Guys, you want your perfect candidate, you make them be active and pushy. Also right now you are in a situation of triage. The patient is bleeding, has heart attack and does not breathe, you may want to sort that before fixing the high cholesterol.

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Anyone who would be more likely to vote for an anti-trans Democrat than a pro-trans one is already voting for the Republican. Newsom will always be definitionally too far left because he’s from California. There’s nothing to gain from pretending he can go far enough right to get the fascists back.

There are still swing voters. It’s not many but it’s enough to sway presidential races. They aren’t super comfortable with trans people - maybe not hateful to the point of wanting to throw them in camps but also not 100% to the point where they have no negative reaction.

This is less black and white than you want to think it is. Given his past actions I don’t believe his current stance is his real one - I think it’s aimed at those we know actually do swing their votes. There are voters that voted for Obama and/or Biden AND Trump. They do exist.

Are they more uncomfortable with me making my own healthcare decisions than with a president who rapes children? I’m not going anywhere, no matter what either party says. Everyone has to deal with that. Appeasing transphobes will only make them worse, and there are more important issues.

I am not going to work towards a world where people feel okay being less comfortable with me. Should we cave on race to appease the people who are just a bit uncomfortable around Black people? I am a nonnegotiable part of this world; President Newsom is not.

You may need allies who are less comfortable with you than you'd like, if you want to stop people who want to eradicate you. Or you can wait for perfection but then own it. Funny thing you mention the Black people. Slavery was ended by quite a lot of people who were racist as heck.

If this conversation is happening, I’m part of it. If it’s disadvantageous for trans people to point out that we care about our healthcare, then maybe spend less time talking about us. Changing the subject works well for the child rapist president, so maybe that should be the strategy we adopt.

There is a test case for human decency in every generation. In the 1930s, the test case was the Jews; in the 1960s, it was civil rights. Now it’s transgender rights.

Then you should have a good deep look at who formed coalitions with whom in each of these instances. It also kinda involved using enemy weapons against them and a lot of ethnic cleansing. The longer you wait for someone pure to fight while shunning effective weapons, the worse it will get.

I don’t think you read my posts. I don’t care if he is pure. I don’t care what he thinks. I care that he is willing to persecute a vulnerable group to get elected. There is no historical precedent where this ends well for anyone.

Finally, slavery was not ended by offering compromises on slavery. I don’t care what Gavin Newsom feels or thinks. I care about what he says he will do.

there's your problem slavery was not abolished - exemptions for "criminals" watching 13th by Ava DuVernay a few years back and it stuck how white liberals celebrate the abolition of slavery while living in a society that accepts mass incarceration, and then forced labour, of black people

Aware of this. But chattel slavery was ended. Jim Crow and sharecroppers was an early new form. Before ‘the war on drugs’. We have to oppose each new form as it comes along.

Indeed. And it wasn't. Each time, a refaced racism replaced the last one. Notice, the ethnic groups ICE, DHS and NG target In an emergency, sometimes you only have the least worst option The immediate danger is Trump and the decades long erosion of norms, institutions and liberty by the right

Lincoln was offering a compromise. Heck, even the Emancipation had a huge compromise right there leaving slavery in place for states that remained in Union until the end of war. You'd reject Lincoln, Grant et al and wait while complaining nobody does anything.

How is Gavin Newsom offering a compromise to transgender people?

Actually, when he was campaigning, Lincoln was understood to be an abolitionist. That’s one of the reasons the South seceded. In office, he was more pragmatic. are you trying to say that you think that Gavin Newsom will be the opposite? – will campaign as a pragmatist and be an idealist in office?

Separately, it’s not that I want people to be trans positive, but I’m not going to vote for anybody who cares in advance that this simple human right is something they are willing to sacrifice.

I am not in fact transgender. I am an ally. It’s quite funny that you assume that I must be trans if I take up a trans positive position.

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It depends on what price you are willing to pay for power. In Germany in the 1920s there were many voters who were not comfortable with Jews. Some were probably swing voters as well. Would it have been okay for politicians from centre parties to sound like Hitler in order to get their votes?

You’re missing nuance in what he’s saying. I’ll fully admit saying what he’s said to Charlie Kirk isn’t okay. If he’s indeed trying to ride a line that’s not the way and not the place to miss it.

Exactly.

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I don’t want perfect. But if you think that you can revive him and he will sort out his diet when he’s come around you are deceiving yourself. If Newsom won’t be decent now he won’t be good enough later.

Newsom is not the patient. USA is. Just saying, with Trump going on soon y'all will wistfully remember when the topic was "sports". Sometimes you just need a drunk racist prick on board to defeat the Nazis.

Remind me of the historical moment when that worked out well.

The thing isn't "worked out well", but "worked out better than the alternative" But hey, your country. Wait for the paladin no matter how far the GOP backslides y'all in the meantime. But own the delays. Y'all already wasted almost a year to have someone consistently and loudly oppose Trump.

Nobody is stopping anyone else from coming in and doing more than Newsom is right at the moment. If you want to just sit back and wait for the better person to come along, you're welcome to the Trump dictatorship. BTW, the patient on its deathbed is not Newsom, it's American democracy.