"everyone will see how criminal and corrupt these people are so we don't have to make that argument ourselves" is one of the most singularly wrong pieces of conventional political wisdom in Dem circles and yet it will not die
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I think a lot of people genuinely take legacy media or social media at face value, not realizing how entrenched in an echo chamber they are. Many dems are representative of the dumbasses within the left’s own big umbrella. Like the neoliberal Schumercrats/pelosicrats.
aug 22, 2025, 11:55 am • 0 0 • view
Reminds me of Biden's idiotic notion that "pretending" to be bewildered during his debate with Trump would signal to viewers at home that Trump's rants make no sense.
aug 22, 2025, 6:42 am • 0 0 • view
The Dems insistence that their beliefs and priorities are the "natural state" to which things will return normally without having to do anything themselves has been utterly frustrating. But it definitely seems to be their North Star....
aug 22, 2025, 6:14 pm • 0 0 • view
Democrats are completely worthless. More Zohran. We need like 500 of that dude.
aug 22, 2025, 11:53 am • 0 0 • view
Why in god's name would you ever pass up an opportunity to go on and on about how your opponent is a crook Do they not teach politics anymore at politics school!!
aug 22, 2025, 5:16 am • 28 2 • view
Thinking that MAGA voters can be shown or taught anything is a mistake. The ignorance is willful. The stupid is their brand. It’s their bond.
aug 22, 2025, 1:26 pm • 0 0 • view
Centrist parties across the world have been conditioned to expect that every 4-8 years they c a just switch chairs with their right-wing counterparts when one or the other wears put their welcome. Taking a position on something is seen as gauche.
aug 22, 2025, 12:37 pm • 0 0 • view
Democracy is a fucking participation ribbon for centrists, which explains why thy get so upset when someone wins and it's "not their turn".
aug 22, 2025, 12:37 pm • 1 0 • view
Don’t interrupt your opponent when he’s destroying himself doesn’t, or at least shouldn’t, mean don’t point out your opponent is dumb and evil.
aug 21, 2025, 7:56 pm • 23 0 • view
People mistake "interrupting" with "acting" Don't stop your enemy from falling down the stairs, but also don't be afraid to toss a couple banana peels and leave some broken glass at the bottom.
aug 21, 2025, 8:15 pm • 20 0 • view
Unfortunately, the segment of the population that needs convincing instinctively disagrees with any argument that comes from a Democrat. That’s the logic for letting them discover it for themselves.
aug 21, 2025, 10:07 pm • 0 0 • view
Also counterpoint solution:
aug 21, 2025, 10:09 pm • 0 0 • view
Guys.... they voted in a man with 34 convicted felonies. What kind of logic yall using
aug 21, 2025, 10:08 pm • 0 0 • view
Democrats, especially professional political Democrats, too often operate under the theory that we have a politically-engaged citizenry. We do not. Most people's reaction to jury duty is to try to get out of it. They don't watch the news. They barely vote. You cannot assume "The truth will out."
aug 21, 2025, 7:53 pm • 37 6 • view
It’s akin to “I don’t have to approach women, my prospective mate will walk up and introduce herself” A level of hope not often seen in this troubled age, at least since Voltaire
aug 21, 2025, 8:14 pm • 13 0 • view
Most Americans can't even name their congressional representatives.
aug 21, 2025, 8:41 pm • 3 0 • view
That stance parallels the Obama / Biden delusion that the public would see all the good effects of their policies and so they didn’t need to point them out themselves. All that did was allow Trump to come in after them—twice!—and take full credit for the thriving economies that each Dem had revived.
aug 21, 2025, 8:38 pm • 4 0 • view
They want to dig their feet in because they know they’re gonna most likely flip stuff in the next few elections. They refuse to move left. They’re holding out so they can try and revive their corpse of a system after they let it die for capital in 2024 (yes, including all the genocide & Zionism)
aug 21, 2025, 8:02 pm • 5 0 • view
Yep. I think you’ve nailed it.
aug 21, 2025, 8:44 pm • 2 0 • view
They think everyone will do the homework, do the reading that they’ve done. They have a “check the box” mentality where they think saying something once is enough, forgetting that repetition is key.
aug 21, 2025, 8:48 pm • 4 0 • view
The dems need to be purged of passivity
aug 21, 2025, 7:48 pm • 3 0 • view
most of congress (including Dems) are upper class or bribed by them. they want this all to happen and everything else is a ruse for their voters to stay loyal
aug 22, 2025, 6:17 am • 1 0 • view
That last point... there is a large percentage of the electorate who misinterprets that as 'decisiveness' and thinks of it as a leadership quality. they do not automatically see how bad it could be for them, they aren't imaginative enough.
