I hate RFK Jr. with a passion. He is a bad person. But please stop referring to his heroin use as having anything to do with his moral depravity. Addiction is not a moral failing, it is a public health and clinical issue.
I hate RFK Jr. with a passion. He is a bad person. But please stop referring to his heroin use as having anything to do with his moral depravity. Addiction is not a moral failing, it is a public health and clinical issue.
Lots of people experience addiction and don’t kill children.
Or, you know…become a United States Secretary of Health and Human Services.
yeah. and the whole brain worm thing was a lie he told to excuse himself for driving his wife to suicide, it's not as silly as we've made it
I am hoping he took big gulps of that e coli water he splashed around in the other day 😁
And then came home and kissed Cheryl. 🤮
Cheryl Hines is an enabling gunt.
Using heroin doesn't make someone a bad person, but it can definitely have a long term impact on things like behavior and decision making. It's possible he would be like this anyway, but it's also possible that he wouldn't be this bad if he hadn't used it.
In RFK’s case, it was a lack of morals. IV heroin abuse is CHOSEN, paid for. He can GF himself.
His moral failing was being a drug dealer
EX GF WAS A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST. BEST FRIEND IS A THERAPIST. ONE BROTHER WORKED IN PRISONER REFORM. EX FIANCE ( DEAD NOW ) TAUGHT DEVIANT SOCIOLOGY. USING PUBLIC HEALTH AS A BLANKET ANSWER OR CLINICAL INFLUENCE IMPLIES ZERO PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR CHOICES.
NO OFFENSE INTENDED. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE RAISED BY GOOD PARENTS WHO TEACH THEM RIGHT FROM WRONG, AND ONE OF MANY DECISIONS IS TO NOT TAKE DRUGS / BE A BETTER PERSON. SO, YOU ARE NOT CORRECT. THE PSYCHOLOGY OF MORALS AFFECT BAD DECISIONS AS MUCH, IF IOT MORE, AS ANY OTHER INFLUENCE.
I it refer to it in conjunction with his defunding Narcn programs as a symbol of the lack of any sort of empathy in the man.
Seriously. Why????!!!!
I keep saying... cruelty seems to be the point.
Indeed. Plague, death, war, famine. He’s got them all.
It is an addiction not an illness.
It has more to do with the negative effects on his brain than the addiction.
he wasn't addicted when he started using. so yes, it is a moral failing.
very true, but the effects from that addiction could very well be a contributing factor in his present aberrant behavior
It's all 3... addiction can be family history, a choice to dabble to begin with, a health/mental health issue, amongst everything else. Nothing is mutually exclusive. So instead of putting it in a box of its this or that we should just accept it for what it is - which it can be all of it.
Excellent point. On the other hand....what better way to scare people off heroin! ;-)
Exactly. Stop attacking people we don't like for things that have nothing to do w/ their politics & power. If you wouldn't attack someone on "your" side for it, don't attack someone else for it just b/c you don't like their political positions.
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I concur
Yes, this is an important distinction. We need to remember the same about intelligence or lack of it. Perpetuating abelism only makes it easier for eugenicists to do their work.
RFK Jr is a piece of shit human because he's a piece of shit human. it has nothing to do with his drug use or any other health issues. he just sucks. (and agreed 100%!)
I hear that, but it's the hypocrisy of he wants to treat other addicts that's galling
Gotta say he does seem to defy the stereotype of the person that’s been through something, and did one of the hardest things a person can do. We regularly see people develop understanding for others, some humility—even wisdom—-from personal challenges. But obviously that doesn’t have to happen!
Agree 💯
It doesn’t help, but the poison definitely came from inside.
Right there with you. There's PLENTY to condemn him for without invoking stuff like that, and it's all stuff he's chosen to do - for which he rightly can (and should) be blamed.
Well said...
Actually, in his case it’s part of a much broader personality disorder.
It can be both. Either/Or fallacies need to be scuttled.
Addiction to all and sundry is just another medical scam.
I get it. But, he doesn't seem to get it. And he retains the skillet he learned as a long time opiate addict. Lies. Manipulation. Etc. He has no business in that job.
