Iâm well aware the US never gave Ukraine 300bn. Thatâs just the bat shit insane number he gave
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Iâm well aware the US never gave Ukraine 300bn. Thatâs just the bat shit insane number he gave
Iâll repost my depressing meme from the 12 day war
I donât think itâs too much to ask for Labour to be the Labour Party and Democratic Party to be the Democratic Party It either Labour or dems want to win another election, they need to actually stand with the majority of those who voted for them, stop enabling genocide and stand up to the right
So no, Iâm not a âcommunistâ Iâm well aware Corbyn isnât perfect, Labour just like the democrats are heading for extinction. Wanna see how fucked we are? youtu.be/yi4Ur-l86gY?... This should be an international scandal, itâs all being swept under the rug
The fact we send aid to Israel as they commit the same horrific crimes as Russia is sickening, there is no difference between Russia and Israel at this point. People can argue âHamas and Russiaâ all they like but thatâs didnât stop the fact Isreal is illegally stealing land and committing genocide
I may not agree with Corbyn on everything, what I do agree with is the fact that Labour have lost touch with its own voter base and their anti-immigration, pro-Israel, anti-LGBTQ policies, pro-austerity and pro-Trump policies have killed the party.
Because regardless of my support for Corbyn, maybe Labour can see itâs losing members by attacking the poorest in society and will actually start being a liberal party again and stop emulating the last 14 years of far right conservatism.
We wouldnât know because he was politically assassinated for daring to oppose israel. Probably not, Iâve spoken to the man. I think youâre projecting some kind of weird view on him that he doesnât have. Heâs not even communist.
Admittedly, he wasnât wrong about putting more pressure on Russia. We did the bare minimum to the point that sanctions are barely effective anymore. Itâs a slight inconvenience having to order things though Turkey
Yeah, I think we utterly screwed Ukraine repeatedly from 1991 until today. We did too little, too late and at this point we need to start at least thinking about a pause to even get Ukraine ready for round 3
Youâre sending the very last of the Biden aid, after that they are done for. All aid from the US will be paid for by Europe and Trump already declared that there will be an extra 10% added because fuck Ukraine I guess
Weâre now considering fighting two of the largest militaryâs alone while the US hides away
We shouldnât be doing any air missions in the Middle East. Weâre facing a continent wide war and apparently facing China with Australia alone in the Pacific which is just a wild thing Labour came out with recently.
Iâm a liberal, Iâm also sickened by Labour and their betrayal of their party members. Iâm all for cutting back on spending but spending billions on air missions to Israel while cutting welfare for the disabled and heating assistance for the poor elderly is political suicide.
You may dislike Corbyn but when I say things are bad here, you need to understand things are EXTREMELY fucking bad. Labour are the Tories, they are purging anyone remotely left wing from the party, the unions have abandoned them and membership has cratered.
We probably disagree on one thing and thatâs my willingness to have direct confrontation with Russia instead of hiding behind Ukraine. We should have had a strong show of force with Russia but instead we hit like cowards.
I think putting nato bases on Ukrainian sovereign territory in 2021 would have prevented a war. I donât think Russia would have invaded if we took an aggressive stance against Putin. Instead we showed how weak we were over and over.
Weâre already windholding arms. You say it worsens their position but we already have. We fucked them and worse we look like hypocrites allowing Israel do so the same thing as Russia and excusing it.
You know your beloved Labour is in lockstep with Trump right? They wonât criticise him on anything and have even apologised for calling him out in the past. There is no left-wing alternative in the UK anymore. Labour are done. That kinda happens when you try to kill off the elderly and disabled
I think my country is in fucking crisis, Labour have gone full right-wing, fucked our county by appeasing Trump and are more concerned about storing racial hated and literally flying air missions for Israel every day for 2 years while saying closing Ukrainian air space is a step too farâŠ
Right, so⊠youâd banish about 100% of the Labour Party and trigger a General election? Great.
Sure, he was wrong about it but would we have needed to send them long range missiles if literally any of us had the balls to stand up to Putin at any point between 2014 and 2025? At any point?
I mean, itâs not their call. Itâs the Ukrainian governmentâs and theyâve already accepted that there has to be a ceasefire and negotiated settlement.
Cool, we fucked Ukraine. I donât know how many ways to say this. There is no future here where Ukraine reclaims its territory due to our own cowardice.
No, Iâm giving you the context of what he said instead of a single line form a long interview. I agree itâs him, we failed Ukraine.
