Welcome home and thank you for your service, HUA!
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Welcome home and thank you for your service, HUA!
You say that like its a bad thing, that I do not desire to be manipulated to support violence against innocents, that I do not want to be enraged by a video designed to enrage one to support thier side. Have you never asked yourself why this war angers you, but all the others never deserve thought?
I am choosing not to be manipulated by video INTENDED to incite people. That is how prpaganda works. If you are so sold on Israels position why have you not flown there and joined the IDF? You are just incensed enough to spread their propaganda for them, to rail on social media in order to incite
Because that is their propaganda, like I said, it is all fucking propaganda in a war zone, each serving the ends of its side. I am not IN that conflict and see no valid reason to subject myself to their propagandas. I won't support either side.
I have no need to watch the propaganda of either side, because in a war zone it is ALL propaganda designed to incite and evoke an emotional response to benefit one side or the other. The reality is only seen in hindsight because of the fog of war.
I am not calling you emotional, it is not a put down, its an observation. This particular topic evokes emotions in you, am I wrong?
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Corrupt to the core. 🤦♀️☮️💙🌊
I like Robert DeNiro.
Me too, Doetrich Bonehoffeer, philosopher, was executed in 43 for a failed plot to assassinate Hitler. He postualted "functional stupidity",not to be confused with supidity, as an explantion for why so many went along with the Riech. Neuroscience proved him right www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfek...
— in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical — and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental." Dietrich.Bonehoffer www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfek...
"Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. . .Against stupidity we are defenseless. Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed
See that's a tell. you say "They started this war" as i this issue began on Oct 7. Oct 7 was a terrorist response to some other issue, like a dominoes falling in a line all my life. You are emotionally invested in this Jo. Are you familiar with the term "Functional Stupidity"?
I do not believe disbarrment is affected by petitions.
It seems to me you want to have your cake and eat it too. Baby murder on one side is terrorism, baby murder on the other side is "acceptable collateral dammage", I am saying baby murder is baby murder, if we can agree on that point then we can move on to "is it justified"?
then you are not acting in their best intrests. Soldiers do not get to walk around for the rest of thier life saying "I never killed anyone", they have to accept that they did, and the question then becomes "Was that just or moral? Did I save lives by doing so as I hoped?" in hindsight
Nor am I asserting they should just give up, I am saying that is not the rational choice. It is irrational at its core. If you want less of your people to die you move them out of the danger zone, if you do not care about them, but about money, power and prestige, if your own ideology drives you
Not what I said, but indicative of your own emotional stake in this issue, and I doubt it would be fine if Israel just left, but that is another issue entirely. Nor am I saying islamist ideologies are not a problem, I am saying both sides are killers, and need to accept reality. Don't whitewash it
What do we boycott to protest their boycott, NASCAR?
the killer to death. Which one is not a killer?
I am going to try something different Jo, you do not seem to be grasping my point. Metaphor: A truly horriffic murderer, kidnaps, rapes, tortures, murders and then eats his victim in their own kitchen. Halfway through his repast a faily member comes home, sees what is going on and strangles
I have said it before but this REEKS of scam. I am POTUS, I make annocements which tank the markets sending stock prices plumeting. Avg joe needs to sell to try and save their 401K, liquid billionaires can buy that up cheap. So each tarriff debaucle nets the top.001% more
but they also say he is impressive . . .
Oh, i am not expecting them to do any of that, niether of them. They are not thinking rationaly nor are they likely to. I do not expect either one to walk away, rather they will continue to teach the next gen to hate, and perpetuate an endless conflict whose only beneficiary is the arms industry.
Why does this bother you? I see both sides as sharing the blame for this mess which has been going on my entire life. The IRA took Patty Hearst hostage in the 70's to get Hearst newspapers to cover their plight, in 72 they took Isralies at the Olympics for the same reasons. Why does that bug you?
Why? Because one is a formal, full time army and the other a terrorist militia? Israel would never allow Palestine to develop a full time, professional army, so they do not have much option if they want to fight against those who annex their lands and now occupy them, do they?