His addiction WAS a moral failing as he decided to bring his relatives and friends into the heroin addiction WITH him.
He made a choice to use heroin.....and the moral failings are his and his alone.
I cannot separate the moral depravity from defunding the Narcan program. That an addict made that choice, of all people, is reprehensible. I don’t think addiction is a moral failing, but an addict sentencing countless other addicts to unnecessary death is.
I agree! It makes me cringe when it’s brought up. Same way I felt about hunter Biden. This is why so many people keep their addictions hidden. Constant ridicule by those who are uneducated follow them.
I don’t judge him for his addiction but I do for his dealing.
While I agree with your sentiments, it is RFK Jr who keeps bringing this up as he daily morally judges people taking medications for psychiatric treatment, suggesting they need to be sent to “camps” and “detoxed.”
I’d say his dealing said drugs makes him shitty.
still: never trust a junkie.
But his hypocrisy is a moral failing and his heroin use highlights that hypocrisy. That said, this is clearly a slippery slope and maybe not one to easily navigate.
Agreed. But I feel it still needs to be mentioned. Not to disparage people who struggle with substance abuse, but to really emphasize another of many reasons he is hilariously, tragically, and dangerously unqualified he is for any position in general, and his position in particular.
You may be right but I still would not want a 14 year heroin addict to be making calls for me and my families health. Everything RFK jr. does is a moral failing, this may not be true of all people, but it damn sure is true of him.
Getting addicted to any drug is not a moral failing, but 14 years as a junkie will short-circuit the brains of most people. It's a disolute lifestyle that requires daily lying and scheming.
Agree 💯 not his heroin use. It’s the fact that he is allegedly in recovery-but he is defunding Narcan programs! For that, I hate him with the power of a million suns & wish him a long life at The Hague. He is a scourge to all people blessed to be in recovery, but especially to those who need it.
It's not, but heroin use changes the structure of your brain and creates long term imbalances of your hormones
I agree with you. Ironically, RFK Jr doesn't. He believes my SSRIs that treat my neurologic pain condition are an addiction that reflects poor moral character and I should be sent to a "wellness camp" where no doubt my lvl 35 agony will teach me the value of hard work and self-reliance.
Even though I earned a tough college of engineering degree, work full time including overtime, own my own home, and have never taken a dime of disability.
Big props.
The strange thing about having a chronic illness is that it's hard to know that everybody's not the same as you. In this society it's easy to take it as a personal failing. Having a diagnosis was so freeing in a weird way.
An addict believes others have an addiction.🙄
I just saw my doctor to renew my Zoloft...she asked if I needed it doubled the next 4 years...I love her.
Yes. Thank you. Sober 13 years. Took me 25 years to get sober tho. I am not ashamed. I am a normal (?) good person with *so* many flaws. Rfk jr is a sociopath/narcissist (or *something*) don’t know don’t care except he is bad and trying to kill us all.
But if you can afford the cure but you enjoy it too much.
Studies have shown some deterioration of the brain’s white matter due to heroin use, which may affect decision-making abilities, the ability to regulate behavior, and responses to stressful situations
Yes, it's possible. But we don't judge a person's creds based on "what's possible". There's a lot of "may lead to" in your statements. You have no idea if heroin addiction is causing any of this. OTOH you have hundreds of real world examples to use to dunk on him without dunking on all addicts.
Facts are painful Nate.
What facts? Do you have some secret fact your're hiding from us all showing the lab results and cognitive studies that prove he has less brain matter and therefore is unqualified to serve? Cause that's the argument you're trying to make.
I agree, and he could do his part to destigmatize addition and bolster public health supports. Instead, he goofs on autism, fluoridation, and vaccines.
Sometimes it’s worth mentioning, like when he cuts off funding for narcan programs. That would be like a Type 1 diabetic rolling back insulin caps, or a car accident survivor taking seat belt laws off the books! Addiction is not a moral failing. Neglecting to provide lifesaving care for it is.
