Frankly, I was sick of hearing “we’ll have to see what we can get”. No. What are you willing to fight for? We’ve had three decades of less than crumbs. MMP has not served the left well at all.
Frankly, I was sick of hearing “we’ll have to see what we can get”. No. What are you willing to fight for? We’ve had three decades of less than crumbs. MMP has not served the left well at all.
That, like me, were begging the so called left block a reason to vote for them. It’s not the masses who need swaying, it’s the political parties. Either you’re going to fight for the people asks policy or you’re not. It’s no good just saying things. There has to be a path.
Agree. But having said that I met a lot of left voters last election not knowing what to do, that more media exposure could not have overcome. It was a problem of the ‘left’ parties being sidecars to Labour. Not good when you want to all out reject a Labour platform.
Concise and good advice. What more do you want?
You're straight up bonkers.
Definitely preferable. I agree with you. Personally I really despise this package deal thing it has turned into (and admittedly part of that is the approach of the parties). It feels more like a two party system than it did under FPTP.
Oh now you're just giving me second hand embarrassment. *shudder*
McDonald's CEO says the quiet part loud! Says, we are living in a two tier economy where the rich are getting richer and doing very well. While the middle and lower class are getting poorer and having to skip meals.
This is what politics for the left used to sound like in NZ before MMP. I miss the days when they really had to fight, and you felt like you were voting for something definitive.
It shouldn’t be up for debate that all workers deserve wages that meet the bare minimum for a life of dignity. How does NZ have no political representation standing behind locking the living wage with the minimum wage? Poverty wages are a political choice.
You dropped your tinfoil hat.
It already has. The older men are only deciding elections because all leaders, regardless of gender or political alignment, keep choosing neoliberalism.
not the oof.
Of course he is. Not that a new player is going to bring prices down. They don't compete on volume, they compete on profit margins.
Did the grocery commissioner fix it? Neither of your parties have any intention of doing anything to actually fix grocery prices. This is a years long issue, neither of you have a single solution to offer while you fake caring. No fix coming from the duopolistic political stronghold that is MMP
It's not a left coalition with Labour part of it, but fwiw the Green's don't need a bigger majority to have non negotiable demands. The right wing smaller parties have them.
No. Everyone said it would happen, they're all here. That's just a picture of the person who ignored, even her own, warnings and decided to instead lose an election willingly.
How brainwashed can you be?
So the voters who don't want to support The Green's should just have no representation, leaving them opting out of voting and Reform wins?
I agree they shouldn't. But I wish it were that simple. Since MMP it has been locked up in an effective two party system where each of them control one option. Until we get representation willing to go against BOTH of them, nothing will fundamentally change. We can only keep demanding it.
that reflects the wellbeing of the working people. But then that wouldn't suit the interests of their owners if the people understood they are not the economy. The economy is the people they are handing over all their earnings to. The capital class. Can't have that.
Legacy media deliberately misuse "economy" and "inflation" all the time to obfuscate what is going on for regular working people. He gets mad when people mistakenly use terms which conflates the issues, even though he does the same thing. Maybe media should stop talking about 'the economy' as if
Nope. That's why I said "not just". Unions had to take Andrew Little to court in the last two terms, and this govt is of course anti worker all the way. The more rights they can strip the better. We need a working class people party to take on those two and restore workers rights.
If all the unions from around the world join them we can end this genocide. Maybe even free Palestine.
Not just this govt. We haven’t had one who supports the living wage as the minimum. And it was under the last government that interest rates began to rise to push people out of work (wage suppression) thanks to their capitulating to National who kept spouting “maximum sustainable employment”.
now can become more expensive. They don’t care if they sell less, it’s about profit margins, not volume.
They really do want to force this false narrative don’t they? There’s a reason the duopoly aren’t mad about the changes. Bringing in the likes of Aldi is just enshittification. We don’t need a whole store of home brands, it doesn’t make food cheaper, it just creates a new floor so the brands we love
* they are the duh!, not you ftr.
If the last government had represented the people who voted for them, then the self centred men over 50 wouldn't be deciding the election.
Are they though? I mean of course they are always going to look after their own interests. Duh! But isn't the real problem all the voters being left out because they don't have representation at all? It's our political representatives who are the problem, not voters.
Maybe not, but what it does do is change who is having children. Population effects aside, it seems like it would be good if the people who don't want children don't have them and those who do want them can/do.
