Republicans, "enlightened centrists", and far leftists can all kiss my ass. Warren and Crockett fangirl Leftist = "wants leftist policies passed and preserved" Leftist =/= "irrationally hates Democrats and protects Republicans from criticism"
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bsky.app/profile/okov... There was also this. People who have questions about transgender *women* in sports, are painted as opposed to transgender people because they are, not stated as opposed to the entire cause unless they also express anti-LGB sentiments.
bsky.app/profile/okov... 🤷♀️ His passing comment was anti-transgender. His pro-LGB as separate from T, legislation, doesn't change that. (He also made more than a passing comment, he agreed with considering a ban on transgender athletes and restricting gender affirmation access to people under 25.)
This is why I get frustrated with discussions sometimes, because it seems very obvious to me what I'm asking/saying, yet I clearly don't actually have the right words to get other people to also see it.
Why, though? What do they get out of that schism? What does it produce for them? What tangible benefit does it give them? Right-wingers try to divide leftists, because, it lets them get to push right-wing ideology and policies. Method > goal/result But what do "leftists" get out of that method?
I get that's certainly your conspiracy theory.
But to what end? What tangible outcome are they hoping for?
I mean, you have in this thread opined that you think Newsom's anti-transgender and anti-gender-affirming treatment is reasonable or not a big deal. You also present being against transgender women in sports as a reasonable argument, when it has no actual basis in logic.
(Ironically whenever transgender men are issues in sports, it's invariably because they were forced to compete as their assigned gender at birth. Letting them compete as their transitioned gender as they desired would have removed all of the issues.)
You *are* presenting being against transgender women in sports as a reasonable argument when it actually has no rational basis. You also said "transgender men" when I think you meant transgender women.
this graph (from Gallup) strikes me as totally incompatible with a functioning democracy
But as I noted: Why? It's the why of it that eludes me. What ultimate end goal ideology are they furthering?
I think Newsom is anti-transgender, which is not always a coincide with also being anti-LGB, as a ride around UK politics can tell you. He's also anti-homeless people, and has been caught passing a myriad of other anti-leftist things.
I don't disagree, but I don't get the why. What their ultimate goal for doing so is. MAGA attack leftists and especially Democrats, as they have right-wing beliefs that leftists are an obstacle to. Far leftists attack Dems and pro-Dem people because ????? It's the ????? I have never figured out.
She's certainly proof that being right-wing or a far leftist are just grift trains for has-beens.
Yeah, basically, I saw someone link a Medialite article expressly about the current situation, and this was one of the "related articles". And I read it and it was like, oh really. I can get why I keep seeing people say she's an asshole.
www.mediaite.com/media/news/t... Yeah, so about that totally neutral and trustworthy reporter who very definitely gave real, justified reporting and wasn't just trying to tear down Democrats because she's totally not MAGA/Useful Idiot for MAGA.
Wait. What. The “LEFTISTS” are angry that Dem/progressive influencers are getting paid a fair wage for their labor as influencers?!! These are not serious people, they are just misery seekers who have lost the plot.
They aren't getting paid by Russia unlike rightwing "influencers." I don't have a problem with folks on the left finally getting some support so they can fight back. This shit isn't free when you commit to it as more than a full time job.
But far leftists seem to have no actual beliefs whatsoever, as everything they claim to be concerned about is always clearly just being worn like a mask to whitewash trolling. Since nothing they do ever furthers their claimed beliefs; quite the opposite, in fact.
The question whose answer still escapes me, though, is why far leftism is a movement that attracts trolls who have no motivation except being trolls. Even MAGA, troll as they are, has motivations other than being trolls just for the sake of trolling. They are odious motivations, but they exist.
Why does everyone always assume I'm a man? Real talk.
Good thing what actually happened was I extrapolated a pattern from the many many many far leftists I've dealt with over the years. And you are part of another pattern: Bad faithing everything. It's also notable you did absolutely nothing to address my points either, versus this garbage.
This is literal word salad. These two concepts have zero connection to each other.
And more fake claims that have no basis in reality, got it. How much are you getting paid to sell out your country?
Uhhh, yeah, and the economy tanked thanks to things like his policies about immigrants and tariffs, none of which existed before he enacted them, actually, turns out.
OK, uh, good luck with that.
This shows the economy was great in 2024 and tanked hard when Trump came into office. So the exact opposite of what you claim. And now all data is suspect because Trump fired people for that data that showed it tanked and is trying to put loyalists in.
So, calling fake bot account at this point, because I've asked you multiple times for hard empirical data, and all I get is random empty word salad claims with no factual backing.