aug 21, 2025, 8:59 pm • 3 0 • view
Along with "Garland has it under control"
aug 22, 2025, 12:39 pm • 2 0 • view
Which is becoming famous last words *sigh*
aug 22, 2025, 12:41 pm • 2 0 • view
I ended up blocking the whole*Mueller She Wrote* and *Empty Wheel* crowd
aug 22, 2025, 12:43 pm • 2 0 • view
Yup. They remind me of FLDS people in the early 2000s running around like headless chickens trying to be ready for the "judgements" and then end of the world, but then temporarily going about life like normal again when Warren Jeffs conveniently told them God decided to show mercy.
aug 22, 2025, 12:47 pm • 1 0 • view
Bingo
aug 22, 2025, 12:52 pm • 1 0 • view
Yes, along with its cousin: “prosecuting politicians who commit crimes is politicizing the justice system” political wisdom.
aug 22, 2025, 3:32 pm • 0 0 • view
Yes to all-yet the Reeps ran this show. COULD Obama have fought McConnell’s theft of the Garland SCOTUS nomination? I’ve never read an explanation of that.
aug 22, 2025, 4:54 pm • 0 0 • view
honestly how it feels listening to NPR in the mornings lately. "AND?!?" I yell as they skip context/analysis & bring up the music. I know they're trying to be highminded/above the fray/clear of accusations of partisanship, but honeys, y'all gonna be accused of that anyway so you might as well REPORT
aug 21, 2025, 7:52 pm • 15 0 • view
Just the facts… that aren’t too upsetting to a conservative voter who doesn’t even listen to NPR.
aug 22, 2025, 12:22 am • 4 0 • view
YES. It really illustrates the mismatch; I keep seeing leaders on the left think they can somehow reach/convince/discourse with ppl who literally think the left is the devil
aug 22, 2025, 12:50 am • 3 0 • view
I really think they somehow still believe that there's a way back to the Democrat-Republican loyal opposition system that existed during the Cold War. They simply can't grasp that both parties *will not survive* the moment we're in, and the move is not to protect tradition but to seize the jugular.
aug 21, 2025, 8:52 pm • 9 0 • view
And that alliance only held because of the Soviet "threat" that gave right wing Democrats cover.
aug 22, 2025, 3:08 pm • 1 0 • view
The people with the power to change the direction this country is going are the people who are benefitting the most from the terrible things happening.
aug 22, 2025, 12:27 pm • 0 0 • view
And yet Beutler ALSO doesn’t believe it is his job to focus on GOP crime. He’s the problem he never stops writing about.
aug 22, 2025, 11:29 am • 20 4 • view
I’m fairly certain his readers are aware of GOP crime from other sources.
aug 22, 2025, 11:35 am • 5 0 • view
It’s not his job to make Dems look good, Irish exile. That’s your job, that’s why the Dems pay you.
aug 22, 2025, 1:24 pm • 1 0 • view
Seems you missed the point entirely. Bravo!
aug 22, 2025, 8:10 pm • 0 0 • view
Waaah why won’t people do Dems’ jobs for them by criticizing Republicans always and forever, waaah. - Marcy and other overpaid D consultants It’s not Brian Beutler’s job to talk about Republicans, though he does do that. The entitled whining from Dems and their consultants very much is the point.
aug 22, 2025, 8:40 pm • 0 0 • view
This is 100% why we lose elections. 👏
aug 23, 2025, 6:40 am • 0 0 • view
Lol ok. It’s the media’s fault. It’s the voters’ fault. It’s republicans’ fault. Everyone is at fault for Dems losing elections, except for the Dems who actually get paid. Uh huh.
aug 23, 2025, 9:39 am • 0 0 • view
Well…voters decide elections. 🤷♀️
aug 23, 2025, 8:43 pm • 0 0 • view
Bravo. Now go tell Dems that.
aug 23, 2025, 10:21 pm • 0 0 • view
Everyone is unique. Just because one was raised in a family that values democracy and discusses current events and politics at the dinner table you can’t assume everyone is living the same reality. Fox News and/or a church and/or the dark web has filled the void for many. Deprogramming is tough.
aug 22, 2025, 11:43 am • 0 0 • view
This! ⬆️
aug 22, 2025, 12:54 pm • 0 0 • view
Add to that, "everyone's going to be so happy with their expanded health care options/faster internet/cleaner air/etc. that we won't have to mention who's responsible for it."
aug 21, 2025, 7:54 pm • 11 1 • view
The fascists are much better at branding. There should have been billboards attached to every BBB project that said “Brought to you without GOP support”. Or something pithier. I suck at branding too.
aug 22, 2025, 12:24 am • 2 0 • view
They have been waiting for the American People to see the Obvious for at least 20 years now. Which Holy shit W won his 2nd term 20+ years ago now?! You would think that in 20 years they would realize if the american people could see it for themselves, they would have.
aug 21, 2025, 7:49 pm • 28 1 • view
At this point, the logical conclusion to me is that it isn't incompetence, it's intentional. "The American people will see this for the corruption it is!" is a cop-out.