I mean NZ slave labour has been hard at work building the US oligarchs their bunkers in the country for years now.
Democrats forget to care when their party has the power.
0rganizing is good. Neither party is "easier". Do not vote for people who do not represent you in any way, shape, or form because you falsely think you can move them on their position.
I know you know I never claimed organizing under Trump was anything other than hard. But do keep deflecting.
Did you forget what the topic of this conversation is? Because that isn't it, is it? The Democrats are not easier to organize under, but liberals wouldn't know that because they don't organize under them. Only people who care about the millions of people harmed by both branches understand this.
Can't get too bothered about the Democrats putting more resources into preventing all organizing for working class people policy than they do stopping far right fascism? k.
Not really a bernie bro, are ya? The DNC gathered all their resources to prevent that ever happening.
Huh, remember when New Zealand had some semblance of left wing politics? Probably not, because it has been three decades. @nzgreenparty.bsky.social #nzpol
We celebrate when everyone is on at least the living wage. And we stop electing politicians who refuse to make it the minimum wage.
I really don’t know, but it’s just so grim.
Did you suffer a brain injury? Seems like you already forgot what they did when people attempted to organize for M4A.
Would we celebrate holiday's like Christmas at a different time to the northern hemisphere or would we have it in the middle of the year? Having it separated from the summer holidays would be great.
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Liberals threw all of their ostensible "values" in the toilet to support a right-wing genocidal apartheid state.
To be fair that seems like just another day for them, they've moved a couple of times in the past few years, and it's not the first time they've been through this.
I wonder if they'll make it through this time? That company seems to have nine lives.
Drag them back how? If not by having policy demands. We've heard this for decades now and we've witnessed the harmful results of this strategy in the Northern Hemisphere. There is no dragging them once they have the power. It's done. It's not a left coalition with Labour without bottom lines.
Honestly, if/when he does that if the leftist parties we have don't start slagging Labour off right back, then fuck them forever too. It's going to be very easy to ask Hipkins' why he is opposed to fairer policy that improves the material conditions of working people in this country.
Not if it's a Labour platform, which is what got us here. It's got to be a substantial meaningful working class people focused platform with an intention to deliver (no more vague faux promises) or it will be the same result as last election when that's what voters wanted.
There really is no excuse for The Green's to not have bottom lines going into the election.
They say that every first time writer puts themselves into the story as a main character.
I'd take lazy over what he is - self serving.
If I were to be putting a bet it would be on the latter. If true, then wow, it speaks to how manipulative our state media has become. They should never have not been this straight up about him, pos loser that he is or not.
What's the supposed strategic voting? Unfortunately we have been voting as progressives as possible hoping they will drag Labour left after the election since the inception of MMP. What we must do is demand they have these progressive policies as bottom lines in exchange for support for Labour.
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Honestly the gall of Robertson never ceases. Sir, you were supposed to be the change. Once again their incremental approach failed. No it’s not fit for purpose, as it wasn’t 7 yrs ago. How many times do we have to keep saying it? It’s no good politicians agreeing only when it’s out of their hands.
You mean not having won over voter support. The “we’ll have to wait and see” rhetoric being part of that failure.
You keep saying the Green's won't be in a position to have any leverage. Therefore why waste on vote on them? That's your position, right?
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That’s a great idea.
We know the 2020 election result will not be repeated. Despite MMP capturing us in an effective two party system, the parties owe us a platform we support, we do not owe them votes.
Well yes I intend to. I fundamentally disagree with your argument. I think it's an absurd claim that the left cannot have demands. We can and we should. If the left coalition want our votes then they should have to earn them. I will not join those who are willing to give theirs away without demands
You just correctly stated we don't know what the outcome will be. And as I said to you I can't take backsies after the fact. Why do you want me to keep voting for this party you keep telling me are powerless again?
Yeah that's the problem. Do you see how absurd that is. "Anyone's guess". That's a hard no from me. Fwiw I support increasing taxes/a tax switch on the wealthy as opposed to a wealth tax. Very simple, immediate, and guaranteed to work.
Look, you think you're getting enough, good for you. Not me considering the price I'm expected to pay (enabling Labour into leadership). Sorry it's a no. I'm not willing to do so without significant payoff.
Please do show me where it says in the MMP manual you must have "this much" of the vote to have certain demands? You're literally just making things up. And again, like I said why would I continue voting for them under your theory? After 30yrs of doing so I'd have to be an absolute mug, wouldn't I?