Using your own analogy the people on here defending this argument are saying we should be making fun of someone and calling them unqualified to do their job because they have diabetes. Canceling support for Narcan or diabetes meds is evil regardless of whether you also suffer from those maladies.
No, the RatFkr, Jr has some real problems with arrogance and judgement!
It has nothing to do with the addiction. It has everything to do with the fucking hypocrisy.
And the psychopathy.
This 👆
Was here to say this
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Let's focus on what really matters. The fact that he was diagnosed with mercury poisoning, which was responsible for the cognitive dissonance he was suffering from and that's how they discovered his parasitic brain worm.
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It's still part of what makes him who he is.
Agree. But it sure didn't help his brain.
Use anything you can against this fiend I say
Yeah, I couldn't give three shits what drugs anybody does. I can't stand dipshit bob kennedy cuz he's a ridiculous tool.
Ok fine. His swimming in poop water is still fair game though.
Also, Trump is evil, not mentally ill. There’s a difference.
So worm brain is better from eating a dead bear !!
Is not that he was addicted. It’s that he uses it to say he was a better student because of it. That’s a terrible message.
The bear skin incident and brain worm are, however, worthy of note.
It was the worm.
If anything it's being a nepo baby
The addiction explains the evident physiological & psychological consequences, which are obvious whenever he opens his mouth.
Absolutely true. It's the natural stupidity in his job that is the problem.
True, but less true if you're an uber rich scion. He did heroin because he was a bored trustafarian kid. I've known many like that. For them, it's a moral failing that led to addiction.
He just happens to ALSO have moral failings unrelated to his drug addiction
Agree! He is unqualified for the job and a conspiracy wacko!
His fascination with death is problematic. What normal person collects roadkill and gets a brain worm?
The Venn diagram of people with brain worms and people who collect roadkill is a circle.
or puts mice in a blender.
And baby chicks, don't forget them
But it probably did something to his brain
It’s the hypocrisy
He is the first son of Ethyl. He learned to do whatever he wants with her family money growing up. Just like she did. He has a rich kid, nihilistic god-complex.
Assolutamente corretto. RFK Jr era uno stronzo molto prima di essere un eroinomane.
With all the resource RFKjr has it is indeed a moral failing, nothing less.
While, this is certainly true, I do perceive him as an active addict. He may not be using substances anymore (that we know of) but I certainly see a lot of antisocial, compulsive behavior. This man is not in recovery nor did he ever recover. Recovery is way more than getting off drugs.
He has a worm in his brain dead or alive it's why he's depraved and psychopathic
It's also considered a disability. We don't make fun of people for their disabilities.
He was responsible for other family members getting addicted too...he is NOT a good person.
I'm not saying he's a good human being. He clearly isn't. But addiction is not something to make fun of.
He is a piece of shit regardless of his use of drugs! There are so many things to legitimately criticize him for! Mental illness isn't one tho. Of course people experiencing addiction sometimes do horrible things, just like schizophrenia or a psychotic break. It completely hijacks your brain.
Thank you. People constantly assume these drugs contain hate, bigotry & stupidity within the compounds. It's just another way of pissing on those who people think are less than them.
That moral tie-in came intentionally from “Christian nationalism” to make it a moral failing. Just like sexual orientation. Like either is a choice or moral failing.
Yet anyone in recovery will point out that just because you stop using doesn’t mean you are ‘well’- why they have programs to deal with the underlying issues that led to addiction..
Agreed. That’s focusing on the wrong thing.
"Not a moral failing" = hard sell to anyone who suffered because of someone's alcoholism. I've heard it said fervently of a childhood with a drunken father, for example, that "I remember him well and I say to hell with him." Addiction is a public health and clinical issue, without a doubt.
This this this. Who cares if he did heroin? I don't care if he snorted a kilo of coke a day. He's an ignorant fool who doesn't believe science which makes him dangerous
Not moral, his ignorance on healthcare. Anti vax but pro drug use.
Yes, & he's doing his best to become a public health issue. 😠
Agree, but 14 years of heroin use has a toll on mind and body and think that’s the point being made. Same for alcohol.
hiring him was the moral failing.