Does not make me exempt. I spent ten years in uniform training to kill Soviets. I am not expemt from irrationality, if you bomb my family you are likely to find out how irrational I can be. I am not being bombed, both sides of that conflict are bombing each other, THAT IS ON THEM, their choices.
Privaleged? To not be in that war zone, hell yes. Will I move out of MAGA America, well first America is not MAGA, part of it is, and second, as I keep saying and your refuse to hear, at the moment it becomes violence against our loved ones we tend to become violent as well, it is irrational.
I agree, but Israel (Gov of not people of) want those "nutjobs" to annex that land. They took all that land in the 6 days war when I was a boy, under the auspices it was a better defensive front, so to protect themselvs they conquesred those lands. The Conquered have never surrendered.
"Is it teaching boys to hate? Or is it teaching boys to protect themselves from a cancerous ideology" Gaza teaches the same thing. The cancerous ideology is Zionism, the evidence is the west bank where Israelis have taken land from palestinians for decades, and in the nasty treatment IDF gives
the rational thing is to get the fuck away from lands which have been in conflict all my life, away from the violence, missles, terrorist acts. I am not saying it is wrong to be irrational, it is human, but it is not rational.
No I do not, kind of my point. IF I were 20 and a Gazan I would no doubt hunt Israelis, and if I were an Israeli and 20 I would be IDF or Mossad. No doubt, but that is not a rational position to take, it is irrational adjective 1. not logical or reasonable: "irrational feelings of hostility"
I NEVER said both sides are the same. I said both sides are irrational and do similar nefarious things. Both have killled children for instance, Hamas has done beheadings and rapes, but Israel has been starving them which Hamas cannot do. Niether one is morally upright.
"The world’s top war crimes court issued warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant. The court said they committed crimes against humanity for intentionally depriving Gazans of food and directing attacks against civilians." --PBS
I do know. I do not need to watch another terrorist beheading, another rape, another murder of a child. I AM AWARE. It does not then justify murdering children in response ot starving the general population to expose the enemy.
I have not yet, did you bother to read the news I sent you about Israel teaching hate, just like Hamas? This did not start with Oct 7, that was a response to something before it, which was a response to something before it, and on and on and on. This is not new.
Like I said, YOU are emotional about this issue. Everything you say equates to this. This is normal IF you identify with the victims. Palestinians and others identify with the Gaza children. It is not for no reason, it is for a reason you do not acknowledge as valid. It is not on a whim.
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It has been here for decades. They blew up the towers twice.
Iranians fund those same extremists, like most governments they manipulate the religious to their own ends.
What am I wrong about? That both sides are murdering each other? That murdering each other is an irrational act?
It does at the outset, but the last two sentences can be misconstrued. Don't want the Doc taken out of context and quote mined.
for more funding so they can keep on murdering each other. When both sides believe the only real solution is the extermination of the other side, there is not much chance for a peaceful resolution. Both are wrong, the only question is of scale in each indiviual situation.
What is happening now is some new form of what has been happening there since before I was born. Both sides want us to empathize with them, to feel a part of their fight, because it does 2 things, it shores up their sense of rightness (even when killing innocents) and it allows them to exploit us
The reason you want me to watch uncensored footage, or to listen to Gazans who "escaped" and abandonded their faith/politics, is because you want me to join your angry persons club. If I watch I might empathize more, and be angry at what is happening, right? That makes you feel better about you
I do grasp it, what you want is for me to empathize with the plight felt by the Israelis, and I do. I also empathize with the plight of the Gazans. Islamic Jihadism is not Nazism, they are both vile but not identical. Islamism can be totalitarian, so can Judaism, and both have been in the past.