Ukraine surprisingly isnât even in the 10 issues we need to deal with at this point. America causing shit here being at least 5 of those
Yeah, thatâs not happening here bud. Labour are more concerned about people different colour skin coming to our country illegally. He has other issues to worry about like race wars on our streets spurred on by American politicians and public figures.
Yeah, thatâs not happening though. Weâre not in 2022 anymore, itâs 2025 and we are now talking about freezing the conflict.
Ukraine has already been sold out bud, I donât know how to break it to you. We fucked then over spectacularly and continue to do so. All these cute acts of solidarity look lovely on camera but.. Ukraine is losing territory rapidly again, Europe is slowing weapons deliveries further
Is he? It kinda feels like we probably should have listened to him to begin with and been tougher on Russia. Instead we left the back door wide open for them to sanction evades and continue the war
Iâm all for liberation of Ukrainian land but what the fuck are we doing here? You went from giving Putin 50 days to end the war to 10 days and then that was forgotten a month ago. Where are we now? Another 2 weeks?
The goes literally the opposite of what heâs said and itâs actually counter to what youâve shared with me. Cool, so they are gonna liberate all that land right? Alone? Thatâs happening? Not the opposite? Ukraine losing more and more land? They didnât just lose a shit load of land?
Heâs never once said that and youâre inventing yet more smears against him. Youâre literally arguing against an independent MP saying the military aid alone will only prolong the war. We wouldnât do that regardless, you think we have 100,000 155mm rounds to spare under labour? lol
If it doesnât start sorting its shit out, there wonât be any Ukraine aid at all. Thereâll be an early general election and reform absolutely will win.
The next general election is in 2029, are you hoping for the war to continue into the next decade? I hope not. Labour are rapidly losing MPâs due to various fuckery it suspended a dozen just because they dared to oppose not removing heating allowances from the elderly.
Labour are absolutely done. Tories are done. Ukraines only hope is Lib Demâs but even then theyâd have to coalition Labour which is unlikely as their views are completely opposed now, especially on Brexit and Israel.
Thats not getting into the shady shit by categorising Palestine action as a terrorist origination by putting their designation in a bill that combined two Russian Neo Nazi groups as them. They used Russian Nazis to silence criticism of Israel
Buddy, Labour are done. You understand Labour going right wing absolutely destroyed the party right? They are polling worse than the Tories some how. They went after pensioners heating and the disabled for fucks sake. Labour wonât survive the next general election. Starmer went too right-wing.
Right? So where is he wrong? You slated Corbyn for even daring to call for a ceasefire ignoring Zelenskyy has repeatedly agreed to one and you seem to think Ukraine is going to what? Watch as the west betrays it over and over?
Yes. Because the alternative is no aid for Ukraine. What do you want? No aid and lift sanctions on Russia or someone who wanted to put more pressure on Russia? Pick one. Labour as a political party are done, as are the Tories.
Womenâs alone* And he was right. He didnât argue it should end, he argued weapons alone would prolong the war and guess what, he was right.
Oh and a complete embargo on Russian oil and gas.
Okay cool, second party sanctions. A complete SWIFT ban (not all banks were banned, just the big ones) Total ban on Russian sovereign assets Sanctions on fertiliser, medical goods and diamonds All oligarchs sanctioned Total bans on what was sanctioned, many not fully enforced.
Donât sit there and pretend to be all high and mighty, all of us let Ukraine down. It has nothing to do with how left either of us are, it has everything to do with how incompetent our leaders were and are.
You can sit there pretending to be high and mighty here but it was Biden who gave the absolute bare minimum. Who gave Ukraine long range weapons? Was it Biden? No no⊠he capped HIMARs and geofenced them within Ukraine. It was the UK and France who gave long range weapons.
Yes, as does Zelenskyy.Sorry? Do you think the US has left Ukraine in any position to continue fighting at this point? You understand that they are losing because of ALL Americans not just MAGAts donât sit there and claim no responsibility because of Trump Biden drip fed Ukraine for his entire term
What he said was arms alone wouldnât end the war. Guess what, he was right. What part of that statement in 2025 is incorrect? You sit there and act like heâs wrong but heâs not, sorry, 1288 days later the war isnât ending and there is no end in sight.
The west hasnât put any pressure on Russia, everything weâve done can be mitigated though third party countries. You think sanctioning works for countries like Russia? Europe still gets its gas and oil from Russia, it never stopped. You need to come to terms we fucked Ukraine over spectacularly
I dunno, maybe and this is a wild thought⊠he knows the west would fuck Ukraine over just like we fucked over the Kurds, Afghani government, Taiwanese, South Koreans, Japanese, infact every Asian partner country.. is there a country we havenât fucked over other than Israel?