Agree 100%. An addict can recover and go on to live a normal, productive life without destroying the public health. Don’t try to excuse his insanity by blaming the drugs.
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thank you. hate to see the fascism rub off on the liberals like that.
I don't want someone with all of the money and resources he could ever need who spent 17 years shooting heroin to make laws regarding my health care. Period.
Interesting view
He's a Kennedy for fucks sake. All the money and education in the world and he doesn't know better than to touch that shit? Then talks about how vaccines are unsafe? Fuck him. It was a major failure, especially for him and while he doesn't deserve to be imprisoned for it, he shouldn't run health.
Fair point... It's his judgmental hypocrisy. He's not qualified to clean bathrooms at rest stops along the fucking interstate. I wouldn't let him in the same room as a child. That pretty much goes for Trump in his whole fucking Entourage. And good morning. 😁
I think when battling true villains you use the weapons that will work.
Has he spent his time in recovery? Helped others? His being an unrecovered addict who is trying to destroy as many lives as possible, including others suffering from addiction, is a sign of his massive hypocrisy and lack of any compassion. And he should be called out on it.
When someone is clean (for decades), it's not our business to judge how "recoveried" their recovery is. Keep your criticisms on their Actions, not mental health. Is he doing hypocritical things? Yes 👍. Addiction is a mental illness though, you wouldn't criticize someone for having mental illness
Wat you can absolutely call him out on hypocrisy and his other failings. But you have no idea about his recovery. He used a 12 step program and attributes his recovery to God, and as an atheist I'm telling you that's fine.
It was a moral failing when he was responsible for getting other family members addicted as well.
He is clearly has not fully recovered and still holds his own personal shortcomings about addiction as a universal for everyone else. Every time he threatens to ban psych meds, he's thinking about how ppl must be addicted to them because he, himself, would be.
Is it OK to talk about his dangerous and destructive mental illness then?
Clearly RFKjr is evil & a public danger. He shows all 3 ‘Dark Triad’ traits, having used his extreme privilege to indulge in lifelong destructive beliefs & habits. DO talk about his drug abuse, roadkill eating, promiscuity, paranoid superstitions & disordered personality. #RFKjrMinisterOfEugenics
Thank you.
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I don’t like his hypocrisy on this as well as other issues.
What *is* a moral failing is his willingness to deprive others of the same supports he got to kick the addiction.
Not willingness. DESIRE to do so. He gleefully does it. He thinks they don’t deserve it.
I think it’s relevant in a way that Hegseth’s alcoholism is relevant. Those things don’t make these men bad. But they’re bad men that are compromised in some way.
That’s way vague. We are all compromised in some way. It’s what they are doing now that’s the issue surely.
Get of here with take. He prosecuted drug dealers and then did heroin on his lunch breaks
That's just known as hypocrisy. I don't care about his drug use. I care about the fact that he is one of the worst human being I've ever had the misfortune of hearing speak
Hey Siri, can hypocrisy rise to moral depravity?? Let’s see, does it involve sending people to prison??
His moral depravity has nothing to do with his heroin use. His hypocrisy comes with sentencing people on drug charges while he in fact is on drugs. But you'd rather bitch and moan that we're not doing this right. I guess you must be a Democrat
A bigger one than RFk JR??
No but a jerk is a jerk. Part of what you're saying, and that you might not be getting, is that we need to leave the heroin out of it because all it does is denigrate other victims of addiction. it doesn't matter that you are meaning when he was doing it all that matters is that he was doing it
If thinking it’s deplorable that a guy sent drug users to prison while using drugs then I happily accept that
Dude. Of course it's deplorable. And as long as that sentence is completely finished I guess I can't complain. Ok I can because I'm good at it but that doesn't matter. Go with whomst ever you believe in, keep fighting the good fight, there are more people to quibble with than each other. Apologies.
Hey Siri why are people on our side such jerks?
