over the conflict.
Wait what?!?!? Countries shouldn’t be expected to fight back if attacked? How would that work? Aggressive response this time because IRGC has built up terror network surrounding Israel [and Gaza and West Bank] which believes this globe isn’t big enough for anyone else, and opportunity was there
Lol you feel all lives matter too. Good for you. America is entitled to be great again because of you.
Fighting back implies you did not throw the first punch or that you are not winning. This is not the case for Israel. They started terrorism and land theft in 1948 and 10 times more Palestinians die per year than Israelis. Gtfo.
U barking up the wrong tree. If you want to help Palestinian quality of life, get rid of whom causes their strife: Hamas I’m no history buff but pretty sure Jews didn’t come out of camps and start capturing land…complain to those that gave it to Israel.
Israel started taking land where there were already people in 1948. Hamas wasn't created until 1987. That's like breaking into someone's house and being mad they later bought a gun. The land was given by the UN even though Palestine applied for its own statehood 10 years before. It was imperialism.
Israel has no right to self defense on occupied territory.
Oct 7th, 2023 wasn’t the beginning of history, “Israel” has been subjugating and killing Palestinians for nearly a century
20% of Israeli citizens are Palestinians. What you said wouldn’t make sense, no reason for it, actually the opposite has more truth to it. Look how much worse life has gotten in Gaza throughout ?20? years of Hamas
Yeah, nothing bad happened to any Palestinians before 2005. Do you research anything or just improve as you go?
You’re an idiot
Lol
Yeah.. Israel definitely has gone too far, but pretending that you can't attack people firing rockets at you because they situate those launch sites in the midst of their own people is a crazy, pro-war-crimes stance to take. The situation is not and never has been simple.
The Occupation has as much right to 'defend' itself as the U.S. did during the Black Hawk War or the Brits during the Anglo-Zulu War. To wit, none at all. It is not defense if you are on occupied territory. You are just a racist, chauvinist, genocidal asshole.
'Israel' isn't a country with any real legitimacy, it is a genocidal, fascist occupation with zero right to exist or defend itself.
The DSA that was stolen from the principles of Mike Harrington by Tankie idiots? That DSA? Maybe someday it'll be worth a shit again.
Yeah a Democratic Socialist organization in this country would be great, the actual DSA is a total joke.
It once was. Perhaps it can be again, someday.
Wouldn't that be nice.
You fuckers made me stop donating for a week Keep it up and its forever fucker Bye nazi asset
Who are you calling a Nazi asset? Me or AOC?
Also EEEEEEEEW DEVELOPER SMELSS SO BAD!!!!!
2nd donation I am waiting a week on. Because of the filth in this thread bsky.app/profile/moha...
You seem extremely unwell
The DSA was a political albatross around her neck, them splitting with her will do her a lot of good long term.
That's not abandoning Palestine.
I'm pro-Palestine but what exactly did you expect Israel's response to be following about a thousand civilians being killed? I think what Israel has done following the 7th has been largely evil, misguided and overtly beyond targeting Hamas, but please be reasonable here.
What did you expect Palestinians response to be following 75 years of occupation and warcrimes committed against their innocent civilians Most of which are children nobody in palestine has ever known a minutes peace in their lives
Largely 🤦🏻♀️that is tie understatement of the millennia, JFC 🤬🤬 Never ever ever ever heard a pro Palestine person say ‘what did you expect them to do’ sus af Not snipe babies, not burn kids alive, not gun down pregnant women, not leave 20 premature babies to die alone, not starve the entire land
That's not pro-Palestine. How many people died on 10/7? a thousand? Fuck off.
"I'm pro-Jewish But what exactly did you expect Germany's response to be following hundreds of casualties from the brutal Warsaw uprising?" This is Nazi logic. If you cared about human rights you would understand why the oppressed would choose to fight back and why the oppressor is always at fault.
TIL the Warsaw uprising was aimed at German civilians and not the Nazi soldiers
Wait till you learn stealing and settling someone's land is an act of aggression which is illegal under international law and what the Hannibal directive is and how Israel used it.
So if someone settles land that isn't theirs (how do you define theirs exactly) it's totally permissable to kill every last one of them, with no regard for whether they personally settled the land or were born there, is that what I'm to derive from this?
"So if someone settles land that isn't theirs (how do you define theirs exactly)" It's a basic fact that zionist illegally settled the land. Are you daft? It never takes long for you Zionist to start lying while acting like perpetual victims. Such pathetic people, an embarrassment to humanity.
Is it a basic fact? Or are you being extremely reductionist about a process that's spanned the entirety of human history? How quickly you decide to label me as a Zionist (or even assume it would make the argument any less valid if true). I also note you didn't answer the question.
For human history? The zionist project to colonize Palestine began in 1896. You are painfully daft and have no clue what you're talking about. Your questions are incredibly stupid. It's like trying to explain to a flat earther why they're wrong. Why waste my time on someone who's so misinformed?
See, the problem here is you're looking at this through a myopic lens. Yes, throughout human history, which that region includes, people have been taking land from each other by force. So sits every person in a land that isn't theirs deserve death? How far back do you go to determine that?
The ones trying to ‘kill every last one’ is not the Palestinians, it’s the Israelis, and it always has been since the inception of Israel, and quite a few decades before when the zionist project first started. Your analogy is racist projection as you see Palestinians as bloodthirsty subhumans
I really don't, and you're projecting that viewpoint on me to cover for the fact that you are defending the murder of noncombatants. There are multiple remarks from members of Hamas (and other similar groups) that call for the extermination of Jews wholesale. That's not a view all Palestinians hold
By defending Israel, you’re defending the death of tens of thousands of noncombatants. Do you know how many children were killed on Oct 7? 36. That’s how many Palestinian children are killed by Israel each day. Hamas has shown more restraint and care for noncombatants than Israel ever has
Just like the view that Palestinians are deserving of this genocide is not a view held by all Israelis, let alone all Jews. You're looking at things through an extremely reductive lens that paints all people as either villains or innocents. That's not how the world works.
And yet you rush to defend the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. You see Hamas, a resistance force made up of orphans, as the ultimate evil but demand sympathy for a colonist nation that in poll after poll supports genocide in their majority. It’s clear what you are; genocide-supporting filth
If you break into a house under US law, the home owner has the right to use deadly force to protect it. Why do you think its any different for anyone else?
Because it *is* different in lots of other places?? Like other states in the US, for starters. Not every US state is a "stand your ground" state. Just cuz the laws are one way one place doesn't mean they are the same way another place. Frankly I'm kind of confused about what your stance is that
Stand your ground applies outside your home. Every state has the right to defend yourself in your home. My stance is Palestine has a right to defend itself.
you are arguing for, I just wanted to point out that that comparison isnt the most logically sound one you could be using to support your position. Whether you think everyone *should* have stand your ground rights is of course its own seperate thing, but no, its really not a universal experience.
Because the situation isn't a good analogy, and to apply this idea with any consistency you'd have to be arguing that a goodly portion of the world deserves to be killed.
Oh, go back to Nova Fest, you Zone of Interest-ass fuckshit
"please be reasonable here" - the eternal cry of the liberal who refuses to take a moral stand apparently the history of Israel-Palestine only started on October 7, 2023
Is your brain so broken that it is controversial to say it makes sense that Israel would respond to Oct 7, that people would support that, despite the obvious power dynamics that ultimately put Israel in the wrong? I support Palestinian liberation. I don't support civilian deaths, full stop!
The nazis also responded brutally to Jewish resistance actions during their repression under nazi Germany. The resistance movements themselves knew the response would be brutal. Would you make the same pedantic arguments about that? If not, why not?
I worded the post poorly, however, but I've just gotten so sick of the sanewashing of Hamas and the arrogance displayed by people thinking they know more than the actual Palestinians on the ground. Hamas =/= Palestine ffs. Palestinians are going through a genocide already, must we talk over them too
Hamas is the most moral force in the ME today, though arguably AnsarAllah could take that top spot "Sanewashing" shit the fuck up, you contemptible shitrat
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize we should have been deferring to you, the Palestinian Mind Knower
Not genocide
"be reasonable" it's a fn genocide. Go fuck yourself.
"I'm pro-Palestine, but like, they had it coming, right?"
sorry are you blaming the victims of genocide for being genocided?
You're not pro-Palestine if you think the story began the 7th of October. You're not pro-Palestine if you ignore Israel has not the right to defend itself against a population on which it occupies. Palestinians have 1000 times the right to defend themselves
Yep, Francesca Albanese was in Australia at the beginning and the PM and Foreign Minister ignored her, the media treated her like a joke and they all ignored the law
What exactly did you expect the response to be to Israel's 70+ years of atrocities?
Israel is on pace to kill Palestinians at a rate of 100 to 1 over the number of Israelis that were killed on the 7th. You are a fucking idiot. Shut up and sit down you clueless monster.
Always the 🇺🇦 with the dumbest takes
11% of the population voted for Hamas and they've not had an election since. They are as much prisoners of Hamas as under the occupation of a brutal Israel. They have a right to stay alive in safety! Israel has always had options beyond the Amalek route of Netanyahu. I'm not buying 'poor Israel'.
You mean 11% felt safe enough to go to a voting place that was no bombed in an active war zone? Hamas is the only reason Palestine still exists. Israel is a terrorist state.
Yes. I mean that too. Israel purposely provides Palestinians with no path to self improvement whatsoever. It's a bastard state.
@tehswordninja.bsky.social you should read this theintercept.com/2025/05/25/h...
Gaza has been under illegal & brutal Israeli military occupation for 58 years. Israel turned Gaza into literally the world’s largest open air prison and a genocide killbox. The prisoners are legally second-class in their own homes and furthermore have no rights AT ALL that Israel actually respects.
Let’s flip this script here. Why SHOULDN’T they fight back? What right does Israel have to be upset? Palestinian civilians have been deliberately targeted for their entire lives by the IDF, by settlers, by *the entirety of Israeli state and culture*.
You can’t claim self-defense when you militarily occupy and colonize a people and they fight back in their own homes and on their own land. Self-defense is when you kill the occupiers.
This is all correct but I think you are conveniently leaving out that Hamas has agency of its own separate to that of the greater Palestinian resistance, and that these two groups should not be conflated.
I’ll condemn them for what they do to their own people and for the destruction they bring down in retaliation from Israel that they themselves aren’t suffering.
Reasonable? What do you think Palestinians should have done after the2018 peaceful Great March of Return was met with the intentional maiming and murder of countless children? Israel sent the message that peaceful protest would be met with unthinkably cruel violence.
Shut up, liar.
A violent attack inspires an appropriate response. This is not, this is genocide by every metric.
Also the notion that the Palestinian attack wasn't itself a response to Israel is ahistorical nonsense.
What's been going on in the West Bank? You know, the place where October 7th didn't happen?
what exactly did you expect Hamas's response to be following decades of murder and oppression
How do you think Palestinians should react to 75 years of oppression? You speak as if the Palestinians have no right to resist their oppression.
I'm pro-Palestinian and what exactly were British leaders thinking with the Balfour declaration that they could give away land that other people were living on? What were the founders of Israel thinking that genociding people to steal their land was going to lead to?
"please be reasonable about the genocide!"
"you can't possibly expect Israel to have *not* committed genocide, given the circumstances"
2025 and still criticizing oct7 🥀🥀🥀
What did we expect? NOT THIS. Right before the attack Israel bulldozed 800 Palestinian homes and made it all Jewish only land. They've done that so much that Gaza had become the most densely populated place on Earth. This is a genocide and w/o the US Israel would have been stopped by now.
Lots of but but buts in that post. Unfortunately genocide is genocide
"I'm pro Palestine" and then you just repeat Zionist propaganda. 1) It's completely false that about a thousand civilians were killed 2) It's not normal to keep 2.3 million refugees in a concentration camp and expect them to just accept their fate to be born and die there with no hope.
"I'm pro Israel but what did you expect Gaza's response to be after Israel had been massacring Palestinians for 75 years, stealing their homes, their children, their land, and their lives for almost a century and systematically committing genocide" makes a lot more sense than your gobbledegook
Not target Children and families for years before and after that happened.
"please be reasonable"? thanks for letting us know you are of exceptionally low moral character
The discussion around what happened after in Gaza is a discussion about indiscriminate bombing of one of the most densely populated areas in the world and about the premise of disproportionate response not about whether there was a response
"If someone attacks you it is expected to do genocide" yeah, no.
What response did you expect to the thousands of Palestinians killed prior to oct7? Did Hamas have a right to defend themselves too?
This is not remotely a pro-palestine post.
why did Hamas attack on October 7th? was Israel treating Palestinians with humanity and basic respect on October 6th?
Hamas is a product of Palestine's situation. Death and destruction with no end or recourse in sight. Such a situation is bound to breed extremism and support it, so the best thing israel can do to defend itself from hamas is to leave Palestine alone and stop giving the group reasons to exist.
