The trouble with this argument, tho, is that when trans rights got to be a thing, nobody cared that they took rights away from women. (No debate, right?) So, nobody cared about women’s rights then, nobody cares now. ‘Ok, we got rid of women’s rights, but let’s not even mention that. Right on!’
(It’s not particularly, necessarily a left/right debate - I have never been right-wing, but am a woman)
The idea that trans rights take away rights from women is absolutely a right-wing one. Just like the idea that gay rights take away straight people's rights to not have to interact with icky gay people, or black people's rights take away white people's rights to superiority over them.
No. When transwomen enter women’s single-sex spaces, whether prisons, shelters, sport, or changing-rooms, women lose their rights, also safeguarding. This is UNLIKE gay rights, etc. You’ve bought into this canard - it’s all part of ‘no debate’, aka ‘shut up women’.
Women belong in women's spaces. The only way you can argue otherwise is if you don't actually believe trans women are women, and at that point you're a transphobe. And statistically, trans women are much, *much* more likely to be a victim of things like domestic violence than the perpetrator.
So the safeguarding argument is also moot unless you believe trans women are uniquely dangerous to cis women.
Not at all. Once acceptable for any males to enter female single sex spaces, you reduce the ability to challenge. (Not to mention that quite a few men charged with rape, then decide they’re trans, get to serve their sentence in a women’s prison. Win/win for them, lose/lose for women) Gatekeeping???
If a woman is trans, then she's not male. The idea that predatory men are walking around in women's clothing for the opportunity to assault someone is an anti-trans stereotype. Do you think the female sign on a door is magically going to stop someone when a law doesn't?
That women’s safety, women’s rights are irrelevant, ignored in pro-trans arguments is one of the things that distinguishes the trans rights campaign from previous gay rights, anti-racism campaigns
Irrelevant, ignored and dismissed
I think it's convenient for you to imagine that the campaign for trans rights is different than the one for gay rights. Except that one of the key points anti-gay rights activists made was that putting them in with straight people, in places like changing rooms...
...was dangerous because they would be attracted to the people in there, and they would prey on them. It's literally the same bigoted point reheated for a different minority. Also, most prisons in the UK have a separate wing for people convicted of sexual crimes.
There are women currently in Scottish prisons sharing shower blocks with biological males. That you don’t think this matters shows, very clearly, your priorities. Which is why the trans rights campaign can be described as a Men’s Rights Campaign. Name-calling is no argument - shows you lack one.
If anyone is being raped at a higher rate in prisons, it's trans people. "Corrective rape" (uh) is a terrifying reality for trans women, especially. We don't have separate women's spaces for no reason - it's because there are countless scientific studies showing that it's dangerous if they don't.