No, the take is accurate. He wasn't a jerk because of the drugs, he was a jerk AND a substance abuser.
if you don’t think it’s morally depraved to send folks to prison for using heroin while also using heroin, then we’re just different people.
I never said that. I said merely doing heroin is not evidence in and of itself of moral failure. One can be a moral failure AND an addict, but they're mutually exclusive. Addiction is not a moral issue.
But that’s not what the OP said
I suspect his heroine addiction and his obsession with carcasses stems from untreated childhood trauma (assassinations) and his extreme wealth alienating him from anything resembling healthy. Like he was grown in a lab to get these exact results.
And it definitely had an impact on his brain cells.
His heroin use fine - but the fact he tried to get his cousins and siblings addicted? That’s moral depravity. He’s a predator. BTW, I’m hoping he had an open cut when he went swimming in Rock Creek.
Thank you! Addiction is also a MENTAL ILLNESS. If you wouldn't use someone's depression against them, don't use past addiction against them.
There's so many things to legitimately criticize him for you could literally never run out and still leave the drug use out. Calling him out on hypocrisy is A OK. For every piece of shit ACTION, 👌. But there are people explicitly arguing that his addiction was a moral failing
A lot of people in here really not understanding OP’s point.
Frankly these people in the administration have zero morality and I decided that only for the people in this administration will I absolutely punch down on them. That also goes for Pete Hegseth’s alcoholism. They are worthy of our contempt.
Cutting off money for Narcan reveals his immeasurable self-loathing.
Fair enough. But, we should also agree that it is disqualifying for anyone in his position and as long as he holds that position, I will continue to bring up his addiction as problematic.
RFJJr is a nepo baby.#shameonmaga
RFK Jr is a predator.
RFK Jr is very much a public health and clinical issue.
Not all heroin users inject RFK Jr into their blood but all RFK Jrs inject heroin into their blood.
I think it’s the fact he appears to making everyone else’s problem.
It's not the drug abuse. It's the hypocrisy of claiming vaccines are more dangerous than what they protect you from,from an intravenous drug abuser. "Needles are bad..unless they got horse in'em! Pass the listeria milk juice,I'm gonna go swim in sewage." He was cray before the drugs.
Amen. I'm a counselor in a methadone program, and honestly, it's the only thing I admire about him.
The man swims in shit on purpose. There’s plenty to be critical of without bringing addiction into it.
Lots of folks on here missing the moral point. Yes he's a hypocrite. Yes he's shitty. No him being an addict for 14 years does not make him morally depraved any more than having cancer which is the argument many people are making if even inadvertently.
I don't think anyone's dealing with his substance abuse issues as evidence of moral depravity. But it is hypocritical: "avoid vaccines, be careful what you put in your body" said by a guy injecting God knows what. Most heroin addicts I've known have been vegan. Overcompensation,
"I don't think anyone's dealing with his substance abuse issues as evidence of moral depravity." Well, you'd be wrong about that. See below. Which is exactly why OP made the post
Ah, yes. The same crowd of people who nodded furiously when Rush Limbaugh described drug addicts as moral failures, but when he was nabbed with all that Oxy, "I have an illness". I hate to be wrong on this one - you're right, there are some godawful people on this planet.
Np mate, every day I'm waking up thinking "we can't sink any lower today.... Right?" Only to be proven wrong within the first 30 min 😂!
I mean you can't deny that years of substance abuse probably cooked his brain. My own brother died of it. So meh... I get to make fun of this eugenics nazi who definitely isn't operating like a normal, healthy person
I mean.. Yeah..... That's why it's a mental illness? And considered a disability, just like every other mental illness?! Lmao did y'all just wake up today and realize addiction wreaks havoc on your brain and think "aha! Now I have good reason to go around calling it a moral failing!"
He's a complete piece of 💩, if you started naming 💩tty things today you'd only run out after consuming all the oxygen from the Earth. Why call a mental illness a moral failing when there are soooo many legitimate things to fry his ass for.
Between this and the people making fun of his voice because of his spasmodic dysphonia…come on people.
Do you remember the right constantly making fun of Biden's stutter?
