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Patrick Fessenbecker @pfessenbecker.bsky.social

"have vacated" would be the past perfect, I believe —

jul 6, 2025, 5:52 pm • 2 0

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Joshua Erlich @joshuaerlich.bsky.social

i'm pretty confident, but very rusty, that a description of a condition that presently exists but created in the past would be passive perfect in latin. i will admit to being far less skilled in english grammar.

jul 6, 2025, 5:58 pm • 1 0 • view
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Joshua Erlich @joshuaerlich.bsky.social

ok i'm too far down this rabbit hole now but it's occurring to me that the question is whether this is a form of the word vacate or the use of 'vacant' as descriptor of the subject linked by 'were' i think

jul 6, 2025, 6:01 pm • 2 0 • view
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Patrick Fessenbecker @pfessenbecker.bsky.social

lol now let's do it what's confusing here is that often but not always a past participle is formed with an -ed form, and there are some irregular participles that look different parts of speech (was given, was shown, was done, etc).

jul 6, 2025, 6:15 pm • 1 0 • view
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Patrick Fessenbecker @pfessenbecker.bsky.social

We form the passive in English by combining a conjugation of the "to be" verb with a past participle: is done was killed will be exonerated etc.

jul 6, 2025, 6:15 pm • 1 0 • view
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Patrick Fessenbecker @pfessenbecker.bsky.social

That's in contrast to the perfect tenses, which indicate simply that an action has been completed. This can occur in past, perfect, or future tenses: he had done it he has done it he will have done it

jul 6, 2025, 6:15 pm • 1 0 • view
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Patrick Fessenbecker @pfessenbecker.bsky.social

Note that whether a tense is perfect is a different question from whether it's passive, and the two can be combined: it had been done already it has been recorded it will have been explained are all both perfect and passive.

jul 6, 2025, 6:15 pm • 1 0 • view
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Patrick Fessenbecker @pfessenbecker.bsky.social

But we don't want to conflate passive constructions with predications that share a root, e.g. "The bucket had been emptied" is a different thought than "The bucket had been empty."

jul 6, 2025, 6:15 pm • 1 0 • view
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Patrick Fessenbecker @pfessenbecker.bsky.social

So here, "the positions were vacated" (passive, past) "the positions had been vacated" (passive, past perfect) "the positions were vacant" (active, past) "the positions are vacant" (active, present) are all different thoughts and worth distinguishing

jul 6, 2025, 6:15 pm • 2 0 • view
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Joshua Erlich @joshuaerlich.bsky.social

yup, you're right 'were vacated' creates the question of who vacated them (passive) were vacant is an active description of a past condition (active)

jul 6, 2025, 6:20 pm • 4 0 • view