Is there a reason you're still spouting random empty claims without the hard data I asked for? Reminder that I actually posted hard data, so it's weird you rejected it but can't produce your own hard data.
What makes the Chorus controversy even weirder is I'm a big Twitch watcher, and I can tell you every single Twitch person over a certain size is signed with a company that helps manage a bunch of creators. So it's pretty normal, and quite frankly leftist commentators should have had one ages ago.
The "content restrictions" really seemed to be "you can't endorse candidates so they don't sic the IRS on us"
it also makes that Chorus thing look a lot better. according to her, they *are* doing a lot of the talent pipeline and backend stuff that I mentioned earlier, it's not at all secret, and they *aren't* exercising an iron grip on what the creators say bsky.app/profile/ryan...
Oh, this is a whole thread of creators pointing out how that Wired article from that Lorenz lady is complete BS. And the very first creator points out Taylor Lorenz herself is funded by a media organization, the exact same kind of organization she's claiming is bad. Oops.
If you’re worried about propaganda, worry about how the White House is pushing schools to use PragerU and indoctrinate their students. Liberal donors paying liberal creators to say liberal things is just not a big deal.
TPUSA, The Daily Wire, The Daily Caller, all spend millions of dollars a year to pay creators to push MAGA narratives. I truly, genuinely, honestly cannot understand how this is only a scandal when liberals do it.
OK, so, this is just you spouting random meaningless word salad and empty unproven accusations. You haven't done a thing to refute what's in the article or provide your own hard counterdata.
Even more proof Free Palestine is an astroturf group that always existed for no purpose except to sabotage Democrats on behalf of Republicans, Russia, and Israel, it seems. Because real pro-Palestine people would be criticizing Republicans 100% of the time as, again, they're actually in charge.
What honest, intelligent, non-grifter leftist influencer is itching to go, "hey want to hear me talk about something that is completely irrelevant to and has zero effect on anything going on rn?" Far Leftists seem to have this delusion that everyone shares their bugnuts pathological hatred of Dems.
OK, can someone explain why far leftists even give a damn about whether or not leftist influencers were told to not to criticize Democrats on Gaza, when there is literally no intelligent or sane reason to want to do so as it's Republicans that are in charge rn and always been far worse on the topic?
And... blocked, for literally no reason whatsoever. Totally not weird or fake or suspicious in the slightest. It's so incredibly telling how fast far leftists start pissing their pants when you ask for proof of their claims, lol.
Why would they need or want do that anyway when it's Republicans who have been in charge for months and own everything that's been going on lately, and they've always been far worse about Gaza all along to begin with?
Where's the actual proof of this? Because I haven't seen a single bit of it thus far.
You know, I originally was going meh whatever to people posting about this initially a few days ago because I thought it was just wishful thinking, but now the situation is actually getting kinda weird.
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You mean the 4 years of Biden that all facts and figures show were amazing, the flaws were global issues with global causes, and it was significantly better than what's going on right now?
You folks are just mad these pro-Democrat folks don't push your fake anti-Dem narratives, and you are faking the reason is the sponsorship when the real reason is the influencers care about honesty and addressing real issue. Why don't far leftists do the same. Republicans are over there. Get going.
The simple fact is no actual harm happened here. People got paid to do what they were already doing and to talk about what already talked about, and nothing actually changed there. Meanwhile we've got fascists doing actual real harmful things that this manufactroversy is distracting from.
All right, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you're clearly being intentionally dishonest and intentionally playing dumb at this point. You're grasping at straws for fake reasons to hate pro-Dem influencers and people who make it as financially viable to be pro-Dem as it is to be anti-Dem.
I live in Massachusetts which has the lowest gun death rate in the US. We definitely have people with mental health issues. We also have video games, poverty, transgender people, people of color, immigrants, and everything else the GOP blames instead of guns. What we mostly *don't* have, is guns.
Yup. As someone who had an aunt that lived with dementia for years before passing and who lives in a building full of elderly and disabled people, Biden felt like a normal elderly person with normal flaws, and it's Trump who feels much closer to having serious issues.
Even in florida, charges like this don’t stick. But the point is to terrify queers into silence, with the knowledge that whether the charges stick or not, they will jail us, and if they can, brutalize us whole they have us. Florida Government endorses the Pulse massacre.
From www.tiktok.com/@candidly_ti... This person is spitting fire and telling it like it is, I love it. That you all need to focus on the actual problem, which is the damn Republicans.
Oh, sorry. Poe's Law, in my defense. I see so many people sincerely acting like term limits are a magic bullet. X3 And while I actually wouldn't mind having some proficiency tests in place for politicians, in this case the man seems to be clearly *playing* stupid, not being genuinely forgetful.
