It’s the worst kind of spiteful, faux class war politics that’ll raise a rounding error at best (likely cost. We are already a long way from best) and damage the education of 10000s kids. I guess they are the wrong kind of kids.
It’s the worst kind of spiteful, faux class war politics that’ll raise a rounding error at best (likely cost. We are already a long way from best) and damage the education of 10000s kids. I guess they are the wrong kind of kids.
"class war politics" what the fuck do you think the left is lmao
I’m not sure they know tbh. Can’t agree on much between them. It’s pointless spite.
Doesn’t particularly matter what it raises, taxation can be and is used to express public policy separately from revenue generation. Private education is a social ill. Labour used to advocate for its abolition altogether (including noted radical… Roy Hattersley) www.newstatesman.com/politics/201...
The manifesto and all comms from the government t since are very clear their justification for it is revenue generation. It is also the reason the high court accepted as justification for it when the government were challenged. It is not a social ill. Grow up.
I can’t emphasise enough how little I care about Kier Starmer’s manifesto and government, I am only telling you why VAT on private school fees is a good thing. Of course private schools are a social ill, especially in the UK. Why on earth should rich kids, through absolutely no merit of their own,
be guaranteed a higher standard of education than normal children, whilst reproducing and entrenching the same rotten, corrupt, and nepotistic elite that dominates British society?
Sounds terrible, were it true.
Education is a benefit to society, which benefits from a more educated workforce. A sector that does this well for 600k kids at no cost to the state is a huge plus.
Call me a pie-in-the-sky dreamer, but I think the sector should be performing well for all kids, not just the 600k with the most affluent parents. Private education has an immense cost to the state: it siphons off teachers, resources, and parental energy that could strengthen the state system. And
most importantly, as I said, it entrenches the character of existing elite institutions and provides a barrier to social mobility. The idea that a less fair, less cohesive society where privilege buys advantages that should be based on merit is a good trade off for some “savings” on fees is mad.
‘Elite Institutions’!? You confuse the whole sector of 2600 diverse, mostly small local day schools with a tiny number of elite public boarding schools and hate them because of it. The dictionary definition of bigotry.
Read again… I’m not referring to the schools themselves as uniformly elite, I’m talking about institutions of society (parliament, business, the judiciary, etc) which at the elite level are composed wildly disproportionately of people from a privately educated background.
Still wrong. At best based the education landscape in the 70/80s not now and even then still from a limited number of elite boarding schools. There are some incredible state schools around which are only accessible through exams and buying an expensive house. They actually cost the state money.
Sorry, what are you suggesting is “still wrong”? It’s an objective, empirical fact that Britain’s elite draws disproportionately from the privately educated. Data from 2019 (which a few years ago obviously but not quite the 70s or 80s): www.theguardian.com/society/2019...
Oh no, the poor private school kids, they might have to go to state school like the rest of us :( :( :(
Hang on, I've just looked through your posts and this is literally ALL you post about. Oh no, does the poor rich person not want to pay tax?
It's clearly the most pressing political issue of the time lol
12.5% of PS families are on median income and below. 1/3 on basic rate tax incomes. Vast majority of the rich use state schools. Why not raise some real money by charging them more?
That's a strange way to phrase "87.5% of private school families earn above median income", which isn't really a statistic I would rely on to argue that private school is some kind of egalitarian enterprise.
When did I argue that? Above median does not mean rich. The vast majority of the really rich use state schools and get you to pay for their kids’ 1st class education they access through house price. PS parent is a shit proxy for rich.
I didn't use the word "rich" at all. I earn considerably over median income and I am not rich. I could not send my son Tuggy to private school even if his useless vile self deserved it. The second half of your comment appears to be talking about some other irrelevant shit that I don't care about.
Not interested in reasoning. Understood. Struggling to understand what your point actually was then.
What reasoning? You're just making some weird argument that an unnecessary luxury shouldn't be subject to VAT because most super rich people don't use it (no citation). I bought some cheap beer today that most super rich people probably don't buy. Should that also have been VAT-exempt?
Data from UCL study on PS family incomes. Education is a merit good like food (zero rated), medicine, dentistry, books. More of it benefits society. It’s daft to tax it and it still is exempt unless you are 5-18.
Don't care. Private schools entrench privilege and need taxed to the hilt, preferably abolished entirely
Where are you finding the £16.5bn a year that will cost mate?
Through further taxation, you utter pub bore. Stop shagging private schools. That's all you'll get from me tonight!
You’ll be paying it then. You aren’t finding £16.5bn without everyone chipping in. Not enough of other people’s money.
Calm down Thatcher, thought you were meant to be deid
I’m perfectly calm thanks. You are the one resorting to insult over argument. What are you taxing to fund abolition and how does it help? Stop being childish.
and why don't *you* use State Schools, pray tell?
I looked at all schools in the area, state and private. We wanted a well-rounded education for our girls with a sensible emphasis on arts and sports.
And if they all did, that’s a real £16.5bn a year black hole in the economy.
Class war should be the primary goal of any left wing political movement, otherwise there's no point
Stupidly adversarial approach to government if you ask me. Grow up.
That's probably because you're a facile conservative or "centrist"
Do you engage with arguments, or just insult people. I did not vote conservative, or go to private school. Out of all the major parties, only Labour support it. Greens want to abolish tbf, but are economic lunatics.
I didn't say you voted Conservative, I said you are a conservative. But you're clearly so supportive of privilege that there is no point arguing with you
I am supportive of measures which make a positive difference. VAT ain’t that. No one is arguing state school funding shouldn’t be improved. VAT does do that (either at all or to any appreciable degree) What argument have you actually made?
At this point, my argument is that you're a patronising right-wing bore and you're going on mute. Bye!
That isn’t an argument it’s an insult. Please grow up.