They identified the problem is that debunking lies takes 10 times longer than telling them, but they never solved that problem, so they gave up talking to the right and now just debate themselves on behalf of an imaginary moderate right.
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It's a hard problem! The right convinced an electorally sufficient number of voters that there were no unbiased information sources and that being belligerently wrong is a virtue. Those voters can no longer be reasoned into changing their minds; and the voters Democrats are left with HATE that shit.
aug 2, 2025, 5:53 pm • 0 0 • view
"Discrediting the liar" doesn't work when lies are unprovable and lying is a sign of ideological purity. You're stuck trying to make the liar contemptible on other terms-- and in a world where the right is currently turning CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING into a virtue, it's not clear what terms are left.
aug 2, 2025, 5:57 pm • 0 0 • view
What I mean is like, instead of debating that trans people are not a threat to women's sports, debate that the arguer doesn't actually care about protecting women in any sense. There's limitations to the success but you can interrupt parts of their pipeline.
aug 2, 2025, 6:07 pm • 1 0 • view
The only success you can get out of them is reaching the point where they throw out a thought terminating cliche, but you can also call that out, too
aug 2, 2025, 6:19 pm • 1 0 • view
I don't really care anymore. The liars won. If someone miraculously figures out a way to make the truth matter again, I'll be thrilled. If someone figures out how to combat the current destructive system of lies with a different system of lies, I'll hold my nose and vote for Door Number Two.
aug 2, 2025, 7:58 pm • 0 0 • view
When they do talk to the right, they take a "find common ground" approach which makes sense in theory, except what common ground are liberals going to find with the right? "Fuck those leftists."
aug 2, 2025, 2:31 pm • 1 0 • view
The solution is stop engaging with the lies and stay focused on discrediting the liar. Make them prove their good faith in order to earn the right to even make a claim in the first place.
aug 2, 2025, 2:37 pm • 1 0 • view