Hamas is a product of Israel. Israel started war crimes in 1948. Hamas was not formed until 1987. Being mad at them is like being mad the person you robbed bought a gun. The best thing Israel can do is disband and return to the lands they came from.
“Please be reasonable here” is an insane thing for a person justifying daily refugee camp massacres to say.
Ending the occupation? Seems pretty obvious to me
This is a really long winded way of justifying genocide while acting like you’re not.
occupied peoples are legally allowed to violently resist their occupation. hope this helps.
"please be reasonable here"
"please be reasonable here"
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Strange how the cry to "be reasonable" is always levelled at the people using improvised weapons to resist an oppressing force, whose casualties are much higher, whose population was almost 50% under 18 before the war and 75% under 35, who aren't being supported by the richest nation in the world.
"improvised weapons to resist an oppressive force" Ok, how many of those killed or otherwise wounded by Hamas are IDF (the oppressive force) and how many are civilians?
If you think Israel wasn't being evil before 10/7, you are either not remotely informed enough to have an opinion or you simply don't consider Palestinian lives to be worth as much as Israeli ones.
You are conflating what Hamas did on the 7th with resistance. Hamas did what it did to provoke a reaction. It did not do this out of some idealized moralistic desire to free Palestine once and for all. You are actively talking over actual Palestinians and can't even see it.
I'm about as anti Russia as it gets, but a civilian terror attack, even by a group I might support, in Russia isn't defensible. So I think it makes perfect sense that one like AOC would say that in the wake of the 7th. Obviously beyond that, Israel's actions became just as indefensible.
do you think 10/7 was the beginning of this issue?
It doesnt need to be for it to matter
it does if you act as though more palestinian civilians haven't been killed by the IDF every year for decades, including 2023. why is that one round of civilian deaths now outrageous than, for example, when palestinians attempted peaceful protests and IDF snipers used them for target practice?
Because two wrongs dont make a right. It goes both ways. When 6 countires all invaded israel together and lost, I didnt consider arab agression a blank check for israel either
How fucking old are you kid
We dont use 'but they did X' to excuse what we do. Period.
so why are you using 10/7 to excuse a genocide?
Im not.
Here is a chart that might explain how fucking stupid you are. This is JUST up to 2020.
This is only 12 years…
you appear to be talking past me
History did not start on 10/7. Decades of oppression lead to it, and the absolute one sided aggression from Israel dwarfs anything Palestinians have ever done
Does it dwarf the other stuff coming for israel too?
yes. we are talking more than a hundred thousand dead at the low estimates, war crimes on a scale that is unbelievable, nothing done against israel comes close
In your mind, what is "the other stuff"? They are a colonial ethnostate backed by the largest superpowers of the world and given carte blanche to do what they want in their region. They will likely never see justice, at least not in our lifetime
Which countries have invaded israel since 1959?
which countries has israel bombed or invaded since 2023?
Notice how - despite all of their human rights abuse and the fact that no one else wants them there - enough weapons, money, and settlers have been funneled into Israel that they now dominate the region
Yes
that appears to be false
Damn, since Leonard the genocide denier said it then it must be the case
Does anyone? Seriously? Why would you need to ask this question? How does it change what happened on the 7th and what Hamas did?
because it was a response to decades of ethnic cleansing and israel's destruction of every resistance movement in palestine except for hamas and their direct funding of and support for hamas do you think hamas sprung or of nowhere and people joined it for no reason?
These fucking ignorants aren't even capable of Googling "Netanyahu Hamas prevent Palestinian state" Lazy Nazi fucks
Nazi? Really? I agree with 99% of what has been said in the replies here. I simply think it's absurd to live in the reality where you think a reaction (NOT DEFENDING WHAT SAID REACTION WAS) to the 7th isn't justified (YES, DESPITE THE EXISTING POWER DYNAMICS).
it isn't justified, because genocide isn't justified and that's what the reaction is israeli intelligence knew 10/7 was coming and didn't prevent it because they wanted an excuse to carry out this long planned genocide
The women spotters in the IDF warned repeatedly of an incursion. I mean sure, they were combatants, but they were notoriously ignored
To take your own logic to its conclusion, what did Israel expect? Look I understand you're on the same side as most of us but you're splitting hairs
I think that's fair honestly. My only issue here is the widespread conflation of Hamas with Palestinian resistance and the willingness to ignore when Hamas works against other Palestinian liberation groups. I would be willing to argue that Hamas and the IDF have a beneficial relationship, frankly.
Hamas is interested in maintaining its position of power more than it is interested in a free and liberated Palestine. You'd think by now with the history that Hamas has of cracking down on other Palestinian resistance groups that this would be made apparent
you ignored israel's support for hamas, interesting
question is asked because you seem to acknowledge that israel would obviously respond to oct 7, but not that oct 7 was a response to decades of ethnic cleansing. to frame this solely around hamas bad and need to be punished is a part of genocide propaganda, even if you say you don't agree with it
how many dead palestinians will satisfy you?
You have completely swallowed the propaganda narrative about October 7 if you don't realize it. On October 7, the Palestinian resistance broke out of Gaza and attacked more than a dozen surrounding military bases and militarized settlements. That's not a "civilian terror attack".
You mean that attack the IDF had intelligence on for over a year and refused to act on - with U.S. knowledge? www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/w...
So, kids attending a music festival aren’t civilians?
the kids who were shot by attack helicopters? (hamas does not have attack helicopters)
Pretending the deaths of the concert-going kids was the fault of Israel loses you people who would otherwise support your cause. The government of Israel is responsible for many crimes. But Hamas bears 100% responsibility for the harms and deaths committed to those kids.
do you dispute israel utilizing the hannibal directive on oct 7 or are you just saying none of the hannibal directive related murders from that day were related to the festival
It makes no difference if the Hannibal directive is true or not. Hamas is responsible for the deaths of the innocent kids in any event. There’s horrors on both sides. Trying to pretend this wasn’t a horror with Hamas responsible is worse than a joke, and you won’t get anyone to believe you.
i suspect it makes a great deal of difference to the people who were killed by their government
Kidnapping civilians is. You do not actually "gotta hand it to Hamas". Rule of thumb: if a party was financially helped by Nethanyahu, it's probably not good.
Imagine moving halfway across the world to volunteer to live next to a concentration camp and crying if anything happens to you. The Zionist entity holds thousands of Palestinian children in prison as "bargaining chips for future hostage exchanges. The world didn't care about them.
most of them were born, there, just like palestinians, this isn't the west bank were americans moved in. And kidnapping is srtill a war crime. Don't support the organisation Bibi helped maintain in power because he knew it could be used to his political advantage.
"most of them were born, there, just like palestinians, this isn't the west bank were americans moved in." Please provide a source for this information
You need a source for the year of foundation of the state of Israel? You need a source to know how many generations were born since then?
Holding 2 million people in concentration camp is a crime. Enforcing an illegal blockade on a concentration camp is a crime. Bombing a concentration camp is a crime. Starving a concentration camp is a crime. Stop pretending you care about crimes because you don't.
Did you see me arguing to defebd any of that? At no point as it been a defense or justification of Israel's politic. It seems to me to be the only one to actually care about war crimes, seeing it cease to matter to you depending of who commit them.
Condemning people for breaking out of their concentration camp is defending the people running the concentration camp. The only other option is that you just expect Palestinians to lie down and quietly die.
"I'm the only one who cares about war crimes" says the person out here condemning the oppressed people while ignoring what the oppressing nation has been doing for decades, including their response to peaceful protest (18-19); pull the other one, it has bells on 🤦🏻
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"kidnapping is still a war crime" sure, now go tell Israel that, & campaign just as hard for the release of the thousands & thousands of Palestinian hostages, too, especially the Palestinian kids. Then I will take your argument in good faith.
At no point have I argued that Israel wasn't doing worse. Please don't argue against someone that doesn't exist.
You haven't argued for the release of Palestinian hostages, either, so I'll feel free to not take your bullshit in good faith. Now fuck the fuck off, thanks.
“Blood and soil” is what you’re going with here huh?
No. Please stop arguing against someone that isn't me.
You’re the one saying they were born there man idk
it's weird you think hamas has to play by some imaginary rules when israel has been kidnapping palestinian civilians for 30 years and holding them in prisons and torturing them
I think EVERYONE to follow the rules. Did you see me defend Israel?
Prisoners of war are enemy combatant. This isn't the case here. Please inform yourself better.
Dr Who
"Prisoners of war are enemy combatant. This isn't the case here." Many of them were. "Please inform yourself better."
"Many of them were." Do you know what "many" means?
yes
Are you acknowledging the fact that Hamas was funded by Israel as part of a way to undermine the PLO and destabilize the peace process?
That's one of my argument, as a matter of fact.
Odd
How long was palestine supposed to stay under siege? Completely blocked in by air and sea? How long should they have let the IDF invade their places of worship to beat their civilians? How long should they ignore palestinian hostages, held without charge, with no attempt to rescue them?
Check out the story of Yasmin Porat, a surviving hostage of Oct 7. Her captors literally called the IDF and waited, assuming having hostages would allow them safe passage back to Gaza. They were wrong, and the IDF responded by firing tank shells on the building electronicintifada.net/content/isra...
Awful stuff happened on Oct 7. Before and after, too. And to be clear I'm anti war, certainly anti targeting of any civilians. But "israel has a right to defend itself" is an absurd response to violence the IDF motivated and escalated, and particularly when that "defense" involves active genocide.
I don't disagree, but like it or not people are going to see mass civilian attacks and believe the perpetrators should receive a response, regardless of background. I do not support how said response occurred. To be clear, I approve of military resistance against Israel doing this exact same thing.
Weird false equivalence
How many of those 1139 people were military ? How many of those 1139 people were killed by Israel ? www.ndtv.com/world-news/y...
Not fucking this
The IDF indiscriminately opened fire on its own civilians.
I feel like the point of your statement wasn't that we should have expected a genocidal ethno-state to commit genocide, but uh... that is a good point.
Fair call, Israel is an incredibly savage bloodthirsty society who would rather slaughter thousands than live equally alongside Palestinians. Expecting them to do anything other than mass murder and starvation is probably optimistic.
Lot of words for "I support genocide," you ghoul.
Did history start on 10/7 for you?
Genocide is happening??
Ignore leftist propaganda. They have zero balls to do the work and just yap on the internet all day. Just ask them where Jill Stein is at and watch them choke.
Or where "genocide Trump" slogans are at University sit-in protests...
If you haven’t noticed, the Trump admin literally disappeared Mahmoud Khalil so it’s weird you want the students to be targeted when you clearly have never listened to their protests nor do you support them. Hmmm
Wait, I thought Biden and Trump were all the same. Are you telling me one kidnaps innocent protesters and the other just let's them yell "genocide Joe" day and night? If I knew I wouldn't have voted for Jill Stein.
Biden paved the way for ICE and the genocide. This is literally how time and consequence works.
like whet do you think went ln under Biden. Oh, not this. That’s why he and the Dems were clearly doing his best to stop Trump lol Check out how your reps still vote with the Republicans even now
Bye. I don't have the bandwidth to bring you back from that deep end. But you're there buddy. Hopefully you're just trolling.
The point was to try to pressure Biden and Harris to stop the genocide or to pledge to stop the genocide. We know that Trump will not listen to us, so who exactly would the target audience be?
weird flex when she's exactly where Kamala Harris is at...
God dammit, just admit you fucked up. Just admit you were wrong. And do better
You never apologized to your base for backing Biden. You never apologized for your lies about ceasefires. Did you really think none of this would ever catch up to you?
Are you sure that you're really pissed about this? One reason you Democrats keep getting outfoxed is your pettiness. Say what you want about Republicans but they understand that cohesion is stronger than petty grievances.
Republicans certainly know how to rally behind a pedophile or two.
It's sick and fucked up as it is you are correct. Tragic.
I’m not a Democrat. Now fuck off
Then you are in The wrong conversation fuck wit.
Well I'm not a liberal so I can't speak to that but I can tell you this much.. I find myself having to stick up for liberals to counter the absolute horrific bullshit that the maga cult is perpetrating on the American people
eat various consistencies of shit
I see you claim to be a musician. I wish I had a nickel for every asshole that claimed to be a musician. It's obvious you're not a writer or you could have come up with something much more effective or stinging than "eat various consistencies of shit" It's a pretty ineffectual tack.
What are you 12?
You just said "you democrats", so you aren't either, fuckwit. You and your stupid fkin gotchas are dumb.
I am an independent and have always been since I was 18 years old and voted for George Bush Senior. And if you find my "stupid fucking gotchas" are dumb you have two options open to you. Stop reading them and if you're not capable of that kind of self-control block me. I will lose no sleep.
they are currently knives out against each other over epstein. id tell you to stop watching tv but you apparently dont even do that
Oh I know they are split. But knowing the short attention span of most Americans this too shall pass. keep Epstein front and center we might be able to get rid of some of these assholes in Congress come the midterms. What I wouldn't give for a party that actually is for the American people
ever heard about communism
I most certainly have but I'm not sure what that has to do with this
oh just that the two major political parties in america are pro-capitalist, and capitalism is currently killing everyone possible and destroying the planet
100%. Unchecked capitalism is the worst evil ever perpetrated on mankind since religion.
cool. welcome to the left comrade
I wonder if that has anything to do with the facts that Republicans are all fascists.
