yes but all those windrush people were illegal because we destroyed all the documents that said they were legal because we needed to move offices.
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True story: I know of where some of those documents were kept in a mouldering car park in Croydon in filing cabinets.
aug 27, 2025, 8:07 am • 2 0 • view
a mouldering car park in croydon is where i grew up and it's where i believe most politicians should be.
aug 27, 2025, 8:09 am • 3 0 • view
At least we aren’t a “your papers please!” society hey
aug 27, 2025, 8:12 am • 3 0 • view
Honestly I’ve circled back to “ID cards may be a good idea to watch all those people who claim to be about liberty & democracy hop from one foot to the other over on ID cards instead of deportation camps”
aug 27, 2025, 8:19 am • 6 0 • view
I am pro ID cards Other societies work with them - arguably better than we do where proving your ID has become this baroque exercise of utility bills, bank statements etc And govt has linked it all up behind the scenes anyway - see linkages between Passport Office, DVLA and HMRC for eg
aug 27, 2025, 8:22 am • 8 0 • view
I understand the creep argument but I think that had more salience 20 years ago, that horse has bolted. Living in a country with ID cards, they simplify daily life to a very great extent. They are very useful for e.g. proving entitlement to access services etc.
aug 27, 2025, 8:36 am • 6 0 • view
I think mobile phones and Facebook dealt the fatal blow to the scope creep of ID cards document. I’ve seen enough of the back rooms of Apple and Facebook to know those boys have infinitely more data than our government & not a honest intention among them
aug 27, 2025, 8:41 am • 7 0 • view
I've long held the view that Blair could have got ID cards through easily if he hadn't been so daft as to expect people to pay for them. But if they're going to be used as a tool to deport people then I might start accidentally forgetting to carry mine.
aug 27, 2025, 8:28 am • 3 0 • view
It’s a data point to stop the utterly nonsense idea that either employers can’t identify people who should or should not be able to work & that there’s “unknown masses” are abusing the country
aug 27, 2025, 8:30 am • 3 0 • view
Being serious for a moment, it would be great for employers if they could use ID cards as sufficient due diligence and forget all the other checks about immigration status. Would be good for encouraging people to hire.
aug 27, 2025, 8:33 am • 2 0 • view
Exactly. ID cards introduce a LOT of economic efficiency if well done
aug 27, 2025, 8:39 am • 1 0 • view
Quite
aug 27, 2025, 8:36 am • 1 0 • view
doesn't the question then become what qualifies you to get an ID card and the process for that. i'm not saying the concept is bad but it'll never clear that mess.
aug 27, 2025, 8:34 am • 0 0 • view
Sorry was t intending to solution ID cards online - but they work I. Other countries & those countries remain democratic: Principles: 1) free to have (justified by cost saving elsewhere) 2) must be used to get any service within the country including backing, healthcare, passport etc
aug 27, 2025, 8:38 am • 3 0 • view
i think my problem is a failure of faith in the state to not be dickheads because they've repeatedly shown they will be dickheads so, maybe just at this moment in time, giving this they will just abuse it to be dickheads.
aug 27, 2025, 8:44 am • 0 0 • view
it's not that i believe the fundamental concept of the solution is bad. i just don't trust the state. fucking wikipedia has to be age verified and you're a paedo if you use a vpn jesus christ you can't trust these people
aug 27, 2025, 8:45 am • 0 0 • view
the problem is creep. as has been demonstrated in recent months they cannot fucking help themselves. nom nom nom. more civil liberties please. i need them to vomit into the mouths of my political class children to create a new generation.
aug 27, 2025, 8:25 am • 2 0 • view
Yeah used to feel like this but candidly I know governments did the exercise of linking up all the movement of private individuals a decade ago: ID cards make it public now & also does things like start to Squash the various forms of tax evasion that is the actual UK problem
aug 27, 2025, 8:28 am • 3 0 • view
Amazing how many people don’t realise govt linking it all up though Genuinely surprises many
aug 27, 2025, 8:30 am • 0 0 • view
right now it's all a mish mash. they would use it to create a centralised database blah blah blah privacy we both know the discussion here.
aug 27, 2025, 8:30 am • 0 0 • view
It’s a lot less of a mish mash than you may think It’s actually pretty organised behind the scenes, it’s just not visible to you
aug 27, 2025, 8:35 am • 0 0 • view
and if we dip into tax evasion how about exerting control over overseas territories that are used for tax evasion? again, blah blah blah we both know this.
aug 27, 2025, 8:31 am • 0 0 • view
That’s whataboutery though
aug 27, 2025, 8:34 am • 0 0 • view
aint my whataboutery if you're going to throw that about.
aug 27, 2025, 8:36 am • 0 0 • view
I didn’t
aug 27, 2025, 8:37 am • 1 0 • view
ID cards can enhance liberties
aug 27, 2025, 8:26 am • 3 0 • view
yes however... the british state?
aug 27, 2025, 8:28 am • 0 0 • view
The British state likes to use the current system to its advantage See Windrush It’s partly why they refused to give EU citz evidence of settled status - the resulting uncertainty is desirable for the state
aug 27, 2025, 8:34 am • 3 0 • view
One of the issues is that in the UK it's assumed axiomatically that a digital ID means that all the databases are linked. This isn't the case in Germany, for example, yet I can use my ID to identify myself to different databases at different levels of government.
aug 27, 2025, 8:37 am • 2 0 • view
The hilarious thing is people thinking the UK govt can’t link the data bases without a ln ID card Oh boy
aug 27, 2025, 8:38 am • 5 0 • view
mate i got called a conspiracy nut in the 00s for saying gchq was harvesting data and hooo boy was that a nice "fuck you i was right"
aug 27, 2025, 8:48 am • 2 0 • view
i mean a bad fuck you i was right because that wasn't a good thing to be right about
aug 27, 2025, 8:49 am • 1 0 • view
Most of the time conspiracy theories are hooey but yup, they absolutely were Right on this one
aug 27, 2025, 8:49 am • 0 0 • view
THE DATA WAS RIGHT THERE. IT WAS FUCKING OBVIOUS.
aug 27, 2025, 8:50 am • 0 0 • view
Isn't that exactly GCHQ's job though?
aug 27, 2025, 8:50 am • 2 0 • view
Hm. They may have taken certain actions that were slightly more all encompassing than you would expect. And shared information on a scale with other agencies you wouldn’t probably like. Especially now.
aug 27, 2025, 8:52 am • 3 0 • view
aug 27, 2025, 8:51 am • 1 0 • view
not on the scale they did it. the UK is a major pipe between the US and Europe and they were just hoovering up absolutely fucking everything. even internal shit. the government made it retroactively legal. BECAUSE IT WAS NOT LEGAL.
aug 27, 2025, 8:51 am • 2 0 • view
Just have ID as ID and present it that way.
aug 27, 2025, 8:37 am • 3 0 • view
IT'LL BE SENSIBLE THIS TIME.
aug 27, 2025, 8:07 am • 1 0 • view