I agree, but can someone please explain what 'fighting back' looks like? Because it doesn't seem to be arm twisting the opposition into coming up with a campaign so good, voters just can't say no. I don't see any of their supporters demanding anything of them.
There is no magic number assigned as bargaining power. It's up to them what they are willing to hold out for/give away. If you think asking me to continue to vote under this theory that this party will never have enough bargaining power, that's a fail strategy. Why would I?
Oh RNZ has been getting worse for quite some time now. Nothing surprises me from them anymore. The days of us expecting better from them are gone, sadly.
At least a tax switch included. I had several things I wanted to see as non negotiable, but I never close the door on compromise as long as it’s fair. But what I will be closing the door on going forward is nothing at all.
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As a New Zealander, let me very clear. I do not want stronger messaging, I want stronger policy. That’s it. That was the price last election, and the answer was no. So it was a no from me. Same deal next year.
I wish that were true of the FBI
Brooke Is living in la la land. And who wants to hear what the guy who refused a fairer tax system and remained committed to austerity, has to say. The only thing of value there is Chloe’s expression.
Sorry, I'm the wrong person for that. I deliberately didn't vote for them last election after many years specifically because of their coalition partner Labour and the Green's failure to have bottom lines.
For wealthy foreigners who want to turn NZ into their own personal playground, sure. Thanks Luxon.
Because they're desperately trying to juice the housing market again. The NZ economy depends on people being continuously exploited via putting a roof over their heads. Just got to get enough people to develop FOMO, never mind the fact it's become beyond their means. Minor details.
There's no question about that. It's getting an alternative to the ongoing bullshit that is proving decidedly difficult.
My daughter told me the other day next year’s new grads are only getting offered 0.6 FTEs by Te Whatu Ora. Presumably to claim to be hiring more than they really are. How are they supposed to live on wages from 3 shifts a week? And there are still new grads from last yr without jobs.
They clearly aren’t the only one’s. I doubt Netanyahu’s wishes have changed much between Biden and Trump. This is on the entire US congress. Without whom it could not be possible.
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Working "day"? lolz
The poor are more likely to need a car to work and just get by, but let's deny them that.
I'm getting closer to poor and my volunteer job (let alone my paid job) which requires a car would be entirely out of the question. Are the wealthy going to do it? I fucking doubt it.
Yes, but she would have the advantage of Hipkins' to help her.
Yes. Insecure men can just never give it up.
Perspective is interesting isn’t it? To me it seems like a lot longer. So much has happened in the time since.
I’m not wedded to any party either, that wasn’t my question. Are we supposed to be wedded to them all in this effective two party system?
The 2017-2020 Labour led govt was unforgivable. They get a small reprieve for SOME decisions in 2020-21, and then back to being unforgivable again. Overall shit just got worse. Shit just keeps getting worse.
timeframe. But I doubt any of these are the reason she has beef. There is plenty of legitimate criticism to be made of Labour, but absolutely zero amount of it makes the media, because the other 'side' of the political aisle supports exactly those things.
I haven't forgiven them for doubling house prices in record time after campaigning on housing affordability, or addressing the corporations who Ardern acknowledged were 'fleecing us', or for failing to do the bare minimum WEAG recommendations, or for failing to deliver our hospital in the promised
Now now you know your mortgage is good debt. Pay off any bad debt first, then pay off your mortgage enough to leverage that capital against your pop and pop investment house. The NZ economy way.
Youth is rising against fascism. The bosses have made a grave error. Youth have NO FUTURE under capitalism, & most are smart enough to know it.
Nope, indeed not.
Agree, but if that's what they are going to pretend it is while they enact policy their wealthy donors want, then we better play the game the best we can. Just throwing out hands in the air and being content with crumbs tossed our way has gone very badly for the majority of working class people.
Yeah many small businesses (and a lot of others) just learning they are also not 'the economy'. Is the wealth being transferred to the top? That's the economy. The line is going up, just because it's not going up for you, doesn't make it a bad economy. We need to redefine what the economy is.
Would it though? Putting man in front of bun is just so ludicrous. It's a bun. On a man. Or, it's a bun, on a woman. ooh ok, and? Absurd things on all of us tbf (except on ballerinas), but damn practical.
A paltry 9%, what a joke. Come on, where are all the "supply will fix the housing crisis" people championing much much more than that, because that's how houses become affordable again, supposedly, right?