I don't want to paint them all as fascists but the ones that aren't are certainly tolerant of the ones that are
Unsurprising that you are also an apologist for fascists
Have you even bothered to read any of my posts you fucking idiot? I'm calling for public executions of fascists. But it's unsurprising that you wouldn't bother to do any "research" before you come out with an accusation like that.
No I haven't, but you just said that some of the fascists aren't actually fascists
And you are conflating being a republican with being a fascist. I know tons of Republicans that are as anti-fascist as It gets. Or maybe you just don't know what the word fascist means?
Please give me your definition of fascism which excludes your friends who are members of a party which is lockstep behind sending brown people to foreign concentration camps without any judicial process.
They are apparently not anti fascist enough to leave or disavow the fascist party. So, yeah, you are definitely an apologist for fascists. And one should be very skeptical of a person who "knows lots of republicans." Those are bad people - you should not be knowing them!
What you described are fascists and fascist collaborators... Which are also reprehensible. The fact that you seem willing to give them a pass for actively supporting and aiding the fascists is IMO an indication of a deep moral flaw in your views.
What the fuck are you even talking about? What pass am I giving anyone who's actively supporting or aiding a fascist? Think you might have me confused with someone else.
You explicitly saying here that not all republicans are fascists. In my reading of this that statement seems to convey that you are willing to give a pass to Republicans who are not explicitly fascists. Which I find to be wrong, they are collaborators.
Kinda the point of the tough guy anti-MAGA posture. Claiming a radical position they can safely assume they'll never have to act on so they can outflank the radicals recognizing both Parties's complicity
Zero political literacy
Do tell. Wow me with your deep insights.. I can't wait to hear it
Republican voters have spent much of the last decade+ screaming about RINOs and while the Tea Party movement was astroturfed it did pretty much completely replace the party Establishment. The idea GOP voters are quiet and obedient is just a lie created to get Dem voters to shut up.
no they dont they constantly harangue their politicians often w credible threats of violence them being obsessed w guns n whatnot
hell half the reason these republicans abide by maga by their own admission is out of terror of losing their jobs or their lives
Republicans: "We will never negotiate with terrorists!!" Republicans to MAGA: "Okey dokey, just be a little patient please, we have to get it rubber-stamped by our judges."
You’re right about one thing, the Democrats have absolutely no party discipline whatsoever.
You're right about Dems not understanding party cohesion. Coalition building requires compromise on ALL sides, Dems keep getting outfoxed as you put it because the centrists have refused to compromise with progressives/leftists at all
I can't know for certain, but if Bernie and AOC backed Biden for the reason it appears they did, I think it was a defensible choice. If you keep the ball in his court, he steps down and endorses Kamala instead of turning it into a jungle primary.
If that happens, every new candidate- including Kamala- needs to put their full mouth on the money faucet. The case for who would be the best nominee becomes a question almost entirely about campaign funds and not about policy. The left has NO voice in that conversation.
Obviously we know in hindsight that we still ended up having no voice, but at the time you can only play with the cards you're dealt so if Bernie/AOC felt it was better to have some chance than no chance I can't really find much fault in their logic.
Jesus, just go fuck yourself already.
Shut the fuck up lib
😂 No bitch.
You need to spend less time talking and more time listening. It’s clear that this has impacted your ability to contribute to any discussion. Fucking moron lmao
I don't listen to you folks. You're the MAGA of the left.
Then stop reading our comments, you fucking freak
Woah, look who's reading my comments! You stop first!
We're not the ones uncritically supporting "our side" no matter what evil they support or perpetrate. That's you; if we're drawing actual comparisons you're qualitatively closer to MAGA by supporting the people who give support for a genocide.
You support and perpetrate evil.
Lol "no u". Find a school bus and get on so you can chill with your intellectual peers
It's actually really easy to not vote to give Israel money and weapons.
That’s rich coming from blue maga but go off I guess
Nope. You're maga. I called it first.
Ok blue maga
Tom Nichols follower opinion disregarded
Forever and ever because it bothers the weirdo left for some reason!
bother? brother we pity you
Back at ya
Bro's bio has "shitlib according to MAGA left" lmfao. At least he's aware of it.
Calvinball is the perfect metaphor for Gaza-First leftists. A more hypocritical, self-righteous group doesn’t exist.
Do you believe there is a genocide in Gaza?
I’m going to say no just to piss you off.
Very edgy, supporting genocide to own me for caring about genocide too much. What a brave boy.
The Gaza first voter bloc is responsible for another genocide happening in the US. And I don’t see them fighting ICE anywhere, just lying about Kamala’s Gaza policy.
What are you doing about ICE? Because every organization I have supported that’s done Palestinian advocacy has also done anti-ICE action. Also look at the third link in your own screenshot. Kamala was not meaningfully anti-genocide and refused to have a Palestinian speaker at the DNC. She also +
supported ICE pretty strongly in her capacity as VP, as well as defending the administrations abhorrent actions in Israel. She did not want the pro Palestine vote.
It would make absolutely 0 sense to have a speaker at the National Convention that the whole point is to make your candidate look good, to have someone there to attack them. Can’t believe anyone would even imagine that to happen, let alone still be going on about it
I’ve been out in the streets, largely because you were so hypocritically racist against Kamala that we got stuck with a dementia patient who was quoting Hitler. Until you have more criticisms of Republicans than of progressive Democrats, I won’t believe a word you say.
You don't care who has to die as long as you feel comfy, got it. I don't know why you'd come on here and admit you completely lack humanity, but then, I'm not as fucking stupid or heartless as you.
All this "narcissism of Gaza voters" shit is pure projection. You're the narcissist who doesn't care about other human lives. And you're mad that if other people have actual principles, that means you're not as good a person as you think you are, so you have to tear them down.
You are fucking asshole. You pretend to care about Gaza, but can’t even act to stop the genocide happening in your own borders. We were 100% right about everything that is happening without Kamala winning, and you still have the audacity to claim moral superiority.
I call bullshit. There are people who are dying because leftists wouldn’t vote for Kamala, and leftists are doing shit about it.
That's absolutely bullshit, first and foremost Trump is responsible. Next would be the party that failed to beat him.
I dunno man...seems like the Jewish ethnostate doing Holocaust II and the people that support them have earned that trophy.
Which democrat who votes with trump do you love most? Is it Slotkin? That stapler thrower? American Psycho?
My favorite Democrat is AOC.
Oh no, my entire worldview destroyed because your favorite democrat is constantly flaking on criticizing a genocide!
OHHHHHH
Ya'll are just trying to shift blame because the choosing to not back Biden and Harris has fucked Palestine over even worse than before. Biden and Harris both wanted Palestine to have its own state. You helped the guy who wanted it wiped off the map. Congrats.
Biden and Harris loved Palestine so much they sent unprecedented levels of weapons to Trump supporters.
If there is any justice in this cold ugly world, Biden will be executed as a war criminal no different than the Nazis before him and the Nazis after. Palestine is not about you. It is not about a bipartisan slap fight while they vote for the same shit over and over.
Yet, you keep trying to make it about us. Any help we could have given to end the damn geocide was going to be based on the leverage we'd have had with Harris in office. Now Palestine has bigger problems & we've neither leverage nor time to help. We've got our own new problems. Again, congrats.
The Palestinian genocide is not about democrats and republicans flipping each other off across the halls of the same fucking burning building. It is not about AOC or MTG. They do not matter. A real, tangible, second by second fucking genocide is not about you. Not about purity testing you.
Every single one of you deranged fucks making a genocide that puts the wwii Holocaust to fucking shame about red vs blue, about American political infighting over who is/isn’t optically Best to intercede in the arms trade to Israel, help answer the question of why it’s still going on.
Trump won, Harris lost. That's why.
You are a waste of an argument. Biden killed kids. I opposed them too and you can pretend it would have stopped if "he just had moar power" but he had the power dumbass. He just didnt use it so shut tf up
I didn't say "if Biden had more power." I said we'd have more leverage & power to stop the bombs if he or Harris won. You get power over politicians by being a voting block that supports the winning candidate. A boycott is effective against a corporation, but it's the opposite in political races.
As fucked up as Biden's continuing to send Israel bombs was, and it absolutely was, his overall plan for Palestine was the same one as the Arab world put out. That's a goal that we could have pushed him or Harris on had they won. Trump's goal was to wipe Palestine off the map. The stakes were clear.
Even Trump knew who was going to be better for Gaza. "Harris has worked to tie Israel's hand behind its back, demanding an immediate cease-fire, always demanding cease-fire," adding it "would only give Hamas time to regroup and launch a new Oct. 7 style attack." www.politifact.com/article/2024...
@aoc.bsky.social, you didn't know how vote on the overall defense bill would go before your UNWAVERING support for 🇮🇱* made you help shoot down an amendment which would have mitigated it, HAD it passed. I LOATHE MTG, but she showed more decency & integrity here than you did! * (lost Harris the WH!)
@aoc.bsky.social: "Tax the Rich and send those tax dollars to a murderous regime whose 'The World's Most Moral Army' soldiers LAUGH about shooting* and burning alive children!" * latest FUN GAME: on "head day", they aim at heads, on "leg day", they aim at legs, on "genitals day"... you get the idea
(That👆 was inspired by this👇.) bsky.app/profile/frec...
Apologize for warning that trashing the Dem incumbent just months before the GE wouldn’t end well and then backing the the Dem nominee when the alternative was this⤵️?
She fucked up by not being one of only 7 people to vote for a MTG amendment that never had a chance of passing because only 6 people in congress voted for it? It was a stunt that made no difference whatsoever.
One could just as easily say it had no chance of passing so it would have been fine to vote for it. What are we doing here.
Truly
“AOC voted for MTG’s Amendment.“ that would be great ammo against her when she runs for Senate dumbass. MTG is an actual antisemite by the way.
Omar and Tlaib voted for that amendment, are you saying they’re antisemites?
you accept bigots’ and antisemites’ framing of the issue and co opt it against your own side. ask yourself whose work you actually do
I don’t accept bigots or antisemites framing of the issue but no one I support vehemently should help MTG get clout for free.
that is the framing you are claiming she is performing herself. and you accept it as valid and meaningful
keep playing defense against bigots like mtg. let her define the conversation. and if anyone steps outside those lines, just remind them we have to factor her beliefs into everything we do
No, it really wouldn’t
Yea well why risk it? No one she runs against will be more anti-genocide will they?
That exact thinking is why the democrats lost in 2024.
No it’s not because AOC has said “Free Palestine”
are you a fucking toddler?
He's so wrapped up in "But MTG proposed it!" as his defense that he refuses to comprehend the idea that a broken clock will eventually be right.
Actions speak louder than words
And she voted against the bill. That’s her action.
Her behavior the last few days is much riskier than voting for a good policy
I don't think calling me a dumbass as you restate my point is warranted. Yes, if she voted for the amendment then some people might try to use that against her. So don't act shocked when people hold it against her that she voted against it.
This idea that dems voting against their base's interest must always be ignored by the base is insane to me. "We must never expect their support, because it can be used against them by the right."
You are still acting like this was anything but a stunt.
why do you so desperately need me to agree with you?
Oh I am sure voters will be tight about her not voting for a MTG amendment that had no chance of going anywhere.
then why the fuck do you care at those of us that are pissed at her? if you feel so comfortable with how she voted, fuck off
you and AOC think her record stands on its own so much that you have to sputter and make excuses for an indefensible decision over and over
You can take this one of two ways: either she genuinely agrees with funding Iron Dome (bad) or she believes that the people who would be upset by a No vote are less useful than those who would be upset by a Yes vote (also bad). Whether it's values or realpolitik, the reason for being upset is clear.
Let's say she had voted for it. Would you be telling people who are mad at her vote that she obviously had to do it because her No vote would be viewed as supporting a state commiting a genocide? If not, why not?
I like AOC, I understand the calculation behind this vote, and I think it sucks shit. Is that less nuanced a position than "we must support evil things because the voters are hogs?"
Implicit in your argument is the understanding that there would be consequences if she did vote for it because it would signal something about her values. Well, it's true going the other way, too.
It would signal that she has values. That would have been a good thing.
So pure.
there's a large distance between purity tests and human decency
your messaging on this has been shit, I thought you had better political instincts than this
MTG will likely be a memory after 2026. It's all good.
The real problem here is that you keep saying that "iSrAeL hAs A rIgHt To DeFeNd ItSeLf" which is not true. That's like saying that nazi germany had a right to survive after WW2. The only state that should be there is the State of Palestine. Anything else is just zionist propaganda.
or maybe you may be wrong? Me thinks anyone that confronts you on that is prolly wrong too? It's not always black n' white. But AOC has humanity, and humility. Respect is a 2-way street!
