Vance is an educated idiot.

So Doni fancies himself "a negotiator." Now every word out of JD Vance's mouth has to be about how history is TOTES about "negotiation." As @pattonoswalt.bsky.social points out, the Bomb was an irrelevancy...it was the Negotiation! The inventions of the wheel, iron, steel, the computer--irrelevant!

Judging by how the GOP has been handling trade/tariff talks with Cdns, UK, EU, and everyone else in the "Free World," this appears to be the only contribution they want to see from those they "negotiate" with.

How good it is when idiots choose an idiot to rule them. World War II ended with the capitulation of Germany, then Japan. The negotiations were conducted between the victorious countries.

Hey Vance! So what did Hitler negotiate? Which end of the bunker he'd blow his brains out in?

He is so stupid.

War is the continuation of negotiation by other means...

Just like the Empire negotiated with those Rebels.

File under: "no such thing as #genocide". Also a dude wearing make-up. Just sayin'. #NotADragQueen

See him at The Hague for negotiations.

A world-changing negotiation, and then another world-changing negotiation two days later.

Well he only likes negotiating with couches, no way he can get anywhere with Putin.

Authoritarians never relinquish power willingly. There will be violence.

"Now I am become Diplomat, negotiator of wars"

The only opinion I would trust from this fascist is which couch material has the best glide.

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Mr Vance, we have the Aztec Empire on line 1 The Inca Empire on Line 2 The Union Army on line 3 The North Vietnamese on line 4 The Romans on line 5 The Normans of line 6....

I enjoy reading about the Negotiation of Stalingrad, although the Negotiation of Dunkirk ranks right up there.

God, this guy's a moron. I hope he understand the Nuremberg Trials for after all this is done.

My favorite scene was when Oppenheimer said “Now I am become Peace, the negotiator of worlds."

We built Oak Ridge, TN to destroy fascists like this. How to negotiate with a fascist: lethality.

Duh. That’s why we gave away Poland and Belgium to greater Germany in order to end WW2.

He’s slowly shading himself orange.

Fat Negotiator and Little Persuader

Du denkst, Hitler war ein Meister der Verhandlungen, oder? Aber vielleicht war er einfach nur ein Experte für ultimative Lösungen.

I loved the movie DOWNFALL where the extensive peace negotiations going on in the Fuhrerbunker were vividly portrayed.

Amazing she says nothing, because the msm aren't actually journalists, just tv show hosts, emphatically ignorant and unqualified to do these

What would the USA know about winning a war without outside help. Every “win” was part of a coalition. Alone all they do is talk a good game. Loss column, American-Algerian War, War of 1812, Red Cloud's War, Formosa Expedition, Vietnam, Bay of Bigs Invasion, Afghanistan.

They don't have 3 functioning brain cells in the entire administration...

They still tell the stories of those negotiations here in Germany. Hitler confered with a bullet, while Goebbels and Göring both had fruitful discussions with potassium cyanide.

#StupidAtWork

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I love when Sherman negotiated with Atlanta in the 1800s

Also when Hitler negotiated with the end of his pistol

I remember reading about the top American negotiator, Enola Gay.

Hey JD, why do they need to negotiate a compromise when THEY WERE INVADED? Go fuck a couch you dweeb.

And too many Americans only know Civil War history from "Gone With the Wind."

He really is an ignorant Gen X’r who didnt learn a thing in history class.

True. Look at Korea!! And Hitler, negotiated his suicide. The Japanese negotiated Hiroshima. James Donald Bowman negotiated into history expert “JD Vance”

General MacArthur accepting Emperor Hirohito's negotiation on the deck of the Battleship Missouri.

Vance is that jackass a lot of us met in college who was 19, read Ayn Rand and the cliff notes of Sun Tao and talked a lot about being a "realist" in his sophomore poli sci seminar.

Going now to Mussolini to find out how his late April 1945 negotiations turned out.

Perhaps JD should go back and take history over again, or maybe he skipped it the first time due to “bone spurs”🌟

He's some kind of off-brand muppet. All felt and googly eyes, but without the nuance and educational background to actually have anything of value to say.

They're idiots who actually believe the crap that couch-f#%ker regurgitates.