Weâre on day 1288, Ukraine has been betrayed over and over. Watched as Israel is given endless aid and even direct military intervention by western nations as Ukranians die. Iâm sorry? Do you think you cooked here? I think you proved his point that the west failed Ukraine.
He should, he was right. It turns out on day 1288 maybe Ukraine needed something more than the bare minimum effort from western partners. At least sanctions that actually hurt Russia.
Yeah man, weâre on day 1288, maybe he might have been on to something? Yeah, how is joining the EU and NATO working out for Ukraine? Still on the table? Seems like both ainât happening and Ukraine was dragged along huh
So yes, with context, he believes just arming Ukraine and not pressuring Russia wonât end the war and will drag it out. Iâd say on day 1288, I dunno man, seems like maybe he might have been on to something?
Gonna finish that with context? He thinks ending the war sooner with a ceasefire would have been better and wanted more groups like the African Union to pressure Russia into ending it. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/e...
Read what he said.
As the Democratic party canât form a unified consensus on literal fucking genocide. Funny, you say that but you just smeared Corbyn twice once on Ukraine and then on trans issues. I think Iâm pretty dead on about dems being complicit in genocide
www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-... Uh huh? Really? Are you sure you know Corbyn at all? He was entirely correct the UN and the west as a whole should have been tougher on Russia in 2014? What exactly do you disagree with him there?
Do you think Bernie is a tankie?
Yeah, I donât think you know what youâre talking about bud. The person in question is an MP in Independent Alliance which is a bunch of independent MPâs. Itâs not affiliated with his new party. Heâs not a tankie, heâs not transphobic and his views are basically the same as Bernie Sanders.
Look at these evil cunts man! Look at how much they hate trans people
Yeah, Corbyn and Sultana are not transphobes or bigots. The person they are referring to is a Muslim independent who is not in their party and apparently he speaks for them now. I dunno, seems a lot like the antisemitism row all over again. Especially when itâs only right wing outlets pushing this
Yes, I think there are democratic politicians who are completely fine with ethnic cleansing because you and I can both see how they vote on bills that would do that. zeteo.com/p/breaking-i...
Just 26 senators voted to ban arms in Israel a month ago. Just 26 out of 100. Are you telling me that there arenât democrats who would vote with republicans to impeach a president who threatened to withhold arms from Israel?
You wonât find me disagreeing with you about Labour doing exactly what the democrats did and fucked over its entire member base. Labour will never win another election ever again after what Starmer has done.
Trust me, Labour are dead. I will agree with you completely. Itâs why Jeremy Corbynâs party is now the most popular party with the most members of any uk party and it doesnât even have a name yet Yes, I agree that Labour absolutely are conservatives now and their views on trans issues is sickening
The whole democratic system is rotten from the core. Not just on Israel, Israel is just a symptom of a wider issue. Itâs not just a US issue either, we have the same issue here on the left too. Itâs an unwillingness to listen to voters and focus on lobbyists demands.
I mean, you say that but even if she did want to do something. Do you think she wouldnât have been impeached like Trump was over Ukraine? Do you actually think the Democratic establishment and MAGAts would have allowed her or Biden for that matter to do anything?
That goes for my country being directly militarily involved in this genocide in Gaza. www.theguardian.com/politics/202...
I can comment on it because my country appears to have no sovereignty and weâre just a puppet state of the US. Iâd have thought being a 51st state would have at least given us a vote in US elections. Unfortunately, what happens in your fucking hellscape happens here too.
You realise thatâs what people do when they attack people who didnât vote and blame them? Do you think I want Trump in power? I think we were a couple of centimetres from the good ending at that rally last year.
I just fucking hate Obamaâs legacy on Ukraine and this rarely comes up. It wasnât something you could bring up while the US was aiding Ukraine.
Itâs not MAGA propaganda, itâs surface level criticism on why Kamala lost. It wasnât because those evil bastards who had principles didnât vote because they felt disenfranchised by the Democratic Party. Maybe listen to why those people didnât vote
Cool, Iâm not against you. I agree with you with Israel too. Well, everything but your views on why people didnât vote for Kamala. I donât think attacking people for their principles is a great tactic
You realise the internet exists right? Everything we can see now, people could see last year and when they searched Kamalaâs views on Israel Gaza, nothing good comes up. Just surface level bothsidism that we see from dems today usatoday.com/story/news/p... prismreports.org/2024/08/08/k...