Dude. If people complain is because they care. We want her to be perfectly right on this issue. Supporting israel defensive capabilities or their "right to exist" as an apartheid state is being in the wrong side of history. Pretty simple.
She voted against supporting Israel's offensive capabilities. There are plenty of people complaining here who obviously do not care, including about finding out the truth about what you're condemning. You are condemning her for refusing to fund offensive bombs to directly attack human beings.
Caring and complaing is GOOD! Nothing wrong woth that. But is she on the wrong? Is she on YOUR wrong side. AOC has been nothing but truthful, logical, human and has been a democrat spokes person that WE NEED. Not everyone is going to be on YOUR agenda. Attacking her does no good on here.
Problem is, she refuses to acknowledge the core problem with her statement. She says that the iron dome must still be funded by US taxpayers, like she doesn't understand that it encourages israel to attack their neighbors and keep the genocide going on. She is really good on many issues. Not this 1.
The problem is, you idiots do not even understand when you read things. She says that Israel should not get provided more bombs to directly attack people. That is what she voted against. There will be other legislation to defund their iron dome, but at the moment, there are majority shenanigans.
She has repeatedly said that she is FOR FUNDING THE IRON DOME. That alone is reprehensible enough to criticize her, and she should not complain about that. What's the point of correctly calling it a genocide if you still believe that israel has a right to exist and defend itself? Nonsense.
Well said Jacks...
I am not sure that is what she means or believes. Perhaps it is taken out of context? NO ONE wants more funded killing. But no one wants extremists killing in the shadows of bullsh!t either. As I said befoe.. the red pill, the blue pill. Damned if your wrong. Damned if your are prolly right?
So what you're saying is you want to end one genocide by genociding someone else?
oh sure, the people complaining about genocide just want the genocide but on the other side 🙄🙄 fucking moron From the river to the sea ✊
From LA to New York, from New York to LA, you cretin.
Put it this way. Lots of people have every reason to hate the US. If they could hamstring the US military so that it couldn't protect you and millions of American children, should they?
why would a lot of people hate the US? Did they something wrong? because the problem begins when you apply that stupid logic "good guy-bad guy" where you're always on the good side. If you are unable to acknowledge what you did wrong, the conversation is impossible. No justice, no peace.
the answer to your tricky stupid question is no, but you have to understand that israelis are a deeply troubled and sick society that are in favor of ethnic cleansing and genocide. If you are for war, don't fucking cry when others retaliate, because otherwise you just want impunity.
Sweetie, and yes this is the tone I adopt for children and imbeciles, the US is a deeply troubled and sick society that has committed or abetted plenty of ethnic cleansing of its own, some of it on its own soil. Are you really this dim?
dude what is your position? are you in favor of palestine or not? are denouncing ethnic cleansing or not? I'm not american and not a right winger, so I agree that the US has a horrible history of genocide and abuse. what's your fucking point?
Amazingly enough I can be pro-Palestine, against Israel's war crimes, against Hamas, and against leaving Israeli civilians, including children, wide open to attack because of their government, all without being a hypocrite.
ooh a liberal zioninst. got it. yeah, fuck that. israel has no right to exist. I live in a country that liberated from european rule. If you told me that at the moment everyone was having their independence from their metropolis, my land actually belonged to some white people in europe, I'd resist
the very fact that you buy that whole bullshit of hamas being terrorists and not freedom fighters tells me that you actually don't give a fuck about freedom or equality. You don't understand what imperialism entails for the people being oppressed and displaced. Fuck israel all day long.
Well that's right up there with MTG's Jewish space lasers and Pizzagate. Does your nurse know that you're on the internet unsupervised?
Cool, so we've established that you're a genocidal psychopath and literally no better than Bibi. Not that there was much doubt.
So, following your logic, when are you going to get the fuck off that stolen Native American land, dipshit?
Are you feeble minded? Do you have any fucking idea what US foreign policy has been responsible for in the last 60 years?
These loons would be gleefully blowing up American children at the first opportunity for things the government did 150+ years ago. Don't bother.
To this day, 40% of the US supports the kidnapping and trafficking of people to 3rd countries, the construction of concentration camps, all for he hope of having a country for white people only. But the left are the loons for wanting a clear stance against fascism and genocide. Got it.
Oh, You should have just said you were insane. Now I can mute you.
I love posts where I have no idea what the hell they are talking about
Your record on Palestine? You fucking narcissist, you just voted to give A HALF BILLION IN TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO KEEP FUNDING ISRAEL’S IRON DOME. SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU ARROGANT BASTARD
She didn’t. She voted against the bill.
Right on Sis, your record speaks loudly for itself.
You didnt fail some crazy leftist purity test. You failed a basic humanity test.
You mean the test of still funding defensive capabilities so that less people die?
No statement on the hundreds soon to be thousands dropping dead from intentional starvation? Come on man. We believed in you. You can still fix this.
80 kids have died from hunger in Gaza in the past few days. Literally from man made famine. But Israel needs its "defensive weapons" right? Apologize. Seriously the longer you wait, the more insincere any means culpa become
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I don't think that you have the brains nor the sense to figure out that if the iron dome goes down, netanyahu is actually depraved enough to stage a false flag attack that causes not only the US to reverse course and allow them to use the iron dome again, but also that would manufacture consent...
...For increased brutality. Not only would the US increase the amounts of bombs that we are sending with offensive capabilities, but it would also make conditions worse. Apologize.
Yeah seriously just say sorry and do better next time. The vote against the Amendment was a mistake. Admit it and move on. This doubling down is ridiculous.
Ignore those haters
All of this shit needs to fucking stop NOW
It’s so difficult to recognize who is a genuine activist for Palestine and who is a fascists shill creating chaos against AOC. What can’t be denied is if you support anything MTG put forward, you are no leftist.
You're officially a monster now.
🤖
THANKS FOR BEING YOU.
If you find yourself agreeing with MTG you should REALLY examine what’s actually going on.
She said the Northeast should be expelled from America. I totally agree and want New England independence. Why fight with these idiots and allow them to drag everyone down when we could just leave? Malaysia expelled Singapore and Singapore is doing fantastic!
Yep here comes the crowd to sabotage itself and run more geriatric borderline righties against progressive candidates.
We have progressive candidates? Everytime they pop up the DNC throws em out.
That’s my point. One single vote and the cannibalism starts.
One single vote against not giving half a billion dollars to a state two years into a genocide, yeah haha just a little tiny thing
It's not one single vote.
This is the current argument over the one vote recently.
Oh well i wouldnt blame the new guys that they still dont listen to, id be blaming these corporate shills who've allowed the worst political movement to take hold in our country - because they suck.
cringe. just take the L and promise to do better.
At this point, why bother? She fucked up and no one will ever support her again.
because she still voted no on the bill as a whole. this is optics, and she failed the optics test. it was a political misstep not a betrayal.
Oh, for sure. And I understand that, absolutely. It's just that from posts I've seen over the past couple years, to some people she may as well be overseas executing people herself.
She has a long track record of being a fraud and a sellout who refuses to take necessary stands against genocide. So yeah, nobody paying any attention can or should believe a word she says anymore.
Good to know. I'm honestly considering just giving up supporting any politician/those who run in order to be one. Like, what's even the point anymore, since they're all gonna end up like this eventually.
the system produces these candidates. change the system, get better candidates.
It'll be nice if we can do that.
And yet you seem unable to get any meaningful leadership to sit down at a conference room table. After the Turks slaughtered millions of Greeks, Armenians and, Assyrians, they had to negotiate the Treaty of Lausanne. Let me know when you get that done.
There are no disagreements on genocide. None. It does not matter how the other side votes. It is how you throw your vote to represent your constituents. MTG is representing hers. You cannot draw a line in the sand and put your feet down on either side. We have no democracy at this point in time.
Bringing MTG into this is a what about-ism at this point in time when Israel is starving and killing babies. This is clearly a personal moral or a financial dilemma that starts with you.
Muting all the nazi assets
No one cares Zionist
You are literally siding with a fascist right now. MTG doesn’t give a shit about Palestine and supports Israel. The fact that you are defending her is insane.
So if the amendment says that offensive funding remains the same, are you okay with that? This is the problem. If AOC doesn't bring any of her own amendments forward or vote for a better one, then you'd have a point.
She was wrong with her vote here and she’s being justly destroyed for it. That said I live in an area with the biggest Muslim population in the US and they heavily voted Trump because of what’s happening in Gaza. A dreadful mistake across the board.
The entire world has failed the test of morality, I fear.
Seems to be the case. IMO, I know countries have nukes and strong allies but if a country is committing genocide the world should be able to come together to stomp that shit out quick. In this reality they just sit and watch. Hard to even believe.
Nothing humanitarian or democratic about war, military, nuclear weapons, abuse of power, abuse of capitalism, abuse of spirituality, and the list goes on. But I will stand on the hill with Palestine and continue to say that this is genocide, cruelty, mass perpetrated extinction and inhumanitarian.
“If war is ever lawful, then peace is sometimes sinful. There are moments when you must fight, lest all that makes life desirable be lost.”
Peace lies in stillness and in chaos. It never left the table. Peace is its own category. Peace requires surrender and insight, not fight. That is the difference.
Tell that to the Jews during WW2 or any number of examples throughout history. When the Nazis come rolling down my street I sure as hell will not be offering insight and surrender. But to each their own.
The first step in true wisdom is recognizing that one is, in part, evil
Is October 7th a genocide?
Are 20,000 dead Palestinian babies a genocide? I am sure the less than 1.2 million Palestinians left today were able to man the IOF helicopters that wiped out all the Israeli conscripts running from them. Maybe you can tell me what happened to Folke Bernadotte in 1948.
Do you know what you are in the eyes of Hamas? Useful idiot, another question, if you can choose, would you live in Israel or in Gaza under Hamas? m.youtube.com/watch?v=8LPi...
So you condone the bombing and starvation of babies. I am sure they are capable and certified to man tanks… Wtf is the matter with you?
I understand that you don't trust the United States or Israel, but your fellow countrymen Egypt and Qatar have been helping Hamas negotiate a ceasefire. You can ask them who is refusing a ceasefire.
You don’t understand anything obviously. You have fallen victim to the propaganda fed to you. Making you feel superior and righteous over others human rights as if no one else deserves decency and human rights. Please go back and read the Torah. Nothing more you can say can justify the cruelty done.
Israel cannot cease fire now because they have a responsibility for the hostages and they must rescue them.
Stop making excuses for them. It’s been 600 days plus. Israel and the IOF and the IDF do not care about your hostages. If they did, they wouldn’t be so busy trying to starve them too…
Look at Iran, it has no power to fight back and can only be beaten
Israel has absolute air superiority. If they want to kill people, they don't need to starve them. They can just use the air force and make Gaza completely lifeless in a few hours.
Is that so? If Israel really does this, it will only take a few hours to make Gaza without a single life. Israel has the ability to do this.
Hamas is responsible for all crimes. No matter how much you read, you are still an idiot.
You seem to have forgotten that it was Hamas that deliberately committed crimes against civilians in Gaza, and Israel was acting in legitimate self-defense. Your fellow countrymen Egypt and Qatar have been trying with the United States to get Hamas to cease fire, but Hamas has rejected the
ceasefire agreement.
You care about babies why don't you condemn Hamas, Hamas has refused ceasefire countless times, you can ask your Arab compatriots Egypt Qatar
This isn’t about Hamas. Whataboutisms does not work for this. Go back to the original point. It is about the babies.
Hamas has also kidnapped two American citizens. If the United States runs out of patience, it may also join Israel in fighting the terrorist Hamas.
If Hamas does not surrender and release the hostages, more people will be hurt, both Palestinians and Israelis.
It's all about Hamas. It's Hamas that started the war, it's Hamas that took the hostages, it's Hamas that starved the babies
I am sure Hamas was able to man the the tanks and tanks helicopters that killed all the Israeli conscripts… the less than 1.2m left? Can they? The starving babies? Can they? You know nothing about the propaganda fed to you that they hide behind.
Do you know what you are in the eyes of Hamas? Useful idiot, another question, if you can choose, would you live in Israel or in Gaza under Hamas? m.youtube.com/watch?v=8LPi...
No, it was a terror attack. Not a genocide.
it’s sad that they fall for the exact same bs as magats (& sometimes even worse). But it is what it is. Drag them, AOC.
This girl committed a political suicide.
Sock accounts can't vote stupid.
Leftists eat their own and the democrat party are hostages of extremist fundamentalists. This is why the party continues to hemorrhage supporters and their approval ratings continue descending.
Say one thing Chuck Schumer did that showed him to be a hostage of “extremist fundamentalists.” I’m curious.
Schumer likely doesn’t believe in what he said during that speech. He is a case of insider rot and a desperate need for congressional term limits and strict trading rules.
