I'm guessing that you are white, male, young, and have never done any work for the Democratic Party.

What a weird interaction this one turned into.

Yeah, a little baffled. But hard to teach politics and economics on social media.

There's a difference between stating your conclusion and teaching. Good teachers start with facts rather than opinions.

What is fact and what is opinion in my comments, in your opinion?

Your statement is pure opinion. It's shared by a good many young white men who have never actually been involved with a party.

I stand behind my statement that effectively only progressives are fighting fascism. In fact we were warning it was coming for a long time. We tried to get Neolib Dems to get off the welfare for billionaires train many times, but nope. And they are still more willing to hate on progressives …

than fight MAGA. And the bizarre logic you are using in this exchange just reinforces the fact that neolib dems will make up as much nonsense as MAGA to justify their allegiance to the failed ideas that drove the development of fascism in this country.

And are you a youngish white male?

Why are you so obsessed with young white males and how does that justify supporting neoliberal economic ideology?

Wow, your radar is so off!

Wow! Hilarious. Guess based on all the terrible judgement and utter lack of critical thinking, you think giving all our money to billionaires is good for the country?

Confirmed that you are full of yourself.

Nope. Wrong again.

Of course. You are superior to everyone else.

Not really sure where you’re going with this, but you keep heading further afield.

I'm a progressive Dem. They aren't mutually exclusive. With repubs being a washout. We have a very big tent.

Didn’t say they were. The real reason political divide in the is country is between neolibs ( be they far rightwingers or “centrist” Dems) and those who do not believe in welfare for billionaires. This divide has been thrown into stark contrast by the neolib Dems freak out over progressive Mandami.

I see most things as economics and cultural. Now, I also frame things around theories of how modern autocracies work. My favorite new book is Autocracy INC. My grandparents and dad were old-time communists. But even their beliefs can't be buttonholed. They believed in democracy.

Mandami seems great. I wonder if many moderates might vote for him because he's intelligent and charismatic. That goes a long way. Plus Cuomo sucks. People are getting we need big changes.

I even often listen to the Bulwark too. Because it amazes me they get we're fighting authoritarians. Even if I don't agree with most of their conservative positions. Anyways, I just look for facts and truth. I try to respect those who voted for Trump who aren't wealthy. They felt desperate.

Some of them likely did and many were just gullible (but also racist, because they are gullible enough to believe that the source of their problems are other poor people). Try the “I’ve had it” podcast with Jennifer Welch. You might like it.

It also explains why most Dems are playing dead in this, the greatest hour of need our country has seen since the Civik War.

I think we're getting going on fighting this. The last big marches hit the 3.5% of the country mark. The number needed to be actively be working to overthrow facist governments. To get something done. We aren't there yet but we're out of practice.

I hope you’re right, but I’m pretty sure the inaction from Dems comes from the donors. Which means the donors are okay with what is happening or think their riches will allow them to survive it. 3.5% just means we now have enough people that understand that they are experiencing a coup

to start to organize another 3-5% so we can start the non-compliance phase. But, while I was happy enough to have a big Dem tent, it is clear the neoliberal Dems are not. The way they attacked Mamdani, as just one example, demonstrates that they are more willing to fight progressives than MAGA.

This is not just ideology. It's politics and power. They don't want new power to come in. One that threatens the money of their donnors. Corruption is the same everywhere. Those are politicians not the electorate. The voters will vote for what makes sense for their and others' economic situation.

I hope do, but people are rarely so rational. The money buys a lot of propaganda. But hopefully the near-complete inaction of the establishment Dems has opened some eyes.

I don't think it's near inaction for them. Turns out parties out of power can't do a lot in authoritarian takeovers. If it weren't for Schumer. They'd have stopped the gov quickly. Which takes guts. Schumer has to go. Besides that it took a while but what they're doing is about it. S Korea,

Poland, the Philippines, and Romania were all done through peoples actions. Mass protests, courts, press, satire, and direct action. It's all about us. And if we win back our country. It will be up to hold the dems accountable to get things we need done.

They have all sorts of power which they are choosing not to use.

So, if we are “on the front lines”, so to speak, we can expect “friendly fire” from behind, from our own supposed side? Neolib Dems are more loyal to their ideology and the billionaires it created than to the party, the people and the country.

The only known antidote to neoliberalism and fascism is progressivism. If the “centrists” keep clinging to their failed economic ideas and attacking those trying to plot a course out of it, I don’t see how we win. But the fact that they can’t even even pretend until we are out of this is telling.

You been living under a rock the last week?

Is Collier not a Dem?

She is a member of the Democratic Party. That is why she is locked up. She is also likely a progressive, given that she is fighting back. No neolib Dems are fighting back.

Yes, I know why she's locked up and she identifies as Dem so when you say they don't fight back...What exactly is this narrative Dems don't do anything and then when Dems doing things is pointed out, it's oh well, they're not really Dems?

Newsom is a progressive now? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Newsome is a center-right corporatist. I’m not a fan but he’s much, much better than the fascists currently in charge.

If we anti-fascists wait for politicians who will be considered Perfect and Flawless by every one of us.....the fascists will be THRILLED. Let's not thrill them.

Agreed. And at the same time, let’s not capitulate in advance to having to settle for corporate sellouts.

If only the neolibs felt that way. I hope they change their position on progressivism.

*Newsom.

Thanks. Autocorrect made it two words and I removed the space without noticing.

Yeah, I enjoy his fight (and his female comms team’s), but I don’t trust him either.

He’s the exception that proves the rule.