a) that’s exactly the response I expected you to give b) So while the world moves on at an ever quickening pace, economics is unrecognisable from 125 years ago (c.f. $ quadrillions in options markets today), our politics “must” be bound to 125 years ago? c) … and whither the “Conservative” party?
does business still require labour?
No don’t ask that question! The Centrist Middle Manager with zero understanding of the world outside their little bubble of privilege could be easily triggered.
That’s the interesting question: What happens when capitalism gets so good at making profits out of intellectual property that it no longer needs to employ people? (Ironically capitalism has only ever been successful for the masses due to the “annoyance” of having to employ labour to die the work.)
Interesting typo with the “die” that’s why the Labour movement matters. Less people dying for capital.
What do you imagine a ‘Labour movement’ should do? Turn back the clock? Tell companies not to use AI? You do realise that a Labour movement is an irrelevance in a post-work world?
there is no post-work world that's going to arrive during our lifetimes, and yeah they should demand companies stop using ai where the application is a nonsense
This post-work nonsense is almost as delusional as Musk’s colonising Mars fantasies. Amazing people still believe this nonsense 🙄
Fascinating. You genuinely believe that?
absolutely. the technology is nowhere near and, even if people don’t understand it technically, you can tell because they are desperately trying to foist it upon us as opposed to hoarding it for themselves
It doesn’t require belief. You can evidence it. LLM AI is just parasitic bullshit that simpletons believe will magically take away the need for human labour.
Current LLM isn’t even as good as the majority of advanced cybernetic systems. It’s a distraction; scraping the knowledge and work of humans and pretending it is original.
Well, the way I would put it is that LLMs show that people assume that if something can construct the words to pass the Turing Test, people seem to assume there is some reasoning behind it, even though there isn’t. More a test of human stupidity than artificial intelligence
Again we actually agree there. However where we significantly differ is the post work world. Not coming any time soon; which is the technological argument against how stupid the Labour Party are being.
We don’t need AI (in it’s current form). It’s only function is to reduce wage payments for already overly wealthy parasites. Also someone have to be utterly delusional to believe we live in a post work world this century.
Robotics is decades away from achieving human flexibility. LLM are utter crap. Whatever fantasy world you’re living in reality is going to hurt when you collide with it.
LLMs are largely hype, I agree. But I wouldn’t bet against the Deep Learning crowd: E.g.: this lot, teaching cars to drive cities, such as London wayve.ai/thinking/
i agree that autonomous driving will be useful, but it’s probably still a decade away too (though we should be moving away from cars, especially in cities)
Yes, agree.
Oh not betting against Deep Learning (and actually nice we sort of agree). However the AI industry right now is overwhelmingly hype.
Definitely. Have you noticed the proliferation of LLM models, in an attempt to defeat the Garner Hype Cycle (Trough of Disillusionment)? I.e. whenever one model fails dismally, the stock response will be “ahhh yes, but have you tried the other/next model?”
* Gartner
Pretty much. Also the overwhelming majority of “tech bros” are actually nepobabies selling the latest snake oil Very little genuine talent. Including fools like Tim Cook, Musk and Thiel.
It hoards them in copyright cabals so people have to work to pay for anything in a rentier economy.
Because with Labour and others selling out to the lie that Billionaires earned their money; we have a new form of economic feudalism.
And when the machines do (almost) all the work?
Are you imagining stuff again? Because AI and Robotics are decades away from that. Despite the hype that some gullible fools buy in to.
i.e. It's never going to happen.
I wouldn’t say never but not in a capitalist society at least.
Why not? Employment is a side effect of inefficiency, something that capitalists look to optimise out. (Note the irony that thing that makes capitalism popular/“successful” is thing they want to remove). A tech improves, trend will be to make more money from IP, faster, using fewer people.
Very clear to me that an event horizon is coming, maybe soon, where there with be a clear parting of success of IP owners and everyone else. Capitalism great at creating “Bullshit Jobs” (cf David Graeber), but it seems to me that the supply of new jobs will dry up, leaving tending the machines.
In short: Capitalism is on a path to succeed to the point that it no longer benefits the overwhelming majority of the population. Either we prepare for that (UBI), or we’ll see mass unrest in society. And we currently seem very bad at preparing for things.
So if you were expecting that reply why didn’t you just shut up knowing it was the reply you’d get? Because you’re a clueless ignorant reply guy who adds zero value with your commentary. Or is people repeatedly telling how clueless you are the closest you get to human interaction these days?
In other countries, company management and unions work together, unions have a seat on the board. I imagine that such constructive, productive, collaboration must give you the horrors.
Far from it. You do imagine a lot of things and then think they are real though. Instead of imagining things have you considered learning stuff?
Good. We have some common ground. Now let’s talk about how we achieve such a system in Britain, in a two party state where one aligns closely with business/management* and other is literally institutionally connected to the unions? (* technically Tories put xenophobia ahead of everything else)