His March 2024 Senate speech, where he called for new elections in Israel to replace Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. A sharp shift from his historically strong pro-Israel stance, driven by pressure from groups like Sunrise Movement and UWAD
So asking for a country to have elections is somehow not supporting that country? What if Israel did have elections and elected someone else besides Netanyahu? Would that mean supporting that new government would be anti-Israel?
AOC YOU ARE THIS FUCKING CLOSE OF LOSING MY SUPPORT FOR YOU FUCK ISRAEL 🇮🇱 THATS WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY ITS NOT ANTI SEMITIC WHAT YOU DID IS HORRI BECAUSE ITS 2025 2 YEARS IN A GENOCIDE ITS NOT 2021
They always come back to eat their own…they must be French
I appreciate your support for pro-Palestine candidates. I do wish you’d rethink your position on “defensive” weapons to Israel because when a regime is committing genocide all the resources you give it supports the continuation of that genocide.
Holy hell, a reasonable take. I don't agree with defunding the Iron Dome (thanks to Iran's proxies lobbing rockets at residential areas even before this war), but I can absolutely understand why people are against it for the reason you stated.
For about three seconds I was about to search “AOC Palestine record” on Spotify. I was so excited.
No it doesn’t, you voting to continue arming a genocidal state is disgusting and antithetical to who we thought you were
OMG just shut up. I’m not going to a fucking concentration camp because of you whiney children.
Buddy I’m a communist, we’re the first to go
Yes, her vote on an amendment is what will finally get you the victimhood you so crave. This is her job. If you don't want to see her speak just block her.
If you paid attention to her career you wouldn’t be surprised
AOC:—“What it does do is cut off defensive Iron Dome capacities WHILE ALLOWING THE ACTUAL BOMBS KILLING PALESTINIANS TO CONTINUE.”
“Israel” has no right to defense, they are a genocidal colonial apartheid state
Yea well see Marjorie Taylor Green about it
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time, why doesn’t it upset you that the democrats are being outflanked from the left fucking Margarine fucking Titan Green
Brother, no one hates Corporate Dems like me.
Nazi assets get blocked
We get it; you can't answer for your support for white-supremacism, but pointing that out is "the real Nazism". You can stop proving that you're too cowardly to cop to your failures.
Her vote wouldn’t have made a difference in this case. We can have a nuanced debate around the ethics of providing Israel with Iron Dome munitions to protect civilians vs. how this shields Israel’s government from the consequences of its inhumane actions without engaging in a circular firing squad.
Is that what she did, or do you have an elementary school understanding of civics?
Did you vote in November of 2024? Are you going to vote this year? Any year?
Yes I voted for Kamala, begrudgingly
Great. Glad you participated in our Democracy. Why do you think @aoc.bsky.social is a bad person?
I never said she’s a bad person
You are accusing AOC of voting to arm Israel. She didn’t
She quite literally did, “defensive weapons” are still arms
giving any money to israel is aid to a genocidal and apartheid state
Two-party indirect electoral system is hardly a "Democracy".
We could change it. But only if we vote for the right people.
Ah yes the "do you condemn Hamas" of today The most exhausting stupid shit said by the dumbest people around
vote harder!
This time it’ll be different!
If we keep voting for 75 years maybe you can have rights! Maybe!
Alternative to what exactly?
the alternative to politely refusing polite neutrality
Intransigent acceptance and a refusal to try to do the best option of shit options? That's exactly how I interpret the Anti Democratic stance. Your right.
Well we won’t have to worry about it next go around anyways so there’s that 💁🏻♂️
Build alliances instead of whatever this hell this is. Of course you're going to lose when you don't show up and you don't show an ability to compromise.
Liberals aren’t my ally, you guys believe in capitalism, I do not
"Let us compromise away your human rights. Then, even when you do vote for us, we'll incessantly ask you if you did. And then say you are lying when you say that you did" Liberals are EXHAUSTING
Ya'll refuse to take responsibility for letting the fascist win in November. No wonder we don't take you -- or your pet issues -- seriously.
How did I do that? By voting? Telling everyone I met to vote? I am fully aware that liberals hate trans people. Y'all have made that abundantly clear.
I'll backtrack and say I mean this comment towards the "no votes for genocide" crowd, who are probably the people who are leading the charge against AOC. This overfocus on pressuring our own allies is self-destructive.
But wait did you condemn Hamas for the 124th time today yet? But, please, keep telling me how my human rights are a "pet issue". It's great when libs talk down to minorities.
Pretty sure this is a thread about someone vandalizing a friendly Congresswoman's office over a procedural issue related to Gaza.
but did they condemn Hamas
but did they achieve anything
Piss off
But do you condemn Hamas
Hope you're having fun. That's what's really important here. Goodbye.
But do you condemn Hamas
Do you condemn Mamdani for condemning Hamas?
But you didn't condemn Hamas for the 124th time yet Do you condemn Hamas?
The pressure to condemn Hamas was exerted on people who had not. Being glib is not being human. You've clearly chosen a path.
Spoiler: He/Him didn't. Not only that he's a "hardcore" fan of two professional sports franchises but is somehow also a Marxist.
I did actually, for Kamala
Did your transphobic ass check that, or are you lying?
You're an idiot. It's a click away pal. Transphobic? Wtf are you on about. Because I used this persons preferred pronouns? Or, that I call you all for the gatekeeping little creeps you are, and you call bad man bad name.
I asked if you checked or not. That's to see if you're arguing in good faith (which we all can see you're not now). Transphobic because you tried to turn someone's pronouns (not preferred, just pronouns) into a bit. And, honestly, you're calling the kettle black at this point.
Bullshit. Good faith. You started with,"your transphobic ass" and immediately assumed me a liar. Gatekeepers because thats what all of these little hammer and sickle assholes who have no idea the damage inflicted under that banner, and if anyone is right of fucking Noam Chomsky they're a Nazi.
Checking if you're able to back-up your claims isn't assuming you're a liar. It's literally arguing in good faith. It's not 'gatekeeping' to hold you accountable for yourself, it's the bare fucking minimum in leftist politics. And you were transphobic, so of course I assumed you were an asshole.
I still assume you're an asshole, btw, since you grow unhinged if challenged.
Leftist politics bare minimum says it all. You kids have fun winning all the elections!
It's amazing that you claim that I'm calling you names in the same tweet that you started with 'You're an idiot.' It's not an insult when you've done something transphobic.
Who should have they voted for? The genocidal maniac, or the worse genocidal maniac. How has decades of voting for the lesser of the two evils while stomping out progress made anything better? It’s only led us right here. You’re fighting to pull Republican voters while ignoring the majority
Okay, disregarding the discourse on AOC's vote, not voting is protesting your right to vote. That's it.
No I’m not trying to get Republicans ( idiots, racists, bigots, misogynists, etc ) to vote for Democratic candidates. I would love for the 40% of Americans that don’t vote to actually vote and participate in our democracy. Republicans are traitors.
If you want them to participate give them something besides “our opponent is worse”
Like what? Offer them what? A strong women who was the attorney general of California then a senator from California then the vice president? Versus the guy that is a rapist a child rapist a convicted felon a liar.
youtu.be/dDJa1_fLVeA?...
Universal healthcare, debt free college and pre-k education, ending Americas brutal military industrial complex and prison industrial complex… actual meaningful things other than women of color filling prisons on the behalf of the white suprematists state.
Unfortunately all those things you just offered those idiots are the things that Fox News has brainwashed them into thinking are socialism. But the putting black women into prison… now that’s something those morons would vote for.
So that’s why you kneecap wildly and overwhelmingly popular policies like Medicare for All and universal debt free education? That’s why democrats elevate the worst republicans and fight progressives in their own party than they do the opposition?
Who kneecaps overwhelmingly popular policies? It’s republicans who do that and then blame everything on Obama Hillary and George Soros. Stop believing their lies.
Both do
Nancy Pelosi stood at a podium and said there will never be socialized healthcare in the United States, fuck off entirely. Democrats literally elevated trump and created a bunch of super delegates to disenfranchise actual voters and kneecap progress.
I did And fuck off vichy cuomo dem You smell
Vote shaming is a form of voter suppression, and it is undemocratic. Not all Democrats are democrats, as you demonstrate.
Vote shaming? He didn’t even answer my question? Now if you vote for a pedophile, rapist, traitor… yeah I’ll vote shame you.
Yes I did
Which one?
i vote blue in every election and nothing happens
maybe actually push good candidates who do things
I voted blue too and my reward was watching every swing state shift to red in a matter of hours because the Harris campaign was just soooo fucking bad. You'd think managing to lose Dems the popular vote for the first time in 20 years wouldn't be brushed under the rug so easily.
Perhaps you should look at the lawsuit in Rockland County NY.
If you want to stop then from attacking, you ensure they can't argue they need "defense." So far zero sum screeching has done nothing but accelerate the genocide. So my assumption is that must be the policy goal of the anti-Dem screaming Gaza people. Otherwise, when you're in a hole stop digging.
Lmao, I guess allowing Israeli civilians to be murdered by denying them defensive weapons is okay.
“Sure Nazi germany is doing the holocaust but they still have the right to self defense” -you circa the 1940’s
Yes. Yes, the German citizens had a right not to be mass slaughtered. Dresden was a war crime. We used to agree on that. Wtf are you talking about? Nazi = citizen. In case you don't get it, that's us right now. Our gov't are Nazis. You ready to die?
Yes absolutely, I believe the us should be completely disintegrated
Get therapy. I mean it. You just made a decision for 370 million people without blinking. That's beyond war crime level stuff.
Can you start with yourself ?
Where you at AOC? Haven't seen a post on Bluesky in a while.
Seriously what did you do to piss off putin, he took all the trolls off Hillary duty and put them on you. IT'S WEIRD.
Do you form all your political opinions by assuming other people are bots and supporting whatever the opposite of what they say is? Why is it so hard to believe the left is upset at the continued support for giving funding to Israel?
All of you are just echoing the DSA's official statement and logic. You may think you're all independent moral thinkers, but this behavior is indistinguishable from that of a bot army. For all we know the DSA is just a front for some foreign interest to sow division among American voters.
Funny because I had this opinion before the DSA opinion piece. Maybe if you spent more time thinking for yourself you’d understand other people do it sometimes too
me when I am ignorant: wow this analysis I just made up in my head is really smart
The DSA is absolutely just a front to sow division in Democratic voting blocs.
Did you win Mamdani’s primary?
Because if Gaza supersedes every other issue, then WTF are you doing in here? Why aren’t you volunteering in Gaza? The world is strangling under a fascist cult. And this congresswoman is one of the few voices we have. Shitting all over her in this moment isn’t helping Gazans. Or anyone.
And yes. This hysteria is being amplified by trollfarms. You should be aware when you’re doing the work of fascists.
No, you're just a fucking idiot.
So more slaughtered children is good? This is your position.
Trumps position on Gaza is the same as Bidens, he just doesn't pretend to care. That's the big issue you have. Democrats pretend to feel bad about their atrocities so you can feel better about voting for them. But the reality is you're a worthless coward who doesn't stand for anything. Useless.
What are your thoughts on Biden deporting more people than Trumps first administration, including toddlers? Or his 14 months of full throated support for the slaughter of children in Gaza? His billions in weapons sent, in violation of US law, to Israel to commit genocide?
Weird how every time I mention the atrocities of the people liberals expect me to vote for they always go quiet.
I can see how you might think that since, as previously established, you are stupid. But you see, i actually believed Kamala when she said she would not stop sending weapons to Israel and I tend to think genocide is bad regardless of if theres a D or an R next to the person's name doing it.
Who said Gaza supercedes every issue? Honestly you fucking blue maga babies are just crying because someone was mean to your mommy. Politicians can and should be routinely criticized
Nobody is saying that it supercedes every issue, people are just rightly criticising her for claiming to be pro-Palestinian whilst her voting record is the opposite. Omar and Tlaib are actually pro-Palestinian.
Iron dome is a defensive missile system that protects civilians from incoming ballistic missiles and rockets. It cannot be used as an offensive weapon. Those civilians include Palestinians. Stop falling for divisive propaganda.
If the US stops funding the iron dome, israel will have to divert funds away from killing civilians in order to maintain it, so funding israel's defense is bad because it frees up resources for the IDF to bomb more children's hospitals
But the IDF is paying for Iron Dome.
Subsidized by the US
Again. Regardless of how you want to spin it. Less civilian deaths is good. And any other argument is just barbaric bloodthirsty revenge. And I will not even consider that point of view as valid.
So would you have supported the US financing anti aircraft guns for Nazi Germany? Should we provide anti-drone countermeasures to Russia? If your concern is simply “less civilians dying” why are you only hyper focused on providing protection to israel? Shouldn’t the Palestinians get an iron dome?
Yes. I don’t like it either. But an Iron Dome vote is not something that should generate the unhinged hatred aimed at AOC in this thread. She’s one of the few good ones.
