Patrick’s ERA+ is 14 percent better than the league average and Anderson has been 43% better. Both in 60+ innings! In no universe, at any point in history, are either of those guys “not ML ready” Absolute insanity.
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Pitching 60 innings doesn't make a player good, it just means he's played. Have you watched Anderson? The only games in the past month with good stats have been blowouts. The stats in close games are horrendous.
aug 27, 2025, 4:23 am • 0 0 • view
Grant Anderson is a fine guy to have in your bullpen. He generates ground balls, limits runs and can pitch a lot. Given how many better pitchers they generally have in their pen, he isn't used a ton to protect close leads, which is ideal. But if he does have to, you could do A LOT worse.
aug 27, 2025, 4:53 am • 0 0 • view
To be fair to the OP, Patrick was a stud the first two months of the season but since June 11th he has 20 ERs (only 42 on the year). That's 20 ER over his last 35.1 innings. That's not good. I do think he's MLB ready, but he might fit better outta the pen personally.
aug 27, 2025, 3:39 am • 0 0 • view
In other words he’s a 4/5 starter. He’d be up starting for like 20-25 of the teams in MLB and in the pen for most of the others. That he can’t find a roster spot is a testament to our depth, nothing else.
aug 27, 2025, 3:42 am • 1 0 • view
I dunno. First, this team doesn't a 4/5 starter they need an ACE. A Greinke, Sabathia, Burnes, etc. They have none. And the whole point of my post is that you need a horse down the stretch not a guy who is 3-8 and can't get through five innings at all.
aug 27, 2025, 4:19 am • 0 0 • view
Two retired guys from a previous generation and a dude who blew his arm out after three years of 190+?
aug 27, 2025, 5:02 am • 1 0 • view
And Greinke is kind of an odd inclusion, because he averaged *exactly* 6 innings per start as a Brewer, and dealt with overuse injuries in his only full season here that limited him to 28 starts.
aug 27, 2025, 5:15 am • 1 0 • view
to play fair, in term's of comparing longevity, greinke never had the indication of being a guy who couldn't get through the lineup three times. ever. chad patrick has shown with consistency that he cannot face a lineup three times. he is not a starter, he's the perfect candidate for long relief.
aug 27, 2025, 5:21 am • 0 0 • view
but all that leaves out that it's his rookie season. obviously we can wait to see what the pitching lab does with him in the offseason.
aug 27, 2025, 5:23 am • 0 0 • view
The majority of starters in MLB these days have trouble turning lineups over 3 times. The game has changed and people need to understand that and stop comparing players to the past, which isn't relevant anymore.
aug 27, 2025, 5:31 am • 2 0 • view
And if you want to compare anybody to Greinke's season and a half as a Brewer, Freddy Peralta over the last 3 years is more or less that profile, but with 0 missed starts. Better ERA+, worse FIP, comparable WHIP and K/9, just walks more and gets 1-2 fewer outs per outing. 🤷♂️
aug 27, 2025, 5:39 am • 1 0 • view
Also worth noting Freddy is a top 10 starter by value this year.
aug 27, 2025, 6:32 am • 2 0 • view
The 3 former Brewers "horses" he mentioned - none of them carried us to a WS, ZG avg'd just shy of 6IP over 3 PS starts w/ 12ER, CC was ridden like a horse to get there and struggled in 1 PS start for us, and CB as a PS starter 2G 10IP 4ER. Yup, horse definitely needed /eyeroll
aug 27, 2025, 6:05 am • 0 0 • view
there's a very clear difference between a "horse" and someone who can get through enough innings to even earn a decision without blowing it (see 3-8 record). a starting pitcher who consistently cannot get through 5 innings will blow up your bullpen every 5th day. that is not a recipe for success...
aug 27, 2025, 6:10 am • 0 0 • view
And has been pointed out up-thread, there's a significant dearth of starters that make it 6+ anymore. Game done changed.
aug 27, 2025, 6:16 am • 0 0 • view
But come PS, that 5th starter is now an innings eater in the pen, when there are rest days galore compared to reg season. My point was this myth of having a stud/horse might play out over 162 but is in no way a guarantor of PS success
aug 27, 2025, 6:14 am • 1 0 • view
The fact that you keep citing pitcher win-loss record like any front office, coaching staff or serious analyst still pays any attention to such nonsense suggests to me that this is waseted effort....but I'm gonna try anyways: The game has changed and it's time to update your priors.
aug 27, 2025, 6:25 am • 0 0 • view
He has gotten 6+ 5 times this year, which is not a ton but its not never & he's not starting in the playoffs, and nobody's 4th or 5th starting pitcher are regularly completing 6 innings. Heck Only 29 guys have more IP than Freddy and only averages 5 & 1/2 per start. Your MLB doesn't exist anymore.
aug 27, 2025, 4:58 am • 1 0 • view
9 of Priester's 19 starts are of 6+ also fwiw. They have guys who can give them length, but its length in the context of 2025, not 2008.
aug 27, 2025, 4:58 am • 1 0 • view
For context, Grienke wasn't even a 2 WAR pitcher in 2011. He was fine but he wasn't the guy you're portraying him as. It was one of his worst full seasons of his career until age 35+. Freddy, Priester, and Quintana have all been more valuable to the Brewers in 2025, than Grienke was in 2011.
aug 27, 2025, 5:00 am • 1 0 • view
The game has changed and it's time you caught up. Very few starting pitchers go deep the way you apparently think makes them worth any damns. The Brewers have one of the better pitching staffs in baseball and the fact that you don't realize that is mostly just sad.
aug 27, 2025, 4:50 am • 2 0 • view
Quick point. There are a total of 9 pitchers averaging 6 innings per start. And one is Zach wheeler who is gone for the year. 6 isn't the norm anymore.
aug 27, 2025, 4:54 am • 3 0 • view
Thank you. I doubt that is going to convicne our buddy here of anything, but my patience with this nonsense is running thin. It's not the 1970's anymore.
aug 27, 2025, 4:56 am • 1 0 • view
I look forward to said testiness Thursday, specifically being the target of it
aug 27, 2025, 4:57 am • 1 0 • view
But the guy you trade for is better! Like Curtiss and Chafin and Norris.
aug 27, 2025, 3:39 am • 2 0 • view
The guy is delusional.
aug 27, 2025, 3:43 am • 0 0 • view
The funny thing is they *did* trade for Shelby Miller, and he's been pretty good!
aug 27, 2025, 3:44 am • 5 0 • view
Absolutely. Quinn Priester sometimes is forgotten too since it was so early.
aug 27, 2025, 3:45 am • 1 0 • view
Guy doesn’t know ball
aug 27, 2025, 3:45 am • 2 0 • view
And holy cripes amighty, LOOK at the teams the Brewers have faced over this stretch. Cincy was playing really good ball, the cubs (who EVERYONE said was gonna run away with this thing), the Giants, who are on a heater, and the serpents den of badass hitters on AZ. These teams aren't pushovers AT ALL
aug 27, 2025, 3:56 am • 12 0 • view
And YIKES AZ is THIRD in runs scored this season in the NL, FIFTH in all of MLB. Dodgers 689, Brewers 682, Janquis 681, Boston 662, AZ 658. They're no joke
aug 27, 2025, 3:39 pm • 1 0 • view
Yeah, obviously a lot of that was from some guys they traded away, but they still have some horses in the lineup.
aug 27, 2025, 3:41 pm • 1 0 • view
The fact that the Brewers have done as well as they have without a day of rest in almost 2 weeks is a testament to them
aug 27, 2025, 3:56 am • 9 0 • view