Wait wait wait? You donât know about Obama and his legacy of screwing Ukraine over? Ignoring his inaction with Crimea and Georgia before that. Obama left Ukraine wide open for Russia. www.nato.int/cps/en/natoh...
Democrats are just as complicit in genocide as their MAGA counterparts. Like you alluded to earlier, donât blame people who didnât vote because they didnât feel represented when the issue lies with the Democratic Party who refuse to align with their own voter base
Nearly 2 in 3 Americans say the government should subsidise healthcare. Your issue isnât an ideological issue, itâs a political repetitive problem and that includes the democratic establishment who would rather send money to a developed nation to fight wars for them.
Iâm aware of Bidenâs occasional push back but there shouldnât have been push back at all. There should have been sanctions and a full arms embargo. If the dems donât ditch Israel, itâs going to be political suicide next year
You also canât attack people for not voting for her, she was very very sketchy on the subject of the genocide. You canât be blue no matter who when 30,000 died under Biden and another after him. Very little was done to push back on Israel.
Iâm not lecturing you on Ukraine, however Iâd be cautious on saying all democrats were fantastic on Ukraine. Obama for example is right to shut his mouth on the subject, especially when he spent a decade pushing to disarm Ukraine post-2014.
In fact not only did you give nothing, all military aid bought by Europe and NATO to give to Ukraine is marked up by 10%.
Hell, this year alone the US tax payer gave 12billion dollars to Israel. Do you know how much youâve gave Ukraine this year? $0. You gave nothing.
Nope, I can tie it to any number of political issues that the US government have historically claimed they couldnât pay for due to the cost. Itâs not a conspiracy, the US government subsidises another countries healthcare and higher education. Thatâs not an unfair claim to make.
Yes, none of them are about Israelâs actions. They are about bringing the hostages back. You actually thought they cared about the people their government are committing genocide against?
My brother in Christ, Itâs not antisemetic to question why Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid than any other country on the planet. It has nothing to do with Israel controlling anything, itâs about the US governmentâs complicity in genocide. www.cfr.org/article/us-a...
Blue MAGA is a disease of the mind. These people are deranged.
Seeing a lot of posts where the take is "sure Biden would have continued to enthusiastically back Israel as they eliminated all in Gaza, but at least he wouldn't have built resorts". I think these people care more about propriety than the value of human life
Lmao Israel IS the largest recipient of welfare from the US taxpayer than any other country in history www.cfr.org/article/us-a...
We can also get into this bullshit too. www.politico.com/news/2024/03...
Itâs a tiny fraction that can be paid for by another country that clearly has the money to pay for it. Itâs absolutely related, itâs about time you look to your heavily lobbied politicians and ask them why dems would rather see Americans die than stop subsidising another countries genocide.
Itâs not a conspiracy though, US tax payers subsidise the defence of another country. That allows them to pay for services the Us government says it cannot pay for. Are you continently ignoring that 11 million Americans had their healthcare stripped from them recently?
mondoweiss.net/2025/07/poll... I donât know how we allow Zionism to exist in civil society after what has happened. I donât know if Neo-Zionism and Zionism can be separated.
There is a minority of Zionists that oppose whatâs happening and support a 2 state solution but thatâs a small minority and itâs certainly not something that is popular in Israel. 64% of Israelis do not support a 2 state solution.
My point is if Zionists are tolerant of Neo-Zionism the form of Zionism that calls for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and openly calls for genocide, are they any different? It depends if they are quietly watching on in horror and not opposing his actions. If not, they might just be complicit
âUh Sudetenland is legitimately annexed territory of the German fatherland and uh the Czechoslovakian terrorists weâre oppressing the native German speaking population! Infact we donât even recognise Czechoslovakiaâ
Oh, he blocked me. The slightest push back and they run back to their safe spaces. Zionists are so big and tough until they are faced with the reality that they are genocide apologists and on the wrong side of history. These same people would be cheering on the Nazis in 1930âs Berlin.
Thatâs not getting into Israel not charging tuition for university either. Israel get a pretty good deal, it doesnât have to put much into its genocide machine and Americans die in debt
You could make that argument, it does seem like the reverse these days. These idiots will argue billions should be sent to Israel for their wars of choice and pay for their universal healthcare while every 6 days in the US an October 7th amount of people die due to no access to healthcare.
Facts.
You donât get to illegally occupy a sovereign territory even if youâre a puppet state of the United States. Israel barely has sovereignty itself, letâs not forget that.