Israel uses the iron dome as protection to allow it to be more offensive without threat of counterattack. It's absolutely used as an offensive weapon if you can look one step past.
I understand the logic. I simply think it’s immoral and revanchist. If a children’s hospital or apartment complex in Ajami is hit by a Qased missile that becomes a specious argument to make.
You are a fucking idiot.
So your claim is that Iron Dome is an offensive weapon? That is not supported by reality. Maybe this will help.
Zero Palestinians have been protected by the "iron dome".
You’ve never been to Israel have you. Ajami in Jaffa is a mostly Palestinian and Arab neighborhood in Tel Aviv. It’s right next to Jabaliyya. It’s where the the Ajami Mosque is. And yes. It is part of the Iron Dome coverage.
Why would I go to an apartheid state? You can't claim that Palestinians are defended by the regime that's occupying their land.
Gaza supersedes any issue because genocide is such a low bar if you can't clear that how can we trust you'll clear any other bar. You show us who you are and we believe you and then get mad when we dont like you.
So then you must be posting this from your volunteer position with doctors without borders in Gaza? Right?
Im not a congressperson
No. Exactly right. And she’s a highly visible and vulnerable brown woman. Trying to fight a fascist cult. One of the few we have. You’re just some asshole on the Internet throwing baseless accusations around because it gives you a dopamine hit. Stop doing the work of fascists.
Voting to keep funding genocide is good but calling out the person doing that is fascism... cool. Just say you dont care about brown people and try to reconcile your relationship with your family. You only have a couple years left.
She didn't vote to fund genocide. She voted against a suspect amendment (by MTG, a white supremacist) to a bill that funded genocide, which she voted AGAINST.
I mean I guess youre right if you wanna argue semantics she didn't vote to send money to a genocidal state but voted not to stop sending money to a genocidal state, thank you for the clarification.
It’s not landing, Trollflake.
Old man, a troll is not someone you disagree with. Don’t use vocabulary you don’t understand
Way to tell on yourself that you can't even clear that bar.
Is me screeching genocide every five seconds going to achieve anything? I’m 62. This is my… 4th? Maybe 5th genocide I’ve lived through. & not even the only one happening now. What is it you want? Me to never support one of the few leftist voices we have? Under a fascist? Yea. Fuck you.
What it is that I want is for us to hold our "leftist voices" accountable. You old fucks let them get away with all this shit, I dont think youre one to talk about how to get things done. Go to bed, we'll fix your mess.
Hahahaha. You haven’t fixed shit. Your entire idea was f action is THIS. You’re not going to do a thing.
If you consider arguing with geriatrics on bluesky "action" thats tells me all I need to know. Im at work, im getting paid for this... whats your excuse?
Hey grandpa just cause you sat on your ass your whole life and now want credit for doing nothing doesn't mean no one else is doing anything. Other people do stuff you dont see. Youre not the center of the universe.
This is genuinely the most unhinged thing I've ever seen. Grandpa, if you want to keep throwing brown people under the bus go for it, I hope AOC notices you. I can't do that. Have fun voting for your "leftists" im gonna go outside and do stuff.
That’s the most unhinged thing you’ve ever seen? Clearly you haven’t even scrolled this thread. You’re barking up the wrong tree. & my quota of dealing with fascists is up. You want to attack a brown woman trying to help you then you’re a fucking piece of shit.
Super crazy your generation completely fucked the country and our political apparatus and you’re over here trying to argue that clearly you know whats best. Why hasn’t your generation accomplished any significant left wing economic work? Why did you let the unions get destroyed?
✔️ad hominem ✔️ false choice ✔️ bad faith
"why aren't you volunteering in gaza?" way to tell the world you have no idea whats happening.. but that won't stop you from having opinions about it
Sorry. No longer taking troll applications at this time. And my flight has landed. You’re going to have to screech sanctimonious gibberish at another account.
Fuck off bot
Lmao little baby can’t handle people having different opinions than him. Has to pretend they’re fake.
I hope you're a bot because if you're real, trolling about the people suffering in Palestine is fucking low
I hope you have a family that loves you. They can support you through the delusions you’re experiencing
get a real pfp and name then claiming others are bots🥴
I wish i was a bot, then I wouldn’t feel the visceral frustrations of communing with my fellow unwashed masses
It's hard to believe that because a year ago you guys were saying that the president could end the genocide with a stroke of a pen, but now that a Democrat isn't president you're going around badgering representatives (so long as they're democrats).
Why do you think republicans would listen to leftists? We aren’t their prospective voting base. Do you just want to see leftists get brutalized by the police and military on television or something?
"Why is it so hard to believe that we continue to be opposed to genocide? The only reason we don't say it out loud anymore is because it's dangerous to protest under a Republican administration" Wow, great politics.
We literally are saying it out loud though. How about instead of deflecting you tell me what you think increased protests against primarily republicans is likely to accomplish?
You're saying it on blue sky to a democratic representative. A year ago, leftists were setting themselves on fire and getting arrested all over the country to stick it to Joe Biden. So you tell me what the purpose of all this is. Because it certainly isn't about going after the president anymore.
You sound both completely uninformed and largely confused. Let see if I can explain even the most basic of concepts to you. “The left” is made up of people. Different people have different opinions and do different things. People can criticize and still be resisting power simultaneously
>"The left" is made up of people And bots, them too.
Bots take every position include anti-left democrat positions like yours. If you’re gonna see bots behind every opinion you don’t agree with, get off the fucking internet
Hey moron, the people that were anti-genocide under Biden are still anti-genocide under Trump. The truth that he could end it with a phone call is still in play.
literally yes
epstein got 'em all twisted.
I'm Polish you freak, don't ever fucking accuse people like me of being a "russian bot". Your account looks more bot than me, who has a verified online footprint.
AOC, I believe that you act in good faith. You are one of the only politicians I trust and believe. You have been consistent and done the intelligent and empathetic thing time and again. Keep up the good work. The world is depending on it.
Talk about stupid.
😢 Aw. Poor little you can’t figure out reality. Sorry, I know it’s difficult.
Reality is protecting a genocidal settler-colony?
The reality is that by taking down AOC for something she is NOT doing only protects Donald Trump. Why are you so intent on keeping him in power?
Ah, so you are the 'vote blue, no matter who' type! This country will never escape the two party corporate oligarchy with shitlib thoughts like this.
And that is why there is only two parties in this system.
Conservatives: “I disagree with 99% of my candidate’s ideas, but because I agree with this one issue that he promotes, I will vote for him.” Leftists: “I agree with 99% of what the liberal candidate says, but I disagree with her on this one issue, so I will never vote for her.
No. I am not. But I do realize that reality has no “perfect” candidate.
You're so dumb.
What’s it like going through the world with the brain of a 4-year-old who can’t comprehend reality? Must be sad. Or are you protecting your pedophile president against people who are an actual threat to him, like AOC? Is that why you want to take her down? So, he won’t be exposed?
You guys think there are only two faction, dem and rep? Did you even know that liberals are center-right wing and not leftists?
What's it like to going through the liberal mental gymnastics to never hold a self-proclaimed progressive politician accountable for her voting choices directly and indirectly in favor of a genocide?
What’s it like always tearing down progressives’ best hope for change? You like constantly losing and never having a contender? The problem with leftists is that they always want “perfect” candidates. You are the very reason we only have two possibilities. The Right won through incremental change.
The leftists always want INSTANT change and they are always going to lose that way.
Yeah, and what did voting for dems since 90s brought us? More privatization and more funding to the police state. Idiot!
Still waiting for that evidence.
*bring
Voting yes or no is in fact instantaneous. They take the same amount of time.
The genocide is going on now and AOC voted to keep it going. What timeframe do you envision for stopping human extermination going on right now? How many more hundreds of thousands of Palestinians do you want to see die before stopping it feels at all urgent to you?
She voted no on the bill. Why are you being disingenuous about this? She did not vote to continue genocide. I question which side you’re working on. You seem intent on spreading misinformation.
I love how the bare minimum standard for leftist's candidate is just anti-imperialist, anti-genocide, and anti-capitalist. And the liberals still think we are asking for 'perfection'. Lol.😂
Point to where she is pro-genocide. Where is your evidence?
You are so dumb that it's incredible!
Never call her progressive ever again.😂 She keeps defending a genocidal white settler-colony's right to exist. She's at the end of the day a liberal. A pro-capitalist centre-right winger.
If that is you honestly believe, then I am glad that I can 100 percent say that with that attitude and low grasp of reality that you and your fellow believers will never achieve true power. You sabotage yourselves.
Lol, liberalism is literally right of center ideology. The left starts at anti-capitalism. Go read a book!
Nah she's right, AOC is a Catholic, she's a universal moralist. I don't think Israeli civilians should be defended at all, but unfortunately AOC believes that most Israeli civilians are innocent & deserved to be defended.
Ah the catholics! Famous for being the most well behaved people in history.👀
Sweet summer child
Bruh why is the left eating itself??? Ostracizing AOC for one thing when there are actual villians in Congress to focus energy on in actual insanity.
Because she turned out to be a renegade, and renegades are much more dangerous than open enemies.
I can only shake my head at those who reject an entire people because of their leaders. Some leaders are good, some are bad. The people don't always choose wisely. But consider: Given Netanyahu --> hate Israelis/Jews/Semites. Also means: Given Trump --> hate Americans.
I mean... kinda yeah! Signed, The rest of the planet
it's bad to give money to the apartheid state committing a child holocaust. sorry that this is too difficult for liberals to understand
How else would self-righteous pricks feel good about themselves if they couldn’t tear down the people who are actually trying to do some good.
That’s because there is no left. Communist flank (which includes “Democratic Communists” or whatever trojan moniker they’re using this week) see liberals as an enemy - more so that fascists, with whom they’re allied at dismantling liberal democracy. and as usually they’re too busy with purity tests
So directly supporting genocide isn't enough to make a person a villain in your eyes?
then don't appease actual villains
It's been well known for over a decade that most of the extremely rage-baity comments on social media are from professional trollfarms. Their goal is to "both sides" everything so Democrats don't show up to vote
source: I made it the fuck up Actual reason:
The PR campaigns funded by the Gulf States, Iran, Russia and China are starting to pay off. The only silver lining is that it totally debunks the anti-Semitic trope that "the Jews control the media."
I'm in the half that says #FuckNetanyahu
what does this have to do with people on social media exploding in anger at AOC for voting No on an amendment to a bill that would've saved zero Palestinian lives, on a bill that she also voted No on overall?
Because people want the leadership to take the maximum position the voter base supports? I'm not saying I agree with the exact anger but the reason is right there and its not troll farms. Combine Israel's favorability with this:
and any time someone says money to israel people are going to start yelling because we live under rights constantly disappearing with taxes going to a genocide. The missles to defend a genocidal nation aren't a good look. Again I'm just pointing out why this is organically happening and
blaming stuff on bot farms when the numbers clearly explain the scenario going on.
Im tired of the genocidal vichy dems too Not as tired as I am of Anarchists and Communists fighting progessives instead of nazis BYE nazi asset
Just to be clear, you're saying this is a hallucination? www.france24.com/en/technolog...
That the article you're linking has to do with the genuine outrage you're seeing in the replies on bsky, yes.
so you don't think Israeli troll farms, which have admitted to trying to undermine pro-Palestinian politicians on social media, would have anything to do with using social media to undermine AOC, who is pro-Palestine?
they’re trying to gaslight you. it’s obvious that some of this is bot farms
Yeah for sure, it's not a quickly introduced amendment by MTG that she didn't get to communicate with her colleages on, it's all obvious to people who ignore how generally unhappy the voting base is with democrats and israel. Not everything is a conspiracy, sometimes people just make voting
the number of missiles the bill amendment would have defunded: 0
Did I claim anything about that? Or did I explain peoples frustration and how it probably isn't a bot farm you hallucinated.
Because she's a woman, and the fandom of a popular streamer known for his misogyny and lack of nuance told his fans that she did a bad thing without considering context or meaning. We have to stop treating politics like fandom, and guys like Hassan need to be more thoughtful.
bot farms, hasan piker, man someone get in here and blame socialisim, Or maybe, hear me out, people are really upset about Israel, the vote was whipped really quickly and AOC made an unpopular vote for a minor amendment that failed. It's okay, the world will turn.
I do not think in any universe that support for the Iron Dome is unpopular. That is defensive only. It protects civilians from bad actors. A whole lot of people sound more like teenage stans going after their faves rival than adults considering the fate of humans.
You think that the missiles are strictly defensive? Do you understand how munitions work? Why does Israel need to defend it's self? Is it because they keep bombing their neighbors?
Do you think people think we should subsidize the defense of a genocidal nation for 500bn dollars? You think that is a popular take? When most people will never be able to afford a home.
.... It is really troubling when people post online like experts when they don't understand a sitiation at even a basic level. The ignorance of this statement, from not understanding anti-missile tech to having zero comprehension of MENA politics, history is staggering.