So I’m trying to remember if Hitler killed himself in his bunker as a result of negotiations with the Allies. And maybe the Nuremberg trials were a sort of negotiation?! Thanks for enlightening us, metrosexual Mascara Man!

The Battle of the Bulge when negotiators argued over the calorific content of the Hors d’Oeuvres at the peace summit.

It was the bomb of a negotiation as I remember!

You want the War on Ukraine to end with nuclear bombs dropped on cities, rather than negotiations? What the hell are you saying here?

He's saying that any fool knows that World War 2 famously ended because of two atomic bombs, and not negotiation. JD Vance is an utter imbecile.

Of course YOU'D think every problem can be solved with killing.

He really wants Putin to have Ukrainian land!

Two nuclear negotiations actually

That was funny.

Yes, I'm sure the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki really appreciated that negotiation. 😡

Well thank God Kristen held his feet to the fire about it.

I mean, the third act was sort of negotiation-y

Hitler negotiated with the pistol in his bunker before the US negotiated the fuck outta Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

There was that *one* negotiation that worked. youtu.be/9TyxxLHfBwE

How ignant IS JD? Or is HeeJust Propagating anti-everybody but them stopid white hoes 'Cause anybody believe the horse shit gonna believe blue state got more murders or immigrants More likely to do illegal stuff-@jdvancevpotus.bsky.social go ahead f-k that couch buddy more believe it than U

Everything I look at this face all I can think I'd goof, goof, goof

WWII has no such negotiation. Unless he’s talking about Yalta.

Only positive to this is that ignorant idiots now have a hope of becoming President.

A walking advertisement against Yale Law School. "We produce mush brains who know debate tactics." Thanks, I think I'll roll the dice with Princeton Law instead.

I am constantly explaining that getting a law degree does not REQUIRE intelligent logical thought. Memorization, reading/skimming, dogged persistence, and a certain amount of fawning are often sufficient.

Waterloo, massive negotiation.

The negotiation

Glad they never used it to force Japan to surrender.

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I think the last wars the US have been in have needed up with soldiers sprinting for the last plane out of there! dropping equipment and leaving local helpers to fend for themselves. But, yeah, negotiation is how America has always ended the war they started

THESE GUYS ARE TRULY IDIOTS

Truman's negotiation: Unconditional surrender or the third one hits Tokyo. Worked pretty well. 😏

I still remember the loooong negotiation at the end of the war, because every proposal to mussolini had to be run up a lamppost, and hitler never said a word, just sat in the corner looking asleep🙄

technically correct

I believe the negotiations w Germany and Japan began and ended with "unconditional surrender"

Hey, remember when Mussolini had that heart to heart with his subjects and agreed to be be executed and hung up by his feet? Negotiation.

The firebombing of Tokyo was just a suggestion that the Japanese rewrite their proposal.

Well, to be fair, after the bombs there were surrender negotiations with the Japanese

Excuse me there were TWO negotiations

Trying to surpass Trump's idiocy?

I like the Mongol style of negotiation. " Give us your city or we will kill every last one of you."

I seem to remember Hitler negotiating a bullet into his own head.

And killing his family along with him. Some negotiation.

Same with Goebbels, if I remember correctly.

Great to have a Vice President with an in depth knowledge and understanding of history - along with his numerous other talents...

You know JD stands for Justa Dumbass, right?

‘Buffoon’ pretty much defines JD Vance.

Wrapped up nicely with Al doing the tongue meme.

He’s quite possibly the stupidest person to be vice president

He's pretty stupid.

I love all the past video of JD talking about how absolutely horrible Trump is and what he’d do to the American middle class.

🤣🤣 My gf worked on the treaty tem in Japan after the war. Negotiations? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Good little lickspittle, JD.

To be fair, JD only has that job because he's a spineless nitwit with a talent for empty blather who's willing to say whatever he's been told to say.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tyx...

“Where did he learn to negotiate like that?” “I wonder…”

Yep, I thought of it, too!

If FDR were alive today, he’d release the Epstein files!

Mr President, we can not allow… a negotiation gap.

Thank you. This is the correct response

Negotiators hiding inside the Trojan horse.

Took years to come up with the right words.

Like a nuclear bomb?

Or as Anakin Skywalker would have called them, "aggressive negotiations"...and he turned out FINE.

Diplomacy

Patton, I 🤣 but also to Vance’s dumbass 😒🤬

Negotiations!