aug 21, 2025, 9:10 pm • 5 0 • view
The only explanation is that they are deliberately helping facilitate a rightward shift of the nation. Nobody is actually this stupid.
aug 21, 2025, 7:58 pm • 15 0 • view
I don't know who needs to hear this but many older establishment Dems are wealthy and benefit greatly from Republican tax policies, as do the corporate sponsors who help them stay in office Think of it as regulatory capture
aug 22, 2025, 2:15 pm • 2 0 • view
One very smart thing about the Zohran campaign is that he’s actively reminding people about the terrible things Cuomo did. I think Harris ran a good campaign in a difficult circumstance, but this was a miss by her team - having a terrible opponent only matters if voters recognize he’s terrible.
aug 21, 2025, 8:37 pm • 12 0 • view
Which they should have gotten. The couchfucker thing has absolutely stuck to Vance. And "these weirdos wanna look in your kids underwear over sports!" was working.
aug 21, 2025, 11:02 pm • 6 0 • view
They were briefly killing it but abruptly stopped and lost instead.
aug 22, 2025, 3:06 pm • 1 0 • view
I blame dusty consultants like Carville
aug 22, 2025, 3:28 pm • 3 0 • view
It’s getting harder and harder to believe the majority of Democrat politicians aren’t just Controlled Opposition.
aug 21, 2025, 8:53 pm • 2 0 • view
yes, you don't have the same propaganda infrastructure that means you need to be even MORE strident about it, because you're not fighting on a level playing field
aug 21, 2025, 7:47 pm • 401 36 • view
They should have forcibly shut down all the right wind propaganda news channels by force and arrested Joel Berry and his online propaganda network.
aug 21, 2025, 7:49 pm • 1 1 • view
They don’t have the propaganda machine = how the fuck would we know how strident they are? To rephrase: let me tell you about this tree that fell in the woods…
aug 22, 2025, 11:50 am • 0 0 • view
No propaganda machine =\ no outlet
aug 22, 2025, 11:56 am • 0 0 • view
Revolt. Primary. Sink em. - me, a former Republican thoroughly grossed out.
aug 21, 2025, 9:58 pm • 0 0 • view
you'd think they would learn something about the value of repetition in propaganda from going toe to toe with Bernie for half a decade
aug 21, 2025, 7:48 pm • 4 0 • view
They refuse to learn from Bernie.
aug 21, 2025, 8:11 pm • 1 0 • view
I mean, people spend a lot of money to persuade/advertise a lot of self evidently good and useful things! It’s weird to think this is the ONE area where a coherent message isn’t necessary to bring people to your side!
aug 21, 2025, 7:54 pm • 3 0 • view
the thing is, they have in fact had success during that exact time period the 2006 midterms were won, in large part, on "look at how fucking corrupt these motherfuckers are" the information environment is much worse than it was in 2006, but it's a winning argument!
aug 21, 2025, 7:53 pm • 267 27 • view
Essentially democrats were raised on zero tolerance policies in schools. That's the psychological result. "You're wrong if you resist, you're wrong if you argue, you're wrong if you fight". And who were proponens of these policies? Riiight,GoP.
aug 22, 2025, 11:48 am • 1 0 • view
In retrospect, they did not make near enough ruckus about W, and it feels like the "let everything go to hell and win the backlash" was exactly what they learned from 2006.... either way, I agree with your main point.
aug 21, 2025, 7:58 pm • 11 0 • view
that's what makes me upset about anti-corruption voters going for MAGA because of "EVERYONE IS CORRUPT" when yes, corruption is a problem and voting for the corrupt because he's saying what you feel isn't gonna fix it.
aug 21, 2025, 7:56 pm • 1 0 • view
Your median voter didn’t give a shit about “torture” of Islamist terrorists. In fact they probably supported it. They sure did care about those Wall Street criminals though. THAT was the huge whiff.
aug 22, 2025, 11:29 am • 0 0 • view
Who is saying that? The DNC chair is going on TV and straight up calling Trump a fascist: bsky.app/profile/kenm...
aug 22, 2025, 12:01 pm • 1 0 • view
ugh
aug 21, 2025, 7:54 pm • 1 0 • view
15 years now of Democrats hoping that Republican politicians and their voters will eventually just come to their senses
aug 22, 2025, 1:10 pm • 0 0 • view
Democrats constantly give Americans too much credit. “They’ll never elect this obvious fascist buffoon” has blown up twice now. They simply refuse to accept that Americans are utter morons.
aug 22, 2025, 12:27 pm • 0 0 • view
In Canada, people were willing to vote for mini-Trump, knowing full well what he would do, just because they were tired of ineffectual progressive leadership. People didn't suddenly wake up when Carney replaced Trudeau, they were willing to pick fascism until the Liberals gave them a new choice.
aug 21, 2025, 9:32 pm • 2 0 • view
Yup. They really have to get up in front of people, get on the news, the podcasts, etc.
aug 21, 2025, 11:09 pm • 0 0 • view