I’d like to see ONE Gazan that these assholes have saved. Just one.
That's not difficult. There are Palestinian refugees in the US, others who've gotten aid, gotten out because of ngo and gfm funds. This is not zero sum. There are a lot of people posting through ignorance about the Iron Dome, and others who are clearly performative, but this response is unnecessary
If it wouldn't have worked why was she afraid to vote Yes
She voted no on an amendment that would have defunded the Iron Dome. In effect, she said, "If this bill passes, I don't want it to take funding from Israel." The rest of the progressives in Congress voted for the amendment.
This person later called me a big doofus and said "no its money for the international aid pool" and then said that I sounded like maga repeatedly because I keep standing ten toes down saying I don't really gaf about aocs vote because it didn't matter, but also there is a justifiable through line to
the publics response. It's honestly baffling to me that people will see a negative reaction, see the dnc's attempt in the last pres race, and go NO THIS PERSON IS INFALLIBLE IT MUST BE THE PEOPLE. Like I get it, you respect someone, you expect things. I like AOC as much as you can an elected
official, she mostly votes in ways I understand and agree with. But at the end of the day people act like people have to be 100% in lock with the ELECTED official. Thats not how cedeing your power via vote works, thats not how its supposed to work unless you're treating the voters under the
mantle of them being unwashed masses that cannot understand the leaders lofty and infallible positions and movements towards their goals. I'm not even arguing with these people on the merits of the outrage because I'm pretty neutral on it as it was 0 sum. But when people are just like no, its bot
farms, no you're just stupid. Are just ignoring the reality of how Americans broadly feel, especially americans that see AOC as a politician who represents them and their ideals broadly.
#naziasset Bye
Also mega unfollowed I dont do nazi lovers
I don't know or care who you are and I hate Nazis you dumb fuckwad.
Weird to announce you're a nazi asset and just say "bye" but you do you.
The Left doesn't get a free pass just because they're "not as bad" as the other side.
So how much heat are the rest of the democrats getting? Zero. Progressive get shit from all sides.
Can't speak for others, but I've been FAR more critical of other Democratic so-called "leadership". On this very subject, as well as many others.
I love the infantile view of the world, “villians in congress”. I want you to have a word with the global south about the states, before those “villians” were in congress.
That one thing is genocide. You're making it sound like a minor issue. Might be to you but not for many of us on the left.
Says it all that you think facilitating white-supremacist colonial genocide is just "one thing". Karl Popper and history have proven that there's no "just a little, please?" with fascists like yourself.
If you aren't willing to criticize your leadership, you probably aren't left. It's a distinctly anti left position.
Lol in the US the majority of the left are Dems. Tankies have legitimately 0 power in US politics because their ideas are fucking trash and unpopular.
And that's why Americas gonna collapse
Then why do you guys care so much?
Genocide???
No, about the left. If she isn't really part of the left, why do you give a shit?
You mean, why should they care what AOC does if she’s not one of them? Or are you positing that their ideology should entail the complete disdain of procedural democracy?
Yes, the first one. But I think the second thing you said is broadly true of many of her critics.
Well, taking those assumptions, 1. it's clear that AOC has a prominence as a progressive and popular political figure - therefore her positions are often a starting point of awareness & understanding for those they are presumably trying to reach or critique.
2. Even if one doesn't believe in the value or workable participation in the democratic processes, it's undeniable that the actors involved have either access, audience, represents or has direct responsibility for the actions of the state/govt & its policies, so 'caring'/critique have purpose.
(trying not to speak on behalf of others. I'm sure the varied left in question would have their own, more refined and particular answers.)
Using Soviet imagery doesn't make you "on the left". It makes you a stupid piece of shit.
Lol don't argue with me on bluesky I use it for quote tweet format
Who the FUCK gives a shit what nazi assets and lying toilet anarchists call the left?
This.... every fucking time. Despite my disagreement on her 1 vote, WE should be building numbers... purity tests are for after we stop fascism. And I AM IN FAVOR OF PRIMARIES from the left to keep the dems in check. This dividing the squad is not productive right now.
Honestly I'm English I'm just mad she was compared to Zarah Sultana bsky.app/profile/zara...
Neither are Bernie, AOC, or Mamdani apparently
Bernie and AOC are both zionists, so yes, they are not on the left. Mamdani is TBD, his talk is good but we have to see his walk when he gets power.
now you get it
Cool story, bro.
I think it's the other way around, tbh. I wasn't the one getting Bernie tattooed on my body or claiming he was divinely ordained as a savior because a bird landed on his podium one time. I was the one saying he is just a politician like all politicians and should be treated as such.
So nobody is except you. Got it.
theyre liberals.
Correct
Americans so brain broken they think there are capitalists on “the left.”
And by capitalist, you of course mean anyone who doesn't share your goal of an immediate, violent overthrow of our political and economic systems Which means you and all six of your friends are the real "left"
All states are coercive instruments of class rule. We merely want to abolish the bourgeois state, and build workers' power, which is to say the workers' state, to dominate our class enemies. That is what states do.
I'll believe you when you start labor striking.
If you want to work outside the electoral system then go nuts. But I'm not going to lie about how abysmal your chances are. And you should remember how frequently revolutionary governments descend into despotism (it's a lot)
Do you want to abolish the bourgeois state? Or do you just want to enjoy the benefits of living in the center of a colonial capitalist empire without having to feel guilty about it?
Immediate, violent overthrow of our political and economic systems? Count me in.
There aren't enough of you guys to fill a small baseball stadium and the only thing you seem to care about is posting. But good luck out there.
Yeah let’s preserve income inequality, genocide, fascism, and climate change! What a clueless stooge. Ask people if they want their basic needs met and a good quality of life and I bet they say yes. Ask people if they want genocide I bet they say no.
You are a PSL supporter. Your opinion is completely worthless.
No I mean people who want to preserve capitalism via watered down new deal shit. We need real communist reforms. But generally speaking the people with hysterical reactions like yours have the most to lose from actual communism so you pretend capitalism with guardrails is ‘real’ communism.
Yeah, you got me. I'm Laurence-Rapiste DuPont's great great grandson. I pay for my Portland loft with money we got straight from Bob McNamara. How did you guess??
But for the record if I wanted a huge bloody revolution to overthrow the existing structures I’d take you up on it and eat you. Probably grilled and dipped in Worcestershire sauce. Depending on the fattiness. 😘
I grew up on a palatial estate in a whites-only enclave in the Bay Area, where I ate only foie gras and caviar until I was 17. So, very fatty.
So you’re just a bootlicker. Sad.
Goodness, no. When you're this rich, you can just pay someone to lick the boot for you
Most intelligent american
Are you still paying taxes to a government assisting in genocide? If so, doesn't that make you complicit in genocide?
Dumbest argument ever.
And if an Israeli who opposes the war refuses to serve in the IDF they go to jail too. Are you saying that's a good enough excuse to be complicit in genocide? All AOC did was say Israelis who oppose the war shouldn't be punished for actions they don't support.
No, they should go to jail otherwise they’re shooting babies. My options are “pay taxes like most everyone else” or go to prison for tax evasion. No baby killing involved. Morality isn’t hard unless you want it to be sorta like fascists and the people like you who echo their nonsense.
If MY options were “jail” or “compulsive participation in a genocide” I’d choose jail. Every time. Because “not a soulless monster.”
Your taxes are paying for the bombs to kill the babies, actually.
Sorry America
With allies like you, who needs hemorrhoids?
Obama was the first "ally" of the last era. Look up his legacy both parties are a fucking. SHAM Patrick
Lazy effort, Vlad. No potato for you.
You literally support Israeli genocide lmao 🤣 LMAO OMG
God, you people are exhausting. You're talking about the most serious thing in the world and you use a cry laugh emoji?
Can't imagine criticizing someone for saying genocide is bad. We've reached absurd immoral takes at subhuman levels. It's deserved ridicule for the disrespect of human life.
I'm criticizing you for moral preening. Cost-free, drive-by performative activism that does absolutely nothing but feed your own ego. Honestly, with the emoji and the "LAMO" one of the worst, most disturbing examples I've seen.
It's hilarious how all you brainwormed twunts' ignorant noise led not only to worse things for Ukraine and nearly everyplace else on earth, but also for Gaza. 🫡
Liberals aren't the Left. Liberals like you are right wing genocidal Zionist filth.
AOC voted against MTG’s amendment because it was just a stunt. Cutting the Iron Dome only takes away a defensive shield, it doesn’t stop bombs from being sent to Gaza. That would’ve meant more civilians at risk, not less.
Sure scum. Anything but seeing your crappy genocide enablers for what they are. mondoweiss.net/2024/11/the-...
AOC I’m solidly behind you! It doesn’t matter what your religion is! It doesn’t matter who you advocate for! If wanting a genocide to stop is bad then I’m on the side of stopping the genocide! Killing people who have no weapons and no military to fight back with is immoral in so many ways !
Then why are you simping for AOC when she voted against the amendment?
I think a lot of your critics have been unfair to you. But this vote was a mistake. You should acknowledge that.
Coward…
Nazi lover
Being anti genocide is the exact opposite of being a Nazi you dolt
So create a bill demanding that the US cut all ties with Israel. INCLUDING to stop sending $500 million to fund Israel’s Iron Dome. Also, it doesn’t matter if MTG was the one that created it. You still said that Israel should defend itself with OUR WEAPONS
Literally everyone knew, because Israel announced that they were going to do that in October 2023, and immediately started doing it.
🇵🇸 we love you 🇺🇸
I'm not sure what's going on. The amendment to provide more funding for Israel was a stunt?
It was meant to be a "gotcha". it cut funding for Israel's iron dome defensive missiles but funded the missiles they're using to attack Gaza. MTG knew Dems would vote no and idiots would shout "see! The Dems are just as bad!!" As seen in this comment section.
Yo why this syntax quite resembles orange guy’s truth social dumps, worded better tho “How dare you hold me accountable” ahh post Fucking hell..
What did I miss?
Leftists are purity testing again. Some thing, different day.
I love when a woman knows her place.
Did you vote against MTG's amendment because you didn't want to be seen agreeing with anything that she did? There's no difference between defensive weapons and offensive weapons. That's a fake distinction. They're all WEAPONS and they should be voted DOWN. I'm disappointed in you.
you're getting primaried regardless anyways so bon-voyage. progressives should never give Israel anything.
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Are you working tirelessly on your record on Palestine?
fuck you
Heyyyyyy, did you maybe call your colleagues on the phone to talk 1:1 before posting about them?
You tell'em 🤨
🗣 Purists: “Voting isn’t marriage – it’s public transport. You are not waiting for ‘the one’ who is absolutely perfect. You are getting the bus. And if there isn’t one going exactly to your destination, you don’t stay at home…you take the one going closest to where you want to be.” - Paul Tambyah
Just so you know, you can never satisfy this beast. You'd make more headway if you worked on pressuring Hamas to give up the hostages and end things. More importantly, though, maybe just focus on your constituents and the American people, which is where your true strengths are.
Are you legitimately so naive that you think returning hostages would "end things" at this point? It was never about the hostages.
Of all the misfortunes the Palestinian people face, their sometimes well-meaning and often misguided supporters are among the worst.
Anyway, I’m muting this thread. As usual, not a single interesting or well informed counter-argument. It’s boring and I’m not interested in trolling uninformed keyboard neophytes.
Extermination at the hands of an occupying fascist settler-colonial state isn't misfortune, it's genocide.
You missed a few buzz words. Keep going (I’m muting you, but go off, please)
I'm right though aren't I.
Explain where he's wrong
In person or on on the phone I would have a reasoned conversation. I’d talk about how I hope the war would end soon and that a Palestinian state would follow. And much more. But it’s social media. There’s no point. Cheers.
No no, dont shrivel up now. Defend a genocide with your chest. How could a Palestinian state happen if they stopped fighting, like you said they should?
huh bsky.app/profile/lipa...
You aren’t seriously saying Palestinian activists and supporters are a worse misfortune than bombs and star actor. The actual fuck
I personally think the mass murders are way worse
True, Hamas is worse. But ya’ll are fans and you encourage them to continue while you sit on your couch in safety.
Ah yes, the people fighting for their right to exist, they're the bad guys for sure.
It’s amazing how much more they would exist if they stopped fighting
So let me get this straight, your position is that the people experiencing a holocaust should just roll over and accept it. Why the fuck should they do that, exactly?
Zionists gonna be fuckwads as usual
white colonist " Israel"ops for AOC, how could this have happened...
100%
The beast of not wanting to send weapons to do genocide
No one cares what toilet licker nazi asset anarchists want
Look at his hat!
Rat in a hat
They tried in exchange for a ceasefire and Isreal refused. Israel has over 9000 Palestinian hostages.
We both know you don’t believe that
It's an uncontested fact you racist melt.
Ok sure
I wish I wasn't right.
