I am pretty sure there is a process to be adopted to renew or extend a visa. If a person wants to do that then the obligation is on them to get the appropriate advice and make the application. I think the government has plenty else to be doing.
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don't explain the visa process to someone whose wife has done an entry visa, renewal, and an ILR application. the process is you have to guess and dig around on broken or outdated UKVI pages. if ukgov can cost you £3k+ per 30 month renewal, their "plenty else" can include some info on a letter
sep 2, 2025, 9:13 am • 18 1 • view
i'll cut to the chase: you're a government apologist, and you will arrive there by way of being a home office apologist no matter how illogical or needlessly stupid the process is up for discussion. i'm curious if you'd be saying this if it was a tory government
sep 2, 2025, 9:15 am • 7 0 • view
I’m a lawyer. (albeit not an immigration one) I haven’t commented on the qualities of the process adopted by the home office. I don’t know. But I do know that we have to have some rules otherwise the whole system is pointless.
sep 2, 2025, 9:20 am • 0 0 • view
it's the second one
sep 2, 2025, 9:21 am • 5 0 • view
My patience is thin today: that 'lawyer's' reply has earned them a place in my oubliette.
sep 2, 2025, 11:29 am • 2 0 • view
i don’t think i tried to?
sep 2, 2025, 9:14 am • 0 0 • view
Yeah you did.
sep 2, 2025, 9:16 am • 3 0 • view
by saying there is a process?
sep 2, 2025, 9:17 am • 0 0 • view
you alluded to a process - that you're not familiar with - and then also described that process as being something along the lines of "you have to guess or pay money to someone to explain it, on account of having to guess". the latter is an explanation, which you explained to me
sep 2, 2025, 9:20 am • 1 0 • view
By not knowing what you are babbling about
sep 2, 2025, 9:19 am • 2 0 • view
The Home Office is a combination of useless and malevolent. Before Mrs K, who’s American, and I got married in the 90s we spent weeks making sure she had the right visa. Then she got deported when we came back from our weekend honeymoon because she had the wrong visa. They’d changed the rules /1
sep 2, 2025, 9:24 am • 6 1 • view
…and not bothered to tell us - this was the explanation we got from actual Home Office staff. In the years since, with three kids who aren’t UK citizens, we have been treading a minefield of threats, misinformation and huge expense. The system is absolutely malevolent.
sep 2, 2025, 9:26 am • 5 0 • view
also date instability is built into the process by default. 33 months for a spouse visa from overseas, 30 if applied for inside the uk. all of this will affect time spent in the uk to ILR vs needing to renew. does the home office spend all of 10 seconds autofilling this on any letters? lol nope
sep 2, 2025, 9:28 am • 6 0 • view
I just think the proposition that if you overstay you will be asked to leave is a pretty unarguable one? Otherwise why have time limits on visas at all.
sep 2, 2025, 9:22 am • 0 0 • view
Nice straw man.
sep 2, 2025, 9:23 am • 2 0 • view
If the resources are there to send a letter before visa expiry, it's not unreasonable to expect that letter to contain useful information about future paths and possibilities. If it's just a veiled threat, why do it at all? Do we think students don't know when their visas expire?
sep 2, 2025, 9:27 am • 3 0 • view
In my experience all foreigners are *painfully* aware of that date.
sep 2, 2025, 9:28 am • 2 0 • view
…and of how it might randomly change, which you only find out about on social media. If you’re lucky.
sep 2, 2025, 9:29 am • 4 0 • view
there's hundreds of pages of rules in appendix FM & multiple additional rules elsewhere for every part of the spouse visa, but only a small finite number of time-related "do x or y if date x or y". any excuse made for them not adding a handful of dates matching the BRP/evisa doesn't wash imo
sep 2, 2025, 9:33 am • 3 0 • view
and you think a letter including some dates on it wouldn't help with that? am i in reverse land today
sep 2, 2025, 9:23 am • 7 0 • view
Why have time limit on visas indeed. Does *not* make any sense.
sep 2, 2025, 9:24 am • 3 0 • view
different argument but you might be right.
sep 2, 2025, 9:24 am • 0 0 • view
So you are one of those "rules are rules" guy who is just thoughtlessly deferential to whatever the government says Okay that's a position, not a tenable one but it is one
sep 2, 2025, 9:26 am • 2 0 • view
No i’m not. I’m just commenting on the initial post. If it was about the inequalities and injustices within our system i would have posted on that. But it wasn’t.
sep 2, 2025, 9:29 am • 0 0 • view
Has it occurred to you that you might be arguing the toss with people well versed in the vagaries – if not outright insanity – of the half-arsed systems put in place by the HO?
sep 2, 2025, 9:34 am • 2 0 • view
Yes. and they have my sympathy. I just don’t see the issue in people being warned that if they overstay they will be asked to leave. Isn’t it just a statement of the bleeding obvious
sep 2, 2025, 9:36 am • 0 0 • view
Keep digging, mate.
sep 2, 2025, 9:40 am • 2 0 • view
well isn’t it?
sep 2, 2025, 9:41 am • 0 0 • view
no, you seem to have a huge issue with basic and useful information being included on renewal documentation. apparently ukvi has "better things to do". do you get mad when your council tax letters have dates on them? your bills? every other form of correspondence you interact with?
sep 2, 2025, 9:42 am • 4 0 • view
Fair enough.
sep 2, 2025, 9:49 am • 0 0 • view
good morning
sep 2, 2025, 9:15 am • 2 0 • view
"This is all straightforward" the kind of thing people who have never personally engaged with an immigration process say.
sep 2, 2025, 9:16 am • 10 0 • view
don’t think i said that either
sep 2, 2025, 9:18 am • 0 0 • view
Clearly implied with “I’m pretty sure there is a process …”. Maybe sit this one out.
sep 2, 2025, 10:21 am • 0 0 • view
maybe avoid putting words into other people’s mouths? It certainly wasn’t implied at all
sep 2, 2025, 10:25 am • 0 0 • view
I'm sure everyone can read the exchange and form their own opinions.
sep 2, 2025, 10:34 am • 5 0 • view
or just read the words as they are written without putting their own agendas on them?
sep 2, 2025, 10:52 am • 0 0 • view
... what do you think "everyone can read the exchange" means?
sep 2, 2025, 11:33 am • 2 0 • view
Ah yes, government famously only does one thing at a time
sep 2, 2025, 9:25 am • 2 0 • view