That's my point, dumbass, that Republicans are being fkn dishonest when they fkn say it because no actual real harm happened. Just like you're being dishonest by crying and rending your shirt that this is bad when you have demonstrated literally zero harm.
Neither of those first two things will do anything. You'll just get fresh faces with the exact same ideologies, and nothing about IQ precludes someone being immoral and lying about things.
🤦♀️ I'm saying that in both cases it's being claimed the thing is very very very bad based purely on technicality, despite no actual real tangible harm being demonstrated.
So IOW, they're getting paid to keep doing what they're already doing. So literally nothing actually changed except it's financially nicer for the influencer. And? Like I said, this is the same category of argument when Republicans say undocumented immigrants are "criminals".
Except you have yet to show anyone was lied to. You have yet to show a single thing anyone said that they normally wouldn't say if not paid, or something they didn't say that they normally would. Or that the funders were pushing some dishonest agenda.
"Gosh, you're right, forget my detailed explanations, I was magically actually being obtuse solely because you say so. "Of course, it's kind of weird I don't have the same magical privilege of you being expected to believe my claims just because *I* said so, but, you're a god and all". Happy now?
But why do you think it's bad if in this case zero harm actually resulted from it, and it didn't actually meaningfully change anything? What purpose is served by your reaction here?
You have to show actual harmful substance, not just let the accusation carry itself. In cases of undisclosed sponsors, the provable harm that resulted is often obvious. But here it's very much not obvious at all.
It's the same category of argument as when Republicans say undocumented immigrants are criminals. Sure, that might be very technically true, but that technicality is very different from what we normally think of when we think of "criminal", and it isn't actually a harmful problem in and of itself.
The reason not disclosing your sponsor is typically considered bad is either because the identity of the sponsor is bad, or because it makes people do something inauthentic. But I'm still waiting for the bad people and/or inauthentic part here.
Why? You have done literally nothing to explain why it's bad here, because you haven't shown the funders are bad people, you haven't shown anything bad was said, you haven't shown what restrictions were bad, you have nothing.
People sometimes try to ding me for how many posts I have. And it's like, I wish I had fewer posts, as most of that is having to say things over and over and over because people dodge dodge dodge all day. If people answered/gave proof the 1st time I asked, I'd probably have like 1/10th the posts.
Lord all effing mighty. I am so tired of how many posts I waste having to go: "OK prove it." "Just answer my question." "OK prove it." "Just answer my question." Because people want to dodge dodge dodge dodge all day long proving the claims they make or addressing logical flaws in their point.
So again, can you identify: What they said that was bad? What they said that they normally wouldn't say, or what they didn't say that they normally would? That the people backing them are malevolent actors?
OK, let's settle it. Hands up anyone else reading this: Who are you more inclined to believe: Someone who can make detailed arguments that directly address people's points and prove their own points. Someone who makes empty claims backed by nothing, then dodges when requested to back them up?
OK, have fun being a fake account, then. As there's no reason for a real person with real stances to behave like this when invited to prove you have valid stances.
Because guess what I'm very obviously going to say? That's right: Prove they're false flags. Address my points, prove they're invalid. So stop wasting my limited time on this earth, and either make a real counterargument if your stance was sincere, or go rethink why you're being an insincere troll.
Dude, why do you even make your original point if you're literally unable to defend when someone points out possible flaws, versus this dodge dodge dodge? And I don't mean that as a gotcha, I mean that as my literally not understanding what the hell you're even trying to do here at this point.
If I was actually just interested in landing a "gotcha", I would have never invited you to address my points and show why they were wrong, because if you could do so that would undo any gotcha I was going for. I would have just given you some snappy comeback instead and called it a mic drop.
Good thing my goal is actually to have you think critically about: Why anyone--even if not being paid--would choose to criticize Ds over Rs right now when Ds are not the problem rn. Why being paid is bad, when nobody has shown what harm it caused here. Why the people doing the paying are bad.
If anything right now it's you comes off as full of shit, because I'm the one who made actual effort to sincerely address people's points here, while you're now flinging empty accusations and ad hominems in lieu of putting in the same effort. 🤷♀️
OK, prove it then. Directly address my points and explain why they don't address your own points. And I'm not a fan of someone making up fake reasons to dodge addressing points, like falsely calling something bullshit before making any effort whatsoever to show it's actually bullshit.
Because otherwise, the only thing I'm purposefully being is someone who sincerely addressed your points and why I find them flawed. 🤷♀️
Well, you're certainly welcome to directly address my various counterpoints and show where I allegedly misread your own points.