Oh you can get fucked with this bullshit
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yeah, look at who are defending her here
Shut the fuck up cracker
Yeah fuck Israel and fuck you. Genocide isn't okay
Beautifully said. Eloquent and convincing.
"It's so mean that you guys won't let me have a *little* white-supremacism." Even @aoc.bsky.social has admitted by default that she can't claim to have opposed genocide. You're either against fascism, or you're for it. If you don't like that, argue with Karl Popper and history.
Do you condemn the IDF?
The US societal division is spilling over worldwide via BSKY and others. Discriminating good and bad by looking at who's pro Palestine and pro Israel is plain stupid, and I don't want that elsewhere, thanks.
You're a member of one of the most exclusive and powerful institutions in the history of the world. Every vote counts.
Your record isn't great, it being one of "the strongest" is bad actually.
Your record is exactly what makes your commentary about supporting the Iron dome so disappointing. Trying to weasel out of it and attacking valid criticism is only making it worse
What’s disappointing about supporting the Iron Dome? I don’t think letting Israeli civilians get blown up is going to make things better for Palestinians.
Israel is very belligerent because they have the iron dome. They can strike whatever country they want because they know the Iron Dome will protect them from retaliation.
Israel, rightly or wrongly, believes it will be attacked regardless of what it does in Gaza or the West Bank. If Israel feels more vulnerable, it will become more aggressive not less. We’d get a preemptive strike on Iran similar to what Israel performed on Egypt in 1967.
Source
I don’t give a fuck what they think, and even if they were right, they deserve it. Take every penny from these ghouls.
Ok, so Israel gets attacked and then they retaliate and even more civilians die on all sides. Great. What a fantastic outcome.
Dawg, I hate to break it to you, but until Israelis are forcibly, and I mean forcibly, stripped of their status as a country, they will never stop killing.
What’s the invasion plan going to look like? How are we planning on getting rid of the nukes? If this is what has to be done then you need to talk about it seriously. We’ll need troops on the ground, some plan for “nation building”, and an exit strategy. Hope it goes better than Afghanistan!
Nothing, no one's taking about invading or getting rid of nukes. Why not address the sensible points people are actually making?
He said we need to forcibly remove their status as a country. How else was I supposed to interpret that? He even doubled down on emphasising the word FORCIBLY.
No one needs to invade, we just need to stop sending them our tax dollars to fund their wars of extermination, nature will take care of the rest.
You literally said we need to forcibly remove their status as a country and then emphasised the word forcibly. What on earth do you mean if you don’t mean invade, or similar military action? Is the plan just to let Israel fight it out with Iran and hope for the best? That would be utter carnage.
Also there is no country on earth I’d trust less with a nuke than Israel. Hamas should take them. Iran, whoever.
It's part of Israel's strategy of invading and exterminating all of their neighbors, there's nothing defensive about it.
I think Israel would only become more aggressive if more Israeli civilians were being killed.
When Iran was taking down buildings in Israel there was a jump in anger against the Israeli government, you'd be wrong.
When Hamas broke through Israel’s defences on October 7th, support for the government and hostility against Palestinians surged. That had a real and horrific impact. What impact did the “jump in anger” you’re referring to have? Seems like things have only gotten worse since then.
Oct. 7th was nothing but pretext for Israel to ramp up their holocaust against the Palestinian people. Israeli's don't actually care about those that died because so many of them were killed by Israel themselves. Iran's attacks were proof that Israelis will face consequences for their aggression.
why do we need to be funding it when we have crumbling infrastructure and unaffordable housing domestically? The issue is that this is what our government prioritizes funding for: a war we're not even technically involved in
By that logic you must have cheated on the cuts to USAid.
Israel is illegally occupying the Palestinian Territories so giving them these anti missile systems provides them with immunity to bomb Gaza with no fear of reprisal . The appropriate response would be to end the occupation 🇵🇸
Her record isn’t even great. HR 888, H.R. 5323 (which she apologized for, apparently that was a lie) and H.Amdt. 55 to H.R. 4016 all directly constraint the Palestinian cause and their freedom. She has never, not a single time, addressed her vote on hr 888.
Just want to add any time hr888 has been brought up to her, she points to a different vote instead.
*contradict
There are all sorts of gotcha vote games that go on in Congress to spark problems.
And what kept her from voting yes on this one when the other progressive congress people had no issue? What’s the “gotcha” exactly?
Not sure, but her vote any way or not voting on the item wouldn’t have materially changed a thing.
The gotcha was that she would be opening herself up to (false) attacks of anti semitism when she runs for president. She has a history of voting in favor of defense aid to Israel. She thinks a nation she agrees is genocidal deserves defense money lol. Turncoat shit.
I know a lot of these are bots. But those of you who think you will agree with anyone 100% of the time, are insane. You are in a constant attack mode and consequently you find pleasure in eating your very own. You all need to stop
there's a huge distance between purity politics and basic human decency.
When is it appropriate, in your mind, to voice disagreements?
Voicing disagreement is a bit different than the people shrieking that she's a genocidal monster who is now "the enemy."
And, pray tell us...what is the appropriate tone for opposing genocide? Since you appear to think you are the "reasonable" expert here.
No. Please. No. Stop. I wish you wouldn't. Aww. Come on. That's enough. Ok. No more. Please. I said "please." Aw shucks. This is dissappointing.
ah, ok. So we're tone policing. Why do you feel like politicians deserve measured support? How do you suppose folks can make the urgency of the situation clear without "shrieking" at politicians? Do you disagree that sending money to Israel is funding genocide?
I will continue to criticize politicians as they work for me, not the reverse. Welcome to representative government
We all should hold our representatives accountable. Constructive criticism is always welcome. But what good is it going to do you if you destroy the ones who support your cause in the process?
Exactly.
What good does it do for her to keep on fucking up these votes?
Love 2 dehumanize my posting opponents to prove my moral superiority
In these times, its better to save that energy for the nazis currently in the white house. People still dont know how to put up a unified front despite disagreements in the face of actual fascism.
Idk I feel like a lot of these issues would have fixed themselves if people had unified on the side against genocide
Yeah, and now there are concentration camps where immigrants, normal people, are made to eat from the floor like dogs. There are people being dissapeared. They have destroyed the department of education. They are cutting billions from medicaid. Its an emergency. Focus on who is enabling that.
And if anybody had come out against the genocide during the election, we might have avoided all that. Not a failure of the voters but of the politicians. Personally I'm not naive enough to believe AOC is genuine here
I'm going to be frank and say you should put your grievances aside, the republicans are dismantling your democracy and destroying everything that keeps the average person alive, giving what remains to billionaires so they can rule you and own you.
So why didn't democrats do anything to combat this? Then or now? I'm gonna be real frank with you: simping for politicians just enables them. You are helping them get away with doing nothing.
I think you'd get a lot further demanding more from politicians, who's job is to serve us, rather than voters, the vast majority of which understand that the Democrats are only providing excuses, like now
What use is yelling at Nazis? They won’t change. However it’s people like AOC who should know better
That’s sounds like a choice to take the easy way out. The equivalence of saying, why go after the arsonist when there is a fireman right there that I can attack.
In such a ridiculous scenario I could maybe do something about the arsonist. AOC in this instance is the fireman who won’t use the hose
How about substituting ‘should’ for ‘could maybe’. The scenario is not ridiculous. Democracy is on fire and we know who the arsonists are. You are smart enough to know I am sure that if you lose democracy everything else dies with it.
Voting to continue subsidizing Israel’s war machine is not a defense of democracy
Its really important to focus on the people creating harm in this country, like stephen miller, peter thiel, steve bannon et al, instead of increasing animosity towards politicians that are on our side and are really fighting for us. Are you a bot?
It’s actually better to focus your energy on where change is at all possible. You should be able to identify bots on your own
I actually agree with your first point. Because it is possible to change all this bs if we're all together. And you know how to generate change? Through an unified and focused front that demands it, with a plan. I recommend you look for indivisible.
Or maybe give AOC the benefit of the doubt because she's fucking earned it.
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I don't swear fealty to politicians
Having common sense isn't the same as fealty. Being reflexively contrarian is just as bad as being blue MAGA.
I’m being “reflexively contrarian” for criticizing AOC’s vote on the amendment to continue funding the Iron Dome? The defense system that enables Israel to attack whoever they want without repercussions? Any monetary or military support of Israel is untenable. AOC should understand this.
Do you even live in New York's 14th district?
I do not However, that does not have any relevance
Yes, it is relevant. All politics is local. She is the representative of the people in NY 14th. If they don’t like her position on issues they can vote her out. Your only option is to trash her on bsk
Well according to roehampton, that means you're not even a human being I hope you're happy
I’m a bot apparently
thats silly. you dont say this to people who give feedback to their coworkers or teammates etc. how else will she know what wethe voters won't put up with during times of possible compromise come up during her career. genocide is something I will not put up with shouldn't be that radical of a take
That’s crazy talk. Do you honestly believe, or intend to imply that AOC condones genocide?
They are bots and yes, they are crazy.
From the outside it appears that the Democratic Party leadership is rather successful at its attempts to silence you and others on the topic.
The inability of people to process the complexity of how it all works is always a sad moment. Keep doing the work. Thank you.
What is complex? Aoc voted no to an amendment that would curb military aid to Israel. Is the complexity the live streamed genocide? Is it that the bill author is MTG? Or is the complexity that the aid is primarily “defensive weaponry? Because I could clear up any of those complexities for you.
Well, I would for you love to explain why AOC would sign off on this legislation when, by her statement above, she has been a supporter of Palestinian rights 🤔 I'm guessing she has pro-Israel constituents.
Aoc postures like she has a great record on Palestine to appeal to her mostly pro Palestine base. In action though, she oftentimes sides with Israel. Like on an antisemitism bill, this cutting funding to Israel amendment, or just standing behind Biden while he perpetrated a genocide.
Thanks for replying... It's a big problem that I saw in 2024. I, too, grappled with this in 2024 knowing Biden/Harris were not going to break ties w/Israel over Gaza/Palestinian human rights. We have to take Congress in 2026...I'm afraid this issue will cause Dems to lose votes.
Democrats, if they want to win congress, should seriously consider taking a Palestine position close to zohran mamdani. The pro Palestine position is so unbelievably popular because it’s pro truth and pro justice and common sense.
I'm hopeful for 2026...the pro-Israel lobbyists & organizations have a strong hold in Congress & the media. I think if we focus on the fact that Israel's govn is controlled by right-wing opportunists, only interested in maintaining power. Anti-Semitism is used here as a distraction from Israel/Gaza
is this the small donors funded campaign? 🥴
Yeah, you were on the wrong side on this one and all it does is hurt everyone except literal fascists. A part of this is accountability. Holding up past work to dodge accountability is the wrong move and makes you look worse.
It's the kind of move a slimy politician would make; like all politicians, while she's shaking your hand, she's got her other hand in your pocket.
I don't think this is the case, but it's also an indicator that our elected officials are not here to rescue us (I say as I am running for office). Undoubtedly there's an echo chamber on capital hill, and an intense amount of pressure to go "But Israel has a right to defend itself." But it doesn't.
Agree to disagree on AOC. It's not an echo chamber if it's funded. Look up AIPAC to see why the democrats champion Israel; not all of them receive money openly.
Wow, you're a fucking shill. You have no morals, you're chasing filthy money like every other fucking politician we have. Fuck off you traitorous oligarch.
Defund police but genocide OK. Police can't get funds to kill blacks for sport but Gazans pass for white so your're not a racist when you starve & burn'em alive. It'd be different if they were LGBT Latinas. Just don't say "redskin". Call'em antisemites so sports fans can whoop'em long as no slurs
Be glad it was just a stunt, maybe? Because people feel like they're running out of options to be heard.
Hamas is the enemy not Israel. www.facebook.com/afalkhatib/v...
Israel is murdering people seeking aid after starving them for months at a time. Israel is bombing hospitals and apartment complexes in residential areas. Hamas is wrong, and Israel is committing genocide.
When you cried after voting "present" on the original Iron Dome vote, was that because you were proud of it? I think you were trying your best to balance a bunch of different concerns, and were not at all certain you'd gotten that right. For good reason. Was it worth it?
To expose nazi asset tankies like you? Youbetcha Bye
I'm afraid to ask what you think "tankie" means.
That Zionist is obviously MOSSAD. Hopefully see it (the Zioscum) face to face.
I picture you yelling this at a woman on the bus.
Yeah, well we don't
Until October 7, you were my favorite politician and I was hoping you'd make a presidential run. You have lost me on this issue. You are siding with a cause based primarily on the genocide of Jews. No one is demanding "Palestinian" political rights in Jordan which is ruled by a Hashemite minority.
lol ain't nobody gullible enough to be buying the hasbara you're selling you dipfuck dumb bot you'd think by now you assholes would recognize how fucking hollow and dumb you sound, but then again here you are trying it anyway 🫵🤣 fuck you Md your war criminal country you gross fat pig
Wut?
sounds like disagreements are not fine