The negotiations dropped on Japan were especially useful

Yes, the Red Army was famous for their negotiation tactics when they arrived in Berlin.

“We’ve killed four million of you — would you like to talk about ending this unpleasantness at a time and place of your choosing? Please have your people contact our people.”

He’s such an idiotic cultist lying piece of human excrement.

Wars are indeed ended through negotiation. But he's missing a key step. All parties need to reach a point at which they'd rather negotiate than carry on fighting. Surrender = One side only is forced to negotiate. End of War = Both sides want to negotiate. Legitimising Putin = surrender

another pathetic demonstration of this idiocratie ... JD is completly dumb, ignorant and stupid.

JD's idea of negotiation is a surrender. The man doesn't know history, much less military history. He knows how to do makeup better than his boss though.

This is why the Kerch bridge needs to go.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=snRv...

This dingus apparently missed the history class where "unconditional surrender" was covered.

TBF "Cease your military operations or we'll fucking glass your entire country" *could* be considered negotiation.

Imagining your intelligent is half the battle, J.D., but there's more to it.

Ouch

Yeah, caught my own typo after replying. Kinda ruins the effect! Filing that in the memory hole....

Been there, m'friend. =)

5th element style www.youtube.com/watch?v=06pi...

Georgy Zhukov was renowned for his negotiation skills

What a moron you mean Hitler and his minions killing themselves in or near the bunker at the end of World war II was a negotiation? Please tell me how!

Vance is not a person. He is a fabrication. He has no knowledge. His statements are meaningless gibberish picked out of the ether.

Now I want to see that new Nuremberg movie with Russell Crowe, so I can call Vance and his cronies idiots from across the theater!

Negotiations were after WW2, when the agressors surrendered, to sanction, and begin to prepare the way forward. Did he finish school?

My favorite is Ken Burn's Civil War. Remember when Abraham Lincoln, the OG Republican let Jefferson Davis keep the Confederacy in exchange for security guarantees?

@kristenwelker.bsky.social‬ seems to believe the spin. Zero follow up questions. Just bathe in the shit that's flying out of his mouth.

Too stupid to realize that "Unconditional Surrender" is not negotiation. And it's coming for him.

Fat Man and Little Boy were the best negotiators in the business

For a second there I thought there were nicknames for Trump & Vance that I’d missed.

It’s true if you count “what do we have to give you for you to stop flattening us” as a negotiation

I don’t know that I would, personally

Especially when the answer is "everything"

McCain's granddad is pictured on the deck of the Missouri during the signing ceremony. Another reason to hate what that clown became.

*we bomb Hiroshima* *we bomb Nagasaki* Japan surrenders. I guess the terms of surrender got negotiated... 🙄 The GOP is so good at washing history. Just see the Simthsonian shit.

Which is also slightly simplistic as it ignores the fact that japans army was being massacred by the Russians at the time as well

And Tokyo was getting Firebombed regularly, and they were on the cusp of a ground invasion. I only got so many characters to make my glib comments with.

Fair….sorry I didn’t mean to come across harshly 👍

Yeah, same in Germany, the negotiations were killer.

Sometimes all it takes is a BIG BOMB

Can he be as ignorant as he sounds? Or are his MAGA followers so stupid that they swallow every word?

The second one.

JD Vance is a LOT less smart than he thinks he is. But he is consciously trying to flatter Dear Leader (who believes himself to be The Greatest Negotiator--meaning that EVERYTHING in human history now has to be about Negotiation.)

Or both.

Stupid on stupid

And all it took to push Pol Pot into the jungle was a little quid pro quo.

He should stick to lubing Satan’s asshole.

It also helps when, during the negotiation, one person doesn’t breeze in, slap the shit out of the other person, pose over the other person for a photo, and breeze back out again.

I mean... I'm not all that keen on this regime going the Oppenheimer route.

When JD Vance lies they are at a special level of gamesmanship. He's well educated. He has a facile command of language and of operating concepts, some cultural background and exposure to foreign cultural traditions. He has no solid "place" to come from so he lacks endophobia. He's a chameleon.

yeah it was da bomb

just SMH

...sure, everyone remembers the famous "Nagasaki Negotiations."

Actually WWII started with bad faith negotiations. Ask Neville Chamberlain how that worked out for him.

