Absolutely nothing you just said is true. You have constructed a strawman to be angry at, and you are demanding I must conform to your strawman even as I'm telling you I don't. Nor do any other Zionists I know.
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Do you think Palestine has a right to exist? Israel disagrees Where should the borders be? Should their state be sovereign and allowed to keep a standing military as Israel is? Should Palestinians be allowed to return to Palestine? Or to their homes in what is now Israel? What of the settlers?
dec 5, 2024, 12:36 am • 0 0 • view
I think in an ideal scenario the Palestinians would have their own sovereign state with the '67 borders. I also don't think that can happen overnight in the current landscape. If Israel completely left the West Bank & Gaza today, and turned it all over to the PA as a sovereign state
dec 5, 2024, 12:41 am • 0 0 • view
It would be nothing more than a launching point for further attacks & violence against Israel. A Palestinian state would require a commitment to immediately end violence against Israel, recognize their sovereignty, & normalize relations. The current Palestinian public sentiment does not support that
dec 5, 2024, 12:41 am • 0 0 • view
Yes, a sovereign Palestinian state should be able to have whatever immigration policies it wants, including a Palestinian right of return. No, Israel is not obligated to extend any right of return to Palestinians. The settlements should be disbanded and settlers forcibly returned to Israel.
dec 5, 2024, 12:41 am • 0 0 • view
Interesting. Sorry to bombard with questions but since you are answering what seems to be earnestly it only makes me more curious In your view, what does Zionism represent? Why must the state of Israel exist? Should the state of Israel be an ethno-supremacist state? Should it be majority Jewish?
dec 5, 2024, 12:47 am • 0 0 • view
No problem, I'm happy to have earnest conversations. A) The Jewish people have the right to have a state in our homeland, that state being Israel. B) Israel exists as both a sanctuary for Jewish people, who face persecution across the world, and as a way for us to safely return to our homeland.
dec 5, 2024, 12:50 am • 1 0 • view
But to turn that question around, why must the state of Palestine exist? C) The State of Israel is not an ethno-supremacist state. D) No, I don't support eugenics, neither do the vast majority of Jews, seeing as we descended from people who either escaped or survived the Holocaust.
dec 5, 2024, 12:50 am • 0 0 • view
A) What makes something a homeland? You state Palestinians have no right to return within the boundaries of Israel, and yet that was their homeland far more recently was it not? B) Is there something about Israel which makes it safer than other nations? I am not Jewish of course but it seems unsafe
dec 5, 2024, 1:05 am • 0 0 • view
I don't think Palestine must exist, nor any state, I deny that any state has rights, only humans do. C) The question was should it be, but as you respond it is not, then a non-Jewish individual has 100% of the rights and freedoms and is treated as well as a Jewish individual in all legal instances?
dec 5, 2024, 1:05 am • 0 0 • view
D) That is good to hear, as enforcing a Jewish majority necessitates ongoing violence. Would a Palestinian who wished to immigrate to Israel and return to their home by becoming a citizen and getting the same house be acceptable to you? Let me know if I become a bother, I can stop
dec 5, 2024, 1:05 am • 0 0 • view
A) It is where our people originate from. The reason it was the Palestinians 'homeland' (it is not, but its where many of their ancestors lived, sure) is because they conquered & colonized it, persecuting / exiling Jews for centuries. B) Sure, there is still antisemitic violence in Israel, but they
dec 5, 2024, 1:09 am • 0 0 • view
do their best to fight it, which I can't say about anywhere else. There is also no institutional antisemitism in Israel, which likewise I can't say about anywhere else.
dec 5, 2024, 1:09 am • 0 0 • view
You also have an extremely ahistoric idea of Israel and America's relationship.
dec 4, 2024, 11:32 pm • 1 0 • view
I love how ur arguments are just “nuh uh”
dec 4, 2024, 11:33 pm • 10 0 • view
Israel was created because of the Holocaust, which was a failure of civilzation and resulted in mass murder on an astronomical scale. Returning the Jewish people to their ancient homeland and arming them against their many enemies was considered poetic justice. BTW ever heard of "Isolationism?"
dec 4, 2024, 11:53 pm • 0 0 • view
would Israel turning into nazis be a part of the poem?
dec 5, 2024, 12:19 am • 2 0 • view
It isn't poetry it's foreign policy and the driving force of our pre-war indifference to the escalating Final Solution: murder of all Jewish people the Nazis could hunt down. It led to a feeling of guilt which we resolved by recognizing Israel's right to exist in the post-War 40s.
dec 5, 2024, 1:16 am • 0 0 • view
Your entire argument is telling me incorrect opinions that I *have* to hold as a Zionist, and I'm telling you I don't hold them. Your opinions on Israel being "an American colony" or "existing to be a military base" aren't supported by any history. We didn't aid them in their war of independence.
dec 4, 2024, 11:38 pm • 0 0 • view
We didn't even have a military alliance with them until the 60s.
dec 4, 2024, 11:38 pm • 1 0 • view
Israel was created in 1948. Damn, they waited a decade before mobilizing? Damn, so they’ve been a proxy agent for the US for ONLY 80% of Israel’s life time?!? Jeez, maybe you’re right!! 🤪
dec 4, 2024, 11:42 pm • 3 0 • view
We aid them by giving then money and selling them weapons. Not sure if you were aware of this. Seems like something you should know.
dec 4, 2024, 11:43 pm • 1 0 • view
You’re right, we’ve never given Israel weapons so they could liberate themselves from an oppressive regime; we give them weapons so they can murder Palestinians. That’s such a massive difference, and I’m glad you’re bringing light to this. Thank you! 🙏
dec 4, 2024, 11:49 pm • 1 0 • view
Israel's war of independence was 76 years ago, I'm not sure why you're acting like it's currently taking place?
dec 4, 2024, 11:51 pm • 2 0 • view
You are a fool
dec 4, 2024, 11:45 pm • 2 0 • view
Having a military alliance with the US does not make a nation a "proxy agent".
dec 4, 2024, 11:44 pm • 1 0 • view
I wish I was as gleefully ignorant as you are. I wish I could live in the bubble of denial you’ve constructed for yourself.
dec 4, 2024, 11:45 pm • 1 0 • view
So you think that the entirety of Europe, South America, Southeast Asia, and half the middle east (Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, UAE, SA, etc.) are US proxies?
dec 4, 2024, 11:49 pm • 0 0 • view