You ought to think about rephrasing your post. Your last two sentences give the impression you think science does not support Vax for Pregnant women, as if you support RFK's position.
to convince yourself you are not the bad guy, and both you and Drop Bear repeat the slogans, the talking points of both sides, because people on both sides do this to protect their own sense of self. It's a Tarrentino movie, there are no good guys, there might be a bad guy who is a little less bad.
and our families had been killed and terrorized by a relentless bombing then we would be very angry and want revenge. The same is true of Israelis suffering Hamas actions. This cycle has gone on longer than my life, by a lot. Again, I do not think you are trying to convince me, but you are trying
and when we are angry we are not rational, that is why people do dumb or even violent things when angry, then regret them later. The Gazans are not 100% Islamic Jihadists. Every attack which kills innocents recruits for Hamas, because they too are irrational. If we were raised there
I think both of you have misunderstood me in part. I am not saying irrational thinking people are bad, simply not rational. Most of us are irrational most of the time, marketing exploits this. If you are emotionally invested in any conflict, you are no longer rational, you are angry, pissed off
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They are, human rights watch keeps talking about that, their rationale is "if we allow food, water, and medicine in Hamas will steal it and use it", that maybe true, but it is not a reason to deprive children of all that.
empathy is a root issue in all PTSD. An inability to turn empathy back on is oft at the root of hate. NONE OF IT MAKES IT MORAL OR JUST understandable, very human, but it is not moral or even just. there is no justice for the Oct 7th victims, only revenge.
ourselves, our sense of self our own ego. I am an old cold war grunt, in a combat theatre you have to turn off your empathy. Hence we demonize the enemy, if we see them as fellow humans and not targets, you hesitate, and that endagers you and the mission. Inability to rectify our actions with our
Once you are in a conflict or connected to one empatheticly, ie it affects you, friends, family, you are not rational but irrational, angry, vengeful. And yes Americans would call Americans warmongers and genocidal, they did in the gulf wars, in the Nam. We demonize the other in war to protect
Oh we a;ready know the answer to that, USA went to war for 20 years killed hundreds of thousands and never got the terrorists because they were dead. Killed a lot of innocent and drove many into the arms of terrorists because we hurt them and then they want revenge.
Do you think any of that makes denying the avg Gazan waterr, medicine, food? Do you think they know or have any control over the actions of Hamas? They are the victims of Osraeli bombs and missles just as Israelis were victims of Hamas terrorism. 2 wrongs do not make a right.
What type of DRAFT DODGER loser what's a military parade in their honor.... What HONOR?....
I remeber that. My town did not have a pool, but it was in the newspapers that it was happening in the cities, and my mother had a cow over it.
This must happen....🎯💯
That is because admitting what MLK said about poverty in my childhood is an indictement of Capitalism itself, and the billionaires can't have that, can't have the masses rethinking capitalism.
I am not misrepresenting anything, just sharing my thoughts. You are the one trying to convince yourself, and you are free to mte away, have a nice life. I truly hope you can ditch the hate.
If I rob a bank, or fund a bank robber to rob a bank, or simply cheer that robber on, in each sense I suffer a rather glaring moral failing do I not? I see no difference in this If I support EITHER side I am supporting war crimes or terrosism or both. he question becomes one of scale, not morality.
That depends on how you define terrorism. To a lot of people bombing schools and hospitals fits that bill too. There is a lot of people who would agree with you that supporting the nation state rsponsibl for such acts is not the same as doing those acts, but here is the rub.
It is fucked up, but so is the Jewish sect which raises money from American Evangelicals who hope they will keep their word and blow up Temple Mount. You can say the same thing about Israel, that they do not care about Human life, by denying food and water to children. Blame enough to go around.
Today is the day we honor our war dead. YOU"RE NOT DEAD go bitch somewhere else
Requires a Prosecutor (DOJ employee) to file charges which need to be approved of by their Boss (Pam Bondi, Trump sycophant) NOT HAPPENING
When a human is so angry they are no longer a rational person, we do not think the same. Both of you are trying to convince yourselves that you are not the bad guy because you support one side or the other. You remind me of fighting toddlers, each screaming "He started it!" or "Liar!"
Murder does not correct murder. Evil acts do not condone evil acts in response. When you are in a war zone, or people you care about are, you are not rational anymore, you are irrational and angry as hell. You are willing to kill and die to avenge your loved ones. That is not rational.
Wow, neither of you get it at all. Both Drop Bear (Pro Gaza/Hamas) and Jo Jo is speaking (Pro Israel) have, for several days now, been absolutely insistent that their side are the good guys. Neither seems to realize they are not trying to convince me, but themselves.