They're mostly mad that they're not hearing anti-Dem talk ("criticism") from... people who rarely made any anyway, and what criticism they made were things Democrats actually did wrong and actually had the power to do better, not the manufactroversies that far leftists love to conjure up. 🤷♀️
And what kills me is what I stated on your thread: Nobody has actually proven any malevolence here! It's not like right-wingers being funded by Russia where who they were funded by and what they say was an issue. Nobody's identified any actual real bad things here other than "they got paid".
Nor have I seen evidence that the people they're being paid by are malevolent actors. This isn't like when right-wingers were being paid by Russia specifically.
So far all I've seen is speculation people were being paid to not talk about Gaza. But one, that makes no sense since any talk about Gaza right now would be about what Republicans are doing since they're in charge. Why stop that? Two, Pakman and BTC, at least, rarely talked about Gaza anyway. 🤷♀️
If "they're being paid to do what they were doing anyway" is all you've got, you have nothing. You have to prove it, one, made them say something they normally wouldn't (or not say something they normally would), two, most people would have fact-based reason to find objectionable. Can you do that?
Why is it bad? You haven't identified anything they actually did wrong other than make being pro-Democrat as financially viable as being anti-Democrat is. Nobody has proven a single thing these people said that was wrong, a single thing they're blocked from saying that they normally would, etc.
"refusing to state that they are being paid" Many of those people already get paid anyway by subscriptions, book sales, those sponsored ad reads about Factor everyone makes, Patreons, etc. 🤷♀️
It may be very technically true that if you aren't paid you are not forced to make the choice to criticize people who aren't the problem right now, but it isn't a choice any honest and pragmatic influencer genuinely worried about the state of the country would make for free, either. 🤷♀️
"No independent person has to choose between criticizing Rs or Ds" If you're criticizing Democrats despite literally nothing about Dems being the cause of any of the current problems, then you're not leftist, and you're arguably not centrist either. 🤷♀️
Existing while leftist, with a possible side of existing while Jewish.
Like I said on my profile, I think it's these far leftists who need to be investigated for dark money funding. Tired of being expected to swallow "leftists" who continually protect Republicans who are much worse on every topic, to irrationally go after Democrats, when they get zero obvious benefit.
Republicans are objectively worse about Gaza. So there is zero justified reason for any leftist influencer (or any leftist at all) to criticize Democrats on the matter vs criticizing Repubs. Certainly no valid reason to do it now when Repubs own everything that happened in the past several months.
I fully grasp that you have an irrational obsession with bashing Democrats even when there is no logical or factual reason to do so, but it's nobody else's obligation to care or go along with it. And only disgusting thing here is your protecting Republicans from accountability with your obsession.
"OK, fair enough, if Pakman and BTC have never said much about Gaza, and only criticized Republicans when they did, that is my answer that this is obviously not why they don't talk about it the way I want them to talk about it. Thanks, I'll delete my unfounded accusation." Fixed that for you.
As someone who follows both, Pakman and BTC have never said much about Gaza to begin with, and when they did it was to correctly point out Republicans have always been much worse about it. Turns out nobody is obligated to be obsessed with what was always a manufactroversy where Dems are concerned.
You mean all the work Lorenz and far leftists are doing to make up a story that doesn't actually exist?
And he still doesn't have a financial relationship with Democrats, because Chorus isn't funded by the DNC.
It also proves Free Palestine was intentionally working to sabotage Democrats. They used to claim they were protesting Dems as Dems were the ones in charge. That already got suspicious when they went after Jeffries instead of Johnson after Repubs won the House, but now it's very obviously false.
It's the world's dumbest story. Republicans have been in charge for months. They're the ones who own everything that's happening since January 20th. Why tf is anyone at all, anywhere, criticizing Dems for what's going on? Of all the things that prove Democrat Derangement Syndrome is real.
I also sincerely believe journalists should investigate every anti-Democrat "leftist" who spends more time attacking Dems and pro-Dem people, than criticizing Republicans. Being a pro-Dem leftist is logical and fact-based. Leftists helping Repubs defeat Dems is not. Find out why they do it anyway.
Just, jesus DAMN people, I am telling you how to SAVE YOUR COUNTRY! Stop attacking me, other Pro-Democrat people, and Dems themselves, and ADDRESS REPUBLICANS WHO ARE THE ACTUAL PROBLEM! Why are you more mad at people telling you how to successfully stop fascists, than you are at the fascists?!
It's just demoralizing. I'm tired of how much of my life in general, not just here, I've spent getting lied about and demonized when actually all I did was advocate for people to be better and more helpful and constructive people in various ways.