'The court statement said a request to suspend World Boxing’s decision to bar Khelif until the case is heard was dismissed on Monday.' Good. Why does Khelif want exemption from World Boxing sex screen? Only one reason. www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/s...
Only one reason can be seen if you are a raging transphobe. So, that tracks.
And what on earth does “transphobia” have to do with it? No one claims Khelif is trans.
Gender, transphobia, this issue. It's all the same when dealing with the fucking virulently hateful bigots like you.
Which “fucking virulently hateful bigots” did you have in mind, kitten? The reality-based group or the La La Land bunch? Because there’s plenty of “bigotry” in both: “bigotry noun, “extreme intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.”
Thanks for proving my point better than I could. Priceless. Seriously, thanks.
Two reasons, actually: fairness and safety. Boxing is a potentially lethal combat sport.
This is not about transgender people tho'.
Gonna try and hide your hate behind semantics, huh? Yeah, many of the worst people in history have done the same.
Just listen to how infantile you sound with your 'haters'. This isn't the school playground. It's about women's rights.
Listen to the people 'on your side' here and what they have to say about women. You are on the side of the 'barefoot and pregnant' sexist idiots. Does it feel good?
Infantile? You don't think you will be included in the history books as a hater? I guess most don't have that kind of self awareness. This is about your hate. And everyone knows it.
You were born a woman? Prove it! Take the test.
Why do you think women would have a problem with this, which ensures that sport is safe and fair?
I do not think so. Nor would Khelif, if his claim of being “born a woman” were true.
Sorry, I got it, if a bit late ☺️
Not your fault. Everyone misunderstood. My bad.
Cathy isn’t competing in sports. Why are you so happy to see a man punching a woman in the face?
Of course not! Boy, quotation marks would really have helped here. 😂 Sorry for the confusion.
Completely happy to. Although I don't need to as I've conceived, carried a pregnancy & given birth. Fairly conclusive.
Heavens! I didn’t mean you, Cathy Devine. Khalief claims to have been “born a woman.” If so, the individual shouldn’t have any problem proving it with a simple DNA test.
*Khelif
Sorry, got the wrong end of the stick! 🤣
Entirely my fault. Everyone misunderstood.
Perhaps he’d also like to skip the weigh in, so he can punch even smaller women.
Who are these "enemies of success" that he's blaming? Boxing worships success above all things.
She is a woman. She was born female. What is wrong with women like you?
He’s a man with a condition that meant he was born with internal testes and a small penis that looked like a clitoris. He was initially raised as a girl but he went through male puberty, this gives him the speed, strength etc advantages of a man, he should not be competing against women.
You aren’t a feminist with attitudes like this. Feminists fight for equality, not try to hold others down based on assumptions and hatred. Your posts are deplorable. The only reason you and I even have the right to be posting like this is because of women before us. You dishonor them.
Yes, women before us fought hard for our rights. That’s why we are refusing to give them away to men, especially ones beating women to a pulp. It is you who dishonour women.
You’re not giving them away to men. Holy fucking shit. We are talking about women. Your stance is that men would go to the trouble of becoming trans women just to compete and beat women. It’s a pathetically transparently hateful and stupid argument. They have more rights as men.
Yes, that is exactly what I’m saying. Most of these men, I understand around ninety five percent keep their penises. Sticking a dress on doesn’t make a man a woman, nothing does, it’s biologically impossible.
This is a baseless statement. Stop thinking that your feelings about something means it’s true. It does not. You do not possess the information to make sweeping generalizations about a community you’re not a part of. It’s harmful and hateful and on the wrong side of history. Do better.
You are prioritising a male athlete over women competitors, you are the opposite of a feminist.
Nope. Weak ass argument. That’s not what people like me are doing. We are advocating for human right of athletes and not making trans athletes the scapegoats of our prejudices. Shameful bullshit.
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If trans women made their own category of sports people like you would get it banned. No matter what they do it will be wrong in your eyes
This would be genuinely excellent to see!
Hey what's with the a.i shit in your comments
What are you talking about?
The one image? I knocked that up in Canva in 5 minutes. And I know it looks like it.
Khelif is not a trans woman though. Anyway, knowing there was a sex test might stop other males with DSDs, some of whom may have been raised as girls and believe themselves to be women, from being exploited and put in the spotlight.
Also no women should have to prove there a woman, how people don't see that as de humanizing is beyond me
What a strange thing to say. How about 'no athlete should have to prove they are not taking steroids'?
