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Searching for the when in America of the then as the great to make again

people both rightly and wrongly accuse MCU of avoiding saying anything substantial, but I think its comforting that the audience is just a little better equipped to recognise that "Not slaves — prisoners with jobs" is villain shit

Yes, that's the plan for sure. The US already has a huge prison-slave workforce and this could double or treble it. America has always thrived on the work of the underpaid and non-paid.

That would be a concentration camp.

The Nazis did a lot of that

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There’s a name for that, Himmler ran them.

Yeah. They'll say some bullshit like, "We offer them a choice: deportation or working back to pay benefits they've accrued and a chance for legal residency."

Very similar system was used after emancipation? Former slaves given long sentences on flimsy charges, then sent to work for free

that's exactly how it will work

It’s called a concentration camp. No different than Nazi Germany with the added feature of alligators, 120 degree heat and flights to foreign death camps instead of trains. Prisoners don’t exactly get “paid” now in most prisons. They basically get overpriced phone money and a bag of chips.

My assumption as well.

Here too. Or rather And Then Some

Also traditional slavery.

The same what for decades already happens in jails.

resulting to "more competitive labor rates" vs. china. might even be cheaper than robots. zero-sum game of unfettered capitalism!

Didn't realise Trump had pretty much already said this will be their policy h/t ‪‪@oskcar.bsky.social‬‬ bsky.app/profile/fetc...

Fuck him!

MASA, it’s that what slaves called the ‘bossman’ back in the day?

usa will be run like russia, gulag here and there. Shitler is systematically disabling and dismantling the American Constitution, democratic structures, and processes. This is a war on Freedom, Liberty, and Democracy. Fight Fascism with everything you have. #Freedom #Liberty #Democracy #Fascism

Well wait he talks about them being here legally to be fair.

Well, his first foreign trip was to the Gulf States... He must have picked up some tips about the Kafala system.

Before: Arresting African Americans for minor offences and misdemeanours in order to exploit them. Today also: Pogroms on immigrants in order to exploit them "Made in the USA" was always perverse.

"Owner responsibility" sure sounds like slavery."

The way he intentionally emphasized “owner” is too obvious.

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"they've worked on the farm for 15 years, and all of a sudden...." They are rounded up and sent illegally to El Salvador.

Too many people have forgotten about the approx. 12 million 'indentured labourers' and 'slave labourers' of the Nazi regime between 1933 and 1945. For decades the victims felt stigmatised by having (forcibly) aided the Nazi war-machine. Often these people were taken off the streets in Nazi raids.

Like in the "Razzia of Rotterdam" on November 10th & 11th, 1944, 52,000 men aged 17-40 were picked off the streets of Rotterdam in areas locked down by German troops. Allied air raids on Germany frequently targeted the accommodations of indentured labourers. stichtingreisvanderazzia.nl?page_id=717

No one has mentioned anyone working without pay and this is most likely the roll out of the H2A & H2B programs which the Trump admin has been promoting but which were created by the Biden administration. www.uscis.gov/working-in-t...

I'm confused. Is what Trump has in mind indentured servitude: farm labourers being turned into the farmer's serfs for a given period? Or is this full-blown chattel slavery where people arrested by the executive become the state's property to be rented to "employers" (in a new sense of the word)?

"Owners" responsibility. Sure sounds like slavery Eliot. That he can say this in broad daylight with no shame should be shocking. That it will be spun by right wing media as some kind of wholesome capitalist-worker relationship underlines that we truly live in the age of Orwellian doublespeak.

Right wing media won’t have to spin it because mainstream media won’t highlight these disturbing remarks.

They'll spin it when the slaves .. sorry "workers" ... are in their owner's shanty towns cooking grits on open fires.

H2A is for farms and H2B is for other business owners. That's all he's saying. Listen again, he's not referring to people.

Yes, correct. This clip is about a scheme whereby owners of businesses (farms or otherwise) could apply for some sort of protection against deportation of their workers, in exchange of taking responsibility for those workers. Trump may be in favour of slavery, but he's not talking about that here.

You're an idiot. Listen again yourself. "It's called farmer responsibility - or owner responsibility - where they'll be responsible for these PEOPLE".

Farmer responsibility = 2A Owner responsibility = 2B Read the criteria, it matches up with what's being said as do the terms the programs use. Trump is never going to get through infrastructure week, his admin is never going to be able to create anything, they just rebrand what already exists.

It's a good example of how Trump/Miller's awfulness primes all of us to think the worst... because often the worst is reality. TBH given his cognitive state I doubt he knows the difference in visa classes. He believes what Miller tells him about Supreme Court rulings and what Fox says about polls.

Listen again. He is talking about people, "they will be responsible for these PEOPLE".

These people hear what they want to hear because it absolves them of the responsibility to do anything about it. The words are clear and the context is clear. You can explain it again and again till you turn blue into the face. Americans will pretend not to see what's right in their face.

And half of our country says, sure why not. Because we're truly a fascist country now.

Not half. Check out any polls on the topic. Way too many though.

I'm still shocked by it, though I'm British, so maybe that's normal. I don't know. Looks ugly AF from where I'm standing. Not the proudest of moments for American people.

One assumes that those extra ICE agents will be needed to supervise these workers. And they’ll be able to dispense some encouraging justice for any slackers.

And then they'll have to work out what to do with the ones who can't work. The old and infirm, small children. I wonder what the solution to that problem could possibly be /s JFHC these people are beyond appalling

It was made public on Fox too. As someone else stated, this is the reintroduction of chattel slavery, the "owners" being "owners" of *people*. www.msn.com/en-us/news/p...

This has Stephen Miller written all over it.

Maybe his BBQ grill blows up!

They’re so disgusting. If we can learn the companies profiting off of this labor, we can boycott them.

Yup. And 13th Amendment never outlawed slavery. It’s always had the loophole “except as punishment for a crime”. Count on him using that. He won’t even need to do this “illegally”.

The Supreme Court will rule on it... in 2029. But as for TROs or injunctions in the meantime, *maybe* those few of the enslaved with good lawyers whose cases have bubbled up through the appeals. (Meanwhile the regime gets a special Supreme Ct hotline.) Your survivors may get compensation in 4 yrs.

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