So because they did something that was awful, we should do the same awful thing instead of pointing out the 500 other things we can criticize RFK for without mocking disability?
I am saying no one seems to think about that. It pissed me off when they did it to Biden. Yeah, we will talk about him disparaging people with autism.
It’s somewhere between and eye for an eye and a race to the bottom.
A whole lot of people seem to not realize that literally no one ever thinks they'll end up as an addict, either, and then one day they wake up and are one.
Crucially, "an eye for an eye" doesn't even mean "mutilate the offender"; the offender pays appropriate restitution.
don't waste your time on hating him. he also believes lsd is good for trauma which is code for lsd chasers. he is angry arrogant when questioned. the issue is he was an addict for too long with all the advantages in life. he had a diary where he graded women praying to jesus that the sinful women
would leave him and his beautiful face and body alone. he has severe sexual issues like that entire camp... it is a moral issue when you palm yourself off as head of health. you are aware heroin is illegal people die b4 it gets to the consumer. we pay govt workers to risk their lives so robert is
straight in his prayers to jesus. whose own sexuality is blatant when it comes to boy friends and alcohol. it's outrageous trump went for him. it's going to crumble. do you remember when his defence was he had a worm in his
brain. o.k. then you sound intelligent extremely bright you should be in charge of people's health. oh yes and the conspiracy jews and asians will be the only one's allowed to live. i was there when he heard that. it was very obvious it was a play a dumbass line to see
who would take the bait. he not only took it he then went public in full belief we'd side with the worm in his brain. no bookworm there. that same character told them he'd made a copy of the earth by walking into another room just like that no hocus no pocus not even an apple
just i just made a copy of the earth and i'd like to say the rest but i was so stunned the creator of worlds was that challenged in any brain cell noone would buy it but robert and his little worm went for his lsd chaser and later told the world. and trump said
you my friend should be health minister and focus on mental health cos you is smartz. i have other robert stories we all do and they are all the same. he pities himself he believes he is a stunning man looks only narcissism could love. always covert gay sure robert women are evil always
paranoia. this is how vain he is he believed the woman henry cavill was seeing was not only after him but in love with him. what can you say to that. only one thing you can say HEALTH MINISTER FOR USA. www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9O... she is yet to receive an apology.
He's also actively working to undermine services for other people who are addicted, which is what I really have an issue with. Not everybody comes from American royalty and has those resources.
Also, attempting to cut off public programs that provide Narcan will actively result in more deaths.
The real morals failing is his lack of empathy for anybody else who might be in a similar position.
But it has to do with how he behave today. Drugs take their tolls on his neurons and he is clearly incompetent for the job. The brain worm is an excuse.
Bullshit. RFK JR is a monster.
thank you. someone I said that to blocked me on all platforms. she'd been a friend. We live in really sucky times.
My brother died of a heroine overdose. Even I think heroine cooked RFK Jr's brain and his hypocrisy of judging other sick people as part of his eugenics program is peak hypocrisy. I'll make fun of him all damn day long
“They” would never stfu if this was a dem and destroy his rep
We probably shouldn’t try to emulate “them” then.
Idiot, vaccine denying, herion addict, with a brain worm - is in cabinet If you are offended by the last 2 being not the most relevant, buck up because me and millions say this 20 times a day We are losing our democracy and you are whining that herion addicts can be in the cabinet - big picture?
Few illnesses disqualify for cabinet service. Many should be considered in choosing the best person on earth for a powerful job. Generals can't cheat on their wife or be alcoholic. All black and female Join Chiefs were fired by an alcoholic. You object to the alcoholic part?
It is also a mental health issue - people in mental/emotional pain use drugs to cope with pain - over and under the counter. Trying to escape pain should be compassionately dealt with - not criminalized. Besides our Govt is being run by mentally ill mofos who would be better on drugs - a deep nod!
The addiction isn't my issue. I have friends who are recovered addicts whom I trust with my life. My issue is that his wealth and privilege insulated him from the hard work of recovery that most addicts go through. He gained no empathy or perspective and credits his superior genes for his recovery.
THIS