Lesbians in America are being persecuted because they don't fit other people's view of women hood should they have to take a test to go to the bathroom
First, that is absolute nonsense. Second, we were talking about athletes! This is pretty desperate stuff!
Because persecution of trans people has cascaded to persecution of non gender conforming people
Khelif is not trans. The fact that there is such a campaign to co-opt her as trans is telling. Because she is useful to those who want to say that bodies don't matter, that biology is irrelevant. Even in boxing, which is ludicrous! No one is suggesting sex tests on lesbians wanting to use the loo!
Thank you MsTaken, trans people can’t see the difference between biological sex and gender
You realize it's prejudice against trans people are why she's having to deal with that I agree she shouldn't have to
No, she is facing criticism because she is male.
Yep, these haters disguised as saviours are littered all throughout history.
That’s right. We hate CHEATERS.
Speak of the haters and they come running.
We certainly do. We hate and despise CHEATERS.
Maybe have faith in women instead of treating them like a different species that's at the mercy of men
You know NOTHING about boxing or the physical disparities between males and females, do you? Just admit it: you’re completely unqualified to have this conversation.
If two people weigh the same and there both boxers who have trained for boxing, their muscle mass would be similar meaning they would be capable of the same things
Absolutely astonishing that anyone would say this. Are women engaged in a mass conspiracy to underperform? Are female athletes just not trying hard enough? Are we lazy? It's insulting beyond belief. We have women's sport because men are stronger and faster. You must know that?!?
You are MUCH too ignorant and/or self-serving to reason with. Buzz off, creep.
This is not correct. Look at the weight lifted my M and F weightlifters in the Olympics and see how much more the former can lift.
But if two individuals are in the same weight class why can't they compete against each other
At the Paris Olympics, the winner of the men’s 73kg weight class lifted 354kg.
At the same Olympics, the winner of the closest F category (71kg) lifted 262kg. (The heaviest weight lifted by a F winner, in the 81+ category, lifted 309kg.)
So only 19 more than the womans world record
Credit to you, few people are as eager to demonstrate their ignorance in public.
I DO have faith in women, and I could see at first glance this individual was a MALE. Male torso, male hips, male musculature, male face, male stance, male gait, male gestures, right down to the hand at the crotch. NO woman touches her crotch in public. Not EVER.
Listen to this expert on gender, y'all. Why is it the dumbest most hateful people think they are the experts in everything.
Male torso, male hips, male musculature, male face, male stance, male gait, male gestures, right down to the hand at the crotch. NO woman touches her crotch in public. Not EVER.
Listen to this freak.
If two individuals weigh the same amount why would that matter in boxing, also most people don't think about strangers genitals like you do, also also you don't care about equality you just hate trans people. Not a single one of your replies has been anything other than a low grade snide remark
'Haters'! Do you hear how infantile that is. Women's sports categories are not 'hate'.
We would LOVE for them to have their own category! Why not? Go for it! Ask the IOC to create one for you instead of cheating and abusing women. He won’t take the test because he KNOWS he’s male.
Nah you'd call them a risk to public morality
Where and when have women done that to trans people trying to organise their own sports category? If you're just saying that you "know" it would happen, that's a big stretch from it actually ever happening, isn't it?
Some women have actually been urging trans women to start their own category. On the rare occasions when such a category exists, trans women refuse to use them.
Because they want to be apart of society not crammed into a short bus to be ignored. Hormone therapy deletes whatever"privileges" someone has at birth. Should black people have been happy about segregated fountains
Oh, so we should let females get punched in the face by males whose punch has 160% more explosive power than a female’s so the male can feel like “just one of the girls”?
transitioning weakens a person immensely. this isn't just some dude saying their a girl now
But, yes, some people claiming to be trans do just say they’re a girl without making any further changes beyond hair, makeup, and wardrobe.
Those are outliers that get blown out of proportion and not representative of the trans community hell their not even trans
Yeah and they were not allowed to play in women’s sport with blood tests showing 2 years of suppressed T. Sports orgs figured this out years ago!
Yes, it makes a powerful man a weaker man. But suppressed testosterone in males is doping level in a female and would disqualify any female. Either way, it’s irrelevant to Imane Khelif, who is not trans.
That's just not true
No, even a testosterone suppressed male has much higher levels of testosterone than women.But what is most important is male puberty, this gives males greater height,longer limbs, a significantly higher muscle to fat ratio, faster twitch (explosive) power,a hip angle more advantageous to running etc
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‘Transwomen’ already have their own category, it’s called the men’s. There have been attempts to create new categories for ‘trans’, ‘non-binary’ etc but the men just didn’t show up, suggesting they just want to dominate women’s sports and LARP around in the women’s changing rooms.