When a human is so angry they are no longer a rational person, we do not think the same. Both of you zare trying to convince yourselves that you are not the bad guy because you support one side or the other. You remind me of fighting toddlers, each screaming "He started it!" or "Liar!"
Murder does not correct murder. Evil acts do not condone evil acts in response. When you are in a war zone, or people you care about are, you are not rational anymore, you are irrational and angry as hell. You are willing to kill and die to avenge your loved ones. That is not rational.
Wow, neither of you get it at all. Both Drop Bear (Pro Gaza/Hamas) and Jo Jo is speaking (Pro Israel) have, for several days now, been absolutely insistent that their side are the good guys. Neither seems to realize they are not trying to convince me, but themselves.
Cutting Medicare and Medicaid to give tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires.....
The evil acts of the other does not justify your own evil acts.
What reality would that be? The one you admit is vile Israel's conduct, especially in this most recent conflict but during the neverending occupation OR The reality that Hamas has conducted savage terrorist acts as the Govenment of Gaza and Palestinians? Neither justifies the other.
He got a REAL ID, is a citizen and was arrested and told his real id was fake. ICE is a disgrace.
What FEMA dumbass? YOU GUTTED IT!
Also consider Baron was rejected by Harvard
Apparently unaware that women is such circumstances oft made errors when cooking, from which husbands never recovered, only slightly less popular was the dagger in the night blamed on a burgler.
Speak Truth to Power.....
Do you realize that your anger twists your mind?
The problem is, no infant is HAMAS, but they get bombed too. You may rationalize that away because you are invested somehow, you have family or friends directly affected, so it is personal. That makes you not rational about it by default. Your decision making is wieghted by emotions.
You, or any citizen supporting it are more distanced, you have cleaner fingernails, but you are still sanctioning the killing of kids for politics, just like HAMAS, not the ground grunt/terrorist, but those who fund them, those who vote them into power. You become what you despise down that road.
I get the complexities, and I get why the government decided , in your words, "Its worth it", my point is even if you believe its worth it, you are still sactioning the slaughter of children, and that makes you akin to the OCT 7th killers, killing children for plitical reasons.
Some would argue they are, that Netanyahu represents their intrests, for his own greedy reasons. The elected Israeli Government is routinely bombing Hospitals, schools, even fucking rubble, and denying food, water, and medicine to those who they bombed. Both sides are guilty
I see only 1 solution to the mess in Gaza and Israel, individuals on both sides need to let it the fuck go and move on. Not states, not nations, people. Move the fuck away from the endless war. It has gone on for millennia in one form or another, yet each side wants to claim victory. Both lost
When was that exactly? I am not asserting invading anywhere is a good idea, but your point seems to be "Since they have done wrong I am justified in doing any and all things. I cannot be immoral."
So you are aserting that because of this ""You've gotta hand it to the Israelis; they really know how to torture people." Hamas has done nothing wrong?
and GAZA needs to stop throwing missles, some 10,000 since this latest round of hostilities began. This has been happening ALL MY LIFE, I was a boy in the 6 day war. Blame goes all aoround, too many have empathy only for their chosen side. You cannot end war with a lack of empathy.
During this latest epoch some 10,000 missles have been thrown at Israel. There is blame on both sides. BOTH sides are to blame, both sides have factions driving them which want the other side eliminated, exterminated. We need to stop bombing GAZA and let food, water and medicine in,
See, I see this as the problem, you said "Israel is the problem", but that is not logical at all. BOTH sides have done things, going back for centuries. Are those issues you mention valid, YES, but so are other issues like having missles thrown at your house.
We need to end gerrymandering so they can atually face consituents. The districts are so skewed you can be a total dumbass and get elected, re-elected, and feel no concern for those in your district because they will always vote for your party. What you do is moot.
communicate with our slaves well enough for them to obey and vote for us. VOTERS ARE NOT PROPERTY, they will never be ours and theirs, they decide whom to support and we need to convince them, not expect them to obey.
We lost because we consider voters property. It shows in the language, "Thiers" and "Ours". We do not own voters or votes, we have to solicit them, earn them, convince pople our ideas make better sense, not assuume we have them, that they are ours, as in our property and we did not