That is my favourite, when people are like "you are literally Hitler" because I'm a pragmatic leftie, who enjoys a baddie in a space opera.
That is my favourite, when people are like "you are literally Hitler" because I'm a pragmatic leftie, who enjoys a baddie in a space opera.
"leftie" citations needed
There legit needs to be a litmus / purity test for using that label
there is now
I appreciated the Dale reference
Not practically. They may obviously not be leftists but transphobes and ableists and so on can still claim to be leftists
if your politics leaves anyone behind i don't recognize you as being on the left. that's not socialism.
Absolutely None of us are free until all of us are free
Never understood why people who hate leftists and progressives and everything we stand for want so badly to label themselves leftist or progressive. Brianna Wu comes to mind.
It’s quite annoying Only speculating but I think it’s that they know we’re right and want to get the cred for that but they also want to have their Porsche collection and not to have their taxes go up or otherwise be even mildly personally inconvenienced or even just to have others lifted up
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In Wu's case she's an opportunist. Her goal in life is to be some kind of thought leader. And, while she is very rightwing, she thought she had a better chance grifting to the left. She also doesn't realize just how rightwing she is. Because she is, frankly, not the sharpest....
Someone on Twitter found an interview with her when she was running for office, where she said she’s not a progressive and never was one. But suddenly she claimed to be a former progressive? I think most of them do it because they want to say “no I’m a good progressive!”
...Like I'm sure everyone calling the crap she said about finding the trans gene so we could get rid of it eugenics was a surprise to her. I don't think she knew that was a eugenicist opinion beforehand.
I don’t think she does now either because she has a great combo of having terrible beliefs but being ridiculously assured that she is correct and everyone else is wrong
no longer accepting “leftist” as a valid ideological identity, at least pick a tendency or be considered a temporarily embarrassed liberal and nothing more
I'm pro trans-rights, anti-genocide, pro Ukraine, environmentalist, socialist. I live in a country that has a fuck load more of these things than USA and it's partly down to how I vote.
Wait, you don't even live here? Oh my god fuck oooooooooooff
this thread also never mentioned country until I did so maybe you can account for the possibility it's not always all about yoo ess eh
We all live here when it's Trump in
Dumb grammatically incorrect platitude American hegemony doesn't end whenever a democrat is in office
which country is that? because if you say the UK cares more about trans rights than the US lol. lmao.
okay let's try that. if a democratic nominee says that he's willing to sell out ukraine should ukrainian-americans be harassed to vote him?
if you're "pro trans rights" then why are you advocating for avenues where trans people are thrown under the bus?
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck outta hereeeeeee
Writing what you have already in this post and then proclaiming you're "pro trans rights" is WILD. And I imagine you love to point out how hypocritical Republicans are.
Then shut the fuck up about America because Gavin Newsom and big tent Democrats represent precisely zero of your avowed beliefs. Mind your own fucking grass.
liberal then
(on a good day)
Are you bots?! So weird.
You’ve been sephiroth posting about a country you don’t even live in and want to know if WE’RE the bots? Get the fuck out of here
I’m just one person, actually.
then stick to your own country's politics nerd, you know fuck all about ours
get their ass
the next time I show up in someone's mentions lecturing them on how their country should do politics will be the first, it's a remarkably easy trap to avoid
Also given how the spelling of “favour” narrows it down? I very much fucking doubt it’s quite the “a fuck load more of those things” as we’re being told.
look at my profile... it's so funny to me that you would all attack someone like me. You reject someone who suggests building a coalition for power. Bloop. There you have it.
Hmmm space Hitler and nothing else. What's he trying to convey 🤔
why are we asked to make sacrifices for this coalition while no one else is if a democrat were overtly racist would you demand black democrats promise to vote for him?
It sucks that the coalition must be broad, I'm for proportional representation, but if you are in a FPTP system then the group you have to be part of is going to include a lot of people you don't like, unless you know how to bring the culture closer. You do them a favour by staying away.
answer the question, who else's rights are you willing to give up for a coalition? which of your rights are expendable?
British English detected
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Is it broad, though? You're choosing to eject one set of people in favor of another, and the set you're choosing to favor already have a party.
You do what Zohran Mamdani is doing. You do what Graham platner is doing. You do popular left wing policies about making people's lives better and fighting against the oligarchy. That's how you win people over. You don't do that by throwing trans people under the bus. That's unacceptable.
No, you suck
How's that working out for Labour? From my perspective on the other side of the pond it seems like that strategy is just a quick way to turn your party into the thing you hate and normalize the right wing more throughout society.
Leftists dont vote for genocide or withholding healthcare. Hope this helps.
How did coalition building go in 2024? Did campaigning with Liz Cheney and touting Dick's support while endorsing genocide build a winning coalition?
such a coalition must reject transphobia and genocide in order to be meaningfully distinguishable from the enemy
You’re not pragmatic, just more conservative than you like to pretend
Lmao.
I don't see any indication that you're pragmatic or a lefty. Repeating a strategy that has consistently failed for over 40 years isn't pragmatic, and you have a very rightwing perspective on the political spectrum.
If the goal is to lose to a washed-up reality tv show host turned fascist mouth piece for the second time, y'all sure did a pragmatism, definitely
only liberals call themselves “leftie” you fucking loser
Political southpaw?
Describe the strategy for winning the election after you've sided with MAGA against the queer community, and criminalized gender nonconformity such that you lose a significant chunk of the 7% of the population who are queer (and who vote Democrat) to prison and death.
Kamala ran the ultimate centrist campaign last year and ate shit. It doesn't work. It's not pragmatic.
@miq.moe color
“I’m pragmatic in that I am willing to sacrifice others”
And they still lose. It's not even pragmatic. It's ideological.
Please, explain what is "pragmatic" about genocide?
You can think that the far right and the center are the same but they are not and to make them morally equivalent is to open the door to a load of additional suffering in the world
What center are you talking about? There's only far-right and moderate-right.
What does that have to do with the question that was asked? They are not morally the same. They are both morally okay with committing a genocide, though. Which is unacceptable regardless of their differences.
just answer the question What is pragmatic about genocide It shouldn't be hard to answer
…calculating…
Lol
damn they got REAL quiet
You really think this is a clever 'gotcha' thread?
It got you. Just sayin...
Answer the question. What is so pragmatic about joining with Republicans to defund the primary UN agency in charge of feeding Gaza, continuing to unconditionally arm Israel in violation of international law, and condemning the ICC issuing an arrest warrant against Netanyahu?
I just think you can't answer a simple question
Let’s pretend you’re making a good or relevant point. Surely you have some sources to back up your opinions?
Fascism is colonialism turned inward. You do not fight fascism by accepting genocide.
Gul Dukat would absolutely describe his actions during the occupation in this way.
maybe don't describe enabling genocide as "pragmatic" and ppl won't call you hitler, have you ever thought of that?
My favorite is when people twist "your pfp of a bad guy is appropriate for the shitty opinion you're spouting" into "you're bad because your pfp is a bad guy".
“Pragmatic” gonna stop you there, I don’t need to see the rest of whatever horseshit you’ve talked yourself into believing validates abandoning solidarity
Sucks to suck, Hitler
You know what, you're right. This is so unfair. We should be building statues of you!
You're a Republican.
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