You have absolutely no basis to suggest this whatsoever. Why do you think there is almost universal support for the creating of an open category in endurance events?
My basis is the Republican party's entire history of hatred
This issue is equally relevant in countries other than the USA. Shocking but true.
And their's equally hateful groups in all of them
I'm a member of the @teamlabouruk.bsky.social. On the left of the party. Socialist. Feminist. Nowhere near the UD Republican Party. Stop smearing left wing socialist feminists.
Didn't ask
You started talking about the Republican party under my post.
You remind me of them
lol full on victim mindset.. ludicrous.
Yeah because boomers have been so kind to trans people
You are not sticking to your argument. You said that the OP would seek to ban a trans sport category. That is a ridiculous thing to say. The issue is NOT trans it's about safe spaces for women. A space for trans sports does not conflict with safe spaces for women.
I'm saying hate groups target whatever trans people do. Someone who transitions to female isn't going to have the advantages of "being a man" in a sport because they don't have those levels of t anymore. Natural born women can have more testosterone than a trans person even.
I don't know which hate groups you are referring to so I can't comment properly. Certainly women seeking safe spaces for women are certainly not a hate group. They want safe spaces for women. Seems quite sensible to me.
Really their aren't hate groups for the lgbtq+ are you actually gonna make that argument
I didn't say that. I said I didn't know enough but the hate groups you referred to. I did say that women seeking safe spaces for women do not constitute a hate group; there would be nothing gained by seeking to stop trans only sports.
Trans people don't want to be treated differently what's so hard to understand also could a woman play in a mans sport if she decided
It's about safe spaces for women. I think that is very important and should be supported by everyone.
This pivot is why the sport debate is nonsense. If T is suppressed for enough time advantage goes away. But it’s all bad faith - you simply are uncomfortable with trans people. However they don’t do any actual harm so you have to invent some to make your feelings of discomfort make sense
Meanwhile society is collapsing and people’s blood pressure is up over this. Men continue to bloody women in real ways all over and you chose discomfort over someone with no power minding their own business over material harm from men with power in homes, business and politics.
I support safe spaces for women. That includes women only sports. Seems fair enough to me. Your replies are trying to put arguments in my mouth that are easier for you to counter. It's like you want me to be saying those things.
Trans women are not a danger. Not in sports (when hormones are managed) not in anywhere. Trans women are not a problem in real life, only in media and the internet
You do know that Imane isn't trans? Trans people are welcome to set up their own categories but the lack of competition will make it lack lustre. That's not what any of them want though is it. We just want the women's category to be female only.
'If trans women made their own category of sports ...' But they don't, do they? In fact, establishing their own categories is the furthest thing from their minds. It's almost as though encroachment into women's single sex spaces is their sole motivation.
The minute a group of transgender people try to organize anything people like you do everything in your power to stop them. Also your clearly alluding that all transgender people are predators so have the balls to say it out loud.
Where have "people like you" ever tried to stop transgender people self-organising a sporting event? I must have missed that news. Please point me to when and where it's happened.
You come from a country where a trans child was stabbed to death by her classmates
And you come from a country where several trans people killed school children in mass shootings!
Multiple linked to neo Nazi groups idiot
What does that have to do with trans athletes competing in the women's sports category?
You come from a country where every year 5,000+ children die from being shot. What's your point?
Your conservative ideology is responsible for that
Not only do I not have a 'conservative ideology', but I don't even live in your country. It wasn't me who put Donald Trump in the White House. Twice. You can't hold me responsible for your fuck-ups.
Not referring to the party genius
Please either: 1. Cite a single, solitary example of trans people attempting to organise their own sports competition or category, but being thwarted by 'people like me'; or 2. Retract. I'll wait.
The entire conservative media Goliath that has been spreading misinformation about these people for as long as I've been born. While there are small local groups scattered throughout the US a country wide organization would get demolished by evangelical america and people like you
But can you cite a single, solitary example of trans people attempting to organise their own sports competition or category, but being thwarted by 'people like me'?
How do trans people organizing anything go. God fearing Christians happens.
I'm struggling to understand your example here. Are you saying that evangelical Christians are stopping trans people from organising their own sporting categories? If so, is that who you think we are who are here arguing for sex to be considered a relevant factor in sports?
You're from the UK you're not part of that group. also it's not about the sports it's about a group of people being segregated because their perceived as different and evil
Counterpoint: banning males from female boxing is absolutely about sport. And, of course, the rights, interests and welfare of women, rather than the demands of men. 👍
This thread happens to be about a male boxer with a DSD (which means he's not even "trans") not being able to box against women anymore. That's pretty far from segregating people because they're perceived as "different and evil" as you can get.
Enough of the grand proclamations with nothing to substantiate them. For the third time, I invite you to cite a single, solitary, concrete example.
Of the dumb sports argument or the rights of trans people being under attack
*sigh* Fourth time of invitation. Cite a single, solitary, concrete example of your claim that 'If trans women made their own category of sports people like you would get it banned.' But you won't, because you can't.
No misinformation needed to point out the problems with "these people". Just the truth. bsky.app/profile/gudu...
World Aquatics organised a category for them with wide support from athletes. Nobody entered. 'Update on the Open Category competitions at the World Aquatics Swimming World Cup – Berlin 2023' share.google/jDvBv4d9becG...
Also that's essentially segregation
By weight not how people where born get the difference?
That chart is exclusive to males. Categories in boxing are specified first by sex, and then within sex by weight. I don't believe you're so spectacularly ignorant as to not know this, so I can only assume you're being disingenuous.
Because society decides to
Males with trans identities or DSDs have two choices: 1. Compete in male categories with all the other males & avoid 'segregation'. 2. Campaign for additional categories. Like all males, they are not eligible to compete in female categories. Because female people have rights too.
Yeah they should have a right to compete against whoever they want not just people with a specific set of chromosomes. Many women have conditions where their chromosomes don't necessarily line up the traditional xx set. Do you think they should get thrown in with the men
They don't just test for XX. They look for a functioning SRY gene - something that only men have. They even make allowances for XY CAIS. And categories don't work when you pick which one you want to join! Otherwise elite men could compete against disabled girls.
'their chromosomes don't necessarily line up the traditional xx set.' Describing the XX chromosome pair as 'traditional', as though it were an old recipe for carbonara. You really are a top-drawer buffoon.
🤣 That's not how categories work. Nobody can just choose the category they fancy. Because other people have a right to fairness & safety too.
Yeah that's what weight classes are for if 2 people weigh the same they can do the same
As I said. Weight categories operate within sex categories. Because weight for weight males have significantly more muscle mass than females. Particularly when it comes to upper body composition.
Would that be a category that has trans men and women in the same competition
Yes. So males still have an advantage. Perfect for Lia Thomas.
So you agree men and women should compete together
No. I think there should be two additional categories. But WAq made a start.
Why not just have everyone compete together
You want to get rid of female sport categories? What would the Olympics look like do you think?
Fun fact: the World Swimming Ass. offered a separate 3rd category (in the middle of the Lia Thomas crisis). Nobody entered. Apparently, it's no fun if you can't crush women athletes's dreams.
You're right all trans people hate women. They're all colluding to destroy the hopes of women. I just hope old white dudes will step in to protect them like they always have. Maybe Donald trump will step up to the plate or maybe Andrew tate
Not so petulant when you're proving wrong. Why do you believe nobody entered the 3rd class when one was offered? It would have been any easy way for Thomas to prove it's about the swimming, not about the easy win.
After having your entire identity questioned why would anyone humor that when they probably don't want to be segregated
Sport is all about segregation. We don't let adults compete with children or heavy weight boxers with light weights. Same with male and female. If you're not willing to be "segregated," you don't belong in the competition at all.
No.
Mind blown
Why does Khelif want exemption from World Boxing sex screen? Because she knows she's not a biological woman, otherwise she would take the test. The vast majority of elite women athletes do not believe it is fair for biological males with DSD and trans women to compete in their category. Enough.
Of course it’s not fair for women, it’s cheating
'Imane Khelif has appealed to the court of arbitration for sport over World Boxing’s decision to bar the 26-year-old from its events without a preliminary genetic sex test.' No. Female boxers & women everywhere are completely over 'passport sex'. Female sport is for females only.
This is where too many people lose a sense of perspective. Some people are seemingly trying to argue that there should be no sex verification whatsoever in a combat sport that can result in serious injury to participants. /1
This isn’t about trans persons, or intersex persons, but is all about safety. The notion someone would even try to argue their participation should be unconditional on verification is so far down the rabbit hole. /2
As always, there are numerous ways to support trans and intersex people within sports. But we have to put safety first.
🤔 Hum... therefore, for you, gender is a biological construct, not a social one?
No. Sex is biology. Gender is politically & socially constructed.
Exactly... therefore your argument of "female" goes to biology?
Correct. Female is a biological term.
Why "female" athetes... then?