I am become death the negotiator of worlds

I choose the French Revolution negotiation then.

I'm ready!

Yes, unconditional surrender was negotiated, haven’t you been charter schooled yet? Don’t get my started about the war of northern aggression…..

The end of WWII, according to J.D. Vance.

Both World Wars ended after one side was so thoroughly defeated that all they could do was surrender and the 'negotiations' were more about what the losing side had to do to clear up the war aftermath. Not a third side getting into two parties warring trying to get something out of it for themselves

What’s your favorite vietnam negotiation movie? images.newrepublic.com/bbf493cf72fd...

Remember when Churchill famously said “We shall negotiate for our island whatever the cost may be; we shall negotiate on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills”?

Yeah, the policy of demanding the unconditional surrender of the Axis was just a negotiating tactic.

World War II, ended with the unconditional surrender of Germany and Japan—there was no negotiated peace with those governments, only dictated terms after defeat. Vance’s claim glosses over wars that ended through force, surrender, or collapse, not genuine negotiation.

....and the GOP thinks, this is our next president.

He’s a dangerous moron.

WWII ended with a negotiation?

We tried to negotiate them Japs back to the Stone Age, yeehaw!

Exactly!

This is how to negotiate the end to a war:

The PBS show "The Bomb" is a good review worth a watch.

I loved the moment when he said his infamous quote, ‘I have become death, destroyer of war and various military engagements.’

The bomb had nothing to do with ending WWII. All the top brass were against it - Eisenhower, Stimson, Leahy, MacArthur, LeMay, all of them.

I wonder how he thinks the U.S. Civil war ended.

The ultimate dullard.

Yeah, that last negotiating tactic, with the Japanese, went out with a bang. Oh J.D., where did you go wrong?

Well, to be fair, the entire industrialized world pointing nukes at each other and daring someone to shoot first has proven remarkably effective in stopping World War 3, minus some close calls due to the cold war between America and Russia. 😑

I don't see pressing need to be fair considering they started proxy wars everywhere else.

Um, you're wanting to talk about proxy wars? The one in Syria was started by America. The one we just tried and are still hinting at with Iran is being started by America. Our record in the Middle East ain't looking great.

Yeah, that's my point. The industrial world didn't become more peaceful, it just started wars in countries that couldn't launch nukes at them.

The industrial world became much more peaceful. The third world, on the other hand, is still the chess pieces of power-hungry nations. The more things change, the more they stay the same. 😑

All of those were ended with the signing of an unconditional surrender. Some negotiation.

Even Troy only accepted the big wooden horse as part of a negotiated settlement, oh wait…

Bruh

Who can forget that fateful day when the Red Army negotiated with Hitler over drinks and ended world war 2 with a dance off.

The origin story of Eurovision!

The world will finally appreciate your genius after you’re gone.

Dont you have a vacation to go on or something?

Such an uninformed asshat

So JD never studied WW2 history-and that means he has no clue about the Potsdam Declaration-right?

Nothingburger.

Vance is good at talking fast and saying very little.

Without ever letting that smug look leave his face.

This statement is perhaps the height of stupidity!

Agreed. This is another wonderful film, about how the end of European hostilities were negotiated.

The Italian citizens negotiated with Mussolini to remove him from power in a way.

I thought Vance was supposed to be intelligent?

Was he? Since when?

I loved the movie DOWNFALL where Hitler recognized the need to negotiate

“We must stop this senseless killing and find a way forward to save what’s left out our people.” Or something.

His finger negotiated the use of a trigger very well.

The book is a really good read too.

Is he really that ignorant or does he just play one on TV?

This administration is truly embracing their new found power to rewrite history. I’m guessing that school children will soon be learning about George Washington winning decisive battles for the nation’s airports?

Dear god, he’s such a neck beard ning-nong. What makes him worse, is that he has this surface patina of normalcy, & unlike Donald, he can form a coherent (if still stupid) sentence — but even BARELY scratch the surface, and all the weirdness & rank ugliness is right there in your face.

I suspect that when someone really knocks him off that carefully constructed, deeply fragile pedestal he’s made for himself, the implosion, and following meltdown is going to be quite something.

Japan and NAZIs negotiated unconditional surrenders

I thought he was the